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Because when there’s no food people will kill for it.
@Rissyanne... And they would not kill each other without guns as well as does capitalism magically create food like god on a boring day in the desert?
It creates jobs so we can buy food you idiot
@Rissyanne... And socialism does not?
Look at Venezuela
@Rissyanne Look at USA?
We aren’t socialist
@Rissyanne Well you said you were capitalist right? How is that working out for you? Oooooh riiight.. 40 million receive SNAP.en.wikipedia.org/.../Supplemental_Nutrition_Assistance_Program
Who do you think pays for it?
@Rissyanne The large capitalist corporations who does not pay any taxes or the rich individuals hiding their money in other countries to avoid paying taxes?
I wouldn’t be talking the middle class in your country pays 60% tax. Corporations create jobs
@Rissyanne Also are we just going to ignore the fact that without SNAP which is a socialist program there would be millions of people dying of hunger in USA? Talk about an Utopia right there.
@Soteris If you go plow a field, plant a crop, tend to it and harvest it. Should you be allowed to keep what your grew? Or should you be forced to hand it all over to a third party, who will take their cut, then decide how much you get to keep?
What if you do not own the field, tools and crops you used?
@Soteris If you go plow a field, plant a crop, tend to it and harvest it. Should you be allowed to keep what your grew?Or should you be forced to hand it all over to a third party, who will take their cut, then decide how much you get to keep?
That is much too simplified. Since you do not include such things as the government and hostile governments this example is unrealistic as if you are the only person in the world in which case you can obviously keep everything yourself. However you are not the only person in the world are you? You live in a society. Your house and farm is on land claimed by a country, which means its not truly yours now is it? You use roads that you do not own, build or maintain. You rely on money that someone else provides and protects the value of. The list goes on and on. All you are doing at the end is just providing the work itself for the production of food. The very reason you can do this is why you have to repay the government.
you’re not even an American
I own 45 acres and it’s mine.
@Rissyanne Oh? You own land now do you? You and what army?
Me my sister and brother inherited when my dad died.
@Rissyanne Did you inherit his army as well?
He didn’t have an army you dumb shit. It’s a farm. We are in the process of selling it now.
@Rissyanne Oh? Then how did you claim the land in the first place?
He purchased it years ago. Then he left it for us when he died. I have a deed with my name on it.
@Rissyanne Pfft! Who gives a fuck about a piece of paper? What stops someone from just coming over and throwing you out?
I would call the police you idiot
You act like you’ve never heard of anyone owning land before
@Rissyanne So tell me again who owns "your" land?
What’s wrong with you? Me my sister and brother
You are just stupid
In the next month we are selling so it will be someone else’s. You can’t be this stupid
@Rissyanne There is literally not a single person in the world that respects your ownership of that land, what they do respect is the police and US army. In other words its the government that owns your land and simply lets you use it because you have a silly little paper they gave you.
No it's 100% realistic. Do not confuse corruption with capitalism or socialism. Common man you can't be that dumb?
Corruption? What are you even talking about? Do you perhaps think taxes is stealing?
You are... insane. As usual. I have a deed with my name on it. And I have no trespassing signs on it. And if you come on my land I will blow your head off. But guess what you idiot? I’m selling it and getting a bundle for it. It sounds like you are just jealous
@Rissyanne You dont get it do you? Your claim of ownership is worthless if someone ignores it at which point it has to be enforced. You can't enforce it yourself against even private citizens much less other countries which is why you can't possibly actually own the land. Ownership and the ability to defend it goes hand in hand.The form of ownership you claim with that paper of yours is simply an agreement with the actual owner of the land for you to use. If they decide to annul your contract they will simply throw you back out like a landlord tossing out a tenant.Your understanding of ownership is truly childish.
Wow your stupidity stuns me. You don’t know how things work in the US. Your just jealous because you have nothing and will never have nothing
@Rissyanne You said it best yourself, "In the USA". You are operating under their laws and assurances but you have no agency on your own. What could you possibly do if the government simply decided to take back THEIR property from you?
You’re such an idiot. That’s not going to happen. Besides we are selling it.
@Rissyanne You really dont get it do you?
You don’t get it. And you never will. You are just jealous
Because an armed society is a free society. The right to defend you and yours discourages others from trying to take it from you. Socialism is the state taking what is yours then returning part to you. An armed populace is the hardest group to do that to.
Your argument that the US government is the force that holds the land falls short in the idea of a militia style population that will band together to defend our land is part and parcel to the United States Constitution. That's why America was so hard to invade and hold in World War II. That's also why the current rhetoric of disarmament is contrary to US law. Yes a foreign government could invade and nullify any deed by force of arms if they could overcome the populace. The United States is not, ultimately, a centalized government it is a population of individuals who use a representative set of lawmakers to represent the whole. When you speak of the government and the police you are thinking as a foreigner in America we see these forces as employees of the people to defend and protect us. It is clear in both US law and custom that we as the whole are the driving force, and thr overlords of every aspect of our laws. Hence why firearm discussion seems so clear cut to those outside but is so complicated inside the US borders. In the US you have the legal right to defend your property against anyone who would take it from you without legal action that includes police, military or government foreign or domestic.
@Anpu23 The basic understanding that you need is that what you own is directly proportional to what you can defend. In other words if you want to truly own something you need a way to stand up to every country and its military just like they have to defend their own lands. That is ownership.The thing with contracts and such you are used to is different since no one actually believes that you own that plot of land. If for example another country declares war on your country and conquers your plot of land they do not also send you personally a declaration of war since you are a nobody and the ones who actually own your land is your nation.As for the whole "An armed populace is a free populace" thats complete bullshit. No one can demonstrate how guns would protect your country from modern threats such as your own American military. Warfare has moved on from a numbers game of how many hands with guns you have. Also the reason USA was so hard to invade during ww2 is because there is no one who can actually naval invade across the sea against a powerful foe. D day was the hardest and most complicated military offensive in the history of the world and that was just across the small English channel. Doing the same thing but over the Atlantic for example is impossible even with todays technology which is partially why USA has put up military bases all over the world to secure a landing site in case of war since otherwise USA would be utterly fucking useless as an ally.
@Anpu23 this guy is insane. He’s not even American yet he’s obsessed with Americans. He hates the freedoms we have and is jealous over the land I own.
@Rissyanne onphilosophy.wordpress.com/.../Have some reading material.
Again, you are a foreigner so I understand your confusion. The US is a collective not a single entity. And Japan did indeed invade the US specifically Alaska. Amd our government speaks for the people a declaration of war would not be sent to me, not because I am a nobody, but because I am one of many, and sending that decloration to every citizen of the United States would be tedius therefore not practical. As for an armed population holding off a modern military it is both possible and the ultimate threat. There is a reason why Switzerland was never invaded during both world wars. The Irish Republican Army is a good example of a small militia that defeated a government force as is the Warsaw slum uprising. Further the US also has state level standing army's with stock piles of military style weapons that are available to the state level government and one of the reasons is a check against federal government excess. With the individual states checked against by the armed citizen. When the US was formed it was with the idea that a strong militia was the strongest defence and we seriously considered to not build a standing army.
So back to your statement of not receiving a decloration of war, I have an employee that takes care of that... The United States Government. The sovereign who originally held this land was the British Crown we as a collective took that land by force of arms and continue to hold this country as a sovereign collective. The concept of a sovereign citizen is recognized by US custom and law and the ultimate power is the populace of the whole. Recently there was an issue involving foreign affairs that demonstrates this concept the individual state of Texas overruled a federal treaty prompting a concern internationaly that treaty's must be negotiated on a state level rather than a federal. Because the State is higher in our structure then the federal government, just as the city has precedence over the state, and the individual over the city. Therefore the individual is the highest level of government not the federal government. This was both intentional and deliberate in the structuring of the contry
@Anpu23 *sigh* So you really think you are above the government of USA? Grow up. Also none of the things regarding armed populace you said is true. For instance the reason Switzerland was spared from WW2 is partially because it mobilized its armies early, partially because of how unimportant it was and partially because of how helpful it was.As an example, Norway got invaded by both the British and the Germans because of how important its resources were to the Germans. It had strategic importance which Switzerland simply did not have. If anything it served as a wall that the Germans and Italians could use to limit their front lines while defending.As for the Warsaw slum uprising.. it did what exactly? The broken German forces fleeing from the Soviets forces easily crushed the Polish resistance with civilian casualties numbering between 150 000 to 200 000 people. Again this was done by a German army that was in full retreat and heavily depleted.As for the IRA its basically just a terrorist organization with no real hope of achieving its aims. There are no good examples of an armed populace actually resisting a foreign invader successfully.
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