The net effect has been that, while the African-American vote for the GOP has improved only slightly, more and more are simply not voting at all on election day. This being one of the major factors in why Mrs. Clinton lost states like Michigan in 2016. Also, there has been a slight uptick among younger (18 to 21) African-American voters for the GOP. (Youth being a very low turnout group in any case, regardless of race, ethnicity, sex or religion.)At this stage, the changes have been very small and at the margins - though as noted they played their part in costing Mrs. Clinton the WH is 2016. That said, Mr. Biden's ten thumbed use of the language will not likely help matters and may make them worth at the margins.To be sure, Mr. Trump's personality grates on African-Americans and much of what he says has been - fairly or not - characterized as bigoted where not outrightly racist. However, there is the perception of what Mr. Trump says and there is what he has done in terms of policy and on the latter, there has been approval from African-Americans - including the young and prominent figures like Kanye West. Pop culture too, playing its' part.By itself all this will not likely dramatically shift the balance of African-American voters to the GOP. However, with the lower middle class already stampeding from the Democrats to the GOP under Mr. Trump's brand of populism, Mr. Biden has very little margin for error and, in that sense, his gaffes may cost him.It remains to be seen. However, at the very least, Mr. Biden has not helped a political environment that is, however subtle, moving less favorably toward the Democrats. A party that, at the moment, has little new to offer other than its' seething hostility to the man in the WH.
You are correct I will add under LBJ great new society he incentivized mothers of the black community to kick out the fathers because they would get paid more from the government then they would staying with their husbands or boyfriends. And because of that we’ve seen an increase of single mother rates in the black community. Also let’s not forget with the three strikes you’re out bill that Bill Clinton put out put more blacks in jail than any other president. Also Joe Biden has been trying to appeal to the Bernie crowd so he’s been going further left into the socialistic aspects of the far left at the party. Which moderate Democrats purposely voted against Bernie Sanders in order to prevent the United States from becoming a socialistic country however since Joe Biden is trying to pander to the crowd he is going to end up losing the moderate Democrat vote and definitely the independence
Well, you are covering a lot of ground and a lot of different topics and I am not absolutely clear on their relevance to the case I was making. (For example, while the Great Society programs did indeed hurt the traditional African-American family - the so-called "marriage penalty" - it was nonetheless popular with African-American voters.) Be that as it may, the welfare reforms of the late 1980s and the 1990s addressed this - the problem being that it is very hard to un-ring the bell.As far as Sander's appeal to the African-American community, he never had one. Sander's appeal was largely to upper middle income, college educated young people. Mostly the problem the Democrats have had is that their appeal to the lower middle class is slipping and - at the very margins - this is having a similar, but far smaller so far, impact on the African-American vote.That African-American voted tending to be more socially conservative - heavily influenced by the Methodist and southern Baptist churches - and more focused on economic opportunity. To repeat, the main reason for the wide support for Democrats in the African-American community being a generational legacy of the 1960s and Johnson's embrace of the civil rights movement as the GOP was taking a somewhat more states rights focus. (In this, the parties almost flipflopped the positions they had held in the Civil War era and the immediate years after it.)
Oh, by the way, as to the Clinton crime bill, keep in mind that it initially had more support in the GOP than among the Democrats. The Reagan administration was the one that began the turn to "tough on crime."The Clinton Administration was merely bowing to the dominant Reaganite ethos of the era - one that persisted until, ironically enough, the populist libertarian turn of recent years. In that, Trump represents the end of the Reagan era - that era beginning with Reagan and lasting through Mr. Obama. (The latter of whom, you may recall, could not even get the public option into his health care bill despite having a Democrat controlled Congress.)
you brought up the history of black america I felt it was important to add to understand the history, trump is a symbol of the rise of the libertarian party ( unlike joe exotic) but in contrast the democratic have become the party if aoc and bernie sanders which had brought a split in the country of sander vs trump and moderates and independents are caught in the middle of this idealogical battle as well as black Americans whom hopefully will vote trump especially since Joe Biden has been trying to pander more to that Bernie Sanders left as of recently
Well, just for the record, Mr. Trump is a populist and represents the end of the Reagan era orientation toward free market economics. His has been a mishmash of policies and he is, by no means, libertarian in his tendencies. See also as Exhibit A his decisive shift toward protectionism. Populism is not a schematic philosophy but is rather a cultural predisposition that emphasizes a distrust of established institutions, elites and a deep suspicion of complexity. It elevates the "common man" as the paragon of all virtue and tends to foster envy and resentment toward those in authority. In terms of public policy it tends to be a mishmash of programs. Thus, for example, Mr. Trump speaks of tax cuts and smaller government in one breath and in the same breath speaks of protectionism which is government choosing to favor certain industries over others. As to Senator Sanders and AOC, they actually have more in common with Mr. Trump than not. Indeed, not for nothing did 30% of Senator Sanders' supporters in the 2016 Democratic primary elections switch support to Mr. Trump in the general election. As indeed, polls suggest that as many as 15% of Sanders supporters may do so this time.Long story short, while your argument has some merit this is a more complicated picture than the one you have drawn.
Very true both sides wants to elevate the common man. Where they differ is one want to get rid of government control and Sanders wants more government control with the idea its power to the people not realizing he needs a gun to force people to do what he wants them to do.
Well, that is more than a bit of caricature. To repeat, the notion that Mr. Trump differs from Senators Sanders philosophically in his willingness to use the power of the state to further the ends of "the people" is to ignore his turn toward protectionism, which is government picking winners and losers. In that connection, the President is, further, effectively subsidizing old rust belt industries that - frankly - in pure free market economic theory should be allowed to fold. You are exaggerating the differences between Sanders and Trump. Those differences being largely ones of degree and not of kind. Both are populists who are none too picky about the means that get them to their end. Note also Mr. Trump's rather none too subtle violations of the principles of Federalism in the recent pandemic lockdown. The President had little truck with established constitutional principles when it meant giving leeway to those states with whom he is not in sync.For further elucidation, I offer my answer to this question: Why is there an overall shift towards the right (politically) in the world right now? ↗
Yes that’s all joe Biden has to offer. But your opinion are voting trump or Biden.
I would love to debate Bernie I’m libertarian which is the complete opposite of Bernie, he wants to expand federal government i want to disband many of the bureaucracies and limit federal governments control. Considering government sucks at everything it tries to do
Your government might. Quite a lot of other governments manage to balance capitalism and the rights and needs of the workers much better.
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This is a conspiracy theory of mine but I believe the Democrats put forward joe Biden and have him have a black women VP like Mala Harris or Stacey Abrams and then have him resign after the inaugural address so they can get a black women President
I been thinking that as well but most democrats remain adamant that Biden is competent. I don't see it but everything around him sounds suspicious. The fact he continued to say the Democrat nominee wouldn't be decided by one state yet after he wins one state every other candidate besides Sanders and Warren drops out in under 72 hours to hand him the nomination. Yeah nothing suspicious there.
the way he said it didn't sound like a joke, also the left seems to do that with people like Clarence Thomas Thomas Sowell Condoleezza Rice and candice ownens
I agree, both sides take quotes out of context and tone all the time. It’s a common political tactic to win votes. Many times CNN has a top headline of a trump quote. In this case I saw the Biden quote was the top headline on Fox News. Both sides do it because click bait drives traffic. Make sense?
i know, it just seems the left can never hold up to there own standards like the believe all women idea they were all over Kavanaugh in 2018 but won't say anything about the tara reade accusation
Yes. Both sides have radical elements and are not genuine
both sides try? but we still need to hold both sides to the standards they set for themselves. of course being libertarian myself im kinda stuck with the republicans
Except at least one Democratic member of the House has said she believes the accusation, even though the accuser has been shown to have lied about several things.When has that ever happened amongst Republicans?
@goaded that was Ilan Omar of the the members of the squad
Yes, and what Republican has ever said they believed any of the accusations against Kavanaugh or Trump?
Or, since you mention him, Clarence Thomas?
@goaded I wasn’t old enough during Clarence Thomas Clarence and really haven’t studied the case. With kavanaugh republicans were saying let’s listen to what Ford was saying and with hold judgement until the facts came out and then let’s makes a decision from there. Trump we know he has a bad history with women. Personally I find trump hilarious. But we know he’s it’s very likely he harasses women an frankly he’s been sued many times for it. America is in an identity crisis right now either side had good opinions in 2016, trump has been a good president policy wise and the democrats are running a dead guy again we don’t have good opinions both are transition president wall we figure out what Americans wants
i think its time to have a strong 3rd and 4th party. I am solidly libertarian, which mean im stuck with the republican party. i like trump mainly because he's hilarious and hasn't expanded government (also i was routing for him in the primaries just because i knew it was be hilarious. but i like the way he's governed so far. but i like your idea let expand the parties
Quite the tautology haha...
That guy has multiple screws loose