Never mind her, she likes trolling the community. Not her first time today. She's just another liberal who can't stand people's views that doesn't fit hers. A pleb.
@SueShe The point though is that all the conspiracy ideas put forward dont need to be true, if only one is true thats enough, conversely everything about the official story has to be true.The most significant and indisputable thing that happened is the towers falling down at near free fall speeds into their own footprints.That simply cannot happen without controlled demolition and therefore it must have been an inside job and its not like that idea is unsupported by other data, it is supported by all other data.
so why couldn't Árabes dressed up like maintenance workers and and plant the stuff?
@Guffus Being the only female to answer your question and thus de facto having the only of those sexual organs you are referring to, I assume your update is directed to me...
Not directed at you, wasn't supposed to be a question update.
Edit: my phone auto corrected "Al-Qaeda" to "I'm kind of"
Ok, so i assume you think that terrorists did it as per the official story.Have you even looked at the evidence?Do you even know anything about it?The reason i ask is because the twin towers fell down for no good reason at near free fall speeds into their own footprints.That simply isn't possible without controlled demolition so regardless of what you might think about anything else this factor alone demonstrates with complete certainty that the official narrative is a lie.So I would ask you to look at specifically that aspect again more than once give it serious thought and get back to me about it.
Ok, I appreciate you dont feel like it was a requirement. That doesn't mean it didn't happen though, even if you are right that doesn't mean that those involved shared your view etc and it doesn't address any of the data either so your argument or scope of thought on the subject is incomplete? Inadequate etc.
That idea explains why you dont know more about it perhaps but its not a good reason for believing the narrative.I hope that makes sense to you.
Not going to say anything is completely impossible, only highly improbable. Just like it's equally possible that they had been extremely negligent in maintaining both of the buildings structural security.
No, Im sorry but you are being ridiculous.While on some technical level talking about infinite universes and such like the level of improbability is so extreme what you are saying is that there were a series of events that all happen on one day each of which was the least likely things that ever occured in human history.Thats just nonsense.
Maintaining a buildings' structural security isn't something that happens in one day it happens over months, and years, especially for buildings like the size of the World Trade Centers.
Go and actaully find out what happened because right now you dont have a fucking clue what you are talking about.Im sorry but thats the truth.Those buildings fell down for no reason at free fall speeds into their own footprints, hundreds of thousands of tons of steel reinforced concrete was turned into dust and molten steel.That cannot happen for the reasons you give.What you are talking about cannot produce the observed outcome.
Look, think about this, lets keep it simple.I dont know if you are old enough to remember wire coat hangers but in any case imagine you have a brick which is held above the ground (from undernearth the brick) by a length of steel, like the coat hanger.Alright?So its like a lolly pop / popsicle.Its perfectly straight and the steel holds up the brick just fine.Now imagine you take a blowtorch and heat the steel.What do you think is going to happen?Ill tell you what will happen, the steel will lose its strength and the brick will sag one way or another way and eventually the steel will bend right over or break and the brick will be on the ground probably still in one piece but some where significantly outside its original footprint.Ok?Now bare in mind that the fire from the plane isn't hot enough to melt the steel like the blow torch was able to, it can't do that, you could keep that level of heat on it forever and it wouldn't fail in that way, because its just not hot enough.What definitely isn't going to happen is for the entire thing to suddenly lose all of it structural integrity, the brick to turn to dust and the steel to entirely become a liquid and for it all to fall neatly to the ground inside its own foot print.
Keeping a building up to code on both fire and earthquake standards is a very lengthy and extremely expensive proposition, and even includes things like checking the buildings load-bearing structural supports and the foundations for things like cracks or stress fractures.Also, jet fuel Burns at 1500 degrees, which is not enough to melt steel but is definitely enough to severely weaken it and make it extremely malleable even to a very weak person, much less 500,000 tons of building. Link for proof.gizmodo-com.cdn.ampproject.org/.../amp
Im sorry but your argument is nonsense.I am more than happy to accept the idea that what you are talking about could result in some kind of failure, but what it can't do is produce the fail which occured.
I don't want you to accept my theory on what happened, just that it is possible to one degree or another. Besides, the theory that 9/11 was staged isn't a perfect one either, there's no logical reason why they had to do that.
so the Árabes dressed up like maintenance workers and got it ready for the big day.
Im sorry but you are just wrong.Im not sure how to get you to understand that because you just dont seem to want to see the truth or you are not capable of processing data, Im not quite sure what is going on there.
You dont have a theory anyway.Thats an abuse of the word theory, you dont even have a hypothesis because i have already explained to you why what you suggest is impossible.
You're just repeating yourself over and over. Go ahead and ignore the fact that what I propose is equally as possible as what you propose if you want. I don't choose not to ignore any any facts even if they go against what I believe happened, is it odd that the buildings fell straight down? Sure. Conversely, why would the government attack its own people to start a war when they already had more than enough reasons to go to war prior to the attack? Also odd.
it holds more water than your story, if we wanted there oil where is it im paying $4dollars a gal for gas.
Al-Qaeda had already attacked us two or three times before, sweet enough reasons to go to war in Iraq without attacking ourselves.
Edit on my last post: my phone auto corrected "so we had" to "sweet"
congress was saying no to war so it would've been hard to go to war
Exactly, the government didn't want war.
but chainey made a grip oh money
of money off the war
It is not equally fucking probable you dumb cunt and if you bothered to fucking read anything i said you would know that i have accepted that what you are saying could result in a failure, i dont even think its at all likely i just dont want to waste my fucking time on it because i dont need to, its garbage.Even if we accept this idea that it was poor maintainence or whatever other bullshit you want to pull randomly out of your asshole THAT SORT OF FAILURE IS NOT WHAT OCCURED.WHAT HAPPENED CANNOT BE EXPLAINED IN THE MANNER YOU SUGGEST.
Its not 'odd' that the buildings fell down at free fall speeds into thier own fucking footprints you epically retarded cunt, it is only possible for that to happen if the building fails completely throughout its entire structure not even simultaneously but in a very specific and calculated way.It is not something that just happens.
Highjinx, True, and war profiteering is sickening. I never once said that 911 being staged wasn't possible, I merely proposed alternate theory. Both have holes, both have things about them that don't make sense.Guffrus, I listened and understood what you said the first three times you said it, but by now with that argument's kind of lost its bite.
I tell you what, Ill pray to Jesus for you, just incase you should twist your back a little awkwardly one day and randomly atomise your entire physical structure and leave a pool of your bodys metals on the ground thousands of degrees hotter than the lightning bolt was that didn't hit you.
You never understood any of it lolSaying you I understand is not the same thing as actually undertanding something.
I agree that the building falling straight down is odd, as I've said multiple times in this thread. The fact that I choose to believe a different explanation from yours is no reason to lose your temper. You're free to believe whatever you want to believe, just like I'm free to believe whatever I want to. If you want to believe 9/11 was an inside job, go ahead, that theory does have a few logical arguments, but so does 9/11 being real.
What I am angry about is you thinking that you have an equally valid argument.You dont, your argument is a fucking corpse and you have done nothing to challenge any of the arguments put to you.You have no fucking idea how fucking wrong you are or how fucking arrogant it is for you to just try to take a position which says well it could be this or it could be that.
Now you're just being childish. I've already admitted your argument does hold some weight. I refuse to admit an alternate theory is impossible simply because it goes against my personal viewpoints.
What Im pissed off about is that you think your argument has weight, it doesn't, I have demonstrated to you that your argument is bullshit but you just dont give a shit about the truth you just think oh well i think this and you think that and they are both equally valid, lets just agree to disagree.No, fuck you, you are wrong. You aren't just a bit wrong, what you are claiming is insane.
I was merely offering an alternate explanation to some of the facts. I think it's odd that you have yet to bring up the one fact which proves the government at least knew about the attacks beforehand.
Ok and I explained to you why that idea was wrong.Actually I have told you but you just dont want to hear it.
If you want to think these are explanations are wrong, then you're free you think so.When I said the government knew about it beforehand, I meant that there was evidence that the president received information that Al-Qaeda was planning the 9/11 attacks as early as May of that year.
Guffrusyou have your head so far up your ass you need a glass belly button to see. every argument you have has been debunked.
@highjinx No, nothing has and certainly not by you.
if you no all this info then go get you some justice? lol fookin wind bag mo fo
@highjinx If you dont have anything interesting to say just keep your stupid cunt mouth shut.
sure thing loser lmfao
@highjinx and you're done.
My interpretation of all the facts is as follows.Bush wanted to go to war and Iraq against Al-Qaeda, but the people didn't want to because the only places Al-Qaeda has attacked us this far are military bases and an embassy overseas, not here on American soil, so the Congress kept saying no. Then the president received information, during or around May, about the impending 9/11 World Trade Center bombings. This event will be just the thing he needed to Galvanize the public behind a war they currently did not want, and that the targets, the World Trade Centers, had yet to remodel their building to meet current fire and earthquakes standards, chose to do nothing, or convinced I have certain people to push back the World Trade Center structural security renovations to a point after the bombings were to take place. Al-Qaeda boarded the planes hijacked then went in the air, it's there should have been relatively easy to fly these planes into the World Trade Centers, especially when you have two pilots whom you can threatened at gunpoint to do it for you. Since these planes are taking off from Boston, you still would have been full of jet fuel, which burns at roughly 1500 degrees, the temperature which is not enough to melt the steel structural supports, but is enough to massively weaken them. That essentially made the 500,000 tons a building sitting on four steel structural supports like you sitting on a chair made of paper, that's why the building fell straight down, and why they didn't fall immediately.
LOLSorry am i supposed to be taking you seriously?That makes sense to you does it?When you watch a video and see all the fuel burn off instantly mostly outside the building you think that the tiny resulting can heat ALL OF THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TONS OF STEEL IN THE ENTIRE building to a point where it turns to molten metal so hot that it is still molten weeks afterwards?
Not all of it, just enough to weaken the structural security of the building to the point of collapses. And a Boeing 767, the type of plane that hit the World Trade Centers, can hold 23980 gallons of fuel. I'm sure some, or even a lot of it got out of the plane at the point of impact, but most of it?
Alright Im going to hold you hand and walk you through this.I dont give a shit if you put 10 plane loads of fuel into that building so we can stop arguing about how much of it went inside even though as I have pointed out a shit ton of it obviously fruitlessly burns up outside of the building.I dont care if you think there are fireman up there spraying kerosene into those burning floors it makes no difference.Lets even suggest by some divine intervention that the fire instead of slowly weakening the structure over time it just tah dah! fucking magics away 5 floors of the building allowing the section on top to just drop straight down and hammer into the structure below.That is way beyond your wildest fantasies of how rapagingly damaging that fire was and it makes NO DIFFERENCE.It doesn't fucking matter, why?Because that fucking top section of the building doesn't just get to now plough through the remaining structure like its not there, at near freefall speeds, offering zero fucking resistance.Thats fucking ridiculous.
One several hundred thousand tons of anything starts falling, it becomes pretty difficult to stop. Besides, the only possibility that would offer any resistance to that much weight would be the four main structural supports of the building, which had already been weakened. Demolition crews use the same strategy when taking down a building, you don't have to destroy all the building at once just the structural supports. Without those load-bearing structural supports, the weight of the building will cause it to collapse pretty quick.
Wow, you are retarded.Im sorry but you live in a fucking fantasy world.
I'm not the one denying the possible validity of differing opinions, no matter how small a chance I believe those options have of being true.You offered one interpretation of the facts, I offered another. There's no way to definitively prove or disprove either, we have to choose which one to believe. If you want to believe that the 911 bombings were 100% faked, you have the right to.
Why can't you fucking grasp this?Its so fucking obviously controlled demolition.Even if we pretend that that top section is omg scary enough to break the whole building and it isn't, its so not even close, it should just bounce off and roll off somewhere.Even if I grant you ANOTHER LITERAL MIRICLE it still in no way explains why the entire fucking structure should be essentially atomised and fall neatly into its own footprint rather than randomly breaking up into all sorts of different shapes and sizes of bits and going all over the fucking place.Futhermore you are STILL completely ignoring the WTC7 building WHICH WAS NOT HIT BY A FUCKING PLANE.
JESUS TAP DANCING CHRIST YOU FUCKING IGNORANT FUCKING CUNT JUST STOP WITH THAT SHIT.Its like you just press a reset button in your head to restore you retard factory settings.EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID IS UTTER FUCKING BULLSHIT.
Since you're being so childish and immature, not to mention the fact that you're not offering up anything new merely repeating yourself over and over, I'm going to choose to ignore you. When you choose to start behaving like a mature adult, talk to me again and maybe we can continue this discussion.
Do yourself a favour.Dont ever, ever gamble.Because you are completely incapable of seeing a difference in chance between pulling an ace out of a deck of cards and winning the lottery every week your whole life through without ever even buying a ticket because you just fucking Charlie Bucket your way through it every time.
DUDE I AM FUCKING SHOWERING YOU WITH EVIDENCEYOU JUST can't SEE IT BECAUSE YOU DONT WANT TOYou are too fucking weak to see itIt would break your tiny little faggot mind so you just keep bullshitting yourself
Well you are right about one thing at least.
do i get a prize?
Sure, have one of these equal first place medals that literally everyone gets just for taking part :)
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Meaning that it was carried out by or with the consent of significant figures in the government or other agencies etc.A false flag / black ops.
Honestly, I don't know. There's a lot of conflicting information and the problem is, it all makes sense
Maybe you should look at the videos i linked, It actually doesn't all make sense, the official it total bullshit and it has been proven a dozen times over at least, nothing about the official narrative is supported by any of the evidence.
I dunno man, a plane hit a building and it collapsed. I don't think it's that complicated. The pilots are said to be two guys who terrorists sent here, they gave them $20,000 for 2 years rent and they pretended they were students or something. They took flight lessons. There are groups in the US right now who are doing that sort of thing. I also get that the president supposedly knew that it was gonna happen early on and the whole thing was set up by the military industrial complex and that these events were things that were beyond even the presidents reach. I don't really care about how the building fell, I care about peoples motivations and either way, I think the there are people who, given the chance would manipulate our government into allowing this to happen and also, it doesn't seem that difficult to have a guy hijack an airplane and crash it into a building in NYC. on one hand, it makes a lot of sense to say it was a terrorist attack and thats it but it also makes a lot of sense to say other forces were at play
they had there heads up there ass or they could have and would have stopped it.
If you bothered to understand what happened on a deeper level you would see it can only be one way.Yeah a plane flew into a building which was designed to be fine if people flew planes into it, no steel reinforced concrete building in history has ever fallen down as a result of fire.I dont think anyone is suggesting that president bush was responsible for anything, that guy couldnt tie his own shoelaces.You care about peoples motivations?Ok well, insurance policies were taken out 6 weeks before on the towers earning 2+billion. Loads of stocks were short sold resulting some millions of profits. The event was used to goto war and to pass the patriot act and start a campaign against 'terror' which is still going on right now and which has resulted in, amoung other things the power for the US pres to designate anyone, including US citizens as enemies of the state and lock them up forever without ever charging them with anything and with no evidence what so ever. many millions or billions was obviously made from the war itself and from the oil price fixing etc after it. WTC7 held all the records for the erm, sorry i forget the name. Bush was involved with a company which was under investigation for insider trading or something and that could have put him in prison for a long time, all that went away when the evidence was burnt to the ground in a building which wasn't hit by anything and Im sure i have missed loads of stuff out.So clearly there is plenty of motivations there, take your fucking pick..
Yea but jet fuel burns much hotter and it's kinda just basic structural engineering that when a metal is exposed to heat, it bends easier, the tensile strength becomes compromised at a slower rate to how quickly the sheer resistance is lowered. The building didn't have to melt. And just because the government capitalised on the moment doesn't mean that they were completely involved. That argument kind of ignores the great motivation which terrorists have.
No, jet fuel does not burn hot enough.you're right, capitalising on the moment doesn't mean they did it.The instant story which is complete bullshit rammed down everyones throats and all of the many many things that happened which could only have happened if it was an inside job is what demonstrates that they planned it.Like the airforce being on training missions in Canada and nothing being shot down,Like the security of the towers being pulled out right before it happened and Bush's brother being the dude thats running it.Also you have completely ignored the wtc 7 thing.You obviously aren't interested in the truth or you aren't able to process the data.Like the other guy.Im sorry if you think thats rude but its the truth, your arguments are garbage.
I just don't feel like going down a cockamamie rabit hole with you. I bet you don't know jack shit what your talking about and if you can't even get past the basic fact that jet fuel burns at over half the temperature required to melt the steel and that's enough for it to bend and compromise the structual integrity of a building that weighs more than can you could even comprehend and was disrupted by the shock of such a large impact, then whats the point of getting into this with you?You haven't said anything any better than anything I said. I'm not really for or against it. I think that we should all just focus on what's happening now and understand that it might very well have been done with the help of the government. Almsot certainly. But to what extent? And it takes a truly intelligent person to be able to say that there's too much information to sift through. You WANT it to be true, because you're a conspiracy theorist. It's sexy as a conspiracy theorist to believe that such a terrible thing happened because the government is totally irredeemably evil and there's this highly organized cabal pulling all the strings and all the worst villains of life are really just pawns in the chess game that these elite are playing against who? Some dude on Gag? I dunno man, it sounds like you gotta grow up
I guess the problem that i have is that I understand that more reinforced steel and concrete than i can comprehend provides more than zero resistance when you try to crush it.Who gave you the psych evaluation on me? Your television? You wanna get into something you might want to consider pulling your head out of your ass first.
911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/rubblefires.htmlOh noes!Scary jet fuel!Its SOOO hot omgs!
Pretty sure thats not what happened but ok.Literally never heard anyone link Obama to it before maybe he was involved somewhere but to suggest he was the major player and that it was a method for getting elected is nonsense.Perhaps you could provide some links to support the idea?
@Guffrus Never mind him, he likes trolling the community. Not his first attempt today.
What links do you need? Just look at what Obama caused: increase support in feminism, isis, support of enemy countries, helping foreign nations. He even allows illegals into the country when he was president. It's obvious who caused it.
@Cyberwarrior98 Well something other than the word of someone who repeatedly demonstates that they are a complete ass clown supporting the ideas which are in conflict with everything i think i know.Just because you are a total prick doesn't mean you are wrong but you aren't offering anything to support your claim.
You must be a liberal also lmao. This app has a whole lot of libs.
🐄🐄🐄🐄 Guffrus mooooooo!!! 😭
Frankly I am being very generous to you even suggesting that you might be able to back up your claims with any kind of argument.I could make your argument for you, but this is about what you know not what i know.
You dont get to mock when you dont have an argument, you just look like a twat.
Mooooooo!!! Mooo moooo mooooooo!!!
Don't even bother with this kid. Obviously slightly deranged on the upper floor :-)
21 isn't a kid fish face.
What is moo supposed to mean?Because you are throwing the term liberal at me like that means something.Outside of the united states it doesn't mean whatever you think that it means, even inside the US its only a fairly small minority of people who would say something like that.Obviously only republicans would and only a subset of them.Moo is presumably a reference to something, are you even able to explain that or are you completely clueless about everything in your head and parroting some bullshit you heard because you think it makes you look cool?
GAG admins only like you cause you gave them a quickie in the bathroom stall.
No I was speaking your language 🐄.
Nevermind what you think my language might be, explain to me what moo means in English.
Or rather what you mean. What are you trying and failing to articulate to me?
Dictionary. com: to utter the characteristic deep sound of a cow; low.
Im not asking you what a dictionary says.I am asking you what you mean when you say that.I am really trying to make this simple for you, Im not sure i know how to make it easier.
I thought you'd understand. Didn't seem like you understood my language so I'd decided to say it in yours.
I think we both know why I'm saying.
Dont worry. A lot of liberals like you speak the same language.
Are you from Texas?
From South Carolina but I live in Virginia.
Why do you assume I'm from Texas?
Just so that you know, calling someone a Liberal isn't an insult, liberalism is the idea that people should be free from tyranny etc. Things like freedom of speech and the right to bear arms are liberal ideas.
There is a reason which spectators may understand, I dont want you to know so Im not going to tell you.
Liberals will say anything to lie to you. They don't support free speech or the right to bear arms. They are trying to take them both away as we speak. I had this conversation with you last week.
I don't need to repeat myself to you about liberals.
Ok I will just block you then, if you are incapable of learning or making an argument.So your choice, last chance.Do you want to pull your head out of your ass or not?
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