its not like that in the uk... some have mental illness but most homeless have simply been forgotten about by society... we had a change in the law that forced many poor people onto the streets because they had a spare bedroom in their house which the local authorities would no longer pay for so now we have a much more expensive deal where we have to address a ten fold rise in homeless numbers in the name of saving a few pounds on benefit payments... liberal or right wing it makes no odds here it still costs the tax payers more. i am aware its quite different in america where mental health is still a dirty word and you have the opiuoid crisis too but still not sure thats atributable to a single political movement either. these things are more about society in general as far as i can see
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This list, suffice to say, barely scratches the surface but would be a good start. However, the political realities mitigate against it. So it is not likely that much progress will be made.A wise man once said that Americans prefer the tyranny of the streets to the tyranny of the government. That being obviously the case, Americans will likely go on stepping over sleeping homeless people and the human waste they leave behind and all the rest. At least until some galvanizing event changes the cultural mindset. In the meantime, cities like San Francisco, Los Angeles and parts of NYC will continue to compare unfavorably to the Black Hole of Calcutta.
What you're describing has some merits, but ultimately relies on our prison system to absorb those who won't or can't comply, and on law enforcement professionals to decide the difference. That's how the system already works in a lot of cases; an insane number of people in our prison system are mentally ill people whose crime was beyond their ability to NOT commit, and who were put there by law enforcement officials who didn't know how to deal with them.Compassion is not only more effective than strict enforcement of laws like this, but also more humane.Drug addicts should be handled with harm reduction practices and should be cared for primarily by the medical community rather than the law enforcement one.
@MikeAndMolly show me the compassion in allowing people to choose to live in squalor and distress. Compassion isn’t feeling bad and allowing people that clearly aren’t making good choices the freedom to make the same choice while affecting other people. Compassion and s exactly strictly enforcing law to prevent this nonsense. You live on the streets , the best you get is what I can afford to give you. You can’t accept shelter and relative safety and food and some services to help you then honestly. I’ll be compassionate and let you die somewhere else where you aren’t going to impact people around you. That’s the best I can do. I give you a choice , life, shelter , food protection, services. Or none of the above. I give you the whip, and tell you if you don’t choose what s obviously the best choice then you will be facing consequences in a bad way and at some point I’m going to take you to the edge of my city and drop you off on the side of the road and leave you to make another choice. I can’t by law relieve you of your life and remove you from misery. I cannot force you to be a positive actor for yourself. But I can prevent you from being a detriment to the community and others. That is compassion.
"other than near me". Every place is near someone, and everyone says the same thing: put it somewhere else.
@slatyb yeah well life isn’t always fair
Just put it in the area with least expensive real estate and fewest property taxes are.
We could do the same for those that want to be drug addicts, or prostitutes, let em do whatever they want as long as we confine it?
Ah yeah the good old days of the work houses
We basically already do it with drug addicts, the idea is similar to how in patient rehab works.
By the way, I am so glad people are asking this question. We are going to have to solve this ourselves because government only seems to ignore it or make it worse.
I think its more of living way beyong your meens. Yo dont live in city center if you can't afford cost there, and people always have chance to return to farming. 100x100m land is all you need to support family with food and save some, rest is for making money. There are plenty of choices for those who want to work. Only thing i understand is being veteran, not from USA but deam guys you dont know how to care about your solders. Ptsd can fuck up even person who wants to work.
So, legalize all drugs... People that might not have tried drugs at all would have easy, legal access to them. And are there people who don't know meth is bad for them? They probably know but don't care. So meth addicts have legal access to more meth. So now you have crackheads in your neighborhood and parks who aren't shy about it anymore because it's legal.
@LordSnuggles nope because you put money into proper education about drugs, so people who have never tried them never try them and people who would have tried them never tried them, Singapore does this and they have the least amount of drug addicts per capita in the entire world
@LordSnuggles it’s prettt easy to get your hands on drugs with it illegal, the only difference is your taking away the black market
On what data are you basing your opinion that most homeless people just don't want to work?
@laralamy On account of them not working.
So anyone who is unemployed, is so because they're lazy... is that what you're saying?Or is it possible, and I'm just hypothesizing here, that there are other factors that can contribute to unemployment other than lazyness?
@laralamy He never said most, but "some people."
@Inbox, he did. He also still made wild generalizations in almost every statement after that, anyway.Do you agree with him?
@laralamy About those "some" people yes because I grew up in the hood and my family eventually rose to success. Most of the time, the problem is because people just don't want to work as hard and/or have terrible money management skills (even sport millionaires have this issue at times). In other cases, some homeless do suffer from mental problems, traumas, and drug abuse - those are the ones I want to help.
@laralamy The other side is because of the economy like what happened during the Great Recession. Unfortunately, there isn't much that can be done during those times because if the economy isn't hiring, only the government can help then...
You can't just move people into a substandard building. Have you heard of the Ghostship fire?Plus, if you move 100 people into a warehouse that had a sewer line meant for one toilet and 8-10 people, you will soon have a sewage and disease problem.I'm not saying that it's not an idea that could be made to work in some cases - it could - but those buildings would have to be brought up to code, and that's expensive and often complicated.
I meant watch John Stossel. He offers jobs and they won't work
These are a minority and many of those fit into the mental illness and veterans with PTSD who are ignored by our VA or who have no real job skills and no one to offer training for actual paying work besides dish washing in a restaurant for minimum wage (which will not support a family let alone a single person)
Imagine if you were that homeless person sweetheart...
@Inbox I'd choose not to be
Yes, while having the wisdom of genocidal beliefs - RIGHHHTTT...
@Inbox The United Nations Genocide Convention, which was established in 1948, defines genocide as "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such" including the killing of its members, causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, deliberately imposing living conditions that seek to "bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part", preventing births, or forcibly transferring children out of the group to another group.
Many homeless people didn't choose homelessness. They lost their source of income and could no longer pay for housing.
@slatyb there are other jobs.
Those chose to live that lifestyle... they like to be carefree and ultimately they've lost far more than their dignity doing so
@donnny2367764 maybe , I also like to think some are domestic abuse cases but thats just me
A wealthy homeless? Abuse from a wealthy family?
@donnny2367764 stranger things have happened.
Are you being sarcastic?