Toxic masculinity is exactly the same thing as Toxic femininity but all that behavior is only attributed to be negative when its' a man who does it and not when it's a woman. HUMAN BEINGS are toxic pieces of shit but it's bad when men do it. Examples. Sexual assault: When it's a man it's sexual assault but when it's a woman men are supposed to feel luckyCatcalling: When its' a man it's disrespectful but when it's a woman men are supposed to feel lucky. The woman is just a woman going after what she wants and taking initiative.Violence/Aggression: When it's a man it's fragile masculinity and toxic but when it's a woman it's her being a strong woman who takes no shit.
@ronaldo75 Either you read too many YA novels, or you've met some nasty women because I completely disagree. I think violent women who swear and hit people are wrong (unless they were genuinely being physically attacked). Men are certainly not supposed to feel lucky when raped! Where did you get that idea from? Many are forced and then ridiculed for it as they are not able to protect themselves which is horrifying, rape is a violation, and all offenders should be punished. My father once broke up with an ex girlfriend, who then accused him of rape without spite. There are some nasty girls out there, I genuinely wish I could stamp on her hand, how dare women try to ruin other's lives. Catcalling is more iffy, it depends, sometimes I don't mind catcalling. I only dislike it when I cannot see the person who did it, because then I start too feel insecure. I have been harassed before, by a man who pinned me to a bench and tried to force me, luckily I was rescued and I am fine, but I think I have reasons too feel a little afraid when I cannot see who catcalled me. But mostly I'm fine with it. You think I'm hot? Sure, that's fine.
You missed my point which is that no one attempts to define Toxic Femininity
@ronaldo75 Toxic femininity exists yes, but feminism has meant that women are less feminine, it doesn't sound like it makes sense, but it's true. They are more aggressive, louder, ruder, and so, in a sense, it is more masculine, not more feminine. Hence toxic femininity is not really an issue... because femininity is supposed to mean gentle, accepting, elegant etc etc. So really, women become the problem when we're more masculine, because it does not suit us.
Thats bullshit... That is such a SAD ASS response. So when women engage in negative behavior such was being rude and nasty. that's masculine behavior? Oh please... LIke men have a monopoly on being assholes? Even women themselves avoid other women in some schools and businesses and gravitate towards MEN to avoid bitchy catty attitudes from other girls.
@ronaldo75 That's clearly not what I what I was trying to say.
"Hence toxic femininity is not really an issue... because femininity is supposed to mean gentle, accepting, elegant etc etc. So really, women become the problem when we're more masculine, because it does not suit us." You're LITERALLY saying it's masculine behavior when women are rude and nasty. You do know masculinity is also running in the rain to get in a car and drive it back to the door so a woman won't get soaked? Masculinity is also Taking the long way home and driving double the distance so a woman doens't have to go home alone late at night. Masculinity is also controlling yourself when a woman is being overly emotional and illogical for no reason.
Clearly I have not explained myself. That's not what I was trying to say at all. I have said many times, that I am pro men and masculinity. Men have done many great things for me. My dad does exactly that, runs in the rain to get the car so I don't have to walk and it's the sweetest thing ever. My boyfriend always helps with heavy bags so I don't have to dislocate my elbow. I have a lot of male friends and honestly I get along better with them than a lot of my female friends!What I was trying to say was, toxic feminine behaviour, would usually be either a woman who ahas no backbone or a woman who uses sexuality as a weapon, which as you can see, is not generally people's main complaint around women nowadays. Men complain a lot that women are becoming more masculine, this is not a complaint ABOUT masculinity, it's a complaint of women being TOO masculine. Aka adopting toxic masculine traits such as arrogance, brashness, etc etc.
Obviously not all masculinity is toxic. But toxic masculinity does exist. Just not the way these political zealots use it as.I copy&paste the important part of my comment about it:"Essentially all men have the potential to become constructive and destructive based on our biology. Testosterone alone is a massive drive that can go either way. Thus it is important to teach young boys how to valve their drives in a positive manner so they can become good men. Ironically the same people who use toxic masculinity as a political tool are the very same people who create it by denying boys the opportunity to learn how to deal with these drives."
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That's why women should be in the kitchen. To keep them from thinking they have a say when they simply dont
But we do. We command most shit that men do. And we don’t even have to try.
Yea it's called pussy privilage. maybe you should check it
And if women have such command over men, how come women stayed at home for most of human history?
Prince appropriately called it Pussy Control.
He was right. And women are aware of it. Good thing I'm aswell
Nothing wrong with it.
Except that most women abuse it willfully
How do you know?
Men like pussy. Women know that and use that knowledge to get men to do things for them
Well if they’re willing to do it, what’s the problem?
Bcs then they blame"toxic masculinity" when shit goes sideways.
Well that depends on what that means. Toxic masculinity could entail a wide variety of behaviors. If she was originally the dominant one in the relationship and he tried to flip the script then yes that’s not cool.
So it's only wrong if the man flips the script?
No. But If he originally went into a relationship where she was the dominant then he’s with a dominant woman, period. I see all these “red pill” guys calling into their mentors going “I want my balls back in my marriage! I’m the alpha male now!” Just, no. It’s not going to happen with that particular woman ever. He’ll need a different a woman. But instead these guys resort to toxic ass behavior trying to get a dominant woman to submit and they go nuts when it doesn’t happen.
It's not just about women, toxic masculinity also refers to men or women putting other men down because they don't fit the the socially ingrained idea of what a man is and how he should be and are made to feel inferior as a result.
There is no socially ingrained idea of what a man is. Standards of masculinity have always been the same. You can't tell me with a straight face that someone like James Charles is masculine bcs he acts nothing like it.
We shouldn’t have standards of masculinity. A man should be however he wants to be.
That's not how that works. Being an adult male doesn't make you a man.
Who gets to define manhood then? You?
No. But again guys like James Charles, Jake and Logan Paul and people like that aren't people I'd consider as men. JC is a beauty queen , and the Paul's are overgrown children with over blown egos. Same goes for guys who have a cuck fetish and so on.
Who do you consider a man?
A good example are working class men, farmers. Jordan Peterson is a good example of a man as well. He carries himself with confidence , has great strength of character and seems to be a good husband to his wife and a good father to his kids.
I can’t argue there.
I have used my sexuality to get what i want it doesn't happen nearly as often as with girls becuz i have to seduce the girl instead of her just saying ill have sex with u if u do this
Just trynna say guys can do it to we just dont get the opportunity to abuse it
Men can't be dominant because it's prominent in history. Boy, YOU STUPID.
Oof, sorry. My fault. I forgot to describe what I was talking about.
I'm talking about the higher suicide rates and how men's problems are generally disregarded in our modern society still.
Then I guess I goofed with my reply :-)
But I forgive you since at age 103 the memory is not what it used to be...
What can I say, I'M DYING.
Suicide is a very big issue. The more a society is wealthy and seemingly without problems, the higher the suicide rates.Look at Switzerland, one of the top 5 ranking countries in the world in terms of wealth, quality of life and health yet it is also on the very top for suicides. Why? Because people cannot cope with very small problems anymore.If you go to a country where the fight to get a meal a day is their top priority, the suicide rates are comparatively small.And that has to do with the lack of motivation in life and the slightest pebble across your path is an insurmountable obstacle. We are just too comfortable in our Western society and cannot take challenges of life anymore.
'Men are responsible for their actions and not society as a whole.' yep. that's good. absolving your responsibility
Uhhh… I mean, there's kinda other things.
Edit You may want to read; Men on Strike- Why Men Are Boycotting Marriage, Fatherhood, and the American Dream - and Why It Matters by Helen Smith It'll give you some idea what's going on in men's minds and why we are responding as we are.
Suicide and a higher rate of bullying to my gender is apparently something to only be blamed on me.
I mean yea... thats not my fault. I have never done any of that. Suicide is your own decision anyway.And just because america is bullying its men, doesn't mean that its so in other countries
Read the news in other countries like Australia, then you'll know your wrong, because this isn't any issue for America but a global one.
Can you explain?
Im not about to have an argument with some guy who isn't open to listening to what I actually have to say
I don't know where you got that idea, I was asking about your position.
You asked because you want to start an argument just like every other guy on this app
I was curious about why you said it. But alrighty...
Yeah i know why