So the fact that their rights are being violated doesn't matter then?Also its disgustingly ignorant of you to think that they dont understand the risks.Considering that you are quite obviously objectively in the wrong it your tone is wholly inappropriate.If you want to mock make sure you are right first, i really can't over stress how important that is.
@Guffrus Their rights are not being violated. The order is entirely legal during a state of emergency due to a health crisis. They don't understand the risks because they're stupid. If they understood all the risks to not only themselves and others, they would not be flaunting the social distancing guidelines and would be wearing masks. And if by some miracle, they do understand the risks and they're doing this anyway, they have a death wish not only for themselves, but for others and that makes them not just stupid but fucking idiots. And if you don't think what they're doing is stupid, that makes you just as stupid as they are. You think you're right cause you think I'm wrong? That's your opinion, skippy. I have zero patience with people like you and I don't give a flying fuck what you think about my tone. Now be a good little brainwashed goober and get lost... and I really can't overstress how important that is.
Fair enough, I am happy to concede the point regarding the state of emergency.The point you are still missing though is that its still questionable if this situation warrants a state of emergency being declared and or whether or not that its even going to help, that remains to be seen.Its actually a big deal to take away peoples freedom like this, not everyone is as keen as you to be told by mummy and daddy what they should do.Some people like to make their own choices and decide for themselves what risks they are happy to take from an informed position.
@Guffrus The point you're continuing to miss is the duly elected governor of the state declared an emergency. As such, it's the law. People have a right to their opinions but they don't get to violate the law cause they've decided the state of emergency wasn't necessary. You follow the law now and then you vote the governor out at the next election if you don't like it. That's how the system works. If everyone could decide which laws and orders they didn't have to follow cause they didn't like them or didn't think they were necessary, our society would disintegrate into utter chaos and then people like you would see what losing your freedoms really means. These people, because they can so easily and unknowingly transmit the virus to others can cause others to get sick and potentially lose their life. I can't think of any loss of freedom greater than that. They're not just making decisions for themselves, they're making it for others who never gave them the right to do so. I just can't understand how people like you despite this point being made over and over and over again still don't freaking get it.And as far as your condescending and frankly stupid comment about being told by mommy and daddy what to do, when it's clear to me as it should be to anyone with a functioning brain that mommy and daddy are just trying to keep me safe and it's just temporary, I'm fine with it. I'm not arrogant or stupid enough to believe I know better than non-partisan scientists and doctors. Most of these protesters are just paranoid idiots who simply just don't like anyone telling them what to do and think everything is a secret government conspiracy. Well their stupidity is putting other people's lives at risk, so fuck them and their freedoms.
You should really learn to read.
@Guffrus Is this an example of the substance you've been referring to?
Well you wrote a whole paragraph for no reason because you didn't read what i said.So what does it matter what i write if you either dont understand or dont read what is said to you?
@Guffrus You're right. It doesn't matter. So maybe don't write any more comments. Sound like a plan?
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Did you just try and compare people putting others lives at risk with the Jewish people in Nazi Germany?
@De_Doctor Yes, I think they did.
@De_Doctor and @goaded No, not at all! You didn't read what I wrote, and didn't get my point, and leaped to a false judgement, like so many do, just to be pissed off and then snap back without even understanding the point I was making. I was NOT comparing what you suggest.Read it again, and set aside you presumptions, and hate and focus on the point!Don't just judge me for posting, and think I assume that those protesters are correct.
@JackSmy Ok I think I see what you are getting at. You are referring to how they blindly went on with the demands. Yes, they do have freedom of speech protected by the first amendment right UNTIL they start promoting something considered dangerous or they start rioting/breaking ordinances or laws. Now most of the protests are in places where large gatherings are banned, like the preachers that are getting arrested.
@De_Doctor Yes, on the right track. BUT, those demonstrations, and wearing masks and observing the social distancing are not a violation of the illegal shut down. There was no due process, nothing but some 'official' making a choice, and yes, with the best intent, and goodness for all, but is it legal?I say it is a violation of the First Amendment, as long as they are complying, as well as they can, with the masks, and distancing! My opinion, and you are free to disagree, and I welcome your opinion, and a reasonable discussion, and debate. I have no need to change your opinion, and I doubt that you will change mine.I read, and think, and question! I read the data, the things that are online and recorded, as they learn more and more. I have a Biology degree, and I question many of the models they choose, maybe being too reactive, maybe not. Nobody knows.What I do know, is the media distorts the facts for their ratings, and they scare people, and people in fear, do not listen to reason, because in the fear mode, they are concerned with survival.
@JackSmy the way I see it is that if you can demonstrate peacefully and abide by guidelines, then you can protest whatever you want. I believe that the media enflames a lot of things and then brushes off everything else. So the general panic level is still the same, but not about the right topic.
@De_Doctor Very well said!! You are thinking and making your own choices! All I ever ask, is to question, and make your own choices, when you read, and discover, and research!! The media always lies!! They need ratings to stay on!
@JackSmy Ok on a side note, you have a really self-righteous facebook tone. I think you would be a great pastor.
@De_Doctor I want to say 'thank you' but I don't think it was a compliment. But a Pastor, is much like a Shepherd, caring for his 'flock' and their well-being. So maybe it is a good thing! :) Sorry that you think it is 'self-righteous' as I do not intend that in any way. I just want people to think for themselves and not just accept the prevalent lies. I have no need to change anyone's opinion, or thoughts, just suggesting that they think, before settling into those ways.
@JackSmy OK, you were comparing the government of the US reacting to a genuine world-wide medical emergency by requiring citizens to protect each other to the Nazi government scapegoating a minority.Still not a very convincing comparison.
@goaded Still, missed the point! What I said was NOT ABOUT GOVERNMENTS! It is about PEOPLE, and them just giving up their rights without question, and without due process. Their fear or whatever motivation, but giving up their rights, without question or protest!
It's not "without question", the question is: "shall I do what I'm asked to, to save thousands of American lives"? Most people came to the sensible conclusion.Also, you're misrepresenting what the Nazis did. Maybe better leave them out of analogies, for a while, hmm?
@goaded OMG, you SOOOOO missed the point, AGAIN!! Be one of the sheep, and love your enslavement!You see "Jews" and "Nazis" and then just judge, and don't read the intent posted!! "Saving thousands," such a NOBLE quest, but based on half-truths, no solid facts, media lies and bias, and the Experts themselves, cannot say for certain, so many things! But so many, so willingly give up so many rights!
Nobody's giving up any rights, except the right to endanger others for the duration of an emergency where tens of thousands of Americans have already died in a couple of months. Do you think you've had the right to drive down the wrong side of the road taken away from you?The Jews in Germany, a small minority, had their rights, and businesses, and lives taken away from them for no good reason. You are part of a society that has decided the best way to protect each other from a massive threat is to temporarily follow some extra rules. I'd be willing to bet that you're one of the vast majority of white people in the country, but you want to play the victim. It's disgusting.
@goaded Hey, you don't know me, at all, so don't even imagine you can SAY WHAT I THINK! You know nothing, having totally missed the point, and just parroted back the lies that you have been told, not thinking for yourself and questioning why these are so extreme!Then, as if that isn't enough, you ASSUME some racist thing? Is your argument so pitiful and weak that you have to KEEP ATTACKING ME, PERSONALLY, and NOW MAKE IT A RACIAL ISSUE? WTF is wrong with you?Do you have some personal issue with someone that disagrees with you, and you think you have to attack them personally, and attempt to assassinate their personal character, to 'win' your lack of having a solid argument?But you think the 'Stay at Home' is protecting people, right?Then why, in the state live in, with a Stay at Home mandate, 3/4 of the deaths are in NURSING HOMES!! Who is protecting them? The rest of the population is being denied their rights, based on erroneous projections and with the assumption that it is saving lives, by them, acting like sheep and surrendering their rights, without due process, based on a governor that may be abusing his power, and acting much like a dictator, with the guise of 'protecting' people!
Hey, I'm just going off what you're writing (and you've been calling everyone who disagrees with you unthinking sheep, so get off your high horse). You've been calling the shutdown illegal (it's not, and if it were, you could take them to court). And yes, you held up what happened to the German Jews under Nazi rule as if it were remotely comparable to what's happening to you in your state, which is, like I said, disgusting.Once again, people aren't doing these things "without question", they've looked at the tens of thousands of people who have died already and agreed to follow the best advice of the experts. When the experts know more, they might even find that you were right all along, and the lockdowns weren't necessary, but what if they're right and you're wrong (which is far more likely)?Exactly what right is it you think has been taken away from you?
@goaded STILL, STILL aren't getting the FCKING POINT!! You focus on words, and referential examples without GETTING IT!!Thanks for he "High Horse" jibe, to discredit me! You are the best!! LOL!!!I obviously cannot get you to understand my point, and that I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO CHANGE YOURS!! I couldn't care less, what you think, or post!! I think that people need to question, and read, and decide for themselves, and you seem to be against that, or don't understand that point! don't give a fck, if you believe me, or not, and that is not why I posted! You are so obsessed with the references and just don't have a clue how those relate!Peace to you, and hope all is well. I have too many other things that I want to do, than waste time with you! Sorry. Maybe you are a good person, and I wish you well. . .
Exactly what right is it you think has been taken away from you?
@goaded For me, specifically, only a little, because I have a "letter' defining me as an "Essential Worker" for a local grocery chain, and every day trying to get the product on the shelves for the panicked hoarders!I support those that are protesting the 'stay at home,' BUT SPECIFICALLY, the ones THAT FOLLOW THE SOCIAL DISTANCING, and WEARING MASKS!! They are protesting, and congregating, but not too close, and saying, that maybe some of the 'Stay at Home' mandates are not Constitutional, and biased against certain businesses, and thus other laws, and that some are suffering undue hardships, and maybe the governors don't legitimately have that power.I AM NOT, IN ANY WAY saying that I don't respect the intent of their choices, and I believe that most have tried to make the best choices, with what little facts they have. I respect that, but I ALSO RESPECT, and SUPPORT the FREEDOMS that are written in the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution, dividing the rights of the government, states and THE PEOPLEI think the media has twisted so many things, and SCARED people, so they willingly give up their rights, just to FEEL SAFE!!I don't think the general public knows enough to make good choices, and they are just running in fear, because of the media hype, and twisting of the facts.I don't need or want you to agree with me! I want everyone to THINK, and QUESTION, and not just believe the distortions on the news!
OK, why didn't you just say that in the first place?How do you go about determining if something is constitutional or not? Isn't it usually through the courts?Here's what one lawyer said in early March:“The term ‘lock-down’ isn’t a technical term used by public health officials or lawyers,” Lindsay Wiley, a health law professor at the Washington College of Law, said in an email. “It could be used to refer to anything from mandatory geographic quarantine (which would probably be unconstitutional under most scenarios in the US), to non-mandatory recommendations to shelter in place (which are totally legal and can be issued by health officials at the federal, state, or local level), to anything in between (e. g. ordering certain events or types of businesses to close, which is generally constitutional if deemed necessary to stop the spread of disease based on available evidence).”www.vox.com/.../coronavirus-us-lockdown-travel-restriction-italyI don't know what the restrictions are in your state, but clearly people are allowed to go shopping for food, and the restrictions are "deemed necessary to stop the spread of disease based on available evidence".I don't see anything wrong with people protesting while following the guidelines and not blocking emergency vehicles. Too many aren't doing that.Here are some examples from Germany:www.rt.com/.../I don't think people have given up their rights, they're collectively acting to save lives. There's no way these sorts of restrictions would be accepted if there wasn't a real threat.
@goaded I have a degree in Biology, Cell and Molecular, and I understand the science of this, and the data, and some is presented honestly, without bias, and others, like the media, twist and distort facts into something that scares people! I HATE THAT PEOPLE ARE TERRIFIED because of the media!I have no personal issues or quarrel with you, and I hope that you do not, with me. I think we both have the same intent, but maybe with slightly different approaches.My mother and several aunts are 75+ and somehow the media has convinced them that they can get this, even staying at home, and seeing nobody!! My mom is afraid to accept me dropping off food, thinking she could get infected from the packaging!! Though there are no confirmed cases that I know of, anywhere!It is the fear, and the people that so willingly surrender their rights, based on the media-induced terror, that scares me more than the virus!! I am in the Food Industry, and yes, FRONT LINE, all the way, but I am not scared, and I know the science, and how to be careful, and reduce the possibility of infection.I simply ask that people QUESTION, and THINK, and READ the real data, from the CDC or John's Hopkins, some know authorities that are trying their best, but even they cannot say for sure!!So much irrational fear, because of the media, and so much panic that doesn't need to be!YES, I want to believe that people are not just irrationally giving up their rights, but I see it happening, and companies making bad choices!I hope that maybe clarifies and clears up any misunderstandings from previous posts. . .
We can agree to disagree. I think you're underplaying the risks; there are reports that the virus lives on surfaces for hours or days (it's over a month old, now: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973 ). I think that it's probably best to assume the worst and be pleasantly surprised than hope for the best and be devastated. I don't see that as giving up your rights for no reason.Last I checked, things have levelled out in the US, but there are still 30k new cases and 2k new deaths every day (which seems to imply a 7% death rate, or there are a lot (7x) more people infected than thought). If I was over 75, and with maybe a 20% chance of dying if I got it, I would be scared, too.
@goaded I accept your points, and the 'facts' from the sites that you post. I think there is a lot of generalization, even within states of the US and major differences that are not taken into account.Also, many nations, and even states report deaths differently. Some report any death, of a person with Corona virus, as a Corona virus death, even though they died from a heart attack, or pre-existing pneumonia, or other conditions. In the state I live in, 75% of deaths are in nursing homes, and 'stay at home', is not saving them, but handicapping the economy! Also, the average death age, with Corona is 83 in my state. So the vast majority are not affected, but millions of people's work, and livelihood, paying bills and their mortgages, are affected.How many will lose their homes? How many will have to find new jobs? Where is the cost/safety threshold?But they are 'Erring on the side of caution' and no really reliable way to predict how it will unfold?I accept that we will probably never see this the same way, and that is ok. Maybe later, we find something interesting we do both share and agree on.Peace, and best wishes! Be safe, but don't worry too much! :)
19 out of 20 people over 65 don't live in old-people's homes, in the US.I think it's far more likely that a million Americans are going to die of COVID-19 than the government making the lockdown permanent. Don't worry so about the latter so much!
@goaded I respect your right to post that, and say that, and I am saying BULLSHIT!! I don't think it is going to ever be anywhere near as bad as the MEDIA is saying, and distorting facts! Believe what you want, and live how you choose, but I will not live in fear, and cower, a home, because the MEDIA lies and TERRIFIES people, to CONTROL THEM!! If I eventually get it, I no how to deal with it, and I am going to get through, just fine, and I will continue to say it is BULLSHIT, and lies in the media, and I agree with the protests, when they follow the distancing guidelines!!THEIR RIGHT TO PROTEST!! I wish you the best, but you are NEVER going to change my opinion, based on science, and reading, and knowing Biology!I wish you well, and if there are other things you would like to chat about, and maybe be friends, I am all for that, but you are wasting your time if you think you can change my opinion.I'm solid in the facts, and how I am keeping safe, and I am out there, DAILY as an 'essential worker' and NOT AFRAID!!
Even so, but still going to a protest with loads of people and not implementing social distancing during the virus is not going to fix anything. They're putting themselves and other at risk which will just make things worse.
The protests are not meant to fix anything. The ones I saw were in fact keeping their distances, besides many of us are not convinced it works anyway. Look at all the examples where we’ve not done that and it had no effect on the outcomes as far as numbers of cases. We are all being denied our civil rights, and wusssies like you are just going to not question them. Well others are fed up and feel the so called solution is worse than the virus. It’s passed the tipping point in some areas, and these are the people exercising their first amendment right to express that. They are not endangering you so why do you care? You should prob butt out and mind your own business, curled up in a ball ⚽️under the desk. The rest of us are going to go on with our lives.
They ARE endangering others, there are people (like me) who highly vulnerable who if caught the virus it could be fatal. So I'm doing everything I can to not die.These protesters are gathering in groups not taking any means to stop the spread of the virus.It's no wonder it seems to only be a problem in the US.
I, too, am a member of the most vulnerable among us. This is life and death for me too. But I am empathetic towards these people who have technically been had their civil rights taken or trampled on. That’s just a fact. Now I realize you’re not even from the USA, correct? Nevermind, it doesn’t mater. You have no real feel for the civil rights enshrined in the constitution, why that is so doesn’t matter, you just don’t. As I said the majority of them ARE practicing the social distancing. What you see on tv is the one or two places where some of the protestors weren’t, because that’s the narrative the media have chosen, and that’s what you mindlessly believe. So, nope, once again, you’re misinformed.
Then you need to get the bare minimum of people back to work to deliver the food and milk, not just let everyone go pokemon chasing.
I didn’t say scrap the social distancing or just go back to 100% normal. But “minimum” isn’t as small as people think. E. g you can’t just deliver milk. In most states it’s illegal to just sell people raw milk. It needs to be processed and packaged first. A lot of people are needed to make all these kinds of complicated supply chains work.
As long as they don't have to interact with each other in close quarters, why aren't they working now? Aren't milk processing plants largely automated, these days?Are you sure it's because of COVID-19?"Dairy Farmers Pour Out 43 Million Gallons of Milk Due to Surplus" - 2016time.com/4530659/farmers-dump-milk-glut-surplus/
@goaded Are you saying it's not?
I don't know, where did you get that information?
@goaded News sites, MSM channels, YouTube news and commentators. Take your pick.There's no demand to buy it, so there's no demand to process it, transport it, etc. But the cows still need to be milked, so it gets dumped.www.miamiherald.com/.../article242065116.htmlabcnews.go.com/.../story?id=70268302theconversation.com/why-farmers-are-dumping-milk-down-the-drain-and-letting-produce-rot-in-fields-136567www.wired.com/.../
You're right, of course. I found some articles backing you up, but I couldn't find this opinion any more to correct myself.It's all about a whole class of customers going away, schools, restaurants, etc., and no way to get the food to other customers, yet. It's the toilet roll problem, again, a large proportion of the paper used to go to large organisations, then everyone wants the same amount of TP, but in smaller packages.The choice is between carefully getting back to work with the miniumum number of deaths, or going off half-cocked and having hundreds of thousands of them.Lots and lots of testing is needed for the former option.
Maybe learn how to spell the word "constitutionally" before acting like you have any idea what rights it does or does not afford and what rights the states have during a declared state of emergency and I really can't overstress how important that is.
@jakerson181 Spelling mistakes? Really? That what you have?You might want to rethink that in future its not a strong move.
In my world, if people want their thoughts and ideas to be considered and taken seriously, they learn how to write, they learn how to spell and they care enough to proof their comment before pressing submit. Failure to do so leads me to conclude either they are poorly educated or they are simply too lazy to care. Neither of which let alone both, makes me want to care about what they have to say. You can think of it as petty if you like, but that's the thinking in the circles in which I travel. I'm sure in the circles you travel, you're thought of as an intellect.
@jakerson181 If you dont have anything of any substance to submit dont bother to reply, Im not interested in your circles, what you said means precisely dick.
You should really consider taking your own advice. You started this little interaction by replying to my comment and I'm still waiting for the first comment from you that has even a tiny shred of substance.
@jakerson181 You aren't waiting, i have submitted substance, you just ignored it because you dont have anything to say.
"It's all illegal. We want our freedoms," blah blah blah blah. In your world, is that what passes for substance? Also, learn the difference between debunk and ignore. I know dude, learning words and their proper usage is not "your thing". Now waiting on the uber clever comment about me living in my mom's basement. If I'm correctly reading my "Guide to What Right Wingers Say When They Are Badly Losing an Argument", I think that's next, no?
@jakerson181 So you are presumably self identifying as whatever left wing is and i am right wing because?Oh you think I voted for Trump because you dont understand that i dont even live in the same country as you.So you feel that they are putting other peoples lives in danger.Ok, there is some merit to that argument.I can see all the sides of the argument you see, i just favour the freedom side of it because that is what is important to me and because i can appreciate that harm is being caused no matter what choices are made.Unfortunately in your 'world' there is only one way of looking at things and that is apparently whatever position the state takes up.But thats Trump though?You should really make your mind up if you are for or against Trump or left or right wing or whatever.They are pretty meaningless terms actually but they seem important to you even though you can't decide which one you are.
"Oh you think I voted for Trump because you dont understand that i dont even live in the same country as you."Wait... you don't even live in the United States but you think you're an expert on and are in a position to lecture me on what the U. S. Constitution and our state laws do or don't allow? How are you even able to walk with brass balls that big?How about this? Mind your own Goddamn fucking business about what's happening in my country since you don't even live here and worry about what's happening in your own country. I'm sure there's enough there to keep you occupied. How about that? Does that work for you?
@jakerson181 Not really, it just demonstrates that you dont have anything worth while to say.
Sure. Right. You bet.
You didn't address any of the things i said.So run away now little boy, go and tell mummy where the bad man hurt you.
I addressed every thing you said. Multiple times. You're just simply unable to understand anything written that's beyond the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader. There's no award for who can be the biggest asshole on GaG so please stop campaigning.I'm sure you'll respond to this with yet another stupid comment. And that's fine. You can have the last word. I'm sure in terms of what constitutes a highlight in you life, that will absolutely make your night. I am disappointed I still haven't gotten the living in your mom's basement slam. You got close with the mommy and daddy stuff but not all the way there. C'mon man, do it for me once. With all the time I've wasted responding to a low I. Q. type like you, it's really the least you can do.
@jakerson181 Im almost embarrased for you, but left? right? Did you read any of that? No?Maybe you debunked in your dreams and forgot to put it down on paper.
What do you think the death toll would be if America (thus the world) fell into an economic depression?
This virus appears to have a mortality rate of 1% (though actually the strain in northern Europe is supposed to be more aggressive). World wide that would equate to 70million deaths if left to run unchecked. With measures put in place, current global deaths are under 200k, lets assume it will eventually reach 2m. Will deaths from an economic downturn reach 60m? Great depression in '30's is attributed with 7m deaths. Even doubling that for the increase in world population since, still a long way short of what the virus could kill. We haven't seen a pandemic of this like since the Spanish flu, which killed at least 17m, over 600k in the US. If your happy for that level of death then open up. Otherwise we need 6 weeks to regulate the number of cases and for the experts to plan for the best way come out of lockdown. A vacinne or gerd immunity are some way off. Right now the best way of saving lives is to continue with lockdowns
Well, were reaching six weeks of lockdown already, and the fatality rate is much lower than predicted. Not to mention it was the economic uncertainty of the Great Depression that directly contributed to WWII. I'm not claiming that if a depression occurred now we'd see a world war, but desperate people do desperate actions. Considering the rate of infection appears to be on a downward trend, and has affected regions drastically different. Is broadly applying the arbitrary rate of infection the health experts strive for the wisest course of action? The thing is there's a lot of uncertainty with the Corona virus. The worst could be behind us or it has yet to come. We don't know. We do know that if we do nothing to get the economy back to, or at least nearing, full functionality we will face an economic depression.The choice isn't between a global pandemic or a global economic collapse. It's between a global pandemic and economic crash, or just a pandemic.
Infection rates have only turned down due to the measures taken. Once you atart to relax lockdown you will get a second wave. If you want to keep the number of deaths down you'd need to slowly open up certain sectors of the economy, but the entertainment sector, pubs, clubs, restaurants, cinemas, sports venues, should be the last ones. Large volumes of people in close proximity, will spread the virus very quickly.In general, it seems the scientific advice seems to be there will be disruption to normal daily life till the end of the year. The more social distancing you relax the more people will die. It's a balance between tue economic effect and number of deaths. In UK, the government have intoduced a number of initiaives over a 3-4 month window to protect jobs and try to ease pressures on businesses. I don't know so much on measure being taken by US at a federal or state level. Taking China as a guide, the lockdown wherethis all started was around 11weeks. And they've now lifted some restrictions.
Let's not take China as a guide. And let's not make appeals to authority. Especially when our understanding of the Corona virus is so lacking that no authoritative position could be reasonable made. We can't even confirm it was the lockdown that was responsible for the decrees in morality. It's a reasonable assumption to make, but that's all it is. But it's a fact that the lockdown has already caused massive damage to the economy. Continuing would only worsen it. The UN just reported we could face "biblical" famines because of shortages due to a stalled economy. Another six weeks in lockdown is an unaffordable luxury at this point.
@lolcraft Last time, there were about 10,000 suicides associated with the great recession, across Europe and North America. The US usually has about 40,000 a year.www.ox.ac.uk/.../2014-06-12-recession-link-over-10000-suicides-west
And that's if they're violating social distancing.
sure, but so what? There's very little that can be done beyond letting it burn through the households that are already infected. The household to household transmission is critical. Sever that and you crush the R0 after a few weeks.
You got the polio vaccine, and that virus doesn't mutate. Measles, too.
so they are saying some people should be sacrificed? The weak ones, the teen who have asthma, the elderly, babies... minorities then... it's not a lockdown forever... containing the virus saves lives... until a vaccine.. they are irrational.
The common cold is just as deadly if you let it turn into pnemonia I worked with chemical and Biological material man made and have been trained to operate inside infected zones and operate decontamination sites not worrying about it
how does that change what I said?
Study history. Mao is of particular interest. We don't want to end up there.
@BlackWidow93 Their leader is also controlled by the same people who controlled Obama and every other president since either me or you have been alive. Politics is just a circus. If Trump didn't want people to be in their homes right now he would just use his power to stop all of this. It is all just a complete joke.
The video is unavailable m8
@Iamagoodguy Really? Works fine for me.
Strang it said it wasn't available
And still does can you play the video
It takes me to the video but if I try to play it it doesn't work
What? Are you OK? (Liking seemed inappropriate, somehow!)
I don't think they are the problem, right now. They might be the survivors!
@BlackWidow93 I haven't seen them on the news here in MA.
I don't know there's gotta be a rally somewhere. The news doesn't report everything
@BlackWidow93 My mistake, they went to the Governor's home. 😂www.google.com/.../
Well that's fun. People are disrespectful
And selfish, entitled. All negative American stereotypes