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What makes the Republicans worse? 🤔
@Red_Dragon morningconsult.com/.../As an example.
Don't put your stake in the polls. They always lie.
@Red_Dragon Elections are just glorified polls.
Hillary would have won if it was that way. Remember she cheated and won the popular vote. She can't cheat the electoral vote though. That's why Trump won. They'll try the mail in cheat next.
@Red_Dragon That is literally not how any of that works.
Says the guy who believes a poll online and an actual election are the same.
@Red_Dragon They are. Like literally.
@Red_Dragon Electoral vote = Popular vote = A choice in a poll. The only difference between Electoral vote and Popular vote is that Popular votes counts actual votes where as electoral votes assigns a value to said votes. The difference between the Election and the poll is the number of people questioned.
Ohhh "the only difference." Enough said. It is different. Again you can't cheat the electoral votes. You can cheat a tally, which is all popular vote is.
Another thing: When they do the mail in votes it'll be the same thing. They could use deceased people as votes for example. For Hillary they used Russian bots ironically.
@Red_Dragon Its different in the same way that an inch is different from a foot. They still measure the same thing but in different ways. Also you can cheat the electoral vote, easily even. They are doing it right now and has been doing it since before I was born.
They still measure the same thing but in different ways. Well no shit. That's the point. No it not as easy to hack the electoral vote. In fact you can't in a literal sense. Here read this:www.bustle.com/.../199799-is-it-possible-to-hack-electoral-college-vote-the-process-is-actually-pretty-solid
@Red_Dragon That is literally one of the most stupid things I have ever heard. First of all I never said anything about hacking, that is a rookie mistake to assume you have to do such a thing to exploit the electoral system for your own benefit against its designed purpose.No, its far more easy than that. If you want to exploit the electoral system then you want to eliminate as much democracy as you can because democracy is harder to control than most other things. You would do things such as remove as much electoral voting power from the majority and giving it to the minority, giving you less people you need to manipulate.Like for example making it so the states with fewer people have a disproportionately high electoral voting power. Like how Wyoming has around 5 times the voting power per person as New York meaning any effort you do to winning over Wyoming voters is 5 times as effective.You could also change how the electoral votes are distributed. It would be a shame if you got the majority of votes in a state but did not get all the electoral votes because they were split according to how many votes you have. Better to give all the electoral votes to the winner. Likewise you should ensure that the states you will lose divide up their electoral votes so you can get extra votes from them and weaken your opponent. Kind of like how Republican states refuse to split the vote and democratic states believes in democracy.But yeah, fundamentally they are the same as actual votes. Its just that you did not even understand my analogy and thought you made a cute point by complaining about how different units defined the measurement differently missing the point that they are all true and none are misleading.
Wow someone is a little triggered. Lol. "First of all I never said anything about hacking". 🤔 When did I say you said that? Hacking is a form of cheating. You can call it what you want. Point is electoral votes aren't as easy to cheat with for a multitude of reasons. For one again the reps have to physically be there and sign off on it as opposed to not having IDs or adding votes (via bots or whatever) with the popular vote. Our founding fathers and Congress knows this. This is why Hillary didn't win lol. I don't know how many times we have to go over this. I've given you numorous things to read that shows you the difference and you admit there's a difference. Now let's move on to the rest of this Idiocracy. What exactly am I the rookie of? 🤔 You're two years older than me which means I've voted the same amount of times you have. Wouldn't that make you a rookie as well? Like what the hell are you even talking about? Ohhhh so now you do believe that the electoral vote is more important? Otherwise why try to take away as much of it as possible? You're hypocritical. You really don't make much sense because you're not standing by your statements by going back and forth. You said electoral and popular are one in the same. Then you said there is a difference. Now you say that if you wanted to win an election by cheating you'd need to take the power of the electoral vote as much as possible. Sounds like you are arguing for the sake of arguing.Sure you could change how many votes each state gets. They did that as of last year for a lot of states. But to me that also makes it fair. More people should have more of a stake in state wise. If that's your argument on cheating then okay but you'd have to get that approved through congress first. It's much harder to say "Okay let's make Wyoming count more because I can win that state." Than to say use deceased citizens as votes.
So case in point yes you can cheat the electoral vote, but like the article I sent you it's much much harder to do. There is zero proof Trump cheated the electoral vote. There is proof Hillary cheated the popular vote.
@Red_Dragon There you go again, you do not "hack" the election in the way you imply. You do it through the means I already outlined and yes you did specifically say "No it not as easy to hack the electoral vote." and linked me to an article that ONLY talks about hacking the vote which has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation.Also your whole argument about how its so much "safer" falls flat on its face since they vote according to the voters. If you argue that the voters are compromised because of illegal voters or bots then you have already taken full control over the electoral vote from the start.This is also not what the founding fathers intended at all. The electoral vote was a product of compromise. They were split on the issue, some did not trust the people in power, others did not trust the people to make a democratic choice and what resulted was something worse than both.To summarize. If you were to influence the election it literally does not matter what part of it you target. You could do as you claim and change the votes themselves which would force the electoral collage to enact your stolen election or you could do what politicians and corrupt people actually do and manipulate the electoral collage such as using gerrymandering or the things I outlined before. That way you dont even need the votes in the first place and you can still win.Either way the electoral collage does not help at all, it only makes it worse and easier to manipulate the election by providing more ways to do it before the election is counted thus enhancing its influence yet here you are applauding it. Disgusting.
You can search on your own for more articles. I gave you two actually. One explaining the difference between popular and electoral since you said they are both the same and one explaining how pain stakingly hard it is to cheat the electoral vote. You can argue all you want. I'm done. Nothing left to say lol.
I literally don't have the time to argue back and forth about this. You win. We'll pretend you're right 🤣😂.
@Red_Dragon I literally can't understand how you dont have any time since what you are doing takes no effort on your part. I mean I actually take the time to learn about these things and here you are acting like a child trying to explain what the electoral collage is or trying to use straw man arguments about how the electoral collage is "hard to hack" when that was literally never part of this conversation.I mean this whole conversation is insane. The electoral collage votes according to the result of the public election. If you "cheat the popular vote" as you imply then you literally change the electoral vote too. The fact that you not only can't see this but start an argument over it is what is wrong with Americans today.
I read and watch politics all day everyday. But unlike most people I don't listen to the corrupt media who is paid by pharma and lobbyists. I don't have time because I have a life.. like most Americans. This is the 2nd day in like 5 years I've been back on here. Lol. So yes I don't have time to argue with some random dude online.
@Red_Dragon.. So? Should I be impressed about someone who admits they probably expose themselves to propaganda every day?
I don't care what you're impressed by.
@Red_Dragon Then why are you here trying to justify yourself by saying you watch political news daily?
I'm not trying to justify anything. You don't have to like it. Don't like it. I don't give a shit dude lol.
@Red_Dragon So why does it matter? You felt the need to include it
Boredom. I don't know. Lol. You seem to care more than me.
@Red_Dragon I care more about the fact that you thought it was worth mentioning instead of you know.. the fact that the popular vote translates into electoral votes?
🤦🏾♂️ this guy. Lol
@Red_Dragon By the way emojies dont work on my browser.