They're doing exactly what they are supposed to be against.
That's why I hate liberalism. As a movement, it's become what it sought to destroy.
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That would be a generalization though right?
And generalizations are always wrong right?yes, it's a broad brush. Hash tag not all men.But to then move on from that, since a large proportion is very much like that or worse, then to dismiss it is to put blinkers on and ignore the experiences of others who have been through it, often repeatedly.It's not about person A paying for the crimes of person B (or even persons B-J)It's about seeing, recognising and validating the other person. Recognising that as a white male, you don't have to avoid walking down alleys at night, you don't have to go to the bathroom in groups to be sure you can't be cornered alone, you're not slandered when someone makes racist jokes or comments about slavery.Other people are. Be aware of that, it is likely to get you out of being painted with that broad brush.
Another question. What is the reason behind having the issue with others getting validated and recognised? Does it harm those already privilidged? Only if you consider having to share the stage harming.www.huffpost.com/.../when-youre-accustomed-to-privilege_b_9460662
Exactly.I have to prove myself as a white male.I have to "Be careful" as you put it.Be apologetic for other people's actions.I'm immediately pre judged based on my race and sex.Even if I'm not American I still have to be judged and be careful to be sensitive.It's not something that everyone has to worry about.It's quite a strange hypocritical world.It's as if I'm to be punished or accept responsibility in some way for stuff that people did in history.
Share the stage?As a white male we're not even allowed on the stage now.We are not to be validated.We are supposed to be sorry and kiss everyone's ass.
I see the problem here, well problems.1, you did NOT read what I said, you glazed over it and answered what you wanted me to have written. you can do better.2. Who said you couldn't have the stage, or even that white males can't have the stage?SHARE. did your parents not teach you about sharing? or do you think that white males shouldn't have to share?Next time, please read what I wrote, NOT what you want me to have written.
I think you're starting to get embarrassed because you're realizing that your idea of equality is actually unbalanced in reality.You won't see things from my perspective, you can't because you're not a free thinker.You only seem to know what you've been taught.
No, I'm getting annoyed at your lazyness and dishonesty.
I'm definitely honest.I understand everything you're saying.I've read it all before too.I used to think that way too.
No, you are not being honest.If you were you would not have tried to straw man my position.Either you read it, and ignored it, or you didn't read it and just made it up.You sir, are the most recent reason white males are getting a bad rap.
Yeah right.Just take your loss on the chin and go.I hope the best for you.
Ahhh the chess playing pidgeon.Wanders around on the board, knocks over the peices, shits on the board and claims to have won.Since there was no winning or loosing conditions, who knows what it means to win here.You did not step out of your own pre-conceptions to learn something new. sounds to me like you are the looser in that scenario.
You're desperate to steer the conversation off into a direction that you're comfortable with.You're not really focused on my question or trying to understand my perspective.You just want control it.I don't fall for shit that easily.Try it on someone else.
I understand your perspective. it is not the first time I have come across this line of argumentation.having it repeated at me doesn't make it any more right than the last 50 times I heard it.Your responses however, made it plain you didn't read and had no interest in what I had to say.your loss.
Interesting thought however.you keep trying to tell me how I feel about this conversation. So far you keep coming up at least 100% wrong.The fact you so desparately have to attempt to write me off shows a rather large whole in your world-view that paints this.If it were solid, you wouldn't be afraid of answering the actual points I made.Does your dishonesty annoy? Sure. Does it vex me? no. It is pathetic and amusing. And the further you go down that path, the more of your agenda you display and concrete for all of us.Good work, keep it up. society does better when people with this attitude show themselves.
I you were off the mark from the first generalization that you tried to peddle.It's just been a bunch if shit from there.You're trying to devalue my current situation by pushing a guilt trip about history.I have some sad truth for you.I see us as equals.I don't owe you shit.
Nope, you don't owe me a thing, which is exactly what I owe you.Never thought otherwise.What I did think - rather naively I admit - that you asked a question wanting an honest answer based in reality.My mistake, it turns out you just wanted a platform to spout bigotry.You claim equality. you claim that because you see what you believe is equal treatment.What you miss, is that if you start a race with one racer a mile ahead of the others, giving them all the same speed cars is not equality.Huh, here I am assuming you give a shit about anyone but yourself again. Silly me.I know, by this time you've long since stopped reading, you don't want the cognitive dissonance of having to question your assumptions.It's pathetic. And clearly illustrated by your increasing rage. And going anonymous means there is no way you can silence me on this thread. Congratulations, you cut of your own nose to spite your face. Just what I have come to expect from priviliged white male americans. no surprise at all.Poor boy might have to share his toys to be included with the other kids.Still, it's not really your fault. After all, your parents should have taught you about humans being social creatures, and that that society is important. And shitting where you eat is just a dumb idea.But please, keep ranting on. While there is nothing new here, it allows others to see just what a web of lies you live in.
Here you go with blind assumptions again.I wouldn't silence you even if I could.I'm not a chickenshit and for the millionth time I'm not American.My grandparents came from Russia to Canada in the 1940's to escape the war.They didn't have shit and sure as hell didn't have any slaves.They farmed and I grew up without much either.I don't have any white guilt, I had my own problems.If you hug I can do that, but otherwise go lecture someone else about your history.
So you are the naive one thinking that you haven't at all benefited from the priviliges of being white, and male?Starting some groups behind then offering all the same is not equality.It's not, and never was about guilt. If you had read my posts, you'd know that. That is 1 way I know you are lying about having read them.The business of keeping society, is the responsibility of all of society, not those who feel guilty.If you stick to the classically American selfish political ideal, regardless of where you are now or where you come from, the effects are going to be the same.And if you don't want to be seen as just another maga hat wearing bigot, then stop wrapping yourself in their blanket.you have been born with certain privileges, deal with it. That means to achieve the equality you seem to think western countries have, you will have to SHARE the stage with other groups who have not historically had the opportunity to get there.This doesn't take away from you anything other than your perceived right to claim superiority or to block other's access.You're russian in ancestory - I think that gives you a direct line to the American presidency now.Equality isn't about treating people the same. It's not about being 'colourblind'.That is the most common refrain among those who can't differentiate between sharing the stage and having it taken away.
My god you're so full of shit.I've worked for everything I have.I have a mixed race child that I love more than anything in the world.If you're looking for sympathy or someone to kiss your ass because you feel entitled, you came to the wrong place.
Haven't read a word I said have you.keep on going with your delusion that equality has nothing to do with history.If you look white, then you have benefited from those built in privileges. It's nothing to do with having worked for stuff or not.It's things like the opportunities that are available to you because you are not one of the minimised groups.You think they wouldn't or don't work for what they get? but if they can't get into a position to make things better, then they are left working to keep still, or working twice as hard to stay still.The idea that everything is just reliant on working hard is a capitalist delusion, which is just as empty and dishonest as the idea of trickle down economics.You don't have to be the one who created the inequities to benefit from them.
WE ARE EQUALS.I don't care about your history.You didn't live back then either.If you're having problems getting ahead now it's on you.Stop trying to blame all your problems on white males.
And yet again you prove that you either did not read any posts I made, or you disregarded them because you thought your version of what I was saying would be easier to answer.Where exactly do you think I blamed the problems on white males?Here is your opportunity to try to dig yourself out of your lies.
Your whole argument is based on the fact that you think white makes owe you something.I feel like you don't need gag, you need a therapist.You have some deep resentment and some kind of delusion that all white men are living some fantasy rich life because they're so privileged.That's bullshit.
So more specific, quote my messages where you think I said white males owe me something?Please, go ahead, this should be funny as fuck.And while you are at it, quote me on where I said that all white men are rich and pampered?That too should be funny as hell. I look forward to hearing what you think I said that means that.Maybe you might actually read what I said this way.
You were going on about how I'm not validating black people.How I don't care about anyone.It was just bunch of assumptions.Generalization.It's what you seem to do best.Look, I understand that you want sympathy, but I have a son that I need to go make supper for right now.I just don't have the time to talk this out until you feel good.I don't know what to do for you, but I'm not going to bow down or hate myself to make you feel good.Good luck my friend, have a nice night.
Wait, so you cannot find any quotes of me blaming white males, or demanding white males owe me anything?strange that, it's almost as if that ISN'T WHAT I FUCKING SAID!!So you want the REALLY funny bit? You're gonna laugh sooo hard.Ohhh wait, no that will be me.Your assumptions about me being black or some other minority right? you made that clear.I was born in Australia to British parents. The kind that are whiter than sheets of paper.Living here in Canada working full time to be paid under 30,000 a year in order to support a white wife and child.So all these assumptions you are accusing me of?Let's start with your assumptions about what I was saying. That is easily resolved by reading what I actually said.But be careful, once you do that you might be expected to grapple with my actual point and not one you make up for me.Try some honesty, it tastes bitter but ends up healthier.
Maybe you should have read what I said, not what you wanted me to have said.Now you go have yourself a lovely polite apologising evening.
Op is indoctrinated by conservative media. It's sad.
@DDlgNoShame Nope, that would be another stereotype.I know the liberal mindset very well.I'm sick of having to apologize and walk on eggshells because I'm a white male.
No one has ever asked you to do that. Only conservative media talks about that. Broaden your mind.
@DDlgNoShame Why are you trying to make this about party affiliation.I'm not even American.I'm just a regular white male who's noticed that I'm not allowed to have pride about what I am.It pisses people off.
You're right... A Nazi is a Nazi. It doesn't matter where you come from.
@DDlgNoShame You're a perfect example of what I'm talking about.If I am proud to be a white male it all the sudden makes me a Nazi or a racist.Everyone else can be proud and love themselves, but not white males.
Before you were born what great feat did you acccomplish to be awarded the status of white male
What are you talking about?I am a white male.It's what I was born as.Are you jealous about that or something?I have no control over what I am and I don't know why you think I shouldn't be proud to be who I am.Everyone else is told to be proud of their culture, ethnicity and sex.Why can't I?
Now ask the same questions but replace the race and watch how questions are now taken seriously lol
Who says we are though?
No one is, but you are implying that with the question. If you aren't, you have literally nothing to worry about. The fact that you're worrying implies you're doing something you think might be racist or misogynistic.
No.The problem is that people feel like they can pre judge white males based on our skin.It's like we have to apologize for things we didn't even do.We're not allowed to have any pride unless it's approved.
No. That's what conservative media makes you think. Think for yourself. I'm liberal and I do not believe anything you just said. You don't have to apologize for being white. You don't have to feel guilty for someone else's actions. You just have to be a good human being, don't be a dick, and don't be racist or misogynistic. It's not that hard.
I was also a Liberal.I'm an independent now.You need to stop making assumptions about people based on biased ideologies.Think for yourself and don't be ashamed if you're white.You deserve the same respect as anyone.
No one believes you. You're just a Drumph follower. You're transparent.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.You don't even know me and you're pretty judging me.I'm just a person who gets tired of being treated differently because of my sex and skin.I can't be proud or I'm seen as some kind of a misogynistic racist Trump supporter.