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Keep in mind the AR does not stand for automatic rifle. It's the name of the company that made the rifle. Here's some history.My uncle sent this in my e-mail."A hundred and twelve years ago, in 1907... our great grandparents were first able to buy the Winchester rifle pictured: The semi-automatic Winchester Model 1907. It remained in production until 1958.This is a gun they could buy from a Sears catalogue and have delivered via US Post. Without any sort of background checks - the HORROR! It was/is a semi-automatic, high powered centerfire rifle with a detachable, high capacity magazine (5 -, 10- or 20-rounds).About 400,000 of these were produced and sold before World War II. Civilians had hundreds of thousands of these semi-automatic rifles for 40 years, while US soldiers were still being issued old fashioned bolt action rifles.The 1907 fired just as fast as a modern AR-15, the second rifle pictured, or semi-automatic AK-47. The "bullet" (.351 Winchester) was actually larger than those fired by the more modern looking weapons! (The AR-15 fires a round of either.223 or 5.56mm, which is smaller, while the AK-47 fires a 7.62mm round which is roughly the same size). By the way, the "AR" in AR-15 stands for Armalite Rifle, the company which first manufactured it. It does not and has never stood for "assault rifle."The two rifles are functionally identical. The only differences between the 1907 and the controversial and much feared AR-15 is the modern black plastic stock, the carrying handle above the upper receiver, and a pistol grip behind the trigger housing, which aids only in steadying the weapon. It does not in any way increase the lethality of either the rifle or the round it fires. Cosmetics, in other words.To summarize: The semi-automatic so-called "assault rifle" is 110 years old. It isn't new in any way. The semi-automatic rifle was not a weapon of war. The government MADE IT a weapon of war 40 years after civilians had them, but added a fully automatic feature for military use - a feature which is unlawful and unavailable to civilian owners, and has been since 1938. The semi-auto can be safely owned by civilians. The proof is that literally 3+ generations of adults owned and used them responsibly since the early part of the 20th century and no one ever even noticed. Or cared."
I knew that. Informative for those that didn’t. The one thing you don’t address is the allure, for some, to own a weapon that looks like an assault rifle. For them the facts and history don’t matter.
Well I have 3. So obviously I support 2A. However I think what is missing in this who gun debate AR 15 debate is that a democratic society isn't suppose to be perfect nor perfectly safe. Writers of the Constitution knew that. Hence why they acknowledge a natural right to self preserve. Want to go to safe country, go to a dictatorship but keep in mind if you don't practice the right region or come from the right ethnic background, it's no bueno for you. And you have no rights or means to protect yourself. So it's a catch 22, safety or freedom. But if you believe in the rights of all people to live their lives, then you should acknowledge their right to self preservation. Even if they are a total asshat. There's plenty of people I've met that have way more guns ( or full carry permits, fyi I live in NY and it's nearly impossible where I live) and I think to myself that they Def shouldn't have guns. But I'm sure there's someone out there that may think that about me. But if I can have them, guess they can too.
It's not about the tool you carry - it's about the mentality of the people.I spent my childhood years in a region of the world that is very well-known to be among the safest region in the world. Solo female travelers can travel east to west, north to south, in the middle of the night, without having to worry about their safety. You can leave the keys in your car in case someone needs to shift it out of the way. Accidentally left your phone at the cafe? Go back 48-hours later and it'll still be there. Get drunk at a drinking session? You can just sleep it off on the street and no one will rob you. Again, it's not about the tools you carry.It's about the mentality of the people.Weak mentality, weak morals = Crime
All people are crazy or could easily revert to madness
It's a proven fact, in America, the more guns there are in a given area, the more people are killed by guns. In states with higher gun ownership, the more people die from guns. It's also a proven fact, that a gun in the home, is more likely to kill someone you love, than an intruder.
"It's a proven fact, in America, the more guns there are in a given area"The funny thing is, you are wrong.Texas, a gun toting state where anyone who is not prohibited from owning can legally have a loaded gun in his car, where walking around with a loaded long gun is legal without a permit, and shooting a vandal on your property after dark is legal has a murder rate of 4.6. Estimates are that over half of all US citizen households in Texas have at least one gun.Meanwhile Illinois, which has a large part of its population under gun ownership restrictions (the city of Chicago banned private ownership of guns until a few years ago), and has a far lower gun ownership rate than Texas has a murder rate of 6.9. Estimates are that only a quarter of Illinois residents have guns, which varies widely, with the higher ownership rates in lower crime counties compared to the high crime, lower ownership rate of Cook.West Virginia has a 54% gun ownership rate and a murder rate of 3.7.Maryland has a 20% gun ownership rate and a murder rate of 8.1.The data on gun ownership rate vs murder rate is all over the map. There is no correlation.What there is a very strong correlation with is between murder rate and percent of black people.
@WalterRadio : Chicago and other large cities have lots of guns, that come from states with lax gun laws. It's not the strict gun laws that bring the guns to these cities, but the lax guns laws from other states that allow so many guns in the cities. However, your statistics don't have much to do with what i said. I said, in America. in places where gun ownership is high, more people die from guns. That is just plain fact. So if the fact, that a gun in the home, is more likely to kill someone you love, than an intruder.
Gun ownership by state (of all residents, not just US citizens): worldpopulationreview.com/.../Crime by state: http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/You lose.
@WalterRadio L You are misrepresenting what I said. I was talking about where more guns are, more shootings take place. And when there is a gun in the home, it's much more likely to kill someone you love, than an intruder. Those are facts.
Guns do not kill anyone. People kill people.To successfully use a gun to stop a crime, one does not necessarily or usually even have to fire, let alone kill the criminal. If the crime is stopped, it is a successful use of a gun in defense.The mere fact that a significant part of the population has guns in the home reduces the number of home intruders while occupants are home. Criminals are concerned about meeting armed homeowners, and therefore, burglaries in heavily armed parts of the US tend to happen when no one is home, making everyone's personal safety better, gun owner or not.The facts I used indeed are the facts. There is no correlation between strictness of gun control laws or percent of gun ownership and murder rates.The only correlation variable that is notable is the percent of black people.
@WalterRadio : Frankly, 'the guns stops crime' is way overblown. Yes, guns do stop crimes at times, but that is relatively uncommon considering the amount of crime that takes place. And statistically, when a crime is committed, having a gun around doesn't stop the crime. Truth is, we don't have the best information on some of these issue, as Republican conservatives blocked gun research by the CDC. And you can bet, they didn't block research because the NRA believed what they would find, would help them.
It is not uncommon. I know plenty of people who stopped crime with a gun, with no shot being fired. The low end of the estimate is that guns are used over 200,000 times a year to stop crimes. The high end is several times that. That does not count the deterrence effect, such as at-home burglaries."when a crime is committed, having a gun around doesn't stop the crime"Sure it does. Sometimes it stops the criminal from ever committing another crime too."blocked gun research by the CDC"The reason it was blocked is because too many people are political and non-objective. I couldn't care less whether you wish to be an unprotected victim. But how dare you demand that I also be unarmed. I will not be a defenseless victim.A friend of mine, who had a gun within reach, but no warning, was murdered by a mentally ill man shooting at random people. He had earlier murdered another person who had plenty of warning, but no gun. If that first person had owned a gun, two innocent people would not have been killed.
@WalterRadio ; Frankly, I don't believe you know plenty of guys who have stopped crimes with guns. That's because statistically, it's uncommon. You may have been told they stopped a crime with a gun, but being told, and it actually happening, is very different. I've had discussion with guys who have stopped multiple crimes with a gun, without firing a shit. They all have been full of -----.
West Memphis, Arkansas. Approximately 1:30am, an unattended gasoline station. Guy pulls in and starts to fill up. A low-rider car turns into the station, two black males in their early 20's get out. They head towards the man from each side of his car. Man pulls back his jacket to reveal a legally carried.45 pearl handled Colt and places his hand on the grip, announces, "Gentlemen, I you may want to think carefully about your intentions". The two black males freeze in their tracks, one sputters, "We don't mean to do nothin" and then they run to the car and peel off.
@WalterRadio : I get it. Because it happens once in a while, you decide it happens all the time, millions of times. Do you see the sun rise in the morning? Do you then think it rises a hundred times a day? That's the logic you are using.
not everyone, as there are a lot of irresponsible assholes around the world, who would be too reckless with any firearm, i personally know some people i wouldn't trust to act responsible, even with a damned paper clip
You have got to be kidding me right I feel a lot more safer where I live where guns are banned no I'm not saying shootings don't happen because they do happen but the shootings that do happen are almost always targeted attacks meaning that it's usually people who are involved in some sort of crime that get shot or have their homes shot at
"shootings that do happen are almost always targeted"The US is the same way. About half of all murders are related to illegal drugs. The next biggest category are people that know each other, husbands and wives for example, then criminals in the act, such as robbery, burglary, and rape.Half of all murderers are black, even though blacks are only 12% of the population. Most of their victims are also black. The way the numbers work out is that a black person is about 8 times more likely to be murdered by another black person than by a white person. A white person is also more likely to be murdered by a black person she doesn't know than by a white person she doesn't know.Random mass killings are rare. On a per capita basis, there are more random mass killing events and deaths in France, Norway, and Belgium than in the US.
@WalterRadio there aren’t good stats on mass killings. For one thing studies wildly differ over what constitutes a mass.
Fortunately, there are a few people who do a diligent and objective job of researching the subject.papers.ssrn.com/.../papers.cfm?abstract_id=3238736
@WalterRadio That dude is a guns right activist writing for a "journal"/center that he is the president of. That doesn't sound biased to me!
The world (that is country) WAS a much safer place in the decades when automatic weapons were illegal.
The questions says EVERYONE though. That means the mentally ill and the irresponsible. Even if I have a gun, I don’t want to be forced into a position where’d have to use it.
@Freddy_D The whole argument that a proliferation of guns stops crime
@Freddy_D is not supported by any evidence. The more guns are in any society, the more crime. That's true most everywhere. The only places with more murder rates than the US all are saturated with guns. Countries that restrict weapons have much lower murder rates.
In the US, the last time a legally owned automatic weapon was used in a crime was about 60 years ago, and the owner was a police officer.
@WalterRadio Mass shootings are not crimes? A very strange perspective.
Read your statement, "a much safer place in the decades when automatic weapons were illegal."Automatic weapons have never been illegal across the US (they are in some states). They were invented in 1885. It wasn't until WWI that they became commonly used. There was a problem during prohibition with gangsters using them. As a result, the US passed a law that restricted them, but did not make them illegal to own. It has been about 60 years since a legally owned automatic weapon was used in a crime. The owner was a police officer, in Ohio I think, and if I recall correctly, the crime was some kind of robbery."Mass shootings are not crimes?"Yes, but in the US, the killers do not use legally owned automatic weapons. In Europe, there have been automatic weapons used in mass killings, but I do not know whether they were legally owned.
by the way, about half of all mass shooting in the US use only handguns.
In the middle ages in England men were legally obligated to shoot heavy war bows every Sunday or be fined. It should be the same today. Everybody should own at least 1 main battle tank and 5000 rounds of ammo.
seek mental help for you need it for asking such a stupid question here
Ya, anyone who would ask or answer this question is mentally ill! Agreed.
Nope, because that world require everyone not only to be trained in safety and how to operate them but everyone would need to have a passion for them.
why not just have everyone own a nuclear bomb? Then we'd all be so safe!
There are very few people that could afford a nuclear bomb.I knew some people who owned an ICBM, though.
I'm not sure how it would be safer, we have limited gun access where I live, you have to do police checks and licensing to even own one. If everyone owned one then what is stopping people shooting each other.
someone with humility! You are not sure, wow. So many people here are sure.
There would be no refugee-commited crimes on my watch, for sure.
Non-refugee murders would be ok?
It would be safer if guns didn't exist lol there is never going to be safety with guns tho
If a given society ever got rid of all of it's guns it would be conquer faster than you can say 'retard'.
@Monster_Recluse how? There would be no guns so it’d be more equal?
Let's say you got rid of all the guns in a country. Like totally you have government agents break into every house with a metal detector to find them. Than they melt all of them down.Well, there is a still another country right next to you that decides they don't want to do this and they have guns. You have no ways of defending yourself from them. What are you fucking expecting? That every country in the entire world get rid of every single gun? All it takes is ONE of them holding out (they could even lie about getting rid of them) and than you're going to get colonized.But lets go even more into why your thinking is stupid. Let's travel back in time to before guns existed. Was there 'equality' and 'peace'. No people attacked each other with spears and arrows and giant super powers such as Egypt, Persia, China, Rome, and Greece beat the crap out of neighbering barbarians.Ok you say let's get rid of ALL weapons. We go back in time to before the pointed stick was invented. Now there still war and inequality, it's about which tribe can punch the hardest or throw the biggest rock.Now let's go back even further to a time before humans ever existed. Guess what, there is still fucking war and inequality. Animals have teeth, claws, poison, and beaks and the one's with the best natural strength chase the others away from food and shelter.Even at the microscropic level the bacteria are at constant war with each other over who gets the tastier kelp, or protoplasm, or whatever they eat."Peace and equality" are fundamentally anti-nature which is why they will never be achieved. They are values that lead to enslavement and extinction.
I don't know about that but I want one anyway lolI'm pretty sure those guns are illegal here though.But those protesters over in Hong Kong could do with a few of those.
Yes, except the mentally challenged. The AR-15 is my baby.
what if everyone is mentally challenged? :o
Background checks must be enforced.
That won’t help if EVERYONE is mentally challenged
No everyone talks be but when its actually time to pull the trigger 90% of people can't do it
Firing a gun in self defense is rare. Usually, one only has to make known to the attacker that the victim has a gun.
Fuck no. Gun control people.
False, without a criminal background check.
No Bc every mad person would shoot someone
And every mad person would be shot by everyone else
And that's exactly how it should be
@Nachowedgie everyone would be dead though
No, very few would be, as there's very few mad people, as soon as they start acting up they'd be put down like the dogs they are
Lol your argument is like give nuke to every country in the world.
@Ray_Lala exactly, like we don't need everyone dead
I see you're illiterate, nevermind, conversation with people like you is impossible
Giving everyone a gun so bad people don't misbehave is no where near comparable to giving everyone nukes, you simply have to be retarded to even produce the thought of that comparison
@Nachowedgie okay then but here's the thing there are people willing to cross that line of shooting so it wouldn't matter after that
I am illiterate... I will pass goodluck shooting.
And they'll be put down by everyone else immediately, its really that simple, they wouldn't last 3 seconds
would it really though?
An armed society is a polite society.
my preferred rifle. yes please.
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