That cost equates to a the same that it costs to fund NASA for one year, so that's not that serious at all. And yes they are, people want open borders, which is a horrible idea.
Sad you think that way. I don't know what country you pay taxes to, but 40 Billion dollars that will do little if ANYTHING to solve your immigration is a colossal amount of "serious". And I'm glad you mentioned that number, because once AGAIN, it goes to prove how Trumpers lovvvvvvvvvvve to exaggerate and misquote. NASA's budget for 2019 is 21.7 billion, give or take a few hundred thousand... NOT 40 billion !!! In 2018 it was 20.7 billion, and proposed 2020 is 22.6 billion. Why can't you Trumpers report a simple statistic?
There are 535 voting members of Congress. Go find me ONE who wants "open borders", meaning that ANYONE from ANYWHERE can come to the USA, unchecked, unimpeded. Go. Shoo.
We can, 27-40% of all illegal immigrants come to America by flying and overstaying their Visas, ironically, leftists use that as a point that a wall won't help when they just admitted that it could possibly reduce illegal immigration by up to 73%. You call that little to nothing?
I'm talking about liberals wanting open borders, and luckily, Congress doesn't approve of it as they know how ridiculous that is
WONDERFUL ... you're just making my argument FOR ME !!! LOL There IS a VISA process, but it's not tracked well enough OR enforced, because there's a lack of agents, and a lack of money being spent on technology to enforce it !!! I'll say this again... LACK OF AGENTS !!! These people coming in ARE ENTERING THE COUNTRY LEGALLY !!! They "become" illegals by over staying. SO... BRILLIANT IDEA COMING... remember those 273 thousand agents you can hire instead of building a stupid wall? Hire half that number, and spend the other money on "Necessary Technology". You make NO CASE for open borders. No one wants it.
Liberal who? Congress makes these laws. Go find me someone who wants open borders.
A very high percentage of them are crossing the border illegally, not surprised you ignored that point, and this would make it exponentially more difficult for them to do it and is much more effective than just hiring agents. And are you so dense to think that it's just a wall and nothing else? No better agents, no tipped up security, no tighter restrictions, none of that?
Julian Castro wants to decriminalize crossing the border illegally
Here you go genius... He wants it decriminalized much like marijuana supporters wanted pot use decriminalized, but he still wants legal ramifications, penalties, and has not ruled out deportation. In fact, he hasn't much about it yet beyond that. The reason why he hasn't? He knows he's not getting the nomination, why waste time on a pipe dream you can't deliver. It's a talking point, much like Trump saying "I'll protect LGBTQ rights if you elect me" !! Total bullshit. Anyway, "catch and return" without clogging up our court system and jails, for NOW, is better than jailing them. I said "for NOW". This needs to become Mexico's problem AS WELL, so they would be jailed when they return. But they'll never work with Trump on that because he's a piss ant. The wall is a waste of time and money.
You say LGBTQ rights like he means he'll support giving hormones to kids with gender dysphoria when it's scientifically proven to be bad for their short and long term mental and physical health. I can go in depth with that if you wish to hear more on it. The fact that he wanted to decriminalize illegal border crossing is ridiculous. Sugarcoat it all you want, illegal immigration is bad for the country and it's people and in no way shape or form should illegals be given a free pass.
It's no more ridiculous than you wanting to build a 40 billion dollar wall that will cost another 20 billion to manage each year, and do next to nothing to deal with the REAL issues. I have no idea wtf you're talking about with your first sentence. Go watch his speech. You don't read either. I agreed that "illegal immigration" is wrong, and a bad thing. You in turn make my argument for me for more agents by specifically pointing out how LEGAL VISA ENTRANTS overstay their visa and WE can't track them. Decriminalization is NOT legalization, but you can't comprehend that it doesn't mean "let everybody in unchecked, i. e. open borders. You can not comprehend it. Any more than you believe Trump lies to you, and is himself, a criminal. I will repeat in parting, NOBODY wants illegal immigration. End of point. You want to debate with Castro, go talk to him. I'm done with you.
The issue is that they commit crime at a rate that's disproportionate to the rest of the population, they abuse the system to get healthcare and then don't pay, and they cost us a ton of money in taxes. It's not like we just dislike them for no reason or about racism, they're causing problems.
1. The world Alien has only been used for outer space life AFTER it was used for foreigners. It's origin comes from the latin word that translates to "others" or "belonging to another". Nothing inhuman about it.2. It's not like people in Europe or the US always had a roof over their head and food to eat and peace. There were massive bloodbaths to get where we are today. To get freedom of speech, to get democracy, to get peace, to get the wealth we have nowadays.And you know how that happened? Because people back then - the forefathers of the current native european population - were willing to die for what is right in their countries rather than running away.What mindset do the current people have who flood away? That of a locust swarm who just moves to where it's better, uses the ressources up and then moves on. There is no fighting spirit, no will to improve, no will to stand up for what they think is right. And I quite frankly do not want people with that mindset to come here. They betray us and they betray the place of their origin. If they really want to come here for a better life, then they have to go the legal rule and prove that they are valuable to the society before being allowed to even come - let alone stay.3. If their first action when entering a new country is to break this countries laws - then that says a lot about your mindset and attitude towards the laws of said country. I don't need people with that mindset here. We already have enough shitty people - so I rather not import even more.
What bunch of babble.They shouldn't be called aliens?You boldly show your ignorance.That is literally what that word means..."belonging to a foreign country or nation".Your statements are all feeling based on faulty logic, fallacy, misinformation and ZERO facts.You literally dudn't even know what an alien was. Factual vocabulary bothers you.That is like being upset at other factual words to describe people such as residents, citizens, tourists, travelers... etc.The ignorance is off the charts.
They’re also thieves. I prefer to call them that. They receive money they ought not to. That’s theft. So let’s not call them illegals, or aliens or immigrants. Let’s call them dirty filthy little thieves who accept money unlawfully appropriated from the American people.
Hate speech isn’t real.
Saying they commit more crime (which it's proven that they do at a disproportionate rate) are drag the country down (talking about illegals here) isn't racism, it's true. And hate speech isn't real, I'm with JaySmi here. I meant to write this earlier, but I had a lot of other debates to tend to.
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They're treated poorly because they commit crime at a disproportionate rate compared to the rest of the population, they evade taxes, abuse the system, and cost us billions of dollars per year in taxes. They have no business being here and they need to leave immediately.
Why are you asking for opinions on this topic if you're not open to considering other truths? You know what also costs tax payers? homelessness, "white" people being the largest ethnic group of homeless in America. Don't see you complaining about that. Seems like you're just against immigrants in general. Your ancestors were immigrants, humble yourself.
They contributed to making America a better place, illegal immigrants do the exact opposite, so yes, I don't support them. Homeless people aren't doing that willingly most of the time, they just weren't quite good enough to land a proper job and they are still registered, so they have a right to be here, illegals don't. I only consider substantive arguments, "be compassionate" isn't a substantive argument and it's an answer only a strongly illogical person would give.
Don't forget that every service offered to the homeless is also paid by taxpayers along with addiction services, you seem to have compassion for these people dealing with it. & no it's not illogical, I can't imagine if the rules of immigration today if they existed back when your ancestors left their homes for a very good reason. The hypocrisy.
America was nothing but a bunch of fields and Woodlands then and they built it up to what it is today and illegal immigrants want to take take take and give back nothing. I'm 100% fine with my tax money going towards helping the homeless and addicted because they obviously can't afford those services otherwise.
I wouldn't say they're not GOOD ENOUGH to land a proper job. I've not been able to find one in over 3 years and I'm good at doing all kinds of things and learn fast the things I don't already know how to do. It's just that nobody's hiring ME! Partly because of this, chances are, I'LL be homeless in 6 weeks!! For as much as it degrades society and makes things look worse, you'd THINK SOMEONE (specifically someone that can EASILY afford to) would try to do something about it by either hiring us or, if they have more money than they know what to do with, would help us out by seeing to it we DON'T lose our homes!! I can't speak for all of "us" but, I know that I'd at least TRY to pay them back, even it WAS a gift!!
@FunkyMonkee The United States is seeing it's lowest unemployment rate in American history and there are more opportunities than ever before. But even that won't make everyone who's homeless able to have their own place, car, and so on.
I know! Like I said, EVERYBODY'S hiring, but NOBODY'S hiring ME!!
Yeah, the effective solution is you pay for their upkeep out of your pocket instead of the taxpayers. Could you handle that? I don't think so. So before you speak think a little and open your pocketbook to the homeless. For instance, do you support homeless shelters?
I agree. The people who support them have none in their community and are not paying taxes for them to be there.
Yes, I do support homeless shelters.
You said it yourself. Our own homeless, including vets are lame. Why don't you want to support our own instead of homeless American citizens like Vets?
I do want to support our own, illegal immigrants aren't ours
@Daniela1982 who said I don't support homeless people? I'm not against homelessness, but people tend to have compassion for these people but then as refugees end up making their way into Canada/United states cry about it being on taxpayers. Says to me right there that people are really just AGAINST immigrants in general. WHY is it that illegal immigrants are always being busted in workplaces? Also the jails/prisons are filled with "white" people, but you talked about immigrants committing the most crimes. Here in Canada anyways our jails/prisons are filled with white people considering they are the largest ethnic groups throughout Canada, they are also the largest ethnic groups in the U. S. I bet you guys lose sleep over refugees receiving your hard working tax dollars too.
Argument being is that y'all like to have compassion for the only people occupying the same land "legally" all while having zero understanding on why illegal immigrants are here in the first place. Firstly, people don't leave their homes for no reason, they are trying to escape something. Second of all, you're fucking ancestors came to America because there was disease, war, crisis in their very own homes. When the Europeans first "discovered" America they literally banished their worst criminal to this land. But here you are getting prissy "oh my tax dollar" "dey r criminals" oh I'm so sorry sweetie but this has been going on for hundreds of years. Keep on letting your external environments beat you down & make you miserable, you chose for that to have power over you.
The Mexican American war which took back California was fair. They were lame ass and lost. So why should the US keep taking these losers back? Let Mexico deal with them. Christ, we give them a lot of business like auto making. What the hell are they doing with that money? What I see in California is lame ass men making their women work while they do shit but drink beer. They lower property values by having junk cars in their front yards and don't keep their houses or yards up. I tell you what. You bleeding hears can have them in your back yard because I'm pretty sure you don't have this going on in yours or you would be singing a different tune.
"You know what also costs tax payers? homelessness, "white" people being the largest ethnic group of homeless in America. Don't see you complaining about that." Couldn't POSSIBLY be because Juan, Julio, Cisco and all their relatives came here illegally and took all of the jobs we Americans SHOULD'VE gotten, could it?
Legal Immigrants are one thing, but Illegal Immigrants are another. If they want to come to the US they should have to do what other immigrants have to do - have a sponsor who will guarantee them a job and a place to live when they get here. That way they are only a burden on their sponsor, not the taxpayers if they want to turn into leeches and moochers. Just remember there are people wanting to come here from all over and they only let so many immigrants in a year. So they have to wait til they are allowed because they don't live in a country just over the border. When the Cubans were allowed to come to the US By Fidel Castro, guess who he let come? All the criminals! Not decent folks, just the ones who they wanted to get rid of. The Mexicans that come now may be good workers, but they kids turn to gangs and cause big problems and crime. No one wants gangs in their city or the crime that comes with it.
You mention in a comment they “commit crime disproportionately.”The only really solid data set I’ve seen on that is this one www.cato.org/.../criminal-immigrants-texas-illegal-immigrantWhich looks at a specific window of time in Texas. During that time period illegal immigrants appeared to be committing crimes at a lower rate than native born Americans. Illegal immigrants commit crimes at a still lower rate.
I'd kick an illegally entered Scandinavian out too. Racism isn't my beef, it is the cost I incur via tax increases. My mind can easily be changed on the matter if I get reimbursed. Since that is not going to happen and since I get taxed at a higher rate because I am single... This needs to be rectified. On that same token, I would love to see those who hire these individuals and skirting paying payroll taxes equally imprisoned and heavily fined. In fact, I would prefer that as a remedy. It would discourage both sides.
Illegal is illegal, it doesn't matter WHERE they're from!
No, it's because Europeans want to contribute to society and statistically, illegal Mexicans just want to take everything they can get and give nothing in return.
Agree with FunkymonkeeLet’s send them all back.
Guy from New Zealand dreams of being a cop his whole life. Applies for citizenship to the US and takes him almost a decade. Finally gets it. Gets HIRED ON by a police department in California. IS KILLED IN ACTION by an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT from Mexico. Yeah, we're just racist
So one example talks for the rest?
One is too many. Furthermore, that is just one example of many. homicides committed by illegal aliens among other violent crimes. Regardless, where they are coming from is not my issue nor is their ethnicity. It is that it is a law is broken, further laws are broken, and I am paying for it via higher taxes. That a certain party feels so damn desperate for a victory that they will cheapen if not completely devalue United Stares citizenship all for the sake of remaining in power. This has ZERO to do with them giving a damn and everything to do with power consolidation. They are just damn clever and making everyone believe it is about racism. Then again, that particular party has always been a separatist party - I present to you the American Civil War as evidence. The thing that gets me, is that my ancestors bled to make our country become a nation in the first place. Then everyone wants to come here and then they do it illegally and then claim how lousy my country us have children then scream racism whilst flying the flags from their native lands. It is an absolutely insult. Especially since these same individuals have it not in them to fight their own war and bleed to make their own countries a better place. Instead they take the easy way, come here, take advantage of my country's benevolence and then insult us and fly their damn flags in my soil. Frankly if it were up to me I would invade south of our border clear into Panama and take back the canal we built and annex the entire region just like with other U. S. held territories. Further, drive out all the damn corruption and drug lord sons of bitches then open up the land to ALL United Stares citizens for purchase and use. End the ridiculous socialism in Mexico so those people can finally have a chance at prosperity and shit can their Mexico City oligarchs. So much money could be legitimately made in Mexico if corruptions and drug lords were not at the helm.
I think we can find a whole host of examples of illegals committing crime in the states. No need to though, as they're illegal and by default a criminal having committed the crime of entering the country illegally or staying beyond their allotted time.
I hope you're being sarcastic
Of them paying taxes orrr which part? Because they do 🤔😅 (just saying) & if so i'm 100% serious
www.latimes.com/.../...ecurity-20190322-story.htmlwww.cnn.com/.../index.htmlHere are 2 links that might help you out 🤷♀️ they do pay taxes but whether you choose to believe the articles OR not is totally on you, i'm only speaking on facts and I'm sure if you research on the topic yourself you'll find a lot more that support what I'm saying (:
The most generous statistic is 73% pay taxes, which is a lot of them not paying and they cost the country $130 billion per year. They have no business being here and they take far more than they give
You do realize that is more than HALF of them right? So that doesn't account for the "majority" & do you know anyone (irl) that HAS done that or have you just "heard" via internet?
You know every citizen with a job pays taxes, right? I don't associate myself with illegal immigrants as I don't support them and are rightfully unwelcome here. That wouldn't matter anyways as it would be an anecdote, why would I use anecdotes when I have statistics? That makes no sense
Yes, i do realize I'm just stating that they don't recieve benefits like us and don't have access to a lot of things that we Americans do yet THEY STILL pay taxes & i'm sure there are also some Americans also that can get away w/ out paying taxes. You have your opinion & I have mine we both have "statistics" to show i'm in no way trying to get you too change your viewpoint on things do as you wish with the info I told you, I just hope you at least are now aware they DO pay taxes so THEY ARE contributing to the U. S & they only gain a fraction of the pay we do (sometimes even below the minimum.) Now, I'm off goodnight (:
If they contributed, we wouldn't lose $130 billion dollars per year because of them. They don't deserve benefits because they don't belong here in the first place.
That is because our Prima Donna teens don't want a job where they can't text all day long. McDonald's? Not for America's teens. I stopped going to Burger King here because they couldn't understand what I wanted and kept screwing up the order. I don't speaka da Spanish you dumb employers!
What state do you live in? What you say is bull shit in California.
@Daisy007They do not pay taxes. If they’re not citizens they can’t legally work. Therefore there is no W2 to fill out. How do they pay taxes? Can’t get a loan for a house without proof of income, so they don’t pay property tax. No ma’am they don’t pay taxes, the receive what we are taxes for.
You are so full of shit!!
Who? Me? I’m not full of it.
The U. S & Canada are two of the most powerful & richest countries in this world. Not every country has the resources & money to protect & build their country to western societies ideal standard. A lot of these countries are war-torn & disastrous because the U. S & Canada attacks & invades for the little resources they have, our government isn't going to straight up tell the truth. Even soldiers/veterans/marines etc are not told what they are fighting for, why would the general population of America even know this.
He wanted to block it from Muslim countries because they are committing tons of terrorism and we don't want it to be easier for them to get to America and commit violence on behalf of ISIS. I'm okay with legal immigration as long as they have good intentions and want to make this a better country for themselves and for us. He isn't against legal latino immigrants entering, just illegal immigrants that cost us billions in taxes each year, abuse the system, don't pay taxes, and commit crime at a disproportionate rate compared to the rest of the population.
Totally untrue. Most of the Muslim terrorist attacks on US soil were perpetrated by Saudis, and they are not blocked (since they business with Trump). Iranians, on the other hand have done acts of terrorism in the US despite the fact that we are at war with them economically. Most terrorist acts here since 2016 have been by Trump supporters. By your logic, we should ban them.
That's what the news wants you to think, when in reality, 73% of all terrorist attacks worldwide are committed by muslims. Show me statistics proving that Trump supporters are terrorists. And by the way, I Challenge you to find one conservative who isn't trolling that agrees with any of the shootings committed by "Trump supporters" you like to put us in the same league as.
I didn't say Trump supporters were terrorists just as Muslims are not terrorists elsewhere. I said that terrorists here are largely Trump supporters. Worldwide, you are correct that most terrorists are Muslim, but so are their victims. But here are the counts from Wikipedia:en.wikipedia.org/.../Terrorism_in_the_United_StatesA 2017 report by The Nation Institute and Center for Investigative Reporting looked at the terrorist incidents in the US between 2008 and 2016. It found: 115 Far right inspired terror incidents. 35% of these were foiled (meaning no attack happened) and 29% resulted in fatalities. These terror incidents caused 79 deaths. 63 Islamist inspired terror incidents. 76% of these were foiled (meaning no attack happened) and 13% resulted in fatalities. These terror incidents caused 90 deaths. 19 incidents inspired by left-wing ideologies and eco-terrorism). 20% of these were foiled (meaning no attack happened) and 10% resulted in fatalities. These terror incidents caused 7 deaths. This is pre-Trump data, but you get the point. While most Republicans do not condone these acts of terrorism, one in particular defends it sometimes: Trump. When a white nationalist murdered a protester, he claimed that both sides were at fault. Try to imagine, if you can, what would have happened if Obama had said that after a Muslim terrorist killed an American. He would have been impeached on the spot. And rightfully so. But he was held to impossibly high standards and Trump is held to no standards at all by his supporters.
More proof that Trump supports terrorism by his followers:www.latimes.com/.../trump-officials-have-redirected-resources-from-countering-far-right-racism-fueled-domestic-terrorism
I'll accept the number, but I won't act like the article doesn't sound biased in claiming that all extremist killings were done by people on the far right, especially considering antifa is constantly getting swept under the rug by liberal media and they keep taking down footage of their protests and saying it was peaceful.
I agree that Antifa is an extremist group that should be shut down. But now that Trump is hindering efforts to end domestic terrorism, that's not likely to happen either.
Children should never be a free pass to immigrate illegally. Otherwise, all you'll get in the end is child trafficking. Criminals buying or even stealing kids from their parents and selling them to immigration candidates.
I don't disagree with that.
You do realize "illegals" don't actually have benefits righttt? (Compared to us) and they pay taxes as well.
@Daisy007 they do get benefits in California that the US born and bred homeless don’t
"Benefits" such as?
@Daisy007 they get housing, food stamps etc
Do you really think California takes them in and puts them on the streets with nothing? If that was the case they’d stop coming
They're not eligible for food stamps 🤔 ...
@Daisy007 No, because most of them get paid under the table by lame ass employers who pick them up daily at Home Depot. and drop them off at night with cash for their labors. I have seen them at my local Social Security office so they are obviously trying to get some benefits.
@Daisy007 In California they are.
@Daisy007 you don’t know what you’re talking about
@reptocarl Really? Dome live here sucker and see.
I’m on your side
@Daisy007 Google it.
I lived in CA for 18 years and left in 2014. This is a huge reason why. That state in the 5 years I’ve been gone has gotten 1000x worse. It’s turning into a 3rd world hell hole.
They get benefits. I know they do here in NY. My sister used to work for the state and it was her job to enroll illegals into social benefits programs. I know they get them in CA too. I used to work in an emergency room there and used to have illegals come in all the time and use state benefits to pay the bill. Daisy 007 is just one of the indoctrinated youth. I used to get so angry with these people but when their told lies 8 hours a day at school, how would they know better.They’re told all about how these illegals are just people too and border walls are racism because whites don’t want them here.They aren’t told how we have to compete with them for jobs in which they work under the table, how they receive food stamps, welfare, SSI medical. They aren’t told how there will be no Social Security in a few years and and how those of us who have been paying into they system will not reap from it because there’s no money left. They’re not told how many of these people commit murders and rapes and then vanish into Mexico to escape justice, and Mexico won’t extradite them. They are being brainwashed and literally don’t have sense enough to know better.How would you know any different if you were told one thing for 8 hours a day at school and college and then someone says something completely different to what you’ve always been lied to about. It’s ok though. CA is getting stretch so thin I’m just waiting for state wide riots to overthrow the liberal establishment there because it can’t last. It’s an state built on a foundation of sand that’s being eroded and the law abiding are growing angrier by the day as their rights are eroded and taxes increased.
Can you elaborate on the last part? I'm not familiar with that
RAnger: The Trump administration took many small children away from their parents for weeks and a number of months at a time. That is seriously, often permanently, harmful to a child. Basically, it's child abuse. It would be one thing is this were done to protect the children, but it was done to make a political statement and to punish the parents. Not out of protection, as they first tried to say.
What makes you think it wasn't to protect them? And those were illegal immigrants, correct?
Ranger: If you hear reports from any other sources than Trump supporters, you would know that these children were unnecessarily kept from their parents for months, and that the Trump administration did a very poor job of keeping track of these children. Not even knowing where some of them were. They were not interested in keeping good records. You would also have known, that Trump made comments about this tactic teaching people not to come here. It was a deliberate abuse of innocent children, to make a political statement.
And those reports are from who? CNN? The liberal news channel? Seems valid
Ranger: it's from a variety of news services. And directly from what Trump said. So often, people news services make up what Trump says. But they show video tape of Trump specifically saying these types of things. I guess conservatives can't handle the truth, as when Trump says outlandish things, they make like it's fake news. But Trump said it himself, not what someone said he said.
The issue is that news often is liberal leaning, but you realize you're doing the same thing by disqualifying any news outlet that suggests that Trump isn't the monster you think he is?
Ranger: I also watch Fox News, and listen to a strongly conservative leaning radio station in my area. I get a lot of information from both sides. But I have to say, I'm tired of Trump's lies, and his boasting. Whenever I see him on TV, I know there is a good chance he will lie and brag about himself. This doesn't come form what I hear from liberal news outlets. I see if for myself, watching and listening to him talk. I see this pattern over, and over and over again. I see him say one thing the first day, something different the second day, and the third day, something entirely different again. He lies like a rug. I see it with my own eyes. What's this garbage about news medias making him look like he lies and is unhinged? Anybody watching him can see it for themselves!!!
Maybe he changes his mind but he wants to keep it real about what he's thinking with the people, that ever cross your mind? This is a matter of you believing one news station over the other and being emotional, which is what liberals count on you being so they can influence you while conservatives use facts and don't sweep mistakes under the rug.
RAnger: You are really grasping for straws here. Simply put, Trump lies through his teeth, repeatedly and frequently. More so than any politician I have ever heard of. And he doesn't just try to clarify and keep it real, as you say. He simply tells one lie, and when he sees it doesn't do the trick, he tell another lie the next day. When that doesn't do the trick, he tells another lie on the third day. I've seen him do this. And he has made an art form of lying about his opponents, whenever he is caught doing something. Trump deflects from what he has done or said, by making up lies about others. Take for example. Trump was caught asking Ukraine to find dirt on Biden. Trump gets caught, and lies. He tells us the Bidens are guilty of worse than what he [Trump] did. But in reality, there is not one stitch of evidence or proof, that Biden did anything at all illegal or immoral. But Trump does know, that if he tells a lie enough times, people will start believing it. And it works for him. You are apparently one of the examples of believing his lies.
Okay, give me an example of him lying that's happened say, within the past year. And if you haven't seen someone worse, have you seen Bernie Sanders's interview with a small business owner?
Rangers: When has he lied in the last year? Why just keep it there, as some of his biggest lies were more than a year ago. However. Recent lies: 1. Trump said Biden held a billion dollars in aid, unless Ukraine would get rid of the prosecutor going after his son. This is completely false. There is absolutely not evidence to support Trump's claim. Biden did threaten to hold the billion dollars, because the then prosecutor would not prosecute corruption. Biden's actions were not only done with Obama's approval, but in conjunction with the European Union, which was also very concerned about corruption in the Ukraine, and wanting to get rid of the "prosecutor", who would not prosecute. A new prosecutor was named, the billion dollars in aid was given, and prosecutions once again started. Of course, this lie by Trump, was given to cover for his own wrong doing in the Ukraine. A common ploy of Trump, when caught. Lie, make up lies about others, blame them, and lie and say they did something worse, to cover for what he actually did. 2. Trump said he is cooperating with congress. Lie. He has stonewalled and done everything he could to not cooperate with congress, with very few exceptions. 3. Trump said his wife got along well with Kim Jung Un. In fact, she had never met him. That's just three. But why are you limiting it to one year? Because it's easier to find lies past a year, as they are easier to find. Do just recent lies matter? 4. Trump lied about Muslims celebrating on 9/11 when the World Trade Center fell. This was a complete lie. 5. Trump lied and said Obama was bringing in 250,000 Syrian refugees, and they were flooding our cities. In fact, Obama had agreed to take in 10.000, about 2,000 had come.
5. Trump also lied when he said he signed more bills than any other president in the first six months. In fact, Trump signed 43 bills. President Eisenhower signed 228, Kennedy 200. In fact, five or six presidents have signed more bills in the first six months, than has Trump. Trump simply lied to make himself look good. 6. Trump lied about the New York Times saying Obama wiretapped him. In fact, the NYT did not say Obama wiretapped him. Furthermore, Obama did not wire tap Trump. Trump's lies just go on and on and on. Anyone who doesn't see this, simply has not bothered to look and listen, or simply doesn't want to know.
Because pointing to stuff he said years ago isn't relevant because a lot can happen in a year and people change. Don't take it that I think Trump is perfect because I don't, he has been misinformed many times and sometimes he doesn't withhold them before more information comes in. However, when he's wrong, he's much more likely to admit it and he doesn't try to remove something that suggests that he's wrong, he'll question their credibility which is fair, but he won't censor it like Democrats always do. Just look at their coverage on Antifa, they actively seek to remove all footage of their protests showing their acts of violence and paint them as heroes fighting nazis (btw, Hitler was a far left socialist, so calling us a Nazi is quite laughable) when in reality, they're raping, beatings, vandalizing, and even murdering people for simply being conservative.
RAnger: You make a very CONVENIENT argument, that Trump's past lies don't matter. Are you nuts? Of course his past lies matter. His past lies were actually very politically recent. It also shows Trump's word can't be trusted. At all. And of course, you use Trump's usual ploy. When Trump lies and screws up, deflect and bring up another topic. Don't stay with the facts. Ignore the facts. Make like the facts don't matter. What you are doing is clear. You do a good job of sounding like you really want to discuss issues. But your real tactic, is to do whatever works to deflect from the awful mess Trump has made. Deflect and ignore Trump making America less safe. Deflect and ignore that Trump is abusing his power of office for personal, and political gain. To deflect and ignore that Trump withheld military aid to a country fighting Russia, our enemy, for political gain. In an effort to find dirt on a political opponent, so he could win the 2020 election.
That was some of the most hypocritical stuff I've ever heard in my life. I bursted out with laughter through that entire thing. Please stop, now I'm laughing so hard that it hurts. Go out, do your research, educate yourself, and the truth will find you.
Ranger: Yes, I understand that Trump supporters need to ignore facts and truth. They need to laugh away miserable facts, make like they don't matter, even though people are being hurt. There is so little defense for many things That Trump does, that it's the only recourse for those who support him. Now, I noticed you haven't responded to the numerous lies that I listed, that Trump told. i guess that's just another ignore and deflect, change the subject, denigrate others, in an effort to ignore fact and truth about how bad Trump is.
I didn't ignore them, I've read everything, you're the one ignoring the facts that leftists are fascists and just because we aren't perfect and not easily emotionally manipulated like you doesn't justify what you believe in, and it doesn't erase the clear hilarious stupidity that the democratic candidates display.
Ranger: I have not ignore the facts. Everything I have said can be substantiated. And by the way, you still have not answered my list of lies by Trump. They are very provable. You just don't want to know the truth.
You made claims on most of them with little evidence except for the claim he made about Joe Biden. Joe Biden is a dumbass and he doesn't belong in politics, just like my man Steven Crowder said, he always sounds like he drank a ton of salt water before he speaks and he's saying very stupid shit, yet you guys still support him. Yes you did, I told you about liberals covering up Antifa and you just rolled right past it.
RAnger: Look, I haven't time to look up and prove everything I've said, and then post it. But I know, from research and paying attention, and listening first hand to Trump talk, that what I have said is accurate. You simply don't want facts, and ignore them. I have talked with people like you before. They don't want to know anything, they simply want to ignore clear facts and truths. Whatever is necessary to ignore and deny, in order to push their agenda. This is what so many Trump cult members are like. Ignore, deflect, deny facts and truth, repeat Trump's lies, and on and on.
You're accusing me of doing precisely what you're doing when I've acknowledged his mistakes but think he's the best person to be our president regardless because of how much better he's made and continues to make America. We've seen the lowest unemployment rate in American history, illegal immigration has gone way down and deportations have gone up exponentially. Our second amendment rights are being protected, he's not overtaxing people like you liberals want to do so they can buy themselves their 21st house, and he calls people like Sanders, Clinton, and you out on their bullshit. You're so easily influenced by emotions that you ignore the bullshit that liberals constantly speak to you and you never second guess what they say because they promise you free stuff that they intend to take from the people contributing to the country the most. I rest my case
Ranger: I'm not even reading what you wrote last. I see no sense in discussing issues with someone who either can't, or won't, grasp facts and truths.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you just proved my point
You bring zero facts to the table, and when I do, you ignore them
Ranger: I said what Trump and his administration did to small children. It's easily verifiable. I don't look up and re-post much proof anymore, as when I do, it makes no difference, as Trump supporters just ignore facts, and keep posing false information. Just like Trump does.
You just accused me of doing precisely what you just did
RAnger: As I have said elsewhere. I used to look up the facts, and post them clearly. I discovered that Trump supporters, with few exceptions, are not interested in facts, and I just wasted my time. While I took the time to look up facts, which does take time, they just posted more false information. It's much faster and easier to post false information, than to look up actual facts. Trump and many of his supporters take great advantage of this. As they say, a lie makes it's half way around the world, before truth gets its pants on. Trump knows it's much faster and easier to lie, than get the truth out about his lies.
You're so hilariously hypocritical that I'm tempted to block you, but won't, because that would be a coward move
PSTo sum up fully... even beyond the legal/illegal angle is... we can only bring in a limited number of outsiders and foreign cultures.Within a limited number we can absorb it... beyond those numbers it damages our country.Many act as if half the South Ameruca should be allowed to move here if they want.That is suicide.
I don't think shooting is necessarily or smart, because of it would only cause an international outrage and a new war. It's better just deporting them and done. The US's president also speaks about a wall all the time, so hasn't people come to the solution already?
@curiousnorway A bullet is much cheaper than a return trip and the training for the armed forces is nice too.
Then other countries would wage war at your country if it does that, so it's not that simple.
@curiousnorway Oh but when it comes to taking these migrants in, nobody's here. If they want these migrants so much, why don't they take them? Why should we have any obligation to take these people in?
You are vile.You speak as if our country is all bad, you speak with pure racism... that "whites" are all bad.You deserve evil to befall your life.You are gross to the core.
No America is great my people built it an was the first one to did for this country and the main one fighting for this country. And excuse my racism I just watch central park 5 or fat white lady's calling cops on black people being shot in their homes. Listening to Ronald Reagan calls us monkeys.What I'm talking about is white supremacy over the world and why they're a lot of 3rd world countries because of the white man. Like I said Mexico wouldn't be as bad if the US didn't want it to be.
They aren't great people in general according to crime statistics, but illegals are by far the worst.
But most of them are devout Christians and hold socially and economically conservative views. They are also hard workers, have a vibrant culture, and are willing to do whatever honest work they need to for their families - they also have great family values. That is pretty great in my book.
*of the country people are immigrating to.
The US isn't that developed and just because of it should avoid involving in other conflicts making them just worse, it doesn't mean it should take in that many people. The US can barely take care of their own population, so taking in too many immigrants at too short amount of time and allowing illegal ones to stay won't improve the situation. The population would be too big, it takes time to integrate them all, give everyone an education, a job and to decrease the big gap between the rich and the poor. The US can't provide affordable healthcare, college or other welfare to the poor population, so how are they supposed to take care of foreigners if they can't take care of their own? The US has a big poor population. It also has a big imprisoned population.
You need to not make decisions based on emotions. There's a reason things are shit where they are, and they can bring those problems here and they do just that.
We already have welcomed much more than we should have in the EU. And we're not suffering the consequences.I'm not just talking about terrorism, it's a terrible consequence, but it's kinda "limited" I should say.I'm talking about communities that really don't integrate at all and want to impose their own values and beliefs on us. Communities that hates our countries so much that they go as far as openly attacking emergency services and firefighters, because they consider them as representative of that country. And every you have a new list of things they do, attacking people, drug dealing, murder, rape... It's not just one stuff here and there, it's constantly, every day.We made the mistake of welcoming them in high numbers, and now it's turning against us. No country should have any obligation to welcome anyone they don't need. It's a huge risk for the people living there.
Legal immigrants that have been here for centuries, yes.
What makes them legal?
They've come legally, registered, done honest work, file taxes, vote, and contribute to the country rather than take from it.
I was talking about the first people that came here and took the land from the native Americans. I like when people say illegal immigrants "take from this country" most work harder, longer and for less pay without any benefits (healthcare, vacation) whatsoever than many of the people who were born here and think because they were born here are somehow superior.
Those studies are inaccurate because they include legal immigrants, which isn't what I'm talking about. Illegal immigrants is what I'm talking about, they commit crime at a disproportionate rate, they abuse the system, don't pay taxes, and try to enforce their culture on our people. That's not okay at all.
I was just about to say something like that 😂
Well, the "visitors" are welcomed to wage a war and settle the matter the same way a number of tribes tried. I'd welcome such a contest.
What would you know about people taking jobs from others? I know you live with mommy and daddy who subsidizes you.
Actually, not that it is any of your business, but I work 40 hours a week and live with my dog but okay.
Sure you do.
Out of curiosity, how long do you think the line was then versus what it is now?
In America it needs to be stopped completely for several decades.
The best reform would be the reform no one wants to talk about... removing the incentive. Those who hire these people, pay them low wages under the table and avoid paying payroll taxes... the law should imprison these people and heavily fine them instead. That will cut the flow...
No, they're taking a lot more than they're giving, that's my problem with them