Not all liberals are thugs, but all thugs are liberals. You don't see us going around calling liberals gang members. And for the record, there's an exceptional amount of racism coming from liberals nowadays.
@crmoore Actually I do see people going around saying that and there are always exceptions to any rule. I just underlined the reason why this idea exists beyond the saying itself which you did not.
Thugs struggle to partake in a civilized lifestyle, thus firmly deterring them from making it past an entry-level job. Their poor income and brutish nature leaves them unable to properly provide for themselves. As such, they are often drawn to promises of free resources to make their life "better." This often means they also adopt the entire left wing ideology as a bonus.
@crmoore That is just fundamentally wrong on every level.
You've convinced me
@crmoore Very good. Would be a shame if you still held such stupid preconceived ideas.
You can tell me the sky is green all you want but until you actually explain your rationale and support your claim, all it is is empty words.
@crmoore Well to begin with you are just making a bunch of baseless assumptions like how liberals are for "free stuff" and whatnot.
I mean, that's what liberals are for. In fact, it's even in their name. "Liberal." They're liberal with resources, as to where conservatives of conservative with them. Additionally, liberals advocate for loose welfare, free health care, and even more recently, free healthcare for illegal immigrants. And these are just a few examples. But if you want to claim otherwise, let me do the same thing: you made a bunch if baseless assumptions like how conservatives are uncomfortable with current progres happening around the world like equal rights.
@crmoore Ha! You really think that? No no no you poor fool, Liberalism comes from the word Liberty or more accurately the Latin word "liber". Same foundation as libertarian. Its about personal freedoms and such things and has nothing to do with getting "free stuff".As for my assumptions there were not regarding conservatives (although there is a strong argument to make about that) but regarding racists in a modern society.
No, "liberalism" is a derivative of "liberal." Of which it could come indirectly from liber, but more directly form "liberal." Not to mention, liberal is the polarity of conservative. Obviously, "liberal" and "conservative" are used more broadly, now, but liberal means to use generously.
Like, seriously, you can't possibly be taking this stance. If liberalism came from liber it would be liberism, not liberalism. You're seriously trying to tell me liberalism isn't from liberal, it's just a coincidence?
@crmoore You should check the etymology of that before you come back to me also Liberalism is not the polar opposite of conservatism. Just because USA only has two parties does not mean they are on the opposite side although granted if you only have two parties there are only two sides.In fact Liberalism and Conservatism is not even mutually exclusive, you can be both without being hypocritical. The opposite of liberalism would be something like totalitarianism.Perhaps it is because your American point of view but you are severely lacking in perspective.
It is, the political spectrum is from liberal to conservative, which pertains to fiscals doings, and libertarian to authoritarian, which pertains to how much power and control the government has. Liberalism and conservatism are literal opposites. To be liberal and to conserve are literal opposites. And that's another thing, liberalism and libertarianism are not synonymous like you had indicated earlier, they pertain to different things. Perhaps it is you who need to do a bit of research.
@crmoore I never said liberals and libertarians are the same thing, just that they come from the same place which they are. Also every time you try to claim Liberalism and Conservatism is the opposite just goes to show how little you know. The opposite of Liberalism is "illiberalism" (such as Totalitarianism) and the opposite of conservatism is reformism or something similar.You can start blabbing on about the "fiscal" aspects of Liberalism being the opposite of conservatism but that is just attributing things to both ideologies that are not inherently part of their ideology.
Either your terms have developed differently in due to being in a different region, or you're outright incorrect.
Because let me ask you this, if libertarianism is the opposite of authoritarianism, and considering they're situated at the polarities of the spectrum they reside in, then why are liberalism and conservatism at the polarities on the spectrum in which they reside on if they're not opposites?
@crmoore Liberalism and Conservatism is only on opposite sides if you draw a direct line between them but even then that is inaccurate since they can be the same thing depending on the context. First of all the whole "right wing vs left wing" is all bullshit born from a 2 party political system. Politics has a lot more dimensions than a simple line. Secondly both Liberalism and Conservatism are fairly hollow ideologies and they can contain basically whatever you put into them which is why they are not mutually exclusive.Strictly speaking Conservatism is about maintaining old values such things so if the "old values" used to be the same as liberalism then they would just be one and the same, simple right? Although this is admittedly a gross oversimplification but it is important for you to realize that both liberalism and conservationism means both more and less than what you think.The Liberal party and the Conservative party dont really have much to do with their namesake anymore regardless.
No, if the parties were regarded as "party A" and "party B" then the terms would be hollow. You can't be a conservative and say "I think our government should give any of its money to anyone who asks." That is not conserving. You can have the "murder and war" party preaching for pacifism. I mean, they can, but they wouldn't actually be the party of murder and war. Now, that being said, I would agree if you substituted liberla and conservative with Democrat and Republican. I'm of the understanding that those two terms hold no legitimate definition that defines the notions they support. But liberalism pertains to the act of being liberal, conservativism pertains to the act if conserving, it is literally in the name.
You can't* have the "murder
@crmoore Haha! Of course the names of the parties are hollow, its literally something they decided as the name of their little club. Liberalism and Conservatism existed long before USA was even created much less discovered.Liberalism and Conservatism, as in the political ideologies exists completely separately from the groups that claims their name. Now a question. If Conservatism is about conserving then what does that say about the thing that is actually being conserved? can't it literally be anything at that point?
Gotcha, so people who call themselves conservatives aren't necessarily conservatives. Sounds reasonable.
And to answer your question, it's resources. Whether it's currency, food, materials, etc.
@crmoore No that is not at all what Conservatism is all about. Its about previous values and policies and has nothing to do with resources etc..
@crmoore Perhaps you should take a class in political philosophy?
Considering that I've logically explained things, here, rather than "conservatism doesn't mean conservatism," "liberals aren't liberal," and "liberalism has nothing to do with being liberal," I can't say I'm inclined to take your advice. Do us both a favor and take your nose out of politics.
@crmoore How much do you really know about Conservatism.. How about you tell me what you know about "Human imperfection"?
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agree. that pisses me a lot sometimes
No they don't. The right markets themselves to white people. The left merely points out the division that results.
Is that why when people hung up posters that said it's ok to be white the left lost it's collective shit. It's as if they were saying it's not ok to be white and that's pretty racist my dude
Yeah, because it's not as if they are saying any such thing. As you are well aware, the "okay to be white" bullshit was a white supremacists attempt to pretend to be holding the victim card. No one is actually saying that it's not okay to be white, and insisting that people are anyway is an obvious attempt to legitimize white supremacy. The fact that you're acting like you don't know this only tells me you're a white supremacist, yourself.
Or it was just some kids saying it's ok to be white. Your reading a lot into 3little words that just affirm have a lack of melanin in your skin is perfectly normal
White supremacist, you know people reading into it was the whole point. It's called "trolling," and it's the only way you dipshits can get your frightened moron message out without getting your ass beat.
Firstly homie I'm latino so no white supremacist I am not. And secondly when I see that poster all i see is yeah it sure is ok to be white
Nah, you're a white supremacist. I think you're willing to hang black guys from trees and you think that I'd think you above lying on the internet? Fucking troll..
So your saying a latino can't be conservative or be ok with white people that's some seriously racist shit right there
Oh, of course they can. I'm calling you a white supremacist and a fucking liar. Pay attention.
Lol you know I could just keep getting a rise out of you but I think this little conversation does plenty enough already to prove my case. So far just because I have a different opinion you accused me of both bieng a liar and of bieng a white supremacist. And you've threatened violence. You my friend are stunning example of why no one takes the left seriously.
Your opinion is thay white supremacy is cool. It is true that by you having that different opinion than me, I don't think you're above lying. Like you did just now by trying to say I was threatening violence, when really I was only mentioning it - you just reading in a lot into it.But you're not really, are you? You're just trolling, I know..
Pretty sure earlier you said I'd get my ass beat in public. That sounds pretty violent.
@normalice "it's okay to be white" when used by us isn't meant as a racist thing. I know it's from the alt light but yea. some conservatives think that black lifes matter supporters are racist against white people and they think anti white sentiment is on the rise thanks to the far left. that's why. Also conservatives do consider what's normally considered racism against latinos, blacks as racism towards whites, which liberals don't and they don't like that it's trivialized. most conservatives aren't white supremacist. I'm "right wing" and I've talked to lots of conservatives and I watch a lot of related shit online. trust me, where not that. we hate white supremacists anyway.
Conservatives definitely don't "hate" white supremacists, or they wouldn't have elected one to president.
@normalice Donald trump isn't a neo nazi….
In what way is Donald trump racists is ot because CNN says so cause you know they should neeeeeeever tell a lie cough*russiagate*cough
I didn't say he was a neonazi. I said he was a racist. What did you think all the nonsense about Obama's birth certificate was about?
No they dont. They just think people who openly march around with nazi flags are nazis.
@normalice people who are further left do often though (like bernie type or antifa); They assimilate right wingers with white nationalists and faschists.
not bernie sanders but people who are on the same place in the spectrum
@normalice the what, 3000 people in a country of 350,000,000? Wow. So scary.
Not sure where you two get your information, but your fake news sites are like an ocean - if you don't get out while in the shallows, you're not getting out.
@normalice There's less than 9,000 people in the klan. Even fewer in the American Nazi party. Prove me wrong.
There are 900000 people in the Klan prove me wrong.See how that works?
@normalice so you can’t is what you are saying. Idiot.
Neither can you, dipshit.
But I digress. What is your maximum number of kkk trump supporters you're willing to tolerate before it becomes "scary" to you? You're allowed to correct me and say it's actually a minimum.
@normalice well I way over counted based on Wikipedia It’s actually about 3000, dumb fuckwww.adl.org/.../state-of-the-kkk
I'm sorry a mere 3000 Klan, embers disappoints you.
@normalice I’m sorry you were proven to be a fucking moron so you have to try to spin this on me. Stop while you’re behind.
I'm not the one who changed the subject, dipshit. Talking about nazis (and their sympathizers - I doubt you were counted among the 3k), not the kkk. And you didn't answer my question so I assumed the worst.
@normalice It’s your job to find the nazi numbers, remember? You’re the one so worried about them. And I don’t answer stupid questions.
Yet another response without you commiting to the idea that you have any sort of problem with nazis.
@normalice Because it's a retarded question.
It's a simple question that you seem incapable of answering because the answer would either be a betrayal by claiming to hate something that you wouldn't feel safe without, or it would reveal you bias by finally admitting that you think Hitler had a lot of good points.
@normalice It's a retarded question with a stupid premise. It's really simple. The nazi boogeyman that you leftists have created to smear anyone who disagrees with you politically is really a miniscule movement with very little support.
I'm sorry your movement isn't getting the support you were hoping for. But if you really thought the political gain the existence of nazis gives the left is greater than the comfort it brings to you, you would stop.
@normalice Which movement is that? the movement that points out the leftist lies?
The Nazi movement we've been discussing from the start that you're strangely evasive about saying you have any sort of problem with, because you agree with them. It's okay, though. You trump trolls are all liars and hypocrites, to me. If you lie and tell me you hate nazis, you don't have to worry about anyone holding you too it.
@normalice Thanks for proving my original point. You call political opponents Nazis with zero evidence because calling them racist didn't win the white house for Hillary. Twat
I calk you a nazi because I've asked you like 10 times now to simply say that you aren't, but you just can't bring yourself to do it. This suggests your devotion to the comforts white supremacy gives you is so resolute you can't even lie to a stranger on the internet.
@normalice I don't have to prove to you I'm not a nazi. How fucking retarded do you have to be?
I didn't ask you to prove anything. Just to claim it. And still you won't. You need only type the words "I hate nazis" and that, alone, tells me you're not so frightened of brown people that you fear even betraying the Nazi cause in an anonymous internet comment might result in them withdrawing their protection from you.
@normalice lol, you're a retard.
And yet i can answer a simple queation, unlike yourself.
@normalice I'm capable, but I don't owe you any answers to a stupid premise. You don't know any nazis, you've never seen anyone who describes themself as a nazi. You just say stupid shit about white supremacy on this website. It's a loser philosophy, you're deep in the religion of wokeness trying to prove to everyone you're a good member of the congregation.
Nah. I just know a racist when it makes a point of avoiding claiming not to be a racist.
@normalice you don’t know half of what you think you do.
I know you refuse to risk claiming to have a problem with white supremacy.
@normalice I refuse to do anything you tell me to do to prove I’m not a sinner in your church. I don’t have to play your mental deficient games.
Oh I know. I've asked you multiple times to read before replying, and you've refused to do that, too.
@normalice You're still blathering? Don't you have some nazis to punch or something? You could start virtue signaling about corona virus being racist, or Captain Marvel not being a black trans lesbian
I'm replying to you, as happens in conversations. But then, I guess a general agreement that white supremacy is bad is kind-of a requirement for civility, and you're too scared to agree to that "for some reason"
@normalice I'm not scared at all. I don't have to discuss things because you think I should. I've said that several times.
Yes, you've said that instead of the much simpler thing of saying white supremacy is wrong. You're not fooling anyone.
@normalice And either are you. I don't play the leftist game of having to defend my lack of racism. So now what do you have?
That's because you don't have a lack of racism to defend. I don't know what cuts to education your little village has suffered, but in the rest of the world most 4th graders could see through your petty trick.
@normalice And again, I don't care if you think I'm racist. Now what?
You sure reply a lot for someone who doesn't care 😂😂
@normalice I want to see if you have anything of substance. But thanks for confirming.
Don't suddenly start acting like you've said anything of substance, yourself. You've spent the last ten replies trying to make transparent excuses for why you won't denounce white supremacists, instead of just denouncing white supremacists.
@normalice Right, because I don't play your game. It's simple.
Yeah, that's just the transparent excuse, though. I admire your diligence in clinging to it, but it's still transparent.
@normalice lol, dope.
Man, it really bothers you trump trolls when you are accurately described, eh?
@normalice try again.
Why, when I was right the first time?
@normalice I'm still waiting for you to tell me how many nazis are in America since you're so scared of them
We can't all privy to such information. Still waiting for you to tell me the minimum number you would be comfortable with.
@normalice When you figure out how many there are, then we'll start discussing.
There's nothing to discuss since we've already agreed you are sympathetic to white supremacy.
@normalice In other words, you're scared to look it up.
Unlike you, I dont have access to the white supremacy sites I'd need in order to be able to look it up. Why don't you just tell me? Oh wait, you did but seemed to have forgotten somehow. So assuming it's 3000 are you going to finally answer if that's enough for you, or are you going to continue to dodge and deflect with all the wit of a toddler?
@normalice I don't claim that America is full of white supremacists for political leverage, and the numbers bear that out. So as I've said from the start, you leftists are full of shit. You called the right racist and lost an election because of it. So you double-down and call them Nazis because racist wasn't scary enough... and you'll lose again. You're failures.
I dont claim anything of the sort, either. I do, however, claim that you are a white supremacist. You. Not every trump troll. Not even most of them. But definitely you are.
@normalice RIght, and if you think I'm a white supremacist, I don't care. See how easy that was? So now you have nothing.
Did you think I was expecting something? As long as you admitted it, it helps the question asker consider your bias when he considers your opinion. And, obviously, qualifies as some modicum of proof for when those on the left claim that only the racists (such as yourself) are the ones trying to say racism isn't a big deal. And further backs up the idea that while right wingers are not inherently racist, racists (again, such as yourself) are inherently right wing - I don't think anyone will believe you are a liberal, after all 😂
@normalice yawn. I'm more classically liberal than the mouth breathing soy boy leftists like you who disguise their fascism as good manners.
You're seriously going to try to do the thing I just dared you to try? Lol, so predictable..
@normalice how's your boy Bernie doing today?
Probably not well. How's your boy David Duke?
@normalice I'm not familiar that he's running. Last I heard he was slinging praises on Ilhan Omar
No, I meant in the shrine you built to him.
@normalice The one in your head?
No, the one in your bunker.
@normalice I have a lair, not a bunker, you dummy.
I don't care what you call your safe space.
@normalice It's quite large since I get white privilege checks monthly. Plus my patriarchy payments
Does the Klan pay for those or the nazis? I can't imagine they help you too much, as mascots are fun and all but are hardly worth sacraficing much. Though, with white supremacists running the government, i wouldn't be shocked if you meant literally.
@normalice I think it comes from your tax dollars directly. Which is really the best. So get your ass back to work. I'm thinking of getting a pool table.
Yeah, makes sense.
Nope. We just think conservatives are frightened easily, and fox news exploits that fact to make you scared of black people, Muslims, democrats, and pretty much anyone who risks calling the scam party republicans on their scams. Because all it would take is for us to finally and fully draw your attention to how you are being had and you might decide to stop, which would threaten the livelihood of all the scammers who depend on your distraction to keep you from the billions they withhold from us.
did you ever see that stewart lee comedy set where he was on about this... he said its not fair to say the people that voted for trump/brexit are racist... its simply not true... they were big fat cunts too lol
@wankiam No I don't find Stewart Lee funny.