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I'm not from a CANZUK country - show me the results
I like the idea however I am under no illusion that it would work. Canada is half French and Australia/New Zealand is half native, both of which are demographics which can't stand the British.
Canada is only a quarter French, and neither New Zealand nor Australia is 'half native'.
So what if they were, either?
Yeah, I'm with Jim here. There is nothing about being french or first nations that stops someone going to a different country. And it's not like people are being forced to move, just having the options provided.
As long as they put the Canada, it's like accepting the US. Canada is just an economical dummy for the US. That's how they forced it on the EU, with the CETA.
Why would you willingly give up any of your sovereignty to an un-elected group of bureaucrats?
What do you mean?
You would have unelected officials making decisions for your country
You wouldn't.
It expressly states that there would not be a common government, common currency or common taxation, as I set out in the third paragraph.
Yeah. I totally trust politicians to never expand their power passed what they originally said they were going to do.
Well, if that's the case, this proposal wouldn't leave the countries involved any worse off then.
Canada is a British colony. Canadians seem to forget this. Australia takes a LOT of direction from the UK and NZ has never truly been it's own thing so... might as well.
We haven't forgotten it because we haven't been a colony for years. Britain doesn't control our foreign policy
I would love to know the flat-earther's perspective on this.
What's that got to do with the question?
Seems interesting at first sight...
The only countries that matter
USA?
Not part of the present proposal, no.
Why would the USA be involved in this? You wanted independence remember? Keep it
I agree, our government is too messed up and any country should be wary of our obsessive ways of control.
Oh is this like a serious proposal? Lmao then no the US wood never do that 😂
I thought this was just a hypothetical fun idea
If I first I've heard of it...
The British just need to let go of their commonwealth nonsense.
Why can't this just be an agreement between countries without there being whining about their history?
@Walrus_au Britain is European clay.
Or Europe is swedish clay. All that kind of posturing is horse shit.
@Walrus_au Europe is our civilization. We have 30.000 years history that binds us together. Only Europe makes it possible that the sum of its parts can exist.
Hey if you are suggesting brexit is a bad idea, I am with you.
But Australian Aboriginies have 50,000 years of history, should that make a difference to a decision like free exchange of citizens?
Crank it back a million or two years and our history is all out of Africa, maybe it is there we should be doing our trade?
@Walrus_au All European languages share a common Proto-Indo-European root. Except for Hungarian, Finnish and Basque language. Europe went through the classical antiquity, Middle Ages and Renaissance and Enlightenment Era together. Africa never was encapsulated in these Zeitgeists, time spirits, that gave the unique characteristics to these eras.
And yet all of our genetics trace to Africa.
Meaningless in this decision. Where languages came from is also irrelevant.
What IS relevant is how beneficial such a decision would be to all citizens of these coutries. And their language roots are not a factor.
@Walrus_au Yes it matters tremendously. Language is heavily impacted by genetics. A people can only have so many words as they have the capacity to use them and remember their definitions. Only a fool would think otherwise. Its only Geniuses like Cicero and Shakespeare that have tremendously positively impacted the complexity of European languages.
Since non-Europeans never went through these stages together, like lets say Islamic peoples they are as you can see currently in Europe totally incompatible with European civilization.
Since classical antiquity Europeans have had a strong distinction between morality and law, this is not the case for Semitic peoples for example.
The commonwealth will fail just like the empire. Britain like every other country must and shall respect geopolitics and the laws of nature.
It's frankly bizarre to suggest that a British person has more in common with a Romanian or an Estonian than he does with a Canadian or a New Zealander. As in deeply, deeply strange.
As is this absolutely crackpot assertion about how languages and genetics works.
I think our neighbour here just successfully wrote himself entirely out of rational discussion.
@JimRSmith There is no reason to assume that the Anglosphere will survive longer than Europe has survived.
@Walrus_au Nobody disagrees in the fact that languages evolve together with ethnicities. Indo-European language does not form the blueprint for all languages on Earth.
The attempts to form a British commonwealth stems from reactionary nostalgia for the empire. The entire commonwealth will learn a very painful lesson. The lesson that demographics determines the destiny of a people. The fate of west was sealed when the west disregarded the fact that different ethnicities have different reproductive strategies.
And that has exactly what to do with the point I just made?
Just because languages evolve does not mean they are connected to genetics in any way.
The tool of evolution in language is the meme.
You have some very strange ideas about the world around you.
@JimRSmith That a geopolitical bloc with Europe is much more robust than the British commonwealth ever will be. If you want to know what Europeans have in common, you must simply explore its history and roots.
And still - this has nothing to do with a free citizen movement between 4 countries, only one of them in Europe.
@Walrus_au If language was not connected to human evolution, every people would have the same words and the same amount of words, but they don't. There is nothing strange of bizarre to reject universalism and accept ethnic, cultural and linguistic diversity.
And I reiterate - the idea that I have more in common with >Insert any European nationality< than with somebody from Canada, Australia or New Zealand AND certain other places, too, for the record, is complete and utter nonsense.
@JimRSmith We will see about that when the Anglosphere falls apart and the natives have their national consciousness awakened. Its impossible for the commonwealth or the Anglosphere to keep existing when Europeans and people from European descent their birthrates are below replacement rate.
the capacity to use language is genetic.
The language is in no way genetic.
People learn what they grow up with, it furnishes them with a palette of sounds to form language. This makes learning languages that use the same or similar sounds easier. But certainly does not make learning other languages impossible.
This is easily demonstraighted by people coming from one area, having children in an area that start out with an entirely different language.
No genes.
@Walrus_au And after how many generations is the language still going to remain the same? Evolution = multigeneration.
Wow, you must be deliberately disconstruing that. I refuse to assume you are that ignorant.
Just because generations come and go and languages change does not mean there is a relationship between genes and language.
@Walrus_au There is a relationship between our genes and everything man. I am going to mute this question now.
You are so full of shit.
So like an English version of the EU?
No really, no.
There would be no legislature or imposition of rules, no common currency, army or any of the rest of the shit the EU is attempting to slip in via the backdoor.
This would be about enabling people to live and work in other countries, without any of the political stuff being forced upon them.
Supportive
C. Why not Ireland?
Ireland is an EU member. They're not even in the Commonwealth.
Nope! Let each country have its own laws
And also US citizens can travel visa free to these countries already.
They would keep their own laws. Their citizens would have freedom of movement and employment between them, though.
US citizens can't settle in any of these countries without the correct documentation, and nor can they work.
We would still have our own laws. This is a proposition for free movement of citizens since we (Canada) are basically cultural siblings with Australia and New Zealand and the "other child" of Great Britain