"And it certainly hasn't been long enough for "white pride" to be forgiven and reclaimed right now, lol."What determines when something has been long enough or not?"The damage has been done already, and even if it's not the fault of modern white people, that doesn't make it redeemable."But if a person wants to identify positively with a symbol and reclaim it's original good meaning, why should they care for the feelings of those who'd disagree?
"What determines when something has been long enough or not?"There's no clear answer to this. It's pretty much the same as asking "how much time needs to pass before it's acceptable to joke about 9/11?" There is no single person who can give a cumulative answer to represent all Americans, but if I had a family member who was killed in the attacks, the answer could be decades or the answer could be never. So if you're asking racial minorities, "how long before it's acceptable to reclaim white pride," some of us will tell you in a few decades, or maybe in a few centuries, or maybe when people stop releasing white pride manifestos right before they commit mass violence. In both situations, I think it's agreeable that the answer can only be determined by those that have been most damaged by it, because the question is still, "how long until I can do something positive with something that's hurt you/your people?" "But if a person wants to identify positively with a symbol and reclaim it's original good meaning, why should they care for the feelings of those who'd disagree?"I wouldn't say there was a positive meaning of "white pride" in the first place, historically speaking, but if the question is, "why should I care?" all I can do is point to everything I've already said and respond, "why should I care if you're trying to put a positive spin on something historically evil that was damaging to my ancestors?" I don't think that's possible. But since what you're asking me is "why should I care about the feelings of people who disagree with me," that's pretty much whatever. I'm going to continue disagreeing with and condemning it. I don't mean this with hostility, but I do mean it strongly. Like everyone else who tries to endorse white pride, if you don't care that most people today find it deplorable, then... okay.
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I don't know of any examples from history where a people became self-loathing.
No, I'd agree - it's a step further on, from mere decadence, I'd say?
White apologists are disgusting. I'd take KKK to those types who feel the need to kneel down for being white.
Like I have more in common with people who have some sense of dignity over those ass-kissing types who put their hands over their chests and take offense to everything and use phrases like "that's so inappropriate!" left and right while apologizing for their whiteness. What a bunch of ass-kissing sniveling shits. I can't think of a nontrivial group of people I get along less with than those types. :-D
So wait, if a black guys has pride in his race, that's okay but if a white guy does it's bad you say?
That's not what I said. I'm comparing terms here, not how happy or prideful you are with your race. If a White person wants to be proud of being White, that's their prerogative. What I'm arguing is that the TERMS "Black, Asian and Gay Pride, have a different meaning and history behind them as oppose to "White Pride". The first three came out of self-affirmation, which is a noble and positive reason. The last one came from hatred and was a reaction to minorities getting equal rights.White people can be proud all they want. But the KKK and White Supremacists have already called dibs on the term "White Pride".
Would it be fair to then say that black people have called dibs on the word gangster nowadays?
No. I don't know how they could call dibs on a term/concept, that was already in existence and is used as a catch-all term to describe anyone who engages in organized criminal activity. The word gangster applies to the Yakuza, Italian Mafia, Russian Mafia, Irish Mob, Cartel, Crips, Bloods, Hell's Angels, etc. Another issue is that the word "gangster" isn't race-specific. Anyone can be a gangster as long as they partake in organized crime while being a member of an organized gang.
So how come the KKK then can call dibs on a concept?
Because The KKK and White Supremacists were the ones who created the term "White Pride", so as a result, the term became synonymous with them and their racist agenda. The term White Pride originated as a chant used by White Supremacists. "White Power! White Pride!" was the chant that gave birth to the term White Pride.
And how would you know if black pride wasn't invented by a black supremacist, only to then be taken over by those who just want equality? Just because a term is created with bad intentions, doesn't mean it has to stay that way indefinitely. People should be able to reclaim it if it can have good intentions. Letting it remain forever negative is pointless - I mean, if black people can have black pride, when exactly will it become okay to have white pride without someone bringing up the ''but it was created by evul pepl hur dur''?
I know Black Pride wasn't created by Black Supremacist because the intentions behind "Black Pride" was not one of hate but of love and equality. A simple Google search on the history of the Black Pride movement will show that there is a large difference between what the Black Pride movement desired and what the White Pride movement desired. Black Pride was about uplifting Black Americans' self-esteem after being told for centuries they were ugly, stupid, animals, slaves, inferior etc due to their Blackness. White Pride on the otherhand was created to be dicks to other minorities and to express how superior they are to everyone else. "Just because a term is created with bad intentions, doesn't mean it has to stay that way indefinitely."The issue with this comment is that White Supremacists and the KKK still use White Pride in their mantra. It's not like White Supremacists started the White Pride movement and then stopped using it. They're still using it to this day to spread their message of hatred. You can't reclaim a word and turn it into something positive when it's still widely used as a message of hate and negativity. White people who want to show pride are better off just showing pride in their ethnicity or having European ancestry like they've been doing, but the term "White Pride" is off-limits unless you want to be viewed as a racist.
Whether someone bad still uses something should not dissuade well-intentioned people from taking it over."You can't reclaim a word and turn it into something positive when it's still widely used as a message of hate and negativity."That should be the whole point that you SHOULD be able to do so - to reclaim it for yourself and take it away from them."but the term "White Pride" is off-limits unless you want to be viewed as a racist."It shouldn't be. Letting something remain in the hands of bad people is like admitting defeat. One should be able to fight for the good image of something.What if in the future when black pride has faded away, actual black racists start using the term in masse and, after a decade or two, people start associating black pride with racism instead of the original meaning? Should good black people not be able to claim/ reclaim the term or should they follow your logic and just let black pride be associated with hate for as long as the racists use it (which they will do so indefinitely)?
"Whether someone bad still uses something should not dissuade well-intentioned people from taking it over."Being well-intentioned means absolutely nothing if the word has been associated with negativity for decades and if society views it as a word of negativity. For example, there is no way in hell I could change a negative word like rapist into something that means "someone who respects other peoples' boundaries". My intentions would fall on death ears."That should be the whole point that you SHOULD be able to do so - to reclaim it for yourself and take it away from them."Just because you SHOULD (?) does not mean you COULD nor does it mean its a good idea."Letting something remain in the hands of bad people is like admitting defeat. One should be able to fight for the good image of something."Being in the hands of bad people is only a part of the problem. The other issue is that the term has a negative amount of baggage attached to it. Nobody has time to try and change the meaning of a word that was never used in a positive manner in the 40+ years it's been in existence. People with well-intentions like you said would simply create a new term to express their idea as opposed to going through the work of making something negative into something positive.
As for the Black analogy, well that doesn't make any sense. First of all, Black Pride will never fade away. As long as being Black is shamed in society, it will never fade away, but on top of that Black Pride has a positive message to it that not only uplifts Black Americans but ALSO express equality and love. Black racists would never use a term like Black Pride to promote their agenda because the meaning of the word goes directly against their ideology. And even if they did try to "steal" the word, the original meaning of the word will always eclipse whatever vile message they try to throw on it. White Pride doesn't have this luxury because the ORIGINAL and CURRENT meaning of it was/is about hatred and superiority. Also, I should have seen this sooner. But I noticed you are not American. This would perfectly explain why you are having a hard time understanding the racial dynamic that exists over here in the states. I can talk about it until I'm black and blue, but it would be hard for you truly understand how pervasive "race" is over here UNLESS you actually come over here experience it yourself or take an American History lesson. White Supremacy has a nasty history in our country. It's more than just a mere word, it's a word that represents an idea that has led to the murder/torture of many minorities simply because they were of an "inferior" race.
"Being well-intentioned means absolutely nothing if the word has been associated with negativity"You're arguing from the point of view of giving up on a prospect because of how others feel, not because of how you yourself want to feel about it. If I want white pride to simply mean pride in being white, instead of hate for non-whites, and the only thing standing in my way are a now small minority of white racists, then I should forgo them and take that phrase for myself. Anyone else who insists on associating it with negativity is deliberately ignoring my well-intentioned reasoning in favour of remaining bitter.How is it fair to compare white pride to rape? Black, gay, white pride all mean the same thing, they just differ in regards to whom they're addressed. You can't compare a phrase that can have both positive and negative meanings, to a word that is universally considered negative."Just because you SHOULD (?) does not mean you COULD nor does it mean its a good idea."Indeed, whether I could or not is up to debate but I can and should have the freedom to give it a try.
"The other issue is that the term has a negative amount of baggage attached to it."It's pretty much the same issue at hand - take the word and adopt it for yourself, eroding the bagadge one way or another."Nobody has time to try and change the meaning of a word that was never used in a positive manner in the 40+ years"The time thing is not really an argument. Anyone could have the time for anything, if you care for something. It's pretty definitive of you to say what I or anyone would do. I would reckon that's up to me or anyone else like me."Black Pride will never fade away."I was being hypothetical. You never know what can happen over longer stretches of time. Afterall, race wasn't really much of a concept before colonialism."Black racists would never use a term like Black Pride to promote their agenda because the meaning of the word goes directly against their ideology."You'd be surprised. People with ill intentions will always use positive symbols for their goals. Case in point, swastika."the original meaning of the word will always eclipse whatever vile message they try to throw on it"This completely disregards the way language functions over time. If I were to tell you 60 years ago that you need some solid dick from me, what I'd be saying is that you need some advice.
"You're arguing from the point of view of giving up on a prospect because of how others feel, not because of how you yourself want to feel about it."Individuals don't determine whether a word is acceptable or not in the social sense. I can't change the word "rape" to some positive and expect society to follow suit. How socially acceptable a term is, is a decision that society comes to a social consensus on. If you want White Pride to mean something different from what its regarded as then that your prerogative. But you need to understand that SOCIETY has come to the consensus (due to justifiable reasons) that the term means different from what you want it to mean. You can try to change what it means to you but don't expect to change what it means to everyone else. "How is it fair to compare white pride to rape?"Because like rape, the term White Pride has NEVER been used in a positive meaning. It has ALWAYS, since its inception, been linked to White Supremacy. It's only like the other forms of Pride in naming. But in terms of meaning and context, it is not the same. You can disagree with this and call it unfair all you want, but that is the reality of it."Indeed, whether I could or not is up to debate but I can and should have the freedom to give it a try."Go for it, but don't expect others to follow you in mass, especially if you decide to travel to a western nation, where you would surely be shunned.
It's hard to erode the baggage from something when the source of the negativity is still in predominate use. It's like trying to wash a car during a dirt storm. You can wash that car and get it clean as much as you want, but it will always have dirt on it as long as the source of the dirt (the dirt storm) is still in existence. "The time thing is not really an argument."Time is an issue if you want the meaning of the word to change overnight. But if you're willing to wait until the year 2200 then yes time is not an issue. Germany still bans the public use of the Swastika (a symbol of hate in Germany) 80 years after Hitler. Could the vile connotation of the Swastika lose its meaning in the future? Of course. But in the eyes of the Germans, 80 years still isn't long enough to wipe the stench off that symbol. I can only imagine how long it would take a term like White Pride (especially in the USA) to recover especially since it's still in use today "You'd be surprised. People with ill intentions will always use positive symbols for their goals. Case in point, swastika."True, however, I don't know if the Swastika is a good example of this. When Hitler adopted the Swastika they were unaware of its true meaning. They simply took it because they saw it plastered on a piece of ancient pottery discovered in Europe by an archeologist. He falsely assumed that symbol was evidence of the ancient Aryan master race so he adopted it."This completely disregards the way language functions over time. If I were to tell you 60 years ago that you need some solid dick from me, what I'd be saying is that you need some advice."While I agree with the premise, that language do change over time. The solid dick reference was debunked. The idea of solid dick being used as slang for "good advice" has never been corroborated by linguistics or historians. It was a term that came out of a photoshopped Captain America comic from the 1970s.
True, the meaning of a word is pretty much always dictated by society. But society can change over time.It being unfair that WP is the way it is is why I'm against it and would like to see it change over time.I'm pretty sure I'd only be shunned by the left.From what I gather, the 'predominant use' you speak of still comes from the KKK who have such negligable numbers that they're barely worth a mention. The myth of white-centered nazism being on the rise is just that - a myth, a boogyman created by the left, for the left. The only people still equating WP to negativity are everyone but the white racists who insist on it remaining that way.That solid dick comic thing may have been fake, but language still does change in similar ways. My own username as an example, actually used to mean someone from outside the city, a country guy (If I'm correct). Now it exclusively means an adult male.Anywho, I think we're going in circles at this point. Best to just agree to disagree. It's actually nice to have someone counter your arguments in a meaningful and objective manner, instead of screeching.
I agree. Let's agree to disagree.
And why would be only Europeans that are the haters? Thats the plot hole in the whole narrative. Hate is not exclusive to ethnicity. Stating otherwise would tick off all kinds of definitions of racism, discrimination and what have you.
@esotericstory You're talking about something specific here, "white pride/power," vs. all the others.There is hate in all racial groups, that is a given, but Asian power for example, doesn't have such a strong and prevalent or historically racist group or people associated with it so it remains a point of pride to say "Asian pride." I mean you can't honestly have me believe that people would be happy and excited for you if you decided to suddenly start flying a flag with a swastika on it because "it's supposed to mean" good luck in the same way walking down the street with a shirt that read "white power" on it would have the same effect. You're dealing with an actual hate group that proudly touts these things as a means of racism and hatred. There is no other group other than that one to blame for those words being associated with it and the message has traveled over seas to Neo-Nazi groups and the like. The only way to stop such associations is to end such hate groups but that doesn't appear to be happening any time soon.
You are poorly educated on the matter, which is not uncommon. www.theguardian.com/.../mongolia-far-righthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsagaan_Khashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBBgl85MAKgThe west doesn't usually report on extremism and nazism if the people aren't from European descent.
here's your Asian 'pride' for you.
@esotericstory You're attempt at "an education" changes nothing I've said. I literally said, hate exists in all racial groups. This is not the point of contention. You want to know why you can't say white pride/white power, and it is STILL because of the national and international associations with those words and the hate groups that use the phrases. Post 15 more videos. Send me a work cited page. You'll still be at square one. Now by all means, feel free to walk down the street with your white pride t and hat. I'll not stop you. Start the change and the movement....
I'm one step ahead of you girl, I'm a patriotic activist.
The Nazis were obsessed with Indian culture
@esotericstory this women is a clueless indoctrination. She assumes nationalism and racial supremacy is white only thing and a right wing narrative thanks to the leftists. Nationalism is both left and right. Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, Ghandi and Mandela all leftists all loved their country some tainted it with ethnic cleansing but nonetheless were all nationalists
@Tslaveee Have either of youi watched the 26 part the Greatest Story Never Told? A friend suggested I watch it. I'm told it will make you question everything you were taught about WWI and WWII. Not what was printed by the victors. I'm about to take the red pill.
@October808 Look up the Balfour Declaration signed after WW1 in 1917. Then a couple years later in 1919 (illuminate the end) - Hitler and Mussolini were controlled opposition by the elites- formed the Fascist party and German workers party. Britain even sold fighter jet engines to Germany shortly before the war knowing it was happening. It was all planned to create a single Israel state by the Zionists. Money moves mountains especially if those mountains are powerful governments
@Tslaveee Yeah and General George S. Patton said America fought the wrong enemy. It should have been fighting Stalin instead.
@October808 That’s not what he said, he just wanted to continue towards the Soviet Bolsheviks.
@Tslaveee Watch the documentary.
@October808 I know the history, you’re paraphrasing what he said. Not verbatim
It is unfair to take something that was used by bad people and ruin it for anyone else. A normal person should have the freedom to feel pride in whatever they are. And the definitions of things should be as neutral as possible.Black pride: positive stance to being black.White pride: positive stance to being white.
This is all bullshit everyone should be treated as same
But LGBT and Black Pride is also about superiority.
@UncleJessieRabbit no it's not and you know it's not. Black pride is being proud of being a black person here in USA, when the usa and society told us that we didn't deserve the same rights or respect cause of the color of our skin, the way our hair grows, because our wide features. But you can keep twisting it how ever you want.
yeah they did ruin it for everyone. But there's more respect or pride for already being white. Being white/ light, or having features and skin tones that lean close to whiteness is already the standard here in America and pretty much across the world. It's been proven that the lighter you are, the more likely you are to be respected, taken seriously, and get more benefits career wise and even have more options in the dating world. So to say there needs to be a white pride doesn't make sense cause white pride has been celebrated and existed for a long time here now... there is more is more pride or positive views for being white then their is for being black here in America.
" White people, especially straight white men, are not attacked and shamed for being straight white men."Except they are nowadays."There is no bias by the police against us that results in 5 times as many of us being killed."Maybe because white people commit proportionally less crime?" Which is why the straight pride movement is driven by homophobic/transphobic assholes"They were just people who wanted to show that pride is not exclusive.
"And you already rule the world. White nationalist and airtight school shooters."Who's we? The West hasn't ruled the world since the 1960's.
If y'all wanted to y'all could make it pop off
Again with the y'all - assuming white people in their entirety rule things when only the elite few do.
Are all white people white?
. i thought about it your right
Actually I'd suggest still using YouTube because there are plenty of the channels out there you seek. Look up wayoftheworld - it's a nationalist channel.
Youtube is a valuable resource. I will still use it for how to videos haha. Also youtube helped awaken me to these issues. so I am grateful to a few creators there, even if they turned out to be controlled opposition. But for most other things I use Bitchute. The creators I follow all exist there CulturedThug, E. Michael Jones, and Eric Dubay
That was racist of you.
So basically all whites are kkk members by default?
Way to generalize a whole part of the human race. 🤦♂️ I'm not superior to anybody I'm just an Asshole like the rest of us. 🤷♂️And no, white women aren't 'superior'. Lmao, not in the slightest. 🙄Black women have this attraction I can't place.Latinas are fiery and passionate and its awesome. What makes a woman awesome is the WHO she is on the inside. Race don't mean shit to me. Just a ploy to keep us divided.And an easy life? How do you figure? Aside from fake ass news and racially biased bloggers?I get reminded of my easy life, damn near daily, and I'm the one who got me there so save the petty whining. Me? Personally? Here's how easy it is for me.I've been passed over for 157 jobs i applied for last year. Despite having the skills I wasnt: a woman, black, latino, Native Alaskan and/or no degree. Ya some 'privileges'. I have to work 2-8 weeks at a time away from home. In an oilfield camp, which is literally eat, sleep, work for those weeks. To provide for my family and I get a week or two off to see my kids before leaving them AGAIN. My kids grow up mostly without me.I'm reminded almost daily where I am working that since I don't have college I'm basically, in their candid college way, a knuckle dragging loser. Can't afford college, can't get a grant because I'm not 'diverse' enough. Being caucasian and all.So maybe you need to look at other peoples struggles and not be so judgmental. Best of luck to ya.
It’s a white nation, of course they’re is going to be a white bias. Go live in a negro dominat nation and you won’t have any issues.
@Tslaveee No, this is just reinforcing this false race shit.This isn't the right route. The problem is our senior leadership in this country keeps us divided to the point that this asnine race baiting will never end. No one should have to leave a nation because of something so small minded. Instead we need to actually educate people in a way that they will be successful. Economics, Accounting, Stock Market strategies and do it while they are in highschool.But right now the US teaches people that if you fail, it's not your fault its THEIR fault because they have all the advantages. This is wrong. We have a choice, we can choose to fail or succeed and at the end of the day it's on US to succeed in our life. Everything else is just a sad excuse for our own inaction.
@Tsaveee- says the uninformed biased non- White person... lolim not even hopeful this turns out to be just fine, it won’t.(the question)
**** correction*** that was for @Teahappy...Sorry @tslaveee☹️
@Teahappy- Wrong. All white people do not think they’re superior to any other races. That’s the most ignorant statement on here. Obviously you’re NOT white, are you? Duh. You don’t know shit about whites, if you believe your own hateful words. Society doe not give them automatic privilege.
@Corerue Not a superiority thing, and majority of whites throughout americas history were opposed to slavery. For them to promote a fallacy like so is laughable and annoying. People aren’t taught their history.She just assumes their is a white superiority complex in America because it’s dominantly white. Look at the Nation of Islam those fools are unbelievably racist and was founded on it as well. So when you look at it truthfully you will see black Americans only have a perception of the world via Americas lens not aware of global issues. Many don’t even leave their communities to go out of state or to the ocean so Indoubt they will know the world outside of America and it’s propaganda.As Lincoln once said, “I don’t know if the Negro will ever truly be free unless they were to go back from where they came [West Africa]”
Correct Though those humans are donkeys motherfucking idiots
If one bad group adopts an otherwise neutral expression, it makes the whole thing negative? Can't white people have pride?
What does this have to do with the question?
To made aware people
@ThisDudeHere why lion pride is not in this list?
@ThisDudeHere its not only about the races people are biased to every sequence nowdays.. better to watch the video rather than debating
I really don't get what you're trying to push here. The question is about humans, not lions.
Yet Jackson was a Democrat and caused. The Trail of Tears.Then there was the Dixiecrats. Whk didn't want blacks voting.It's hilarious how the political parties bury their past. XD
@Corerue Last Dixiecrat was Clinton. Biden might be next though. Clinton was governor and AG of Arkansas for quit a while and was raised in the Democrat South. Remember LBJ was supposedly the last of them, however there have only been 3 Dem presidents since. Carter, Clinton and Obama. Obama literally came 44yrs after the CVA of 64 (which Reps formulated and introduced to the executive office) 44yrs after 1964 is 2008. And Obama was the 44th President. Carter announced his candidacy in the city HQ of the Klan. Antifa are Dems modern Klansmen who still cover their faces while destroying property and terrorizing people outside and during voting times. Only difference is the color of the clothing
@Corerue also notice how parties didn’t have color coding until 2000 and Dems claimed blue and made Reps take Red because (R). Blue is significant because the union wore blue and the confederates had on grey. They’re trying to rewrite history in their favor. Obama while campaigning for Andrew Gilliam said this “... we ended slavery and the Great Depression”Dude is trying to claim both victories for a singular party. Only thing Dems won in 1928-32 was the black vote.
Do you have pride in your family and in their achievements? If yes, then you can also have one for your culture or ethnicity and etc. They're not your achievements but you are, in one way or another, associated with them.
Use DuckDuckGo instead. Google only let's you see what it wants you to see.
@October808 yup DuckDuckGo is the best search engine out. Google is too big now to where governments are having them suppress information from viewership. Tech giants are the new Catholic Church and fake news media. They tell you what they want you to know and nothing else
@Tslaveee Yup they even redefined what the US Constitution means. Where as DuckDuckDo has zero bias.
Google is probably who puked up the graphic with this question...🤮🤮🤮
@MrandMrsLandry good good
It actually often has a lot to do with it.
"White Pride is a kkk thing like or not."It does not have to be. That and the KKK is barely even a thing anymore.
In the U. S the only non racist white pride things are Irish Pride and Italian Pride
Dude the graphic is a collage of varying Wikipedia posts. 4 separate articles
The picture may be from 2017 but I googled them myself quickly and it checked out.
A damn shame.
Are you proud of your family?
So you're proud of them even though their achievements are not yours?
What does that have to do with skin color and sexual orientation?
It's an easy comparison. If you can be proud of your family, to whom you belong, surely you can also be proud of your nation/culture/ethnicity/race, to whom you belong as well, no?
Nation and culture yes bcs it's distinct from others.Race and ethnicity no bcs I'm not from Germany , America or Russia. These are predominantly white countries to which I have no connection to. I'm from slovenia. Our culture is different from those I mentioned above. The color of my skin has no value to me.
To each their own, I guess.
In what way is being prejudiced against a certain a race a way to support someone?
Nah Dems are still racist. Look in California for a prime example. The illiteracy rate for Africans is really low, so the educational system rather than educating them to pass at a equal bar decides to lower the standard so those can graduate. In Harvard recently they are trying to bar Asians from attending by lowering their approval ratings and making it more difficult for them to enter because they’re so many of them.So if you are smart and work hard for a good education they will make it harder for you, if you are doing poorly at education they will make it easier for you. That is racism.19M black abortions since 1974 is racist considering PP is predominantly in urban communities targeting blacks, Hispanics, poor whites and other minorities. Blacks only make up 13% of population and 7% of those 13% are female. Of that portion let’s say about 3-4% are of age and attend abortion clinics. For those uneducated on PP origins it was founded by Margaret Sanger who believed blacks were like weeds and must be exterminated. She believed in eugenics just as Bill gates does. Hillary idolized her.