I support dictatorship and monarchy (assuming the person is good hearted which most aren't)But yeah, you're right about a prick that goes about oppression and genocide of innocent people.
I don’t like dictatorships, but that’s besides the point. Totalitarian dictatorships, however, is where the crappiness of leadership hits a whole new level
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I don't know where you got your idea of the Nazis from, but that was entirely detatched from reality.They weren't atheistic ("Gott mit Uns"!), there wasn't a Kaiser, they persecuted non-Christian religions, not all religion, gun control was for the people they didn't like, not everyone.As to ideologies that grew out of the enlightenment, don't you approve of everyone having a vote, and wasn't feudalism worse?
@goaded Its historical fact that one, the Nazi's persecuted religions and replaced God with the 'Ubermensch' ( Hitler in other words ) and that Hitler was a massive believer in the Charles Darwins: Survival of the fittest which allowed Hitler to send his people to destruction. The Nazi party totally propagandized the whole essence of Germany and the Germans, his violent racial nationalism which springs from his conviction that the Aryan stocks where superior. That is anything but Christian, he made numerous statements to confidants denouncing Christianity as a harmful superstition. Hitler wasn't a Christian and neither was Nazi Germany, they did not believe in a deity and Jesus was a Jew. The toror is the first testament in the bible, who's books did he burn? Yawhew is the Father, Jesus the Son, his violent hatred of the Jews as racial enemies of all Aryans put him and Germans in opposition to Jesus and Christians. Plus his strenuous efforts to reduce the influence and independence of Christianity in Germany after he came to power, Hitler's major academic biographers concluded that he was irreligious and an opponent of Christianity. Historian Laurence Rees found no evidence that Hitler in his personal life, ever expressed a belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church. So no, he didn't favour Christianity over non-christian religions.You also agree there was gun controls, I don't see what your point was there.Liberalism, Socialism and Fascism came out of the enlightenment and French revolution in its rejection of God. Let's agree to disagree.
Or, let's try looking at the facts.The SS didn't accept atheists. Christians have been persecuting Jews for centuries, the fact that Jesus was a Jew has never bothered anybody.In 1941, Hitler told his General Gerhard Engel: "I am now as before a Roman Catholic and will always remain so.". I assume you mean he wasn't a good christian, which is the No True Scotsman falacy.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottgl%C3%A4ubigWhat was your point about gun control? Mine was that they only restricted gun ownership for the people they were persecuting, and relaxed it for everyone else."Liberalism, Socialism and Fascism came out of the enlightenment and French revolution in its rejection of God."So did universal sufferance, the American Revolution, ideals such as liberty, progress, toleration, fraternity, constitutional government and separation of church and state. There are still one or two churches in Paris!Trust me, you would not like to have been living in the 18th century, life expectancy then was 35 years.
@goaded Atheist definition: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or Gods.The SS was run by Heinrich Himmler, a former Catholic ( former ) who left the church, non-denominationalism by definition is not Christianity. Jesus said to Peter " And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church: and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it" Heinrich Himmler left the church and opened the gates of hell.Hitler let the leading members of the Nazi party compete agaisnt one another as his philosophy on life was more to do with Charles Darwins Fittest of survival than anything else. He was not a Christian and you have zero evidence to prove so, most respected historians consider him to have been irreligious, anti-Christian, and scientific. In light of evidence such as his fierce criticism and vocal rejection of the tenets of Christianity. Secondly, it was Christians who hid Jews in their churches at the risk of death and suffering at the hands of the Nazis, not solely Christians but countless accounts of such bravery across Europe when people were hoarding Jews into the back of trucks and trains. Your point of ancient persecution is irrelevant, I could bring up the persecution of Jesus at the hands of Jews but what relevance does it have? "Mine was that they only restricted gun ownership for the people they were persecuting, and relaxed it for everyone else." Yes that's why you should be against gun controls lol that is the whole point.The American Revolution did have a denomination grounded in Christianity, you're kinda proving my point here.
I know the definition, and I linked to what he left the church to be, and it was literally "God-believer". By your definition, all protestants are athiests, that will come as a surprise to them!You might like to look up the behaviour of some of the popes in medieval times, you'd call them atheists, too.People protected persecuted people, and that's the right thing to do. It doesn't change the fact that the Nazis called themselves christians, just like the slave owners in America did.Many of the founding fathers were Deists, which you'd probably also call atheists.
@goaded I used the definition of the church, not my owe lol Muslims are God-believer" and so are Jews, doesn't make them Christians. Nazis called themselves Christians, Nazi's said a lot of things, didn't know they were the moral standard of truth. Don't watch what they say, watch what they do. Historians are not on your side on this one, the Nazi's took over a Christian country, didn't make the ideology of nazism, Christian. What drove these men wasn't Christ, they didn't attend church or fight for the kingdom of God.Philosophers of Nazi Germany:Alfred Baeumler, was a leading interpreter of 'Friedrich Nietzsche's' philosophy as legitimizing Nazism.Alfred Rosenberg, considered one of the main authors of the key Nazi ideological CREEDS, including the racial policy of Nazi Germany, antisemitism, Lebensraum, abrogation of the Treaty of Versailles, and opposition to degenerate art. He is also known for his 'rejection of Christianity'.There are so many more examples, I am bored about talking about Nazis at this point. We'll agree to disagree but you really should know your own history.
"I used the definition of the church, not my owe lol Muslims are God-believer" and so are Jews, doesn't make them Christians."It certainly doesn't make them Atheists!
I have some Japanese friends like this who hate Chinese. Their opinions are distorted by Chinese immigrants who come to the country poor and sometimes resort to Triad or prostitution or shady business practices. Some of that has been amplified with the current situation. So I still enjoy them as friends but I try to talk them out of it. And I managed to talk one out of it -- he's now best friends with one of my Chinese friends.
You know, I see this kind of trigger-warning safe-space culture that's arising, and sometimes even the white supremacists and Neo-Nazi types don't seem so bad in comparison. As a caveat, I don't agree whatsoever with their views. But at least they have balls.
I'm actually very much against this type of discrimination. I'm biracial. I've been discriminated both ways. But I have my own way to do this and it's not to hate or dismiss. It's not to turn the world into a safe space. It's to share our most blunt opinions, even if we hate them. It's to be "offensive". Because if we can't risk being offensive, then what I have seen in my workplaces that tried to enforce these PC ideas have had the effect of people walking on eggshells, segregating, and talking far nastier shit than ever before behind each other's backs. This is not a way towards unity. Unity starts with a conversation. If someone wants to run away and take offense, they are the ones that need to work on themselves, not society. We cannot unite if we can't share even the strongest opinions that we disagree with.
As a final note, I like to fix shit. You give me a guy who hates Jews or Chinese or whatever, and I want to fix shit. If we just dismiss them then how are we supposed to have any chance of fixing shit? It's through this dismissal and disassociation of opinions we dislike that we find endless conflict and never a chance to change a single mind.
If I had immediately dismissed all people who disliked my biracial qualities, then I would have half as many allies and twice as many enemies. I'm a converter. I'm a missionary. I try not to dismiss. It gets the better of me at times but I make an effort to be patient. And I can at least reflect back on my work here and say I did good, for sure, that I didn't feel hatred and instead fueled unity and tolerance. Dismissal is not the route. You dismiss someone with bigoted views and they just reinforce themselves with an echo chamber of supporters who share the same views. You don't convert that way. If we are actually interested in doing good, we have to entertain their ideas... at least try not to be too offended by them.
Yeah, by your logic you can be fond of people like Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer and every other Psychopath that like to express their very dark and twisted ways of thinking and acting. C'mon dude.
It's a bit different these days if you see like a white supremacist like a Richard Spencer, e. g. He's not violent as far as he can tell. He just wants to protect his "own kind". I see many races do this but we're somehow more biased against whites, perhaps due to the history. I see some people on this site talking about that sort of stuff. I'm not sure about skinheads and Neo-Nazis and how far they go but not all of them are serial killers. Some of them are just raised a certain way. Some of them just have limited experience interacting with the people they've been taught to fear or hate. Of course, I don't expect to convert a Jeffrey Dahmer. But I might have been able to convert a Megan Phelps if we had talked.https://youtu.be/bVV2Zk88beY
You are Christian right? I am very fond of you and I don't mean disrespect (you are one of my favorite people here), but sometimes I think I'm somewhat more Christian in my thinking than you are even though I am an atheist. What happened to hate the sin, not the sinner? Do we cast the first stone now? We who are somehow without sin? Of course, there are hopeless cases likea Jeffery Dahmer or a Charles Manson. It shouldn't take more than a few minutes of convo to realize that. But I don't think every person who admires Hitler is necessarily in the same category, as challenging as they might be. And maybe we'll fail 90% of the time with such a case to get through, to persuade them even the slightest bit in our direction. But it's only with an effort that I can imagine a better world... a more virtuous world... because everyone else dismisses them, and they aren't going away doing that.
... you take the innocence of a child and you can teach them to love Hitler. They don't know any better. We can't teach them any better if we lump all of them in the same category as Charles Manson.
People can't stand when whites work in their own interest.
I'm always amused about you atheist talking about the Bible when you are so ignorant of it.There's no such thing as "love the sinner hate the sin foolishness" it is unbiblical.My point still stands, anyone that likes or admire evil people is disgusting and evil themselves.Proverbs 29:27An unjust man is an abomination to the righteous,And he who is upright in the way is an abomination to the wicked.
So that proverb is saying that being righteous is subjective. Lol
I didn't say to love the sinners. I said to hate the sin, not the sinners. That is a reflection of casting the first stone. Christ did not spread Christianity to those who readily believed. He spread it to unbelievers. He had resistance. If you think the path of righteousness is not without resistance, then that is an easy life. We can dismiss all who disagree. I do not think this was what was intended for us if God had any intentions. Again take the innocence of the child who is born to a family of Hitler lovers. That child is innocent, would you not agree? He/she does not know right from wrong. Whatever free will they exercise is under misguidance. We can provide that guidance. We have a chance to steer them the right way... but not if we dismiss them.
You listen to what I'm saying with your heart. Did God not give you a heart? if so you may be damned as I am, and we can meet in hell and continue our discussions there.
@7771999: Righteousness is according to God's commandments, not what you think its righteous. Many evil people live bad lives and support evil conduct yet consider themselves good or justify their own way and twisted thinking.
Some people are twisted in their way of thinking because they had poor teachers. Rights and wrongs are not that obvious to everybody. Not everyone has your Holy Bible. Some never even had access to it. This is why missionary work is admirable work. Surely you can see the value as a Christian of converting a heathen to the way of Christ, however, you think that manifests. From my perspective, if we judge all those with views other than our own, however misguided we deem them to be, then we are not doing much different internally at least in the way that Hitler evaluated Jews and others deemed as Untermensch. He did not give them the time of day. He damned them based on very limited information.
Everybody has a conscience God gave people to innately know between good and evil. Once you cross and violate you conscience a bit your mind becomes defiled and very corrupt.
We have a whole slew of human history to contest some ideas of that from Vikings pillaging Christian monasteries to Hitler to Roman conquests to the Spanish Inquisition to pretty much the whole of ancient civilization and onward. I often see a greater source of wickedness in the analogy equivalent of the one who casts the first stone. The one most eager to smite demons often takes the form of a demon, because he takes on the omnipotent judgment of God. Those who decide for God who is damned and who is not -- they can take on the worst forms. Perhaps it is good to be reluctant to cast stones, at least to people who don't immediately endanger ourselves and our loved ones.
The Allies who destroyed Germany after WW1 were the real demons
@7771999: War and killing other soldiers on a battle field isn't wrong but once you cross over to killing innocent children, persecuting innocent people and starving them to death by the most vile ways then it becomes unacceptable.
They didn't kill a lot of German civilians during WW1. But they ruined the lives of millions. Mass starvation and labour shortages that had an impact even after WW2 and beyond.That is pure evil
We might just have to agree to disagree on this one. :-D This is quite a mix of views now to handle for me. Well, still wish you the best HCG: 👊 [fistbump]. I got my way where I want to have some chance to convert the people I meet. There are few I find completely beyond redemption (otherwise they probably would have killed me already).
Man, he is the epitome of a demon. Anyone that can torture innocent children and see them crying in pain, starve them to death, lynch them, gas them etc by default is heavily influenced or possessed by some very evil force in his head and heart. And anyone that likes and supports Hilter is a direct reflection of that person's heart moral character and heart. It tells me if that person was living at that time he will be on Hilter's side.
Yeah, I don't pretend and they are horrible. I will never admire or support some blood thirsty prick who likes to oppress and bring about violence and murder to innocent people.
I'm sorry. But I believe that what is best for your family and people, is morally good.Hitler didn't care what other nations thought of him. He wanted Germany to regain its pride and honour.If the Allies truly gave a shit about innocent people. Then they wouldn't have completely destroyed Germany's economy after WW1.The British helped the Jews in taking over Palestine. Where they now act horribly towards the Palestinians.However. Most of the Israelis don't care. As long as their families and friends are safe.
Nothing to do with guilt tripping white people in Germany. Hitler's acts were unspeakably wicked. Guilt tripping Germans is one of the added benefits. They did, after all, support him.And yes, the obligatory 'it's not so bad because this person did worse'. Got to include that.If one person fucks a kid. The other person fucks two kids. Then the first person still fucked a kid. I'd say hanging would be more appropriate for those sorts of people, rather than people who criticise your moronic sympathies.
Lol. It's obligatory, because people like you seem to only care about this one guy.And obviously. Doing what you said about kids, is horrible. However, a lot of the things that are being said about Nazi Germany is based on Jewish testimony. Which is not biased at all, I guess. LolIt has everything to do with guilt tripping whites. Norwegians are even being guilt tripped, for no reason.Hitler has been given way more power in modern society. Because morons have created this all encompassing evil persona of him.
I mean, you're confusing two different things. Sure, Jews almost certainly have become (probably understandably) histrionic about the event, and have used it to manipulate, gain sympathy, maybe do evil things in Israel. I can get behind that. Therefore, according to your logic, that lessens the significance of the extermination camps, which were downright wicked in my eyes, but by your logic, hang the people who white shame! To me, there are two issues there. You have Jews subsequently not acting in a best way, sure I can get behind. And you have extermination camps, which to me, are downright awful. But to you, LOL. Whatevs. Live and let live man. Gotta have my radical friends, lol.Also, I don't care about Hitler. I call a spade a spade. I see immature psychopathic cunts everywhere. If you get what I'm trying to say.
I'm not in any way saying the labour and extermination camps were an awesome thing. I believe that Hitler wanted the Jews gone, no matter what. That's why he was trying to work with the Zionist leaders in Germany.
It could also be that the whole society is systematically brainwashed
@7771999 The whole society is brainwashed but hating someone for their skin color is a very ignorant thing.
I don't. But okay
@7771999 Ok then so what is your point?
My point is that today's society deals with indoctrination, just like Nazi Germany.Just another ideology
@7771999 I don't disagree they are just as bad. The only difference is they don't straight up try to kill people outright they poison the water and food and let people die slow.
They degenerate European society. Causing mass depression.Nazi Germany was for its people. They weren't traitors
@7771999 At some point though all world leaders got together and started working against the masses.
Yes... They should be punished for treason against their people. No matter what nation they're a part of
He gotta be very evil. Logic tells you if you desire to stand on the Devil's side then you are evil too. Light and darkness don't mix.Hilter espouses some very disgusting acts and hatred in his heart.
Agree so you on the side of good
See you on the good side
Well ypu are the Queen of England afterall.
@ItalianGuy2021 Oh god not this again lol
@ItalianGuy2021 Lol okay😂
The Queen of GAG as well!
Dude must get all the ladies.
The woman this guy will attract with his heart and will be horrible human beings with cruel hears. You can count on that.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy Yeah tbh I wouldn’t be surprised if this dude’s future wife murders him. I have a hard time believing any woman could learn to tolerate him. 😂
Lol 😂😂You're just amazing dude
Not necessarily murder him, but this type of woman will be cruel and treat him with cruelty in terms she won't care for him when he is hungry, sick and disrespect him as a man. Its very important to be a good person at the core otherwise you will have a very high chance attracting vile people into your life.
None of my friends are vile people. They're loyal and supportive.You two have really no understand of what a nationalist or white nationalist is.You'll preach about empathy and so on. But will turn around and act aggressive towards people you disagree with.
@7771999: You think you have good friends, but when things get very hot their heart will reflect their true self. Evil people attract evil people with dark hearts.And its not about white nationalism, you can have pride in your country and people, but once you start oppressing, murdering and torturing innocent people then you have crossed a line which espouses bitterness and hatred.
You keep talking as if I agree with torture. I'm sure you'd torture people long before I do. Lol
I know I have good friends, because they all know my beliefs. But they haven't left like liberal cowards.
@7771999: You stand by and love Hilter, so what that makes you? Good and decent? Far from it. I will never torture nor oppress someone.
I hope you won't
@7771999 Just out of curiosity, how many people are there like you in Norway?
Not a lot. There's definitely more Arabs and Africans with strong beliefs
@7771999 Does that concern you in any way? That your at odds with a majority of people in your own country? Does that make you question your beliefs?
Of course it does. I used to believe the standard stuff like they do.But it doesn't concern me that much. Because Norwegians are still pretty conservative, for being so modern.My friends are of all races. None of them have stopped being my friend after telling them about my beliefs.
@7771999 So have you told any of your non white friends that your a white supremacist?
My oldest friend is black. He agrees with me
And please. Do us a favour. Stop using "white supremacist" as a way to describe whites who support their own people.
@7771999 You literally self identified as one in one of your comments.
White nationalist doesn't equal white supremacist
@7771999 Ok well what’s being white got to do with nationalism? Is being white a requirement for nationalism?
No. Of course not. LolBeing a white nationalist means that you advocate and support every European nation. As in every European ethnic groups right to protect their true people and culture.
@7771999 Yeah I got no issue with that. Encouraging too many immigrants or refugees can displace your own culture if your not careful about it. Regardless I still find your admiration for Hitler disturbing. He killed and harmed his country’s own people who were of no threat to him.
I don't believe Ashkenazi jews are of German ancestry.Like I said. Just because I am impressed by his leadership, and orchestration of Germany's rebirth. It doesn't mean I'm glad he did what he did with the Jews.Norway had laws in its constitution against allowing Jews to enter the country up until the 1850s. There are other ways of getting rid of evil and degenerate forces within your population.
@7771999 Right but what makes the jews so especially evil?
Not every jew, obviously. But they controlled a lot of the media and banking industry. Fucking up the country from within, slowlyIt was a known issue. The Jews landed a bunch of money to the allies during the first world war. Because they had an agreement for the creation of Israel.
@7771999 Oh so they were almost singlehandedly responsible in a sense for the hardships ordinary Germans faced, and they did nothing to help despite their proven power over the population?
They had way more power than a minority should ever have
@7771999 Yeah I kinda remember hearing that tbh. The jews ended up becoming even more prosperous and powerful after WW1 when ordinary germans were still struggling to scrap by. Though I’d still like to hear more from you if you could find me any sources that went into further detail about it.
@7771999 I’m still somewhat ignorant on the matter myself, you clearly know more about this than I do. As an alternative to genocide, what do you think would have been a better solution to dealing with the situation?
Well. I believe that the Haavara agreement would've been the better solution. Sadly, the British got the better side of the deal decades earlier.