And I am sure if Plato knew communism he would adopt it in his Utopia dream
Some people have dreamed of something like communism. Hell, Thomas Moores' Utopia describes something like communism. However, Marx and Engels were critical of utopian visions of communism because it had no explanatory power. It could not describe and explain how to get there from the present conditions. Utopian visions merely reflected opinions, it didn't explain what was required to implement them. Engels outlines this critique extensively in his work "Socialism: Utopian and Scientific". In short utopian socialism is idealistic. Scientific socialism is materialistic. One assumes that the world of ideas determine the world of the material. The other assumes that the world of the material determines the world of ideas. This distinction is very important to Marxists and was critical to Marx and Engels.
In 1848 Marx (along with Freidrich Engels) published "The Communist Manifesto." He did so in part to differentiate communism from earlier socialist ideas.
I am happy that I didn't see a racist answer like I have used to see here on that question, but neutral answer
I like the idea of social security, but I don't know if the administration of it is good or bad, and if it's bad so we shouldn't blame idea itself, same goes with Karl Marx ideology he wanted a fair community all people in same society class but North Korea and China didn't do what Karl Marx wanted exactly, he didn't say the president must be dictator or the society be closed minded and no democracy, it's the people who failed to do a true communism or socialism country
@TadCurious Did you read it? Or just the title? Bc a proper historian can differentiate.
@PrTafi Agreed. I think Democratic socialist model is working well, even for us. We just need to adjust it some.
@OddBeMe I am really happy to see your comments, so I can still have hope this world can change to the better
Yes, I’m just “tad curious” how other people fall for bullshit so easily.
Few people who can see the truth and have that vision or have that blessing that able them to see the truth
Err... no. I have a degree in this stuff. Marx wrote about both Socialism and Communism. Marxist Socialism is a necessary intermediate system between late-stage Capitalism and Communism. Marx mentions both systems several times in the Communist Manifesto (he devotes an entire section to the differences between the two systems), and later expands upon it in Das Kapital. Now, Marx did not talk about Social Democracy. That was created later by politicians as a critique on some of the philosophical inconsistencies in traditional Marxist philosophy. It was effective, too - about a third of the world currently runs on Social Democratic systems. Is that maybe what you're thinking of?Anyway, you could make the point that both terms had prior meanings before Marx co-opted them. Communism is still used today in religious contexts that have nothing to do with Marxism, and Socialism has a wide range of meanings outside of Marxism (i. e., National Socialism).
@HungLikeAHorsefly Marx probably wouldn’t have agreed with Stalin’s dictator approach. Trotsky was assassinated bc he didn’t.
Whether Stalin adopted the idealized Communism that Marx put forth or not, the fact still remains that was largely based on the concept of Communism that Karl Marx wrote about, and that it is distinct from Socialism, which Marx also wrote about.
Stalin was not the big mean evil tyrant Western Cold War propagandists made him out to be. In fact, in his writings, he talks in length about wanting to expand the democracy of the soviets, including the possibility to recall elected delegates. He also wrote about workplace democracy. Stalin tried to resign four times from the leadership of the CPSU, but every time, his requests were denied by the party. Stalin didn't enjoy that the people seemed to almost worship him. He thought that these people were exaggerating his own virtues while downplaying their own. If you carefully examine the writings of Joseph Stalin, you find nothing that suggests he was anywhere close from a megalomaniac. He was a humble but passionate man with a great sense of duty. He was constantly criticizing himself. He was often doubting himself and wrote about how when in doubt he would consult the works of Marx, Engels, and Lenin for guidance. He did not view himself as superior to the masses but as a part of it. He always credited the masses for every success, never himself. When he was praised, he never accepted it. During his speeches, you can observe him applaud as he praises the successes and victories of the Motherland with the audience. Speaking about Lenin, his death deeply wounded him. Stalin held Lenin in high esteem and regarded him almost as his own brother. Stalin enacted decrees banning the use of luxury goods in state buildings drastically reducing the number of secretaries, doormats, and drivers employed to the bare minimum, as he saw them as servants more than workers. When Stalin died, he had nothing but 500 rubles in his name and owned nothing but the clothes he was wearing.
Wow, @MeatPuppet is more of a Russian lover than Trump. Stalin killed 50 million people dumbass.
@OddBeMe This figure has been debunked countless times. The propagandists who claim Stalin killed your 50 bajillion people include WWII casualties among the numbers, casualties caused by the fascist barbarians that the USSR and countless communist partisans have spilled blood and died fighting against. To make such a preposterous accusation is an insult to the memory of the Red Army servicemen and women who fought the Nazi scourge right up to Berlin and to the antifascist partisans who fought alongside them to the bitter end.
@MeatPuppet Please share you’re sources. Cuz the gulags are well known.
Actually China is a communist country and will be n1 in economy next years not the US, so how is communism the very definition of failure?
Depends on your definition of success and failure. If you have over a billion people and give a small group almost absolute power over them it's obvious you're gonna see things get produced. And that's ignoring the fact China reformed itself and it's no longer socialist like the days of the supposed great leap forward when 45 million people starved. The actual great leap forward happened when China embraced free trade and integrated itself into the global market economy.Economic success is only one thing you can achieve in a system, and China couldn't even achieve that without loosening government's grip on the economy a bit. And let's not forget when you loosen the grip of a political elite on the economy after a few decades, their children are going to be the first ones owning "private" businesses and you're going to have massive corruption at point zero.And freedom of speech? Expression? Press? Democracy? Happiness? Those aren't going to be in the equation in such system when you're measuring success. On the whole, what I see in China is that it owes its economic success to free market reforms and its failures to the socialist revolution.
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https://youtu.be/th3KE_H27bsI also like this ted talk about how to evolve capitalism for the modern world.
"So we need to let capitalism evolve when it dug in during its fight with *capitalism"* communism Going a little too fast with the autocorrect helper.
What makes you think like that?
I dealt with problems of chinese reform when I studied
I liked your opinion and agree with it, people who has the power are corrupted so no system will work until these people leave
Replacing one with another corrupt person does not work. I do not know how to solve, but we should be happy that we do not live in countries like cuba, china and north korea, we have at least a certain freedom. 🙄
What makes you think that I am a communist?
The post was not meant to be taken in a literal sense, but more to express my disdain for Marxist ideologies.
If you are taking China or North Korea as an example for communism so both of them doesn't follow what Karl Marx wanted, the man didn't say to the president to be a dictator or have no any democracy. He just wanted to end the social classes, he wanted humans to be all same.
Humans will never be the same. We are all born with different abilities, different desires, different motivations. Karl Marx and communism is evil.
Ofc Humans will never be the same, there must be difference, but this difference shouldn't affect on wanting to live in a justice society
We live in a just society through the free exchange of goods and services.