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Have no idea why anyone should be against an individual parent deciding and paying for their child’s education outside a government publicly funded education system.
I've never quite gotten the point of drag queen story hour...
Please supply peer reviewed citations to support your bigotry.
ajph.aphapublications.org/.../AJPH.2013.301507www.tandfonline.com/.../19419891003634430www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1446201/www.tandfonline.com/.../00918369.2011.533630journals.sagepub.com/.../pr0.1922.214.171.1247www.ncjrs.gov/.../AbstractDBDetails.aspx?id=95744I didn't say I hated homosexual and the like, only that they their lifestyle should not be taught in schools.
There is such thing as a LGBT lifestyle, only LGBT people living their lives.
I was looking over your links and I have to say some of those are outdated. The last two are dated from 1984. Recent and more widespread research has debunked the myth that homosexuality was correlated with pedophilia. Matter of fact, many pedophiles lack an adult sexual orientation as their interest is exclusively toward prepubescent children. The DSM-5 even list risk factors for Pedophilic Disorder and sexual orientation was not one of those risk factors.www.theravive.com/.../...rder-dsm--5-302.2-(f65.4)As for the other studies, they do not prove your claim that being LGBT causes those mental illnesses. If anything they showcase a correlation, but such a relationship can have a multitude of explanations with social disapproval being a likely culprit.
@JenSCDC I answered the question, the question asked if their lifestyle should be taught. It should not. I also gave reasons why. And linked studies supporting why children should not be exposed to this lifestyle. It's best parents take an active role educating their children on topics/subjects like this.
@Starrk why would we teach children something that is socially disapproved of as normal? Why expose them to that lifestyle? And make it seem normal or acceptable when it isnt? There will be no more studies which prove my initial response because no university or institution wants the heat of proving the correlation between pedophilia and homosexuality Perhaps, if academe was willing to have an honest discourse about these lifestyles instead of promoting them we would have a better understanding of the implications of these lifestyles.
"why would we teach children something that is socially disapproved of as normal?"Well, the reason it's socially disapproved for in the first place is due to lack of education and people's aversion to anything that is different from them. Being Black at one point was socially disapproved by the greater society, but through education, common sense, and compassion, that all mostly went away. Also, academia still conducts studies on LGBT groups as well as other demographics. As a Psychology graduate, no demographic is off-limits when it comes to conducting studies. Just because the results don't corroborate what you want to believe doesn't mean there is a scheme taking place in academia. So, you can either accept the literature or not. I really don't care. But don't lie on science and research just so you can justify your agenda.
You can educate people about anything and rationalize and justify the most heinous behavior. And you can use accredited professors and institutions to do it. What we are talking about here is the morality of the teaching kids about these lifestyles in public schools. You haven't answered the asker's question. My answer is that by teaching children about these lifestyles you are exposing them to harmful/more dangerous lifestyles. And any sort of LGTBQ education will be pro-LGTBQ in todays socio-political atmosphere. You are essentially legitimizing something that is harmful to children. You dont need a degree in psychology to understand homosexuals and the rest of the community suffer more than others, deal with more illness, and can not have families of their own.
"You can educate people about anything and rationalize and justify the most heinous behavior. "No, you cannot. If a professor from any University came out and said slavery was a good thing and it should be brought back in 2019, that professor would be mocked into obscurity. Regardless of that, this has nothing to do with LGBT because it's not inherently a heinous behavior by any means.As for your opinion regarding LGBTQ being taught in schools to be harmful, I consider that a crazy stance to take on. Children nowadays watch movies were people fight, get shot, have sex, do drugs, and are committing about 42 felonies all in your average PG action movie. But you're going to sit here and tell me that children learning that sexual orientation is fluid is something that's going to harm them? Newsflash, LGBT isn't something you put on like a pair of clothing. You're either genetically predisposed to be that way or not. Learning about LGBT isn't going to compel 7-year-old Tommy to grow up and be with men before changing his name to Tamara.
@Starrk Eugenics was a valid field of study in the early 20th century and had scientific evidence and scientists supporting its theories and even had certain nations adapt these studies into policies which jeopardized the lives of deemed undesirables. I think Eugenics is pretty heinous.Giving hormone treatments to children, treatments which have irreversible affects is heinous. Then teaching the other children that somehow that is morally excusable and should be expected is even more heinous. They dont teach those things you see in movies in academics or public schools. They might read a novel which has certain elements of such things in them, but thats normally at the high school level when kids are more developed. Homosexuality can not be genetic. Genetic factors may make a person susceptible to become gay (Through several factors, e. g. early child-hood abuse), however a gay gene has yet to be discovered, and in theory homosexual relationships cease reproduction. So how could the trait keep propagating at the rate in which it does? Learning about homosexuality might not compel Tommy to become a homosexual, but if he were to get abused by an older man, he might think its ok, or natural because thats what is teacher taught him, thats what the television says and thats what psychological researchers like you told him.People learn and emulate other people around them. You surround children with homosexual content, more of them will become homosexual. You may be familiar with Bandurra's bobo doll experiment? Its quite a famous experiment which shows precisely this.
@Starrk by the way I appreciate the time you are taking to discuss this with me. It will help us both articulate our arguments better. I really dont have much of a dog in this fight, besides finding this sort of thing morally reprehensible. But have not tried to bring faith or religion into the argument for obvious reasons. I also appreciate some of the valid criticism you have made, e. g. the Date of the cited studies. and given time I will work to address them in future discussions or find more recent research.
You're comparing different time periods here with different positions. Eugenics and so many other crimes were popular prior to the concept of basic human rights and it was during a time period where our understanding of genetics was flawed and based on shoddy science.Children are not given hormone treatments. They are usually given puberty blockers to delay the onset of puberty while an interdisciplinary team consisting of Psychologist, Psychiatrist, and Pediatrist conduct extensive interviews over the course of several months (if not years) to determine whether or not being trans is something they truly desire before going further. Whether I agree with this or not is irrelevant. But what I do know according to studies on the mental health of children suffering from gender dysphoria is that the mental anguish can lead to dangerous results if the child's concerns are not acknowledged and brushed off as a "phase they'll outgrow". Turning a blind eye to an issue because you don't agree with the solution doesn't make the problem disappear. It only leads to those suffering from the issue to suffer more as they age.Homosexuality is most likely a result of epigenetics where genes and environment act upon one another. As for why Homosexuality continues to exist despite reproduction is unknown, but many evolutionary psychologists assume that being gay has advantages for society, this theory is further corroborated by the fact that homosexuality can be observed in other species, which shows it's not some "glitch" exclusive to humans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmBqwWlJg8UWhy we shouldn't display homosexuality to children or expose them to it at all. I know your rebuttal will be "This study focused on aggression"But the main purpose of this experiment is to show children's learning process of Modelling.
Its why when kids see heterosexual couples and there parents, they want to have wives and families one day too.
Your twisting of my analogy with Tommy is flawed. Nobody and I repeat nobody claims that your sexual orientation is dependent on the sex of the person who sexually assaulted you. If a man rapes another man, nobody (not even the most inept Psychologist) will claim that the victim is now gay and he just has to accept it for now on. Rape/Molestation is an act that is carried out by force and coercion.Also, another flaw with this logic is that currently in public schooling being heterosexual is considered the default in most American classrooms. Despite that, a 9-year-old girl who is molested by her 42-year-old Uncle will know that something isn't right, no matter how much she is taught being heterosexual is normal and the default.There is no evidence what so ever that being around a certain group of people who are a part of one orientation will magically alter your preference. If anything it will make you more accepting of them but it won't make you desire to be like them. If that was the case then homosexuality should NOT exist since people who are homosexual were most likely reared by heterosexual parents and live in a world that is dominated heavily by heterosexuals. In research, you are not supposed to conflate the results of one study to a topic that is completely irrelevant to the study at hand. The Bobo Doll Experiment was a study rooted in behaviorism and it was focused solely on the act of aggression. The problem with applying this to our current topic is that aggression and sexual orientation are nowhere close to being a similar topic. Aggression is something we can all exhibit, but falling in love with another man is not something every man can do no matter how many gay male couples I place in front of him.
No problem. I don't have a bone in this fight either, but since I'm somewhat knowledgeable on the topic of sexual orientation, I figured why not put this knowledge to use. I mean it's not like I'm doing anything constructive with this information in my everyday life. :)
@Starrk I hear you on the last part haha. What is it all for! haha stuff like this. Internet forum disputes...
The horror, the horror...:)
@JenSCDC I just don't think anything is to be gained by turning out ignorant children. Even if you disagree with whatever it is they're learning, knowing about it is better than not.
I agree totally.
In my case, having a good job, loving my family and friends... you know, that horrible sort of thing :)