So the peole treating him like trash are not to blame for treating him like trash? Imagine saying that to a rape victim
Thats not what I said.
You're telling him to "pick himself up by the bootstraps" right? Yes you were praising another woman who saying how hard women have it and justified her victim mentality.
Look, I really wasn't trying to get into an argument. Society sucks. Who gives a shit. There's worse things going on around the world than this. I never praised anyone. I acknowledged that she said was funny.
I really don't understand how I "justified her victim mentality." Tf?
That had to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
She said men can't be forgotten since there are male world leaders, you Mean to tell me that because a man is in power that I personally get a the power he gets?
You're shoving words in my mouth.
Maybe the word is "neglected"
@Lightning8 everyone is neglected and ignored until they speak up and say what's bothering them. Women were suppressed and controlled by men for ages until they got together and started feminism. They fought and riled until they were heard and something was done. So if men feel that something is not done right they need to speak up.
Men and young boys are the ones that are treated like shit in the school system due to zero tolerance policies. Also policies such as the duluth model (which have been pushed by feminists) have pretty much screwed over men that are in abusive relationships and have kicked em to the curb. Men are punished for being masculine and called toxic while simultaneously being shamed for not being masculine. Men are the ones that are expected to sacrifice themselves for women and children. Also men get raped and assaulted too. Only difference is nobody gives a shit because men are considered disposable.
@DWD1994 100% agree with this
Women are not paid less though? In fact single women out earn single men. Women in modeling out earn men anywhere between 10x to 100x more. Women in Social work earn more then men, and women in STEM fields have higher starting pays then men do. This despite the fact that men statistically are more likely to work holidays, over time, call in sick less, and are more willing to move for higher payed work (i. e. unlike for women, their is no reason why men should be getting paid less in these fields then women). So women don't get paid less then men for the same work that was debunked the moment it was stated in the 70s, why repeat it over and over again as if its some how going to alter reality?www.thedailybeast.com/no-women-dont-make-less-money-than-menwww.theinclusionsolution.me/.../www.payscale.com/.../why-women-dont-negotiate-salary-and-what-to-do-about-itAs for men being forgotten, yeah, we are and we get treated like trash, why would you claim otherwise? I mean your hearing dismissing any and all claims men have, your insulting men as you write this so clearly whats being asked is true. For instance we know that 80% of the homeless are men: www.telegraph.co.uk/.../...mostly-impacts-men.htmlWomen are given far lighter sentences for commiting the same crimes as men: www.law.umich.edu/.../...r_gender_disparities.aspxStatistically women are far more likely to abuse their partner then men are yet we have laws and protocols specifically tailored to men being the aggressors instead of the victim: http://www.newscastmedia.com/domestic-violence.htmWomen are far more likely to be emotionally abusive then men yet society (like in all of these examples) presents it as if men are the ones who abuse and only show women as victims: www.medicaldaily.com/domestic-violence-against-men-women-more-likely-be-intimate-terrorists-controlling-behavior-290662jezebel.com/have-you-ever-beat-up-a-boyfriend-cause-uh-we-have-294383
When it comes to education despite the fact that we hear how we need more women to go to college and how women have 4x more scholarships and grants to get them into college (plus multiple other programs they can join to help them in this) men are only 37% of college graduates: www.admitsee.com/.../the-new-gender-gap-why-over-60-of-college-graduates-are-femaleNow when this was reversed it was deemed sexism was the culprit, but now that men are the ones who are getting screwed out of an education (due to the admitted feminization of education) its considered to be due to men just suddenly and inexplicably getting lazy (or stupid): www.theglobeandmail.com/.../Also the fact that boys actually out score girls on tests yet still are given lower grades simply because they are male: mitili.mit.edu/.../...on-Paper-2016.07-Terrier.pdfwww.thetimes.co.uk/.../gender-bias-among-female-teachers-could-hold-boys-back-experts-warn-9rk6z29dqThen of course you have the suicide issue (where every woman mentions how women attempt it more even though they do not as most consider it more of self harm not attempted suicide hence male suicides being almost 80% of all suicides (its not that hard to kill yourself.): https://www.webmd.com/depression/depression-menThen you have the fact that women rape men at comparable rates yet no one talks about it yet in the media and society all act as if only men rape and only women can be victims (yet again): www.usatoday.com/.../Then you have the fact that 97% of all workplace accidents and deaths are male: www.inside-man.co.uk/.../
and of course this is usually argued that its because men are "stupid" because as always everything is men's fault and couldn't possibly be because men are expected to do all the hard jobs that allow society to run because women still expect men to earn more money then them and take care of them despite women's claims of "equality": ifstudies.org/.../This is particularly interesting as women have actively sabatoged men when it comes to earning more then turn around and demand that men earn more. Hell even your claim about rape is completely false as rape is rare and it affects men just as much as women (you being afraid of it happening has nothing to do with its probability): www.baltimoresun.com/.../...cs-20140928-story.htmlpublicintegrity.org/.../On top of that almost all victims of violent crimes are men: www.news.com.au/.../a806d6746d9c1dc9300f9ca2e4aa259cMen are not called whores, they are called fuckboys players etc. They are also shamelessly objectified by women who claim its okay when they do it but a man who looks at a woman who wears revealing clothes is some how akin to assault and rape: www.elitedaily.com/.../1106317jezebel.com/why-shameless-objectification-can-be-a-good-thing-5572097I mean everything you stated is just evidence that men are treated like trash, you blame them for everything, dismiss their mistreatment and pain and then claim victimhood even when you have more rights and privileges then any other group. So yeah, what he asked is absolutely accurate and unlike what your claiming, we actually have more then opinions to back it up, we have actual statistical data and sources (multiple ones) to prove beyond any doubt that men are mistreated by society (and of course you will dismiss all of them and continue to do the very thing you claim isn't happening (because that's what women like you do).
I never said that men didn't experience those things, women just experience them more. Did you also know women are most likely to get PTSD? Depression? Stress? I don't care for whatever statistics you've pulled up that justify directly your side.
"I never said that men didn't experience those things, women just experience them more. Did you also know women are most likely to get PTSD? Depression?"How do you know they experience them more? You realize men are much less likely to ask for help so that easily skews statistical data. Especially when it comes to abusive relationships. With abusive relationships, there is little incentive for men to report the abuse because of programs in place like the duluth model which end up punishing men and treating them as the aggressors even when they're the victim.
If you looked it up, you could find sources.
@Randomawkwardness... I feel as though... you didn't actually read these comments and their provided links to evidence.
Yeah women are more likely to get PTSD in certain situations because men are biologically wired to withstand it (as we have been the ones sent off to fight and die for the entirety of our species existence), so what? Your arguing biological, I'm pointing out statistically provable facts (which is why your dismissing them because you know damn well you can't argue against them) showing that SOCIETY mistreats and forgets men's issues (which are all solvable (we also have no reproductive rights unlike women and very few paternal rights unlike women)). Your just wrong and you can't handle that fact because then you would have to admit that not only are women not victims but that they (provably) have it better then men do. If you did that how could you ever manipulate men and society to keep giving you all these privileges? Well you couldn't, so your going to pretend it doesn't exist. Not going to make the truth go away of course.
@Lightning8 She didn't, it would kill the narrative she relies on to feel empowered (through victimization of all things).
Your sources are all either opinion pieces, completely misleading as your elite daily source says exactly the opposite of what you typed or super biased. Really all you've done is decided on a point you thought would work and found supporting sources - regardless of authenticity.www.mayoclinic.org/.../art-20047725www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5632782/https://www.thehotline.org/resources/statistics/www.prisonpolicy.org/articles/notequal.html - yes I will admit more men get incarcerated than woman. But do you know more blacks than any other race are jailed? Have you ever considered maybe there is something wrong with the justice system? https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=955 - exactly like I said, we are more worried about rape. It doesn't matter if it's a low chance or not, it could still happen.
So your going to disregard what I said, even though all of them are backed by evidence (sources in the links) then prove me wrong by posting links to things that I never argued against (I confirmed that women are more likely to get PTSD, as I mentioned men have evolved better coping skills because they where the ones who where forced to fight and die. So you posting a link saying the same thing I stated (or ignores the reality i. e. women are more depressed, okay but men are more likely to self medicate and 4x more likely to blow their brains out. Clearly self reporting doesn't give us a full picture) doesn't disprove my statement and again, your arguing a biological fact as being evidence of social mistreatment even though again, your arguing against biology which society has no power over (again proving that your goal is to be a victim because women benefit from being victims (because society cares about women more then men and will actually give over more and more power and resources and privileges and rights over to women so long as they play victim).
As for the incarceration rate yeah more men then women, also as I pointed out women get far less sentences if sentenced at all, compared to men simply because they are female. Also blacks are more likely to be incarcerated because blacks commit 50% of all murders in the US and over 70% of all violent crimes and robberies (and commit hate crimes at over twice the rate as their white counterparts) and are also more likely to be repeat offenders etc. etc. Rather meaningless statement. Kind of like how you claim that because their are biological differences between men and women that it some how represents women as being oppressed, it completely misses the mark entirely ignoring social aspects of incidents personal responsibility (like how women claim that only a man is responsible when a woman gets pregnant even though we are told women are equals and they can make their own decisions (except when it comes to her having sex at which point she magically loses her ability to make the personal decision to have sex without a condom and therefore cannot be held accountable for the consequences of her actions (which holds true for pretty much every single choice women make if the outcome is negative, only men can be held accountable never women (because again, you would lose your victim status and then have to be treated as an actual equal instead of getting the best of both worlds, the privileges of the protected and the advantages that come with being an equal).
As for your rape comment, how exactly is it exactly as you said? As I pointed out all the data shows its highly improbable even if you make believe that all actions are equal, that all women are equally likely to be raped in all age groups and demographics and all choices are equally likely to result in it. As I pointed out you can be afraid of it all you want, I can't control your paranoia and society isn't responsible for your feelings, but that has no baring on the likelihood of the event happening. I mean that's like arguing that women are more likely to be eaten alive by zombies because you happen to be afraid of that happening. Sure you can be afraid of it if you want but its not going to alter the reality that its not going to happen. Again, can't blame society for something it has no control over, whether that be biology, your actions or your emotions. So again, you are wrong across the board and have just proven my point, you WANT to be a victim so bad that your willing to do anything to keep that status even ignore reality. Men are mistreated by society, you are proving that. 80% of suicides are male, that's actual people dying so your response is to claim that women feel bad more often though so we should ignore those dead bodies and focus on your feelings. I point out that 80% of the homeless are male, you argue that women are afraid of things that are not likely to happen so we should ignore the millions of men who are living in the streets. Your privileged beyond measure and your terrified of losing all of it by acknowledging men's issues. So not only are you bad at arguing a point, your just a bad person too.
Hey at least I can spell right and know my 'your' from 'you're'. But seriously, I'm not privileged. You can't say that men are poorer off because of society pressure regarding the more pills and suicides and then say that woman are only depressed because of biology. I posted links to things I had said before or things you mentioned, your links are wrong. From what I saw, only one or two were from legit sources and not opinion articles. You can literally go through and see the huge 'OPINION' marking they put at the top. With the bit on the justice system, I was remarking on the corruption of it. I don't think people are born inherently bad and saying one race is just designated to commit more crimes of this and that is outrageous. Have you considered that maybe the justice system is skewed? You know, the whole racism thing? Women don't claim only the man is responsible in getting someone pregnant, it obviously takes two to tango. As for the condom, sometimes a women doesn't have control over that. Haven't you heard of men slipping the condom off in the middle? I know that I wouldn't notice and it happens to people a lot. Like I said, you can't sit there and talk about how there's a difference in biological issues and societal and then compare the same exact issue between men and women. Trying to disprove how someone feels by saying it's just biology but then saying if a guy felt that way then its society pressure, is wrong. I acknowledge mens issues but I'm not going to belittle myself for you. I know that some things needs improvement but guess what, who doesn't? I'm not going to listen to some guy moan about how terrible he has it when women have always had it worse. That would be like comforting a king for losing a few jewels.
"I'm not going to listen to some guy moan about how terrible he has it when women have always had it worse. That would be like comforting a king for losing a few jewels."Here we go with the oppression olympics. Men can't even have a thread for themselves without women derailing it and trying to make it about themselves.
Sweetie all I did was disagree with men being forgotten by the media and made sarcastic comments. It's not my fault you came in and replied to my comment trying to argue with me. If anyone is trying to win who has the most oppression, it would definitely be you. Maybe if you don't want a womans input in something then uh don't comment on what they said
Spelling is irrelevant and a pretty bad attempt to dismiss my statements which are backed up by scientific and statistical data (plus every single one of your anecdotal experiences and mine as well (as your own actions prove)). Also yeah, your insanely privileged as I pointed out through statistics not to mention all the legal rights afforded you due to being a woman that is not afforeded to men (none of which you where able to prove wrong (you only got angry and tried to dismiss statements (as per usual)). I also never suggested women are more depressed because of biology, I don't think your paying attention to what is being said at all are you? I stated you cannot claim that women are more depressed then men but have men be far more likely to self medicate with drugs and be far more likely, again, about 4x more likely, to commit suicide. What is being claimed is not what is matching the actions and to ignore that inconsistency is rather idiotically stupid. I think women are depressed because they have been told only to think of themselves and no one else, to ignore their biological drives etc. In that regard yes women do have social issues but they where self inflicted for the most part. But again, never said depression was due to biology, I stated women being more prone to PTSD is biology as they where not the ones who where routinely sacrificed for the "greater good" like men where and as such never evolved a mechanism with which to cope with the horrors of war and sacrificing of ones life and well being for others. Two very different things. Also you can go through the links and see the big LINKS in the articles to studies done so the fact that you would ignore that just goes to show that you know what is being said is true, you just don't like it so your going to try and pretend like it doesn't exist so you can keep being pampered and privileged by playing the victim.
Here, I'll go and repost all the links provided in the article so you can't claim "opinion" anymore, will that help? Of course it won't because again, the issue isn't the information, its the fact that the information challenges your world view and that is the last thing you want because again, you being a victim brings you power and privilege you would never have if you actually acted like an equal (you cannot justify abortions if your as responsible for getting pregnant as he is, you cannot justify women having preferential treatment when it comes to parental rights if you are an equal to men, you cannot justify laws that strip men of their reproductive rights if you are an equal etc. etc. etc.). So here are the links (because your to terrified of the idea of being wrong to do this yourself): journals.sagepub.com/.../1948550611415693Here is a link to an article written by an economist and professor (let me guess he doesn't count because he doesn't say exactly what you want him to say): fee.org/.../www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6308a1.htmajph.aphapublications.org/.../AJPH.2005.079020www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3713619/So that's some of the direct studies so now I'm sure your going to admit that you where wrong all along, now that we are not dealing with "opinions"(even though they linked to most of the studies or cite them in the articles). Right? Your going to admit being wrong now that I have provide you with the data, then provide it again in the format that you demanded, right? Oh wait, no, you won't because again, ideology matters more to you then truth.
I'm not going to say I'm wrong just to boost your little ego. I stand by what I believe especially considering it has nothing to do with what you're arguing. I think it's great that you're such a social justice warrior for men but maybe try arguing to someone who is first of all, a legal adult, and actually cares.
Oh I know your not going to say your wrong, you are and its been shown to be the case but you will NEVER admit to it because that would mean you would have to admit being wrong about most everything else, being a victim, your feminist ideals, the idea that women are uniquely mistreated and oppressed etc. That's to much a part of your identity for you to let go even in the face of the absolute truth. You don't stand by what you said because its right, your not standing by it because its moral (it most definitely isn't), your going to continue to stand by it because you are to weak to let your ideological beliefs go in the face of the truth. I just wanted to show that this was the case. This has nothing to do with ego, I honestly don't have an ego when it comes to these things, people admitting to the issues means we can solve the problem and in this case the people that need to admit to the problem are women and they simply refuse to do so because they have to much to lose by admitting that they are not oppressed that men are not the enemy and that they are in fact privileged by the simple fact that they are women.
Again, all I wanted to do is speak the truth and show WHY you refuse to acknowledge this, that its got nothing to do with the veracity of the argument but rather YOUR ego. You are a coward, you make a claim and you insult men, then you try and lie about the facts, then you dismiss them, then you try to attack me rather then the argument, then when all of that fails you try to hide behind victimhood (as I said you would do), that your "just a little girl" despite the fact that my grandfather was off killing Nazis only a few years older then you are now. You threw the proverbial first punch but then decide to cower behind your age. I don't play that game. Also you do care, that's why you responded and that's why you put this much effort into your attempt to dismiss (because that's all you could do) my statements. As for the social justice remark, again, an attempt to insult and "hurt" me because you cannot argue against what I have said (because you can't argue with the truth), its also wrong as I am speaking the truth and their is no such thing as social justice, their is only justice and doing whats right.
Do you just get off on insulting me or something? I didn't mean the social justice warrior comment as bad and somehow you turned it bad and then started insulting me. I've tried to end this thing and it would seem that you just can't let it go. I made the comment about legal age because someone of legal age could actually do something. I'm trying to graduate high school and I don't have time for people like you who want to call me a coward and say I lie. If you want to continue sending long paragraphs and nit pick everything I say and insult me, go ahead. I'm just not going to respond anymore. So good luck with all the problems you mentioned, it obviously isn't going to get any better if you're just going to argue about it but you do you.
I've not insulted you at all? All I've done is state an absolute fact. You ARE afraid to challenge your beliefs, I have presented scientific and statistical data, data that shows conclusively that what you said is wrong and you have insulted me (I don't particularly care mind you, its not like I know who you are or have any real reason to care about your opinion of me) in order to avoid acknowledging this fact. That makes you a (intellectual) coward. That is an observation and fact. Now if you think that's an insult its only because you believe that you are unable to change, something that is entirely false. You can choose to do what is right or you can choose to do what is wrong, you can choose to accept the facts and the truth or you can choose to cling to an ideology because you find it easier then asking questions, you can choose to acknowledge being wrong and making mistakes in order to better yourself OR you can choose to pretend like you didn't say anything that was provably wrong (you did) and continue doing the same crap you have been doing. Either way I've not determined your worth, your actions have determined it and I have merely pointed it out, you can choose to see that as me attacking you if you want OR you can choose to see that as me calling you out so that you can look at yourself, your actions, to do some self reflecting and hopefully become a better and wiser person.
That's your choice to make but again, its not an insult its an assessment you can choose to do with it what you will (but I would point out that if I said nothing and let you keep speaking things that are untrue then nothing would change, presenting you with evidence and data proving that what you where saying is wrong resulted in you getting angry and defensive and dismissing what was stated, I then provided you with a more "refined" source which you dismissed. What other option would I have to reason with you beyond simply openly and bluntly pointing out your lies (the ones you tell yourself)? If their is a better option to get you to actually look at yourself and self reflect then by all means I'd like to hear it (I exhausted all other options (just like last time we got into it).
What you said above is half the battle. I was never that crap you described. But in many cases that is still not good enough.
@westwordbound What do you see as the biggest issue?
Our digitized society makes everybody feel entitled to a perfect, beautiful partner. We constantly see happy good looking people on social media. We are constantly being told the we aren’t good enough. Young women are really susceptible to this (even middle aged woman). They feel like they got to constantly “test” men. I personally have a good job (make over 100k), do side work, own real estate, manage property, workout everyday (still got abs) have some side hobbies and an interesting past. I still got my hair. I’m a retired pro mma fighter. All that said above is STILL not enough for many women. I’m so busy I come off as dull and boring. I’m Supposed to have to time to hit up social events all the time, travel and be a funny and charming. This is not for model looking women either. Semi pretty, average women expect this.
I'd rather not lay down my life for women they have what they got an they're on their own because it is basically stepping on a landmine because of what feminism has done and they got everything they have been wanting but I will never risk my life and fund them for them to live there princessy life because It takes one step and then you're whole lives are destroyed by a single accusation and I will never do anything for a woman. I don't trust them anymore
Hmmmm... I guess my own experiences with women have been more positive than some. Not at all minimizing your own experiences, just saying mine have been different.Now, I will admit that I've been almost paranoidly careful around women I don't know and COMPLETELY trust because of the new accusation fears going around. Which is sad cuz I like to joke around & playfully flirt sometimes. And as far as I can remember, they have all flirted & played back. And BOTH sides enjoyed it.Lemme be clear: I said "playful"... NOT pervy & disrespectful. Playful is respectful & not creepy.Now, I'm pretty dang cautious about that because I'm scared to death someone's gonna misinterpret it & brand my ass with a big, red #metoo. So now, BOTH sides (male & female) miss out on having playful, light-hearted fun.Do NOT misunderstand. I support women who have been abused 10,000%. I even work with an organization that helps them heal, which is not an easy process. Unfortunately, like everything else, a few crazy ones are ruining it for thousands and thousands of real ones.
I completely agree with above.
Thank you for MHO! 😁
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Exactly good thing men have invented a word of those meaningless cunts... disgusting SLUTS
The Feminist movement is digging the grave for Women's "rights".
The statistics say that women have usually been happier than men over at least the past 40 years to a century. And I feel as though, at least right now, this isn't so much backlash; it's more being sick and tired of no one actually being sensitive to the male experience. Have not men had women's backs even during times of oppression and when the time to overcome arrived? Those men quieted themselves and let women tell their truth, and then they acted in service of women's truth. But now boys are in crisis, and men's mental/emotional even sometimes physical quality of life is such that they are not only the vast majority of suicides, but approach the highest record of suicide ever. And today this is just dismissed as "mansplaining" or being somehow "misinformed about women's issues". That feels suffocating and isolating. It's just another man or woman telling a male to just "man up". "Man up" is an ok motto by the way, just not as a tactic to dismiss.
So what I'm saying is I think some males get understandably frustrated due to a longstanding, predictable and seemingly insurmountable wall of misunderstanding.
@Lightning8 Reading through what you have said I have to agree on some of your points. I do think that boys and men are struggling emotionally. I've noticed that boys take a relationship break up much harder than girls. They seem to be missing coping skills. About 10 years ago I started to see a shift in the boys in my preschool classes I taught at the local gym. They were having much harder time with social skills, listening and would have melt downs over not getting what they wanted or when we had to do transitions. I was wondering what was causing it. What I started observing was some moms sabotaging their boys' independence. They would say he's too young to understand when he was 3 years old or not making them listen to me when I gave instructions. I had one mother basically tell me that her son didn't have to listen to me because it was a play class and she was the only one who could tell him what to do. One child showed up with a pacifier in his mouth (3). I always wanted boys to be sensitive, kind and understanding and to play with whatever they wanted to even if it was dolls but to expect less of a boy makes no sense to me. I knew that couldn't be right because when I taught the same age group back in the 80s the boys could function just fine. The part about women having men's back. It has really got me thinking. I'm going to have to be more diligent about that even though I really don't have any men in my life right.
It seems men have been forgotten... just by me. I forgot that I'm a Stadard & Poor's 500 CEO and used to be one of the presidents.
But SOCIAL MEDIAL dont treat women like trash, maybe the conservatives...
Woman are not as Villified as white middle aged men right now woman are actually empowered right now and there being manipulated into Villifiying the white males don't get me wrong woman have there own set of issues and problems they should be dealing with but they as most of society have beneficiaries into this fake as fuck LEFTY - RIGHT bullshit to pit the citizens who understand what's really going on just like how a CONSPIRACY THEORIST got villified to those CRAZY CONSPIRACY THEORISTS it's all about mass manipulation on society and they are the masters of it since the establishment of the first major city... so in closing don't believe a word of what you hear on the T. V cause whycyouthibkthey named it is... TELL LIE VISION PROGRAMING FOR THE HUMAN COMPUTER!!! they been programming humans since the ancient times and they are all family in one way or another !!
You really should be more sensitive. You don't know what you're talking about.
Of course notWhat would you like to hear? That all men are forgotten and victims?
@eila7 if you're addressing me then what do you mean by "of course not"? Of course not what?Lol I think you're getting ahead of yourself. Maybe ask what leads men to think that way, since you're not a man and thus don't have any experience as one to reference.
I'm sick of people victimising themselves over stupid shit when there are people suffering way worse. Maybe you should take your own advice.
Yea, as if those powerful men actually are doing things for the majority or normal regular fucking guys. Women make it seem that "oh well a guy is President that makes all guys more powerful" in reality the big strong alpha men that making demands and calling the shots are in it for themselves.Yes a select few men have it the best in the world. Yet the majority of women have it better in terms of finding a partner and support in life than the majority of guys.That small percentage of men have it the best, but the majority of men have it tougher than the majority of women. Women have been making more and more money which is great, however the still expect to have a partner who makes more and "protects them and makes them feel feminine"
@eila7 ah, like when you assume things about people because you feel victimized by their apparent "victim mentality"
@Lightning8 I understand you... (Illuminati)
Ifs actually very apparent but ok
Fine, so we have male leaders, how does that help me?
You're victimizing you're self saying how men ALLL are enjoying this high of success and winning. It's not all fucking men, it's SOME and it's men that WOMEN validate
Tell em. Bring back manhood.
Exactly most girls want a man who takes charge
There are men who do all that and still have a hard time.
I think we are unmotivated, the prize at the end of the tunnel appears to be divorce and getting ur income stolen
And girl then accuses him for harassment
Nothing wrong with play videogames, women need to stop judging
@itsneamy some incel talking points here. A real man rolls with the punches, adapts, and moves forward. Doesn't blame women or society for not valuing him. That's what makes men great. They better themselves, they create, they fix problems. They don't whine and say "oh we're just unmotivated" then stay your ass back and don't complain that no one wants you. That's the problem. Too many guys are soft. They forgot what it means to be a man.
@LordSnuggles Self actualization isn't unique to men; any human seeks that. However, we're also very social creatures and have evolved this far by banning together and solving each others' problems. That makes being isolated with our problems often cancerous.
I got a problem of isolation. I’m definitely moderately successful and independent. But I could do more
In what way specifically?
Everyone always treated me like a glass doll, afraid they would "break" me. And when something happened that I wasn't prepared for, it did "break" me. Because they couldn't throw me away like the destroyed little doll they think I am, I am valued as unwanted trash. And that's just the part with my family...
I'm not sure what you mean by 'glass doll'. Do you mean people would hide the truth from you because they felt it would hurt you?
Yeah, let's leave it at that...
Im sorry /:
It's not your fault
There’s a difference between someone with power, and the average man on the street.
True, yet of the ones with power, they've hardly been forgotten and treated like trash.
So when a guy attacks a woman, the attacker is the blamed. Makes sense to me.When a man is a attacked by a woman he should ignore it and be the bigger person. Really?
@Armourdillo NO, nobody has ever said that a man attacked by a woman is 'blamed for it'. Men are psychically stronger, which makes the attack easier to avoid, but not less traumatic of course.
Nice double standard cunt
@alex_x988 You are a misogynistic and uneducated, clearly. You know nothing about me. Have fun hurling insults at strangers over the internet!
@xyz94 lol this insecure whore just got her stinky cunthole exposed and is crying like a wimp hiding her fucked face in her moma's lap and pussy
No choice of what?
HAND IN YOUR MAN CARD SON... LMFAO
Sorry I was face deep in pussy. What’d you say?
Yes as targets
Not really, media is mainly women. Look how men are portrayed in media, weak pussified, dumb, ignorant etc. There is no sitcom where the father isn't a bumbling fool. Men in politics are viewed as devils, while women politicians who are in the media every 2 seconds are saviors. Even look at the new Star Wars, or John Wick movies, they had to put in a "badass" woman character. Movies that were classically for men.
@updog45 Star Wars has always had a leading female role somewhere 🤷🏻♀️
@updog45 Rey isn’t really the best example.
@updog45 It’s probably because of the way women were and still sometimes are portrayed in media by men, for men. Basically a lot of the times women were seen as eye candy.. dressed or acted a certain way in order to solely please heterosexual male viewers.. such as showing some cleavage or repeating the same slutty dialogue, nothing more than a Mary Sue.
Psh, try to have a movie for men. What about Dunkirk, everyone was throwing a tantrum because it was all white men, which is historically accurate.
@updog45 Despite recent pushes for diversity in Hollywood, there’s still a reoccurring trope of lead straight/white males.. but considering it’s historically accurate, the backlash isn’t really necessary.
@updog45 As far as men in politics, it’s mostly the strictly conservative ones that rake in the most shit.
Men in politics get all the shit unless they pander to the extreme left.
Are you fucking retarded? Look up how harsh women judge men vs the opposite on online dating
@Armourdillo Online dating is not the real world and is not everything. There are STATISTICS for the income discrepancy between men and women in the same career, and sexual harassment and assault women face, which is a direct result of misogyny. I think you are the one who is retarded.
Money is not the real or anything, dumb dyke
No matter how much you make you make you wouldn't date a man who makes less. Women who make more, date men who make more than them. You don't want an equal partner, you want better. Cunt
@Armourdillo You are clearly so uneducated and/or stupid, probably both. I am straight, not a dyke, but that's irrelevant anyway. (1) You have just made two statements founded on NO EVIDENCE. (2) Money is real - men earning more than women for the SAME JOB is unequal and unfair, and there's no good reason for it! (3) "No matter how much you earn, you want a man who earns more". There is no evidence whatsoever that women do this. Yes, most people - men included - date someone of a similar economic status, but there are lots of women who do earn more than their husbands/boyfriends.
Sadly this is the case. There is a stigma in being a white male in the United States. I'm black and I notice this!Now we have white men who've been taught they're the sole reasons of the woes of the world when every culture in every color has had a bloody history with things we'd like to think didn't happen.This leads to a need for white guys to "atone" and apologize for being white nowadays and for being men, because modern feminism has lead society to look at them as the source to womens problems as well. So we have white men that do their damndest to "look right" in society by apologizing on behalf of his race and gender. Especially on television and hollywood. These preachy talk shows are full of them.
Its also the liberal politicians that go out of there way to put down any strong male doesn't matter what color you are and the dems are to blame for so many fatherless homes. social media is to blame for shaming anyone that stands while peeing your to blame for everything and if your a white male oh god you should hand over everything that you worked for because its our fault for everything. hate crimes so when a group of white men or boys beat the crap out of a minority doesn't matter what nationality you are its automatically a hate crime but you reverse it no its not. how is it not the same damn thing?Thank you for noticing it.
You guys need to pack your bags and head to the east then.
@Fey18 I am sending you to Siberia.
Fey18 how rude and repulsive of you 🤣🤣😂
To me it feels like we are misunderstood and judged wrongly by our society and feminism is what has brought up a shift in society causing society to treat us wrongly and turn a blind eye to our problems.
That doesn't mean men haven't also been treated badly though.
Yeah, it's no big mystery. I am constantly amazed that these kind of guys can't understand that the quality of their life is directly proportional to what they put out there. Put out good, get good back. It's not rocket science.
@Fey18 Well except that isn't true. Men are openly descriminated against in every category. We have fewer rights then women do as well (No reproductive rights at all, no rights when it comes to "genital integrity" i. e. its illegal to circumcise a woman but perfectly legal to circumcise an infant boy against his will, we have to sign up for selective services to get the right to vote something women do not have to do, we have next to no rights as it pertains to our genetic material (hermsman vs seyer determined that no matter the circumstances a male is always responsible for paying child support. In this particular case that male was a 12 year old boy who was forced to pay child support to his rapist, his 18 year old babysitter. We would never allow something like that if the genders where reversed) etc. etc.).
@Fey18 Not suggesting their isn't room for personal development but it is true that men are absolutely treated like trash when they are not outright ignored (80% of suicides are male, 80% of the homeless are male, 37% of college graduates are male (despite the fact that boys get the same or better scores girls consistently get better grades in school which doesn't help this fact) etc. etc.).
@hellionthesagereborn Men are not discriminated against in any way. You have EVERY right not to put your penis in a woman and not make her pregnant. Once you do, you have to suffer the consequences of whatever is to come because you've given her the responsibility of a child. There are no laws that discriminate against men. As for circumcise take that up with your parents, it's not our fault your parents are religious or dumb. I'm blocking and muting you now because I'm not interested in having conversations with MGOTW idiots.
Fallacy. Relationships will tell you that.
@Fey18 And women have every right not to have a penis put in them, but they also have the right to abort a child if its convient for her to do so. That's called a right that men don't have. Also I pointed out that women have a right to rape children and then force them to pay them child support, kind of a big point you completely ignored. See that's how people like you work you claim we are all equal, which is fine but then when it comes to responsibility you can't back peddle fast enough. If he is responsible for having unprotected sex then by extension if she is an equal she must also be responsible for not having unprotected sex yet your claiming he is the only one responsible for that meaning she must therefore not be equal to a man, she must inherently be less then a man. So which one is it? Are women inferior to or equal to men? As for circumcision I was pointing out the legal aspect of it, which you completely ignored (its a right that women have that men do not). As your behavior has shown, I was in fact correct and you know it and that's why you got angry and ran away, because you can't face reality or the facts (everything I stated is provably true). I'm also not MGTOW, I understand their stance I just don't think its the solution to the problem (a man shouldn't cut all women out of his life, he should reward women that do good and remove the ones that do not (just like women should be doing for men)).