So straight out, two of the nation's most recent Presidents share breathtakingly similar personal and political qualities to the current occupant of the WH. For those offended by Mr. Trump, we've been here before.For that matter, in terms of policy, the President's is a mishmash of policies that span the spectrum. His instincts for protectionism, which has made him rather popular with "rank and file" labor union members, and his stand on immigration - which historically contradicts Reagan's stand - to his support for mandatory paid family leave to his support for prison sentencing reform. He will not touch entitlement spending, government generally is where it was under Mr. Obama, save for an increase in defense spending, and tax cuts are standard GOP fare. There is a little bit of everything for everyone with no unifying theme beyond a populist appeal.The truth is the nation reaped what it sewed. So while I am no fan of Mr. Trump, a little more historical perspective and far less hyperventilating helps.
Historical perspective huh? I seam to remember several Republicans almost getting a heart attack over then president Obama doing a military salute with a cup of coffee in his hands. Given that Trump is barely speaking English at this point and proposed injecting bleach into people to cure them from the coronavirus and probe people with ionizing ultraviolet lights, this is without a shadow of a doubt a national disaster by Republican standards.
@Soteris You won't find me defending that. Though military protocol by the commander-in-chief is not an unreasonable thing to expect. Believe me, it was even more embarrassing to be working in Congress as I was when "blue dresses" were the order of the day.My point being that this misses the forest for the trees. There are bigger things to fret over than a sense of embarrassment. Believe me, if that is your motive force, you will have plenty to be embarrassed about. Human beings tend not to always live up to the highest standards.In any event, please note what I wrote above. The criticisms have some validity. However, that should conduce to analysis as opposed to wallowing in emotions like embarrassment. Because nothing is quite so embarrassing as the culture that spurred the election of such people - not just Trump but the likes of the equally cringeworthy AOC. This is a problem of culture and not individual human frailties.
One: This is something proudly broadcasted to the whole nation and by extension the world as a whole which means your national figure head is dragged through more mud than probably any other time in national history.Two: The implication of this quite frankly goes beyond simple stupidity and incompetence and crosses well and truly into the realm of "Where on the actual brain damage scale do we place our President?"And Three: Should a person who is clearly mentally ill be in charge of your country, much less have access to the largest stockpiles of nukes on the planet?Trust me, no one has more appreciation for how much other stuff is truly wrong with USA at the moment but just because Trump ordered the abandonment of one of USA's best allies last year to be slaughtered by the Turks or the fact that his IQ rates lower than a dog who at least has a chance to understand to not look at the solar eclipse if someone instructs them, does not mean that the slightly lesser example of his lacking character should be overlooked or minimized.All these things are unacceptable and should be pointed out every time they happen. Anything else is accepting a new normal, a lesser normal and is part of why USA is so shitty right now and no one is making a serious attempt at fixing it.
@Soteris He wants to focus on female Democrats. That's what he gets out of any reasonable assessment of the moron leader. Deflection is key.
@Soteris Epithets are not a substitute for an argument. "Brain damage" and the like.Secondly, there are a whole panoply of issues that you take on. It simply would not be possible to do them justice in such limited space. To take one, see my response to this question: It is a good idea that Trump has turned his back on our good allies the Kurds? ↗3) You confuse cause and effect, and in the bargain underestimate the President of whom, to repeat, I am not a fan. However, the issue is not Mr. Trump, but what made his presidency possible. 4) In that connection, as I mentioned, we have been here before. Not only recently but historically.5) Finally - and most pertinently - Oscar Wilde famously said that the problem with socialism is that it took up too many evenings. The same may be said about politics. I have worked in it almost all my working life and I have scarcely spent a minute worrying about whether or not any politician, let alone the President, was embarrassing let alone embarrassed me. Suffice to add I have children and a girlfriend that I love, feisty friends and interesting work. If the President embarrasses you my suggestion then being that you need to fill your life and time with more important things and that politics, paraphrasing Wilde, is taking up too many of your evenings.
Why are you pasting these ridiculously long responses? Trump's a lying moron. It is that simple. Trump being a moron is a trending topic. I work about 100 hours a week. I will use my spare time with politics if I want. I also don't really see it as political anymore. I see it as bizarre.
Well, in your case, I won't make the mistake again - at least not intentionally. Although as you opted to post anonymously it is hard to avoid.That said, my assumption is that if someone takes the time to ask a question, they deserve a well thought out and detailed response, subject to the space limitations imposed by the site itself. So I do it as a courtesy.Few things are more wasted than a one sentence - or worse still, one word - answer. Grant that in your case it would appear that you got more thinking out of it than you put into it. Your emotions then substituting for the absence of intellect. Thus paradoxically aping some of the worst qualities of the President you despise. "Let he who has not sinned..." and all that.
That has got to be one of the most boneheaded defenses I have heard of Trumps abandonment of the Kurds. It reeks of the "What Have You Done for Me Lately?" trope. This is a villainous stereotype both because its incredibly amoral and also because its counter productive. It might make sense to handle things like these incredibly rationally and only work together when it benefits both sides, however this is not practical in reality.Anyone found operating in this manner will be abandoned. No alliance or agreement has any value when one side will only honor it for as long as it benefits them. In fact having no agreements have the same effect since they will still operate according to their same self interest.To put this into perspective this is grounds for kicking USA out of NATO because they are completely useless as part of it in this case. At no point would they honor anyone elses need for assistance because, and I quote "We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow." and "the United States did not align with the Kurds not out of any concern for Kurdish interests, but out of the need to address the problem of the Islamic State as well as complicate the problems confronting the Syrian government."In other words USA would not honor their duty towards other NATO countries unless said interventions did not actively benefit USA however USA would in turn demand that NATO would help them with EVERYTHING. USA is thus a liability for the alliance. Again, this is the argument that you are defending, are you SURE you want to use it?
@Soteris Well, I would respond but I have been informed by the gentleman who posted the question that I have gone on too long.As to "what have you done for me lately." That is the coin of the realm in international affairs. Think of this. In 1918 we were allies of Italy and Japan. 20 years later in a death struggle against them.Gratitude not being a dominant characteristic of the international arena.
Yes, and both Italy and Japan was utterly CRUSHED for this. Again, is this the defense you want to use for USA?
@Soteris If given a choice between a strategically consequential Turkey and an proportionately irrelevant insurgency, I'll take the former.You are howling into a hurricane. A few quotes that embody the nature of the international arena - note: ARENA, and not community - and shape my views on international affairs and foreign policy.From Lord Palmerston: "We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow."From Theodore Roosevelt: "World peace comes not from human kindness or moral restraint, but from balanced power; equilibriums of force restraining the selfish aims of nation-states."From John Quincy Adams: "Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own."From Camilla di Cavour: "Astonish them with our ingratitude." (His response when asked by a reporter what he would do for the Italian liberals who helped him unite Italy.)Oh, and just for fun - Victor Davis Hanson (paraphrasing Thucydides): "Power, not justice... is always the final arbiter of state relations; self-interest, not morality, is what guides and must guide the behavior of states. Appeals to mercy or hope for reprieve are misguided, not rooted in logic or a realistic understanding of human behavior." The way the world is, like it or not.
By your conviction USA would not have joined the Allies in WW2. What would be the point of it quite frankly? Might as well stay neutral or even aid the Axis to defeat the Soviet Union and then benefit from the spoils of war. This was also very much Hitlers viewpoint in fact. He did not particularly care about alliances or agreements although he did have the tact to use them and find loopholes in them instead of outright reject them.He saw the possibility of immense gains by doing so and also suffered complete defeat and alienation. He lost miserably. So will USA if they follow the same worn down path like so many before them.Have you heard of how games can sometimes emulate reality? Have you perhaps even heard of Eve online? It has one of the most brilliant diplomats in the world in fact.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4lMjDuZMMgTo summarize: Always keep your word because your word and your reputation is all that you really have for Diplomacy. What happens if you dont keep your word, and this also includes implicit understandings such as the US-Kurd alliance, is bad.. really bad. It is things that destroy empires and not something USA wants right now of all times.
@Soteris Nope, the United States had a strategic interest in maintaining the balance of power on the continent and assuring that no single state became dominant. (Also, there was an ideological component at play - as would be repeated in the Cold War.) Thus, as FDR understood, it was to be hoped that the US could stay out. However, aid was provided to the UK and later the USSR - the latter in spite of the challenges it posed particularly in ideological terms - in order to act as a counterweight to the Axis. Indeed, had Germany and Italy not made the strategic blunder of declaring war on the US, it is likely we would have limited our intervention to Japan.In any case, you may also recall that even as we waged war on the Axis alliance, we did all in our power to dismantle the British Empire. The pressure being so great at one point that Churchill threatened FDR with his resignation if the US did not back off.US interests were in breaking up the British Empire set against its need to keep the UK as a counterweight to the Axis alliance. So FDR backed off. However, it should not be forgotten that the US forced the UK to near bankruptcy. The narrow American national interest defining the parameters of its policy in the war. (See also later the Suez War for another example.)
LOL this turns into some long debate about history? Trump's a fucking start. That's it. If you can't truly see that get help.
*sigh* I feel that you might just be ideologically too far gone. I mean for starters USA did not dismantle the British Empire, that is just ludicrous. Sure USA might not have been a particularly big fan of colonialism for historical and ideological reasons but the fall of the British Empire (as with every other Empire at the time) had virtually nothing to do with the US.You also have to realize that breaking your nations reputation like USA has repeatedly done comes with a cost. In USA's case you do not really have any more allies and your position as superpower is about to be taken from you. None of this necessarily had to happen mind you but USA has played their cards INCREDIBLY poorly the last few decades resulting in them burning every bridge and poisoning every well they have.
@Soteris Yes, well, this ideologically too far gone person - with 30 years political experience, a degree in political philosophy and communications and a book collection that my movers a couple of years ago weighed in at 2 tons will not bother to argue further. The author of this question has made it quite clear that he does not want to hear any more and as I recently got rebuked by this site for going on too long I will not press my luck. Suffice to say this aforementioned too far gone ideologue would like to say, the ad hominems directed my way notwithstanding, that it has been a pleasure debating you. In contrast the asker of this question, you have demonstrated - while I think you are mistaken in a number of respects - an intellectual seriousness that he does not share. For that you are to be commended.
You use all those fancy words... you make my pretty little head spin.
😴 😴 😴. Dude chill, Trump is an embarrassment to the country and his comments were even more embarrassing.
Lol and some dude just wrote a 5,000 word excuse for trumpy. Like I would bother reading it.
Let me guess: "I am a Republican who does not care for, and did not vote for, President Trump. ... Obama was one of the worst presidents, according to an article I totally once read, but can't find..."
@goaded You left out the "I've worked in politics since the 1890's" part.
That part, I can believe. It explains the lack of concern for facts and honesty.
I used my super hacking skilz to see what he's been saying since he blocked me. :) (I looked while not logged in!)"How many deaths do we lose to suicide each year? 800,000 We know that suicides go up - indeed they already are - in a recession. So add to that total.How many Americans die in domestic violence each year? 2, 340. We know that domestic violence increases in recessions - so add to that total."Note: "we", in the first case is the whole world; the US has 30-40,000 a year, and the previous recession (thanks also to a Republican president) across the whole of North America and Europe had just 10,000 suicides associated with it, over years.Then came the old "flu kills as many" trope, but that's only in a very bad year, mostly it's half that number, and we've taken extraordinary measures to limit the damage from covid-19.This thread did not age well...Anybody else here completely indifferent to this Coronavirus panic nonsense? ↗Oh, and Sweden? Doing really badly, now, since well before he most recently brought it up.
@goaded Humans can't be tricked back into reality when they drink the orange koolaid. It's upside down world.
It's not just Trump, though, it's the whole Republican establishment: Divert, Deny, Distract.McConnell is more to blame than Trump; they had the opportunity to get rid of him, simply by listening to evidence and making an informed decision, but chose not to.
@goaded McConnell is a real pos. His wife that he never had sex with is even more evil.
It's all so bizarre. He's so stupid he wouldn't last an hour working at Arby's.
Lol dude answers "show me a video of him saying that". Americans are hilarious... some... many... ugh
Lol sadly yeah
I'm all in for companies hiring mentally disabled people but I really don't believe any leader of any country should be. Maybe that makes me mean?
No it makes you sensible.
I wish I was the "all time points leader" :P
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Do you do heavy drugs? Just curious.
Define heavy as i smoke weed and I drink
Then I don’t sleep insomnia is a bitch if I didn’t drink And smoke at night then I could break the record for days not slept
No need. All video of trump is fake. Fake news!
Then why make fake GAG questions on Trump?
Lol how did you get like this?
Years of everyday experience on here
Ugh. You should stay off here then. Good luck with all that.
I am a grand all time points leader
Wow that is really impressive. One time at band camp...
Your an old timer be mature
I will but I'm too busy injecting Lysol.
There are two, here. American G@ggers: Are You Satisfied With Your President? ↗OK, he only says perhaps they should look into it, but what the president says has consequences, like the person who died drinking fish tank cleaner. And anybody who had a parent who cared about them knows you don't put cleaning fluids into your body.
@goaded But Brawndo has what plants crave. Electrolytes!
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