do you agree with it's metaphorical meaning?
No. Its just a negatively loaded word attached to make feminists seam bad by association.
okay thank you. It's refreshing to meet people who don't bash feminism at every turn
Well for one thing I am a feminist so maybe that helps?
I just followed you
Why, thank you!
No, thank YOU :)
i have to disagree that feminists created a bad image of feminism. It's people who smear feminism and spread falsehoods and misconceptions about it like Rush Limbaugh and Milo Yiannopoulos.
do you identify as an intersectional feminist?
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I'm a feminist with a guy who disagrees with me about me identifying as a feminist and it's no issue...also what do you mean by feminism tips the scales too far the other way? feminism is an ideology that many individuals take part in, individuals with different beliefs, different personalities, differences in how they treat men, need I go on? Many feminists disagree with other feminists. There's different schools of feminism that contradicts each other. Marxist feminism which believes capitalism causes the oppression of women. Eco-feminism that intertwines the destruction of the earth with oppression of women (too hippy for me personally and I don't see the point of it). I'm against trans-exclusionary feminists. I disagree with feminists like Christina Hoff Sommers who believes that sexism has NOTHING to do with the gender pay gap.And I and many other feminists don't demonize men. To me it has nothing to do with whether you're a man or a woman. It's about whether or not you're on the right side of history. Phyllis Schlafly is a woman and played the biggest role in preventing the ERA from becoming part of the U. S constitution while plenty of men are all in favor of the ERA becoming part of the U. S constitution.You say you've met feminists who've belittled you. I think everyone must be treated with respect and you don't deserve to be belittled. I'm not going to apologize on behalf of those feminists though. I only apologize when I myself has done something wrong
Feminism like everything else has its radicals. And I understand that. My interactions with feminists who proclaim that they are have overall negative. So naturally it is a red flag for me to associate with a lot of feminists as it's not only me they have treated poorly, men in my community have been treated poorly, used, and abused by so-called feminists. If 90-95% of the interactions you have with feminists around you are negative, then there is a trend in that movement that's not right. Now, I don't believe that all feminists are truly like that. If I did, then my argument that Muslims not being all radical would not be accurate, nor would any of my other defense of other groups be valid. It would make me a hypocrite, and I despise being a hypocrite! However, I can say that the encounters I've had, and my community is full of women who are feminists (probably over 150+ women, I run into, or have talked too or have overheard). And like I said out of all that, everything I hear is men ain't shit, dumb fuckers this, etc... and that's a black eye on the movement.No one is asking you to apologize anyway. Your apologies would be worthless frankly because I don't know anything about you. Nor do I know who you are. And you haven't disrespected me. Nor do I ask for those feminists who have been disgusting in person to apologize. I'm just glad I see who they truly are. So I know what i need to avoid.
Can you tell me one society or civilization that was destroyed by feminism?
Rome is one and there are others.
is feminism really responsible for the downfall of Rome? How so?
It is all in the history books. Just research it. The commanders said "all of my soldiers are feminine" and just simply lost the will to fight. Men were forced to marry and most of the talent fled to the hordes as similar to all the expats that are talented today. Too much to write, just search and read.
Well frankly you're the one who wants to convince me Rome fell because of feminism. It's up to you to establish causation since you're making the assertion. Why should I do your research?
That is the typical response from a female that a man is guilty of rape on her word and it is his job to be proven innocent even though the facts are at fingers reach. I guess the men are the only ones that have to take responsibility for what the claim.
wtf? ... this escalated quickly lol
That is what you seek, a fight. That is your indoctrinated combatant feminist nature.
I just asked you to to establish a direct causation between feminism and the fall of Rome. How is that combative?
I did in summary, but the details are an exercise for the student. It is combatant in that you want to argue in circles on this with the intent to believe you won and feel good about your feminism while the history states other wise. So stick you head in the sand, feel good, and this is it. You win okay? Feel good ().
Okay, you admitted that I win? I would agree since you're summary simply doesn't establish that feminism caused the fall of Rome, took a weird turn by bring up rape accusations and then throw a temper tantrum just because I pointed out that you're summary doesn't establish causation.
I'm a modern feminist, I explore feminist ideas and I actively work to understand feminism. And no, It's about man hating or playing the victim for no real reason. I don't hate men and I'm not an exception.
Well you certainly seem like an exception, I've yet to meet a normal person being a modern feminist. They tend to be overly dramatic and enjoy making a scene to get their points across
you've been watching feminist cringe compilations haven't you? there are just as many videos showing a feminist calm as ever making good arguments.
Nah I’ve experienced too many irl aswell, I don’t build a negative view on a big lifestyle easily. But modern feminism only had negative aspects to me.
and where to you get those aspects from? what formed that view?
u know in the uk, 2014, they introduced a ban on certain types of porn that couldn't be produced and sold. female ejaculation was banned but of course male ejaculation wasn't.
Who is they?
The British Board of Film Classification
You honestly have no real argument. Everything you're saying is pure unreliable hyperbole
What do you mean?Cancer isn't contagious, it's a fact.Cancer also doesn't force it's host to act irrationally. That's also a fact.Or you're denying it?
"It's offensive to cancer to compare it to feminism" is pretty hyperbolic and if you can't see that, you are choosing to be stupid
I don't see any "hyperbolic" about it. Feminism and cancer are 2 separate entities that you're comparing in your question. I've explained as to why cancer is lesser evil with 2 undeniable facts.Apologize to me for you being wrong and then apologize to cancer for comparing it to feminism.
... apologize to the world for existing 🖕
can't wait to not hear it *blocked*
Instant block. The typical move of those who can't defend their own ideas and thoughts. But here only for you some big-name feminists of the past few centuries and what they had to say:“I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honourable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.” ~Robin Morgan“I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.” ~Andrea Dworkin“Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear” ~Susan Brownmiller“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” ~Sally Miller Gearhart"I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which a man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it.” ~Barbara Jordan“Compare victims’ reports of rape with women’s reports of sex. They look a lot alike….[T]he major distinction between intercourse (normal) and rape (abnormal) is that the normal happens so often that one cannot get anyone to see anything wrong with it.” ~Catherine MacKinnon"As far as I’m concerned, men are the product of a damanged gene." ~Germaine Greer
“The nuclear family must be destroyed, and people must find better ways of living together…. Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process…. No woman should have to deny herself any opportunities because of her special responsibilities to her children… Families will be finally destroyed only when a revolutionary social and economic organization permits people’s needs for love and security to be met in ways that do not impose divisions of labor, or any external roles, at all.”~Linda Gordon“Men’s sexuality is mean and violent, and men so powerful that they can ‘reach WITHIN women to fuck/construct us from the inside out.’ Satan-like, men possess women, making their wicked fantasies and desires women’s own. A woman who has sex with a man, therefore, does so against her will, ‘even if she does not feel forced.’~Judith LevineFeminism. Not even once. It is friggin cancer.
@Fakename12345 They make some good points 🖕 *blocked*by the way, i can disagree with other feminists and still be a feministhere's some context for Andrea Dworkin's quote which is from her book 'Mercy' www.reddit.com/.../and I'm blocking people who sprout the same shit I've already heard and argued against before. Because. I. Can. So that when I post questions and polls concerning feminism in the future I have weeded out all the idiots.but thanks for the list of quotes. I'll be sure to check out the context and reasons why they said such things and if they've renounced those statements or not.
do you think that's a pretty irrational statement?
No. There was a point when feminism had its legitimacy here in the U. S. when women faught for equality and rights to vote and work and be treated equally in society which was achieved. Modern feminism now is all about trying to usurp authority over men, shaming and humiliating men and encouraging women to being disrespectful loud mouths and rebellious towards men.
Yes, women shouldn't be disrespectful loudmouths and rebellious towards men. It doesn't help our cause. But it's okay when men do it though. It actually helps them when they have bad temperament. www.huffingtonpost.com.au/.../people-reward-angry-men-but-punish-angry-women-study-suggests_n_561fb57be4b050c6c4a47743By the way there are feminist goals that women fought to achieve in second wave feminism that haven't been achieved yet. Like the ERA becoming part of the U. S constitution."Modern feminism now is all about *this and that*" I really don't like it when people generalize an ideology on the basis of how they feel about it especially without offering any citation. I don't say "egalitarianism is all about men who believe in women's rights but are too scared of what the trolls will do if they call themselves feminists" even though it's a small reoccurring feeling I have about egalitarian men. I'd thank you not to do the same
I don't support men treating women with disrespect neither. Let's be real women in the West are doing great career wise, financially etc and feminism isn't needed anymore in the West, so I don't why you even mentioned feminism still has lots to achieve at least not here in the West. Women rights should be a strong focus in the Middle East where women are treated like second class citizens and abused by evil men on a daily.
There's evidence to suggest otherwise to what you claimed about women doing great career wise and financially. Women are twice as likely to end up in poverty. And everyone, men and women, in female dominated industries get lower wages while everyone in male dominated industries receive higher wages. www.nytimes.com/.../...ed-field-the-pay-drops.html Janitors (mostly male) earn more than maids and housekeepers. People in managerial roles in the IT industry (male dominated) earn more money than people in managerial roles in a female dominated industry. They perform the same work in the same role but are paid lessAnd I just said the Equal Rights Amendment is not part of the U. S constitution. It it not unconstitutional to disadvantage someone on the basis of sex. The 14th amendment has been used to support anti-discrimination laws but not every legal expert agrees that it should be interpreted in that way, to prohibit discrimination on the basis of gender.And even in a perfect world of gender equality, it doesn't mean that things will stay that way. Women went back to traditional female roles after the Iranian revelation. There was a small period of time where women had the right to vote in America in a single state but then it was overturned. This happened sometime before the 1900s.And feminism is an ideology. It describes a belief a system and your belief system is not abandoned once you achieve a goal inspired by your belief system.I'll also point out that just like in the west where it's a bad thing to be a feminist, it's also considered a bad thing to be a feminist in Africa www.ted.com/.../chimamanda_ngozi_adichie_we_should_all_be_feminists . Africa is a place that non feminists have said to me needs feminism while bashing feminism in the west.
#1: Women are twice as likely to end up in poverty probably because they are single moms and poorly educated. #2: Janitors obviously will make more than a housekeeper since Janitors do more than just pick up trash and clean, they do some mechanical work as well.
It's interesting that you gave MHO to three of GAG's most notorious feminists, despite the fact that 74% of respondents in your poll agreed that feminism is indeed cancer, and without the votes of those 3 feminist fruitcakes the percentage agreeing that feminism is cancer would have been more than 82%. It's clear that an overwhelming majority of people today recognize feminism for the insidious disease it is.
feminism has been subjected to a lot of smears and falsehoods, some of which you continue to spread with vague claims of bad feminists with no names. I can name a specific smearer, Rush Limbaugh, for coining the term "feminazi" and defining it as a feminist who's goal it is to make sure as many abortions happen as possible and saying that susan sarandon is one. Is he correct and totally rational just because he is against feminism?
"... they're also psychology and sociology professors"And that ^ somehow makes them unbiased experts on the subject? LMAO. Come on, you do realize academia today is a cesspool of feminism, right?I'm not here to argue with a feminist like you. I won't waste my time on that. Like most men, I know from firsthand experience what feminists are and how the feel about men. You might as well be trying to argue that the earth is flat. Most people know better because they live in the real world.Now, get back to your academic dreamland and leave reality to the rest of us who have to actually live in it.
Since you were cowardly enough to block me on your other question, I posted my response here.
Feminism has earned every one of the "smears", by the way.
That's not true. The Men and The Boys, Masculinities are books that are popular in feminist scholarship.www.amazon.com/.../ref=sr_1_1www.amazon.com/.../ref=sr_1_1
Didn't address anything I said...
To women having equal rights, I say that the equal rights amendment has not become part of the U. S constitution so women aren't guaranteed equal rights to men. Feminism doesn't pretend that men have everything. Feminists want men to acknowledge that men don't deal with some shitty things that women have to deal with. uniquely or disproportionately. These books I brought up are popular in feminist scholarships and discuss men's issues and are backed up with empirical evidence. I'm guessing you've met or heard of a feminist who rubbed you the wrong way. I don't really care for ordinary people are call themselves a feminist after reads a few articles and statistics. I like academia I like people who are well informed and who study and research their asses off. If you're interested in men's issues then I recommend you read the overview of those books I gave links to
Thank you for elaborating
Today lolMost countries treat women like property Stupid blue anon
This is obviously in the frame of the United StatesStupid troll
It is necessary in the west. Very much so. Why do you say that it's not?
Because in parts of asia and the middle east things we take for granted are just pipe dreams to them it gets a bit messy and you won't see it on the news but liveleaks brings it into the open. We just dont have those same issues.
You mean like child brides? 167 000 children under the age of 17, as young as 12, became legally wedded between 2000-2010 in America. Every single state in America allows it with parental consent and the consent of the judges. Women who became wives before they turned 18 are 3 times as likely to experience beatings from their husbands and 31% more likely to end up in poverty.So the west is still pretty fucked up actuallyPlus in 35 states, it's totally legal to force female prisoners to give birth to their children while shackled to the hospital bed, compromising their bodies while they're trying to give birth. Not only is it legal, it actually happens. Feminists will argue that because the design of the criminal justice and prison system has been based on men, it overlooks the needs of women and will work to change that. And even if America is perfect, things can change. Women in Iran were enjoying some western values including equality with men and it went backwards after the Iranian revolution. Laws can be brought in to make sex discrimination illegal, those laws can not only just be broken, but overturned. Policies change depending on who is in charge. So feminism and feminist goals are still very relevant in the West
Feminists have achieved very positive goals throughout history and there are goals they are still trying to achieve to this day, goals they been trying to achieve for decades, like bringing the ERA into the U. S constitution.And I'm sure you have a study that supports your claim that feminism destroyed women's happiness. May I please see it?
oh yes. I have read this before. I'm a feminist in chat forums. it's not the first time I've had this thrown at meFeminism has been around longer than the 70s I must point out.This study doesn't not state "feminism is responsible for the decline in women's happiness". That is an incorrect conclusion. This study also proposes explanations including "Kahneman (1999) argues that people in good circumstances may be hedonically better off than people in worse circumstances, yet they may require more to declare themselves happy" and " women may now feel more comfortable being honest about their true happiness and have thus deflated their previously inflated responses."Also "women may now compare their lives to a broader group, including men, and find their lives more likely to come up short in this assessment". Why do women come up short? Well, if we think about men vs women in the work force, like STEM fields, this may be why gender.stanford.edu/.../why-does-john-get-stem-job-rather-jennifer . I will just summarize, gender biases negatively impacting women.
It's because women don't prefer to work in stem fields. And here's the cancer of feminism. You remove a woman's choice to do a job she wants to do by forcing them into stem fields where they're not happy.
As I said, they may not be happy because they experience sexism in STEM fields. The work itself may not be the cause of it at all. You're acting as if STEM fields are to women what water is to cats. As if women's biology is just naturally allergic to math and engineering and it's just ridiculous.Do you really believe women should stay in the home and have babies will their husbands go out and work? Do you really believe women will be happier that way?
They were happier that way apparently. And yes, I'm absolutely saying that women have a preference in the jobs they want to take. In the countries where there is the most freedom for women to choose their careers, there's the greatest disparity of gender gap in STEM fields.
That study points out that women who are stay at home moms in this day of age report the same level of happiness as women who are working so I'm sorry to tell you this but YOU CAN'T READ.And you're completely ignoring the study I present that found evidence of unconscious gender biases that negative impact women's experiences in STEM fields. It's ridiculous to blame women's unhappiness on them being simply being a woman when sexism is an explanation that makes far more sense for a woman's unhappiness
aka "It's ridiculous for women to accept responsibility for their own lives when they can blame men instead"And this is why feminism is cancer. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
That study shows that both men and women exhibit unconscious gender biases that negatively impact women. I never blamed men as a whole. You are strawmanning me. I've heard of situations where wonderful, respectable men stand up for women when they recognize that what is happening to them is pure sexism and they have my admiration. I wish them the best in their lives and if I knew them, I would stand up for them if I ever see them suffering from sexism.
Right. And unconscious bias is junk science.
lol it's actually not. you can't just throw out statements as if they're true just because you want them to be.
Actually it is. www.arkansasonline.com/.../
Same goes for David French, who is not a psychologist. He can't just say put out statements that aren't true just because he wants them to be
do you believe the metaphorical meaning?