Well said^ I agree obviously it exists but i dont think it is as bad as it was made out to be. The estimated death toll has already been cut in half, the figures were way off. Also doctors have reported recieving a cdc guideline saying if a person exhibits coronavirus symptoms and died, even if they were never tested, put cause of death as covid19. Doctors are perplexed by this because that is highly usual. Cause of death is often difficult to say, and usually based on as much factual information as possible. So the death toll isn't even what the statistics say. Not to mention our government and the WHO stance contradicts itself every other week. Dr. Fauci and the WHO said it was no big deal at the end of January. Now they say the opposite. Not to mention the media was caught using italian hospital footage to pass off as New York to make it look worse. Same thing with the "mass graves" that turned out to be false. Not to mention most media companies are owned by left wing parties that are using it to hurt trump in the election. I dont support either party, but the manipulation is obvious. Interestingly enough the US death toll was down 15% in March. Is a lockdown neccessary? Im not sure. But you can't be quick to criticize people who are skeptical. You really can't rely on mainstream media in general, let alone for this. There are plenty of specialists who are skeptical as well but they dont get broadcasted. Therefore it makes it seem like if you dont go with the mainstream you are disregarding smart people. But that is not completely true.
It's undone 10 years of economic growth. Seven under Obama, then the sightly lesser growth under three years of Trump. If you hadn't figured it out yet, the caronavirus is far more contagious than the seasonal flu, with higher fatality rate. Plus you recover from the flu even if you became really sick. The COVID 19 virus may give many of those who recover permanent lung damage.
@coffeewithcream No, the trump growth was greater. Obama's growth was returning to "normal" which took eight years to do (the longest that's ever taken), Trumps growth was past what was normal. Its easier to get things back to what they where then getting things better then what they were (also that is irrelevant and clearly just an attempt to slander and insult conservatives and trump which makes me wonder why you would bother with that as its not relevant?).As for the coronavirus, 500,000 people die a year from the flu, have we had that much death from coronavirus? Not even close. We also have the same death rate as we see with seasonal flu but only if we don't account for the fact that most people are asymptomatic and are not being put into those numbers which would lower that death toll. That's also ignoring the fact that we know for a fact that people who have not died from coronavirus are being counted as if they had simply because they had it. Their is also no evidence that it causes permanent lung damage. So that is also incorrect.
We also never said it didn't exist and should be dismissed. We are stating that most people are treating like a bigger threat than it really is. I agree with taking precautions and protecting people at risk. There are a good amount of people who feel there is something amiss here. Something just isn't quite right about this whole thing. Plus much more contagious is inaccurate. According to the R naught you are likely to pass the flu to 1.3 people. Covid19 you are likely to pass it to 2-3. Yes its more contagious but not by a huge amount.
@hellionthesagereborn: Excellent answer! I agree 100%!
@Tiffany_Taylor_Made Thank you!
@hellionthesagerebornSpot on brother!
You better look again at those stats, O Blind One. Both job growth and wage growth were stronger at the end of Obama's term, after he rescued the world economy from falling off a cliff- it was stronger than it has been under Trump. The difference is slight, but how people can say it's better under Trump shows they don't know what they're talking about. Plus, Trump tried to boost the economy with a massive tax cut. All that's done is increase the debt by $2 trillion. GDP growth under Trump's three years was lower than Obama's which reached a high point of 3.06%. Trump's GDP growth has never reached 3%. In 2019 the adjusted growth rate was less than 2%, coming in at 1.99%. That's is less than Obama’s three last years in office and less than five of his last six years.
@coffeewithcream Except again, I already pointed out that what your saying is intentionally misleading. You cannot claim greater job growth coming out of a recovery to normal levels is some how better then taking that job growth and pushing it beyond where it had been for sixty or seventy years, those are two very different things. Also Trumps highest GDP growth was 4.2% so that is also entirely false and while Obama did have a high of 3%, his average GDP growth was about 2%, far lower then the averages of any other president. So again, your wrong.Your either ignorant of how this works or intentionally obfuscating the facts. In both cases its clear your an ideolog because we where talking about the coronavirus and now your trying to trash talk trump on something completely unrelated. Your purpose here is to spew out hatred for those you disagree with poltically not discuss facts. At least be honest with yourself if no one else.
@Physics-Man Thank you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shBlwyrBii0 just gonna leave this here lol really great video
So the fact that based upon reports, their have been no flu deaths (normally kills about 500,000 a year globally) no pneumonia deaths (normally kills about 2.5 million deaths globally), heart attacks (normally killing 18 million people a year globally), doesn't concern you or seem suspicious in anyway? The fact is they are saying that any one with coronavirus who has died, died FROM coronavirus, despite the fact that 75% of people who die from it have at least one preexisting disease and about half have three or more. I don't think that's denial, I don't think that's politics, I think that's highly suspicious numbers that don't add up to reality.
To be clear, I'm not saying that we don't have people who will deny something based upon whether or not the other party agrees with it (that happens all the time (we have issues with illegal immigration and democrats where all for controlling it until trump said he wanted to stop it and now they are suddenly all for it. So it does happen (and yes its absurd)), but in this case, that's not what is happening.
@hellionthesagereborn There's a difference between saying not everybody that dies with the virus died from the virus and saying the virus doesn't exist. Those are two very different positions. I don't really wanna argue about the number of deaths I agree that the virus is not very lethal but I still think it exists.
I've never heard a single person saying that the virus didn't exist, I think you are mistaken. What the argument is, is on the severity and all the strange inconsistencies (we have doctors coming out and calling it out even, that they are misreporting the severity, that they are labeling deaths as coronavirus related when they are obviously not and even labeling that even if no test was done on the person to determine they had it to begin with).
The reason why we don't want to admit that its a huge problem is because average deaths from flu are far higher then this ones averages. Also the fact that currently no one has recorded a single death from flu or pnemonia in the US despite the fact that it kills tens of thousands of people a year, due to the fact that they are recording any death of some one who HAD coronavirus as having died FROM coronavirus despite those being two different things. You then take into account that about 75% of the people who have died from it also had at leaset one other preexisting condition/disease, and almost 50% had THREE, their is a lot of muddied waters here. THis is not being honestly reported on, they are conflating deaths from non coronavirus diseases with coronavirus (for instance a baby in california was listed as having died from coronavirus because he had it despite the fact that he had been in the hosptial for a month before the outbreak due to a bowl blockage which resulted in a ruptured colon and subseuqently death. Thats not coronavirus but the way they are recording it suggests it is). Im not saying that it isn't a concern, but its not what people are saying it is by a long shot. BUt normally by this point in time about 18,000 americans would have died from the flu by now, another 25,000 from pneumonia, yet according to official reports we have had effectively no deaths from either of these far more common disease. Again, this isn't adding up.
Not nearly enough Americans care about the constitution.
uK seems to be paying the price now for weeks of ignoring it.
Yes seems so. Lockdown should've been far earlier. A lot of Europe is really suffering at the moment. Hoping the fact that our prime minister has been seriously ill will really get people to listen to the measures.
Pretty solid comparison between Ireland and UK in this thread: twitter.com/laineydoyle/status/1249127908876128259
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This is a decent answer.
Brawndo has what plants crave.
@77gnat Brawndo probably also cures Corona!
Brawndo has electrolytes!
Lol what government are you living under in the United States that is socialist 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
@VIVANT Every liberal is a communist and they want so badly to shove it on us.
Uneducted? Education is only indoctrination so they can make you memorize what they want in your head. Someone who isn't as educated is actually more intelligent because they don't buy into all the BS.
@Mijopapiii Only partly right. It's true that often education consists of a lot of national political ideology and opinionated "facts". But you are displaying exactly that radical cynicism I was mentioning. You see only the bad, dysfunctional part of it. "Someone who isn't as educated is actually more intelligent because they don't buy into all the BS". No. An intelligent person will SEE PAST the BS and make use of and recognize everything of value in their education.Real education, and there's a lot of it because there are a lot of teachers who actually care, introduce you to other places, other times, other ways of understanding the world. A huge part of the difference between an educated person and an uneducated person is their familiarity with things beyond their own experience. It's an opportunity to familiarize, sympathise with and begin to understand ways of living completely different from your own. I'm from Norway, yet I know what a Hindu believes in, I master languages different from my own, I see the US from the outside, I see how European enlightenment thought has influenced the west and continues to change it. Sure, you can be wise without education, and you could argue that wisdom is better than knowledge, but knowledge can also aid in making wise decisions and provide you with an outside perspective that gives you self-awareness and unique insight. That's exactly why we read books and watch movies, we live different experiences and understand more about ourselves and our own behaviour through it.
@Mijopapiii That's what good education does for a collective society. If you think you would be better equipped in life by spending time only with your family and the local community with, might I add, equally dogmatic, politically tainted "facts", okay. But through education, you could get that with 1000 different perspectives, and from all the most valuable, intelligent and masterful minds the human race has produced. You MIGHT be right that education doesn't facilitate the act of "thinking" to many pupils, but it gives us all the material to grapple with should we want to think.OR maybe education simply is worse in America, judging by your attitude to it. Maths, philosophy, history and geography are excellent subjects that are less tainted by ideology. But to many parts of the world Americans, in general, seem uneducated, frankly.
@NicknameShirt everyone is programmed not educated from a very young age. We are lied to about everything the only instance where education actually matters is when it comes to doctors or scientists who are saving lives or someone educated in making technology better. Going to college where they basically brainwash you to be a SJW is bad for everyone. Giving us this idea that we for sure know the big bang happened and other things that are just theories is a wrong way to educate someone. Theories become people's beliefs and if you question any of it you get attacked even though there is really no proof of a lot of this.
See how insulted they feel over politics...There divide is closing after all the bodies started to pile up, but the same pattern still exists.civiqs.com/.../coronavirus_concern
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All the downvotes what a complete joke you are all the sacrificial lambs to the government.
Actually we listen to science way too much.
@ManOnFire Yes we do. Instead, we should rely on fortune tellers and evangelists for our information. Also homeopathic remedies will cure the virus according to people who sell them.
You can never listen to science way too much.The main mistake people make though, is thinking that scientists have everything figured out and you should be able to blindly follow scientists if they are doing their job right. That's NOT how science works.And if you see some kind of scientific claim, always look up what kind of research has been done to come to that conclusion and the actual source, and who funded the research, to make sure that the information isn't biased because of lobbying of certain industries.So it's not that people hear too much science, but rather they take every scientific claim at face value and don't look further to see which ones are more trustworthy.
@CubsterShura just because you heard someone say scientists recommend this or that doesn't mean a real scientist even said it. They can literally tell you anything. You should question it not just believe it.
@Mijopapiii Most people don't have even a rudimentary idea of how to read a research study critically. You would seem to be one of those people. Blindly rejecting something because you don't understand it is self-destructive.
@Mijopapiii that's literally what I said. There's bias and fake information out there, so you have to ensure that you can trust what you heard by verifying it.
You have to KNOW how to verify it. The lazy way out is to decide everything you read is true, or false, or that one scientist has discovered a "magic cure". If you don't know how to distinguish these things, which you apparently don't, then you just pick one of the options I've listed. Saying "we listen to science way too much" is a way of saying "I don't know how to decide what is true and what is false".
@msc545 You blindly accept something and why? Because you hear scientists said it? You don't even know if scientists even really said it. You are blinded by science. Of course science is real but what they tell us about climate change and gender these days contradicts everything they ever said decades ago. You need to learn the difference between agenda pushing and facts.
I don't even know who is talking to whom anymore. I'm outta here.
@CubsterShura Thanks, cuz I'm getting tired of seeing this show up in my notifications lol. And I don't know how to turn it off.
We can't have martial law in the United States because the constitution prevents it And what is wrong with freedom?
I don't know if you have been paying attention but the government can do what they want. Americas take freedom forgranted and it looks terrible
The constitution is just like voting it gives people a sense that they have some sort of say or control and nobody does. It is just an illusion I mean if the constiution mattered would we all be on lockdown right now? Eventually when they get enough people to want to give their rights away the constitution will change. The government likes to chip away at our rights they won't just take them away they will push things like call something hate speech to ban things that go against their agendas. Eventually it will be all speech that is shut down. The constitution is not gonna protect that and same goes for guns. They want to ban assault rifles first then eventually it will be all guns. They keep chipping away.
Americans will read this and thumbs down my comment because they have this fetish obsession with trying to belittle others or act as though they are always right. That's what happen when someone's morals go off bloodshed and wars. Who massacred the Natives to steal their land? Who enslaved Blacks? Who mistreated the Jews? Who helped fund ISIS, Al-Qaeda and other extremist groups with their Saudi ties? Who demonizes Islam/Muslims? Who lies to it's own people and spends trillions on pointless wars? Who allows the elites to get off Scott-free in recessions or global catastrophes and so forth? It's the US, the American government followed that sick warped ideology known as Zionism and Wahabbism.
... especially the ones who can't write articulate sentences. Right, Tamera?
What exactly do other countries do better with their education system? Here we learn math and science and history and stuff. But they don’t teach us anything useful for actually living life.
@Kaazsz case in point right here. The biggest problem with stupidity is that they don't know or ego gets in the way of admitted. Let the adults take it from here.
Ego gets in the way of admitting their own stupidity.
But what exactly are they teaching in other countries that the US doesn’t teach?
@Kaazsz it's not about what's being taught, it's about how it's being taught.