Like George Carlin used to say, the planet is going to be just fine. WE'RE fucked.
@MoscowMitch George Carlin is an overrated cringe fest.
@ActiveSh1tter nice name
Yes dear, it's called ego.
@ActiveSh1tter HEY!! Seriously, never profane the Good Man, George Carlin! He was a cutting edge comedian, and he fought through a lot of judgement, and BS, but he was always for Freedom of Speech!In the US, we don't have the concept of 'Knighting' a person that contributed so much to society, humor, and our culture! I think he should be known as "Master, Carlin", for his decades of work in the craft, and his excellence, just making us laugh, and question hypocrisy, invasions of our privacy, and our Freedoms under the First Amendment!
@ActiveSh1tter George Carlin was smarter than you could ever hope to be ! lol
@loveslongnails So why the hate? What did I say that offended you so?
Um.,... I don't believe the comment was directed at you, but at ActiveSh1tter
@ActiveSh1tter You're an overrated snowflake.
@JackSmy>a person that contributed so much to societyHahaha the only thing he contributed was cringe. He talks like a guy who thinks he's clever and funny but in reality is basically a retard. It's kinda sad actually. What's even sadder is some people quote this 2-dimensional loser like he's Jesus.
@loveslongnails Sorry, if I misunderstood the chains! George was amazing!
massively is the answer to that... its the oldest denial argument there is but its clear that human action has massively accelerated things to a degree where most species can't adapt and levels where even the air we breathe is poisoned
The rise in global temperatures since the industrial revolution is far greater and faster than can be put down to natural processes.The Earth fluctuated greatly in temperatures, CO2 levels etc - but when it changed it was generally slow and when it was fast it led to mass extinctions.
@Gods_Gift we never had the tools to measure temperature before the industrial revolution so any trends that are given before than are not accurate measurements and should not be taken into account unless they are at a scale where it is noticable in the rock. For example snowball earths or multant rock earths. The earths surface and atmosphere have had massive changes in the billions of years that the earth has existed. Its been a snoball, its been magma there has also been times when the poles werent actuall deserts as they are now. As the icecaps retreat (as they have been since before the creation of the great lakes) the boreal forest moves north meaning what was once ice and snow is now the largest freash water system in the world with beautiful green forest and beavers putting lakes where they aren't supposed to be. Also amazing cottage country.
But that's not what's causing the recent warming.
@Ad_Quid_Orator Please post your scientific references, like peer-reviewed science journals, supporting that statement. Thank you! :)
Thanks for the MHO
It won't affect most people. Only the ones who live on the beach, and that's a couple centuries from now.
@ActiveSh1tter lol no, the heat makes the ice melt, the ice melting makes the water level rise. The summer temperatures will rise and the winter periods will shorten. The increase in heat will dry out the land and while precipitation will increase in some places that doesn't mean the land will be okay because when land gets really dry it's unable to soak up water quickly like normal ground and with how much rain is coming flooding will get worse. Even in places that flooding isn't as common. more rain and more heat mean more humidity which means more bugs and mosquito's. Dry lands and forests have a much higher chance of wildfires and less water to be able to put them out with, less water in general for people to use.
@zollo accept for the fact that when ice melts it doesn't just stay where it is as a liquid as the heat rises and becomes more himid the world will become more lush. Ocean currents will stop causing the poles to remain cool and possible even frozen. At most temperate like how the us is. Weather would be more tame because hot air creates high pressure systems and major storms are cold fronts/air masses. The land will not become universilly dry in some areas sure but in fact the dryest place on earth will likely become tropical.
@Codywow you are mistaken. Climate change will negatively affect everyone.
How many environmental science, meteorology and physics classes have you taken?
Have you done any research of your own?
@Codywow I've been researching and learning about climate change since you were in diapers.
@Codywow Yeah bud I don't think you've taken any environmental science, meteorology and physics classes either soooooo. I can kind of understand where your coming from because water helps plants grow so more water means more plants right? But like I said, an overall rise in heat won't just make ice melt, it dries out the ground. When the ice melts the water doesn't just immediately even out across the whole world because if it did then places would never flood in the first place. If you go to the dessert and pour a bunch of water in it that won't do shit, not to even mention that if the dessert was able to become a lush biome The natural plants and animals would be wiped out and it's not like rain forest animals are gonna fly halfway across the glob to a former dessert to inhabit a new forest unless they were transported by humans. And without animals the rain forest wouldn't even survive.
@Codywow Your 17 so that means your still in high school right? I took an environmental science class when I was in high school and it was the most basic shit, stuff you'd of already learned. But the kicker here is that we learned bout global warming so if you yourself having taken this class I don't understand how this just bypassed you?
@zollo im not denying climate change and I do take college courses dispite my age. I've taken environmental science, physics (highschool aswell as ground school and areospace courses), and I've taken meteorology. Its ageist to believe that someone of my age (whitch is an adult where i live) can't be knowable on a subject nor be enrolled in college.My point is that whe world does nothing evenly around it, not even gravity, so the earth being for the most part a closed systems it can't gain or lose energy only move it or put it in a new form. I never said that there won't be thre formation of deserts all i sayd was that watter was a bigger factor and moist air creates wet environments. As sea levels rise and the atmospleric temperature you will see more evaporation and in tern more precipitation in places like the coasts or by the great lakes. Trees grow faster (thet already are I've tested them) but in places like parts of the congo it will dry up. there's a reason they sont call it global warming and call it climate change because idiots think the world is going to end because of it when in fact the some countries stand to gain from warming like Canada and russia witch stand to gain more farmland. I also like how people still dont recognise that the ice caps melting will give us more land than we will loose because of Antarctica and the arctic archipelago aswell as siberia.
@Codywow you are so incredibly clueless. Please stop. Go back and read and learn some more before you speak on the subject of climate change. There’s an old saying you may do well to learn...“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt”
@zollo yes i have and we aren't talking over a couple decades we're talking about the course of centuries. There are currently efforts to make the sahara green and lush doesn't mean just rainforest it could also mean evergreen or temperate forests or even fields and swamp. There is currently a place where when it rains it goes from desert to a field of flowers.
Have you even read what I've said. You haven't refuted any of my arguments nor have you attempted if im really so mistaken you would have came up with something on the topic instead of just claiming im wrong without any actual topical statements.
@Codywow me refuting all your nonsense would be a complete waste of my time. I already know of the devastating effects of climate change. The fact that increased precipitation makes storms much more destructive. I know that the melting of glaciers will completely submerge many many Inhabited lands. I know that the rising ocean temperatures will throw off its entire ecosystem diminishing the worlds food supplies and potentially causing the extinction of many many species. I know all the negative effects that are coming due to the release of greenhouse gases and the depletion of oxygen producing plants in the Amazon will have global implications. I also know at age 17, you are more interested in arguing what you think you know than actually learning of the issues. I am not interested in arguing with you. And since I already know the small minded things you mention need much much more fleshing out, I implore you to go learn more from all the text books, scientists and professors you can get in front of before you attempt to make statements you very very clearly have no understanding of. It’s not as simple as the cycle of erosion theory where land washes away from one place and adds to another keeping the net result equal. Climate change is having and will continue to have negative and devastating effects on all of Earths inhabitants. please go learn more on the subject. You can thank me later for the advise.
It would have been a lot easier if you had refuted them as you saw them. I guess im not the norn for my age because I always try to learn something from arguements. For example i was wrong in assuming that the precipitation would stay the same in the sense of the formation of large storms. At the same time a assuming peoples intentions doesn't get anything done either because noone ends up learning anything and you end up just keeping your knowledge to yourself and not take the other seriously. I for sure didn't assume yours.
@Codywow I will say that I was a little biased because you are young but even if you have studied our ecosystem you simply haven't learned enough yet, and neither have I for that matter. While some seemingly good things can come from global warming like longer growing periods and shorter winters it seems like most of the changes will be bad. if everything overall is getting warmer than sure places like Canada will have longer growing seasons but what about places like Arizona? The heat will make the place almost unbearable and mosquito, s fires and flooding will all get worse. If this was happening naturally then it wouldn't be as bad because it would happen over a very long time but the problem is that it's accelerated so the planet can't adapt as well. Animals won't be able to adapt and migrate in only 30 years.
@zollo thats a good point as the heat stops being diverted away from the equator it will begin to get too hot, in that case the world would become almost the opposite of how it is today with large deserts at the equator with lush areas at the poles.
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Seems like anyone who checks their facts would know that climate change is a thing. Unless they check their facts with, you know, Fox News.
@MoscowMitch As opposed to, uh, checking their "facts" with CNN? You either missed the point of my post entirely, or chose to ignore it.
"You were taught this by teachers paid by the government."Finally someone said it! One of our teachers spreads propaganda in the institute where I am studying at and it's... infuriating to say the least. Imagine being a frugal student, who pays a lot of money to get a higher education, so that you have yet another news station feeding you with live propaganda so they can grant you a good student record entry towards your diploma. Merciful unicorns!We pay not only taxes to the government to feed us with propaganda, we pay straight out of our own pockets to do the same thing when acquiring a higher degree of education. Sucks balls but oh well. It's a mess.
@Unit1 It is a shame that so many young people want to deny that reality!
My generation won't listen. The crops that are planted where trees used to reside in the Amazon process more carbon dioxide into oxygen than the trees that they replaced. La Jolla Cove on the California coast looks pretty much the same as it did in 1871 (I posted a picture in my direct response to the OP). The Obamas just purchased a nearly $15M estate that sits 10 feet above sea level on the Atlantic Coast island of Martha's Vineyard. I conclude that whatever is happening is nowhere near as catastrophic as those with a vested monetary interest claim.
@OlderAndWiser Good Sir, do not forget that some of us have had more time on the planet to form our own opinions, and base them on our personal observations. Also, we have developed our own personal BULLSHIT detectors, that some younger ones may not even have!I assume that you, like me, look at all the 'studies' and first look to the ones that paid for that 'study' and the financial 'sponsors' to know if it is even worth reading!! When some global petroleum giant sponsors a study that 'proves' global warming is BS, we kind of doubt the credibility, right?Likewise, when some post a bunch of radical claims, online, without ANY scientific support, we doubt, as well!Go to https://www.dhmo.org/facts.html and learn about something that is so much worse than Global Warming! This chemical is EVERYWHERE, and it is terrifying!!!
anyone of these*
Good write up!
The problem is the extortion scheme that is behind it. Global warming is happening MUCH slower than predicted. We have plenty of years for a natural energy transition using safe nuclear power based on thorium. Windmlls and solar panels are extremely expensive and bad for the environment. Burning tree's is a bad idea to. So instead of all this elite and socialist fulled hysteria we need to start building thorium reactors. With those reactors we can power the world using the mining waste we are already produce and currently not use. One year of our current mining waste can power tge world for 40 years, the radioactive waste breaks down a lot quicker, it can't have meltdowns and our past nuclear disasters are impossible with that reactor. It would take my country roughly 15 years to build it and with the actual rate of warming we have that time.
The solar output has been decreasing since the 1950s.
It's a simple fundamental law of physics. Energy is not destroyed, it just transforms from one form/kind into another.All of the energy from the sun was absorbed into plants over the course of millions of years. Those plants turned into oil. The energy remained trapped in them. The millions of barrels of oil that are extracted, sold, and burned by humans, are now releasing that energy at a very high speed. Unless we find a way to release it into space as fast as we release it from oil, that energy will remain trapped in our atmosphere and heat up the environment.It's like we are inside an oven, and we are lighting a fire underneath it by ourselves! 😂
The Ozone layer's not doing that badly, since the international community banned the production of certain gasses in the 1980s, it's been improving since 2006.
@goaded but then why do we get such bad sunburns from just going outside for a couple hours if even? I heard back in the 70s, and 80s I think, people would actually wear tanning oil not sunscreen
@goaded Watch the posted video, it supports your hyposthesis of an improved ozone layer.
Also once our blue marble shakes us off due to mass agricultural die off, ocean acidification and eutrophication we are absolutely screwed because the closest possibly habitable planet is so far out of reach with current and foreseeable technology it’s not even worth considering.
Yess someone who believes it exists but doesn't listen to the alarmists. A reasonable person.
Also the Eos Bioreactor that was recently developed is so efficient that one 3'x3' cube can process as much carbon dioxide into oxygen as can an acre of trees.
yuuup but in the states the right dont even pretend to care like they do here in the uk lol
Whose fault is that, then? Things weren't so bad until science became politically incorrect.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi6n_-wB154
Either you can't read beyond what you want to read, or you're willing to deny that the vast majority of scientists DO agree that humans are affecting climate change to a significant degree. Very FEW scientists worldwide think it's a "hoax". They all could have benefited from listening to Jacques Cousteau years ago, when he foresaw what was happening in the oceans, and was 100% correct. And this statement here: "And secretly, no one really believed it or they would be living in caves", is nonsense and as logically fallacious as can be. Speaking of logic, it's ludicrous to imagine humanity can increase population at its current rate and not end up in a "Soylent Green" scenario. As others pointed out in their comments though, capitalizing on the fear is not helping real action to control it.
@loveslongnails you sound like a fool. Real science is based on skepticism. There is no such thing as scientific consensus. Either a hypothesis is proven with repeatable results and clear findings, or it is a hypothesis. There is literally not a single dataset anywhere that supports the theory. There is a ton that refutes it. This is why real scientists don't believe in it.
@loveslongnails there was once "scientific consensus" that cigarettes were healthy, blacks werent human, the earth was flat and diseases ware caused by bad air/blood. Do you believe that all of that is true? No because those who do are just wrong.
Your sophomoric extraterritoriality is showing. "Not a single dataset anywhere" ... bullshit. When you know how a system operates, you don't need to repeatedly stress the system to know it won't operate at full capacity. You sound like the fool here.
@Codywow A) There was NEVER scientific consensus that cigarettes were healthy. Tobacco companies knew from the start they were not - they just hired scientists to say they were.B) There was NEVER any "science" that proved or supported that blacks were sub-human. It was an economic justification for slave labor by whoever held the power at that time. Blacks also had black slaves, and I assure you black owners never thought of themselves as sub-human.C) The examples you give of medieval medicine and flat earth belief were also did not involve any study that could produce repeatable results, but were settled on for lack of a better explanation.As I told Amberini, who apparently thinks she is wiser than thousands of scientists who actually AGREE that human activity IS affecting planetary temperature, there's far more data to support human affectation, than not. But, those scientists who think so are not "real scientists" in her opinion.
Ok, since some jackass decided to downvote, I'll tell the rest to be fair. Scientists can't say with any certainty if cutting carbon emissions at this point will help, or if it is too late. The damage may already have been done and we will have to live with it. But for fuck's sake, take off the blinders and pay attention to what is happening. Global warming is not a myth people.
@Daniela1982 While the words of the Bible are Good, and I know many of these, the reference you make, well, it doesn't seem relevant to today.Can you explain why it makes sense to you, and why you offered that?
And what "natural process" is causing it?
That's weather, not climate, and right now it's tee-shirt weather in October.
@goaded likely. But then the weather has been consistently unchanged in summer 2019. The summer in 2018 was a blast and had just a few of those cold or rainy days.
If that. Sea Level at La Jolla Cove on the California Coast has not budged since 1871 - I posted a pic in my response to the question.
@Liam_Hayden it's an exponential thing. Sea water rises in the next 10 years as much as it did in the last 100.
Yeah, because being poor and dead is much worse than just dead.
And ignorant americans deny it
They're fucking you AND your climate dude. But if you're okay with that just keep bending over and taking it.