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I'm voting Jo for President (I live in California so my vote for POTUS doesn't count anyway) and GOP for every other race because we have to send a message here about the onerous AB5, which is forcing businesses to reclassify jobs people who were historically contractors as employees. The average 30% increase in costs for those positions is driving many businesses into bankruptcy, while eliminating that flexibility and income for hundreds of thousands of Californians. Oh, and Joe Biden and the national Democrats have promised to enact the job killer nationwide.
@Liam_Hayden Oh yeah, I remember hearing that referenced before. I didn't know Biden endorsed it though. That's terrifying.
Leaning libertarian too. I dread the election. I seriously don't know who to vote anymore. They never have given good options since the start and the dollar seems ready to collapse either way.
Whatever the Democrats came up with in the House had to pass the Republican Senate. What should they have done? It was better than nothing. Last I heard, McConnell was demanding that companies that open up again should be protected from liability if their employees get sick.
@goaded Exactly. I irritated at them both for caring more about political leverage and odds over the needs of the people. Both parties have failed. They are supposed to be one team, which is one government for the best of the nation.
Sorry, but they are supposed to fight for their respective sides, but they are supposed to come to a compromise.One side is saying give people more money, the other is saying stop people suing their bosses if they get sick because of work.
Ya nailed it. South Park was right since 04. Presidency/politics in America is always giant douche vs turd sandwhich. And we argue which is better.
@goaded It's that kind of thinking that has led America to the dark place it is in. Lincoln said something along the lines of "A house divided is doomed to fall". We need to care less about political parties and more about lives.
That's hard when one of the parties demonstrably doesn't, isn't it?
It's the system that's broken, not how the politicians behave. What's needed is a system where people can vote their conscience without worrying about letting the wrong person win. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting for POTUS, and, for Congress, some form of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_voting .
I am a slightly left leaning libertarian at this point, but truth is, nobody on either side has a brain. Choosing giant douche over turd sandwich doesn't say much.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvYg24Jf2jI
You mean the economy Trump inherited from Obama?
@coffeewithcream No, the economy Carter inherited from Ford.You cited Jimmy Carter as a positive example in an economic debate. You have the intellectual credibility of a bowl of cereal and shall be treated as such.
Yes, I did.I pointed out a key economic indicator shows Carter beat Trump and listed a number of other presidential comparisons as well. Facts seem to bounce off the skulls of Trumpees.
@coffeewithcream You cited nothing factual. Go be a hypocrite somewhere else. You can't claim that Trump's economy for his first three years is because of Obama and at the same time claim that Carter's economy for his first three years was all his own and not Ford's. You don't get to have it both ways. Also, as I previously pointed out, the economy shit the bed under Carter in his fourth year, with no artificial economic problem like a pandemic to blame. Carter was a miserable economic president. Period.Oh by the way, the May jobs report came out today. 2.5 million jobs were ADDED. Is that Obama and/or Carter also? Fool.Again, you cited Jimmy Carter as a positive example in an economic debate. You have the intellectual credibility of a bowl of cereal and shall be treated as such.
You're mixing two sets of data to make a point.Job creation numbers were higher than Trump's in a number of presidencies even in a smaller economy. Your knowledge seems to be limited to make the point on Carter's last year. OPEC raised oil prices significantly, affecting the US and world economy. That's not the fault of the government of the day for its last year in office. Carter responded by deregulation to counter that. It's very nice there are Americans back to work. Trump will trumpet that, for sure, as will you. You conveniently ignore the fact that more jobs were lost under Trump than any president since the Great Depression. If you look at Europe, their unemployment numbers show good government management doesn't mean jobs have to evaporate, as they did under Trump. Enjoy your evening. Wear your MAGA hat.
@coffeewithcream I'm mixing nothing. You're a hypocrite and trying to defect and dodge that fact.Jobs were "lost" because the economy needed to be shut down because of the pandemic, Dingleberry.Carter deregulated nothing. He shit his pants while the economy shit the bed. If he had authorized more domestic energy production, it wouldn't have mattered what OPEC was doing.Speaking of wearing things, did Trudeau wash off his blackface yet?
A hypocrite? Because you can't understand facts?My, my. No, the American jobs did not have to be lost. Europe paid employers to keep employees on. The Trump decision was quite different. If you can handle data then you can look up those comparative unemployment figures for yourself and judge whether the Trump decision was disastrous by comparison. It was.But even if you see for yourself that it was, you'd never admit it. And on oil, American oil imports doubled under Nixon. OPEC gave their first oil price shock on his watch. Result? United States was in chaos. Lineups at gas pumps, Nixon calling for thermostats to be turned down. The US economy took a serious hit, inflation and stagnation happening at the same time. It was Carter who solved that crisis, creating the Department of Energy (the same department Trump’s first Energy Secretary suggested eliminating when he was running for president).Carter also passed the National Energy Act. Just in time. OPEC struck again in 1979 and oil prices increased 1,000 per cent. Carter created the Synthetic Oil Corporation to have the United States increase domestic hydrocarbon production and started the “Carter Doctrine” increasing American military presence in the Middle East, particularly in the Persian Gulf, a policy continued under Ronald Reagan. That’s hardly “shitting the bed.”Reagan further dismantled hydrocarbon regulation resulting in an end of conservation and had the Carter-installed solar panels removed from the roof of the White House.
@coffeewithcream Now you're going to cite the European Union as a successful financial model? Just stop. There's only so much a country and its businesses can pay it's citizens and employees to stay home. Even without the pandemic, it's Germany and France that keep the European Union running by having to financially support the Mediterranean countries with their own citizens' tax dollars, which is totally unfair for the citizens of those two countries. It's why the United Kingdom finally left the Union... and it may take years, but France and Germany will eventually do the same. Good luck to the Scandinavian countries trying to financially float the Mediterranean countries as well as Eastern Europe to a degree. I guess at that point without the United Kingdom, France, and Germany we'll really find out if their social democracies really do work!The individual governors have control over the shutdown in their own states. Funny how in the more liberally run states people and businesses are being shamed because they want to get back to work, but rioting is perfectly fine. Selective social distancing I suppose...Who should trumpet jobs coming back so quickly? The states that are still shut down? Obama? Carter? Rioters? Well, actually, I guess rioters DO create construction jobs as a by-product...Inflation occurred under Nixon because he foolishly took us off the Gold Standard. Anything OPEC was doing would've easily been offset by increasing domestic energy production. Nixon, Ford, and Carter all failed in that aspect.I'm glad Carter's response to the NATIONAL energy crisis was to install solar panels at the White House. Problem solved. Also, Reagan didn't have them removed until 1986 when a leak needed to be repaired. I'm glad Obama brought them back. It explains why $535 MILLION of taxpayer dollars went to Solyndra. They were the installation contractors! Another problem solved!Still waiting for you to tell me if Trudeau wiped off his blackface yet...
Your bile and bias is a never-ending waterfall. You can't stick to a topic when you lose an argument. When you're sinking you reach out to bring in material in to try to safe yourself. I'll state again, to get back to the topic, the American unemployment rate is much higher than that of Europe due to the management of the issue. Many American jobs have disappeared as a result and will not return. If you want a good American career, go into bankruptcy management. :)
@coffeewithcream If you were correct with anything you've stated at any point, then you'd be able to multitask in an argument. Liars and hypocrites need one mental focus at a time, because they can't afford to be tripped up with logic, facts, and reality.Better pandemic management in Europe? Like Italy? Again, just stop.Prior to the pandemic, the unemployment rate in Europe was 4.7%. In the United States it was 3.3%. That's a larger percentage over a larger population. It's not better pandemic management. There were less jobs there beforehand."Many American jobs have disappeared (as a result) and will not return." Hmmm... eerily similar the employment fearmongering Obama tried in early 2016 when he was talking about domestic manufacturing jobs never coming back here from China. That's proven to be wrong.Bankruptcy management? No thanks. I'll stick with my $58 an hour as an essential worker (electrician). 👍
@coffeewithcream its been 3+ years its time for you to stop lying to yourself. obama's economy was not this good
#WalkAway #TeamTrump 100%
Then, please vote!
@goaded nah not registered in this state and it's not worth it cause I move to much
As an American, then who gives a fuck? Stay outta our business you european socialist foreigner.
@errorgoodnameunfound Hahahahaha, you read an opinion that i support Trump but call me a socialist. What makes Trump socialistic to you over someone like Bernie? xD
He is a socialist. Look at how much he spent. Not like he helped the national debt. Opposite. I was referring to the Netherlands too. I'm sure you love how much daddy gov't helps you there and wouldn't last a day without it in america. But ofc, you don't reflect much on that, now do you?
@errorgoodnameunfound So basically if i went to america and was able to keep more of my income because of the lower taxes and pretty high wages i would not survive if i am able to afford a country with high tax rates? Seems logical. Trump is not a socialist dude, he is a corporatist backing corporate america rather than a populist sticking up for the people. But i do feel bad for you guys that you let your country federate to the point real democracy is impossible and your now stuck with the situation you have. We have the same issues, but at least we have a chance of fighting back.
The America you speak of with "lower taxes" come with a price you must be prepared to pay. To do so:-own a car, suck it up to massive traffic-walk/bike nowhere because little/no sidewalks-afford a private school or good neighborhood-afford university-afford health care-afford high internet costs-willing to work out at paid gym or at home because parks only have playgrounds if at all, no free workout areas for adults, only benches.Even wealthier people in America have to move around because certain tiny apartments full of roaches can cost millions. But then they have to live in areas that don't offer as much in terms of jobs and basic necessities. So it's still hard. Plus, property taxes in places that brag about "low taxes" is something usually only seen once you're settled. After, it infuriates. Seen it happen. I can't blame somebody for liking Trump, as at least he's against China, but many americans wanted him because he's the closest to a libertarian possible. Libertarian thinking is an ultimate American value and 90% of foreigners I know always misunderstand it or leave parts out, usually because their govt spoils them in at least one more way vs in america where govt offers no help unless you are a business and especially if you have friends in congress. That's why Trump is a socialist too. He did relatively nothing to make things better economically, as -95% of things still come from china-debt is still high-fed is printing money even more than before-he was OK with "free money" handouts "stimulus bill"-he is OK bailing out businesses just like ObamaThis explains it all.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvYg24Jf2jI
also, higher wages? LOL I was right! You ARE out of touch with the average America. Sorry dude, but typical foreigner thinking American wages are higher. How is 7.25 a high wage? Gtfo.
@errorgoodnameunfound 7,50 is a low wage I specifically was referring to my own field. None of this makes Trump a socialist because socialism is about wealth redistribution. And I fully agree America is shittier than the Netherlands which is why at the moment I would not apply for citizenship despite liking the constitution and citizens. The truth isn't that Trump is a socialist but that you have no real choice on your candidates because you made the terrible mistake of federating. Which is why with the EU they pretended it was not a federal state and now more people are waking up they want out of the EU. Your voting process is on such a large scale that true democracy can not work. Your voice is to small to count so it takes extreme effort to get people in office that are not your typical establishment candidates. Trump at least pushes back at some stuff so he is your best bet. Doesn't mean I think he is genuinely doing a good job it just means he is the best option on the table.Wanna fix it? Form a proper people's party that advocates for a smaller federal state with more power to the states themselves. Make sure state level democracy can overrule federal decisions and implement a proper form of direct democracy.Campaigning for all that would require getting people out of this repub vs Dems mindset. Which seems like an impossible task but is your only chance.The Netherlands does not have this issue. New party's can more easily break trough and have a real chance of getting big. So rather than being upset at me and misclassifying your president fix your system and do something about it.
Trump being called a socialist by me isn't meant to be literal, but like other presidents, lets just say "redistributed the wealth" evenly among business that paid to congress for it, and not the average citizen who gets zero government help. Not arguing Trump is the worst option, but it's like picking among different types of shits. We wouldn't even need to re organize gov't and voting as much if general capitalistic ways took place. I get your opinion about forming a people's party that can actually win, but I see zero effort from you to talk economics, which is what Americans actually care about. I dare you to research if you could make as much or more money with the same career while living in a "low taxes" place like... I don't know... Montanna? Hope you hate internet access. Not easy to get in much of that state as well as 75% of America that's not cities that easily price people out. I really would like to hear more from you about economics, but I don't know, I get the feeling europeans in general prefer govt talk vs business. Huge reason why Britain's tea was dumped in the harbor remember? Give me liberty or give me death, meaning focus on economics, get govt out of it. But how can you claim to like trump and all he's associated with, without understanding that?
Also, I thought you liked Trump? So why is America shit under him? That doesn't make sense. You like America being shitty, rather than great?
@errorgoodnameunfound The logic is that he is the best candidate i have seen, and any potential contenders from the democratic front got wiped out. Its my least of all evils choice, not the he is doing what i think your country deserves kind of choice.
That's fine. But again, where is your economic statement? Don't talk to me again until you mention economics, or else this is just all emotion, and not logical, so wastes both our time. I think you are likely too used to an American either loving you because for trump or hating you for it. Libertarians however, when done right, can be very harsh, but always logical and based on economics and the actual American way which I am pretty sure you fail to get, like most foreigners, especially the British.
@errorgoodnameunfound You are responding to my opinion which automatically entitles me to respond. But simply I am an IT system engineer not someone well versed in detailed economics. I can fix systemical issues not analyse mass economics data neither do my sources. I am much more concerned about liberty and currently see two choices. Deep state Biden who can't think clearly and will just do whatever they tell him to do making him bend over to the agenda of the extremely wealthy pretty quickly. Versus Trump who is going against some of their projects and demands.Because I don't know if you noticed but your country is not ready for democracy. So you get to pick between Biden and Trump. Who do you think out of these will do a better job? The guy who bullies other countries to obedience? Or the guy that often has literally no idea what he is doing and will clearly just do what he is told. In other words do you think the deep state has your economical interest when they get full play or will it be Trump having your interest if he pushes back at some of the stuff.
If you were concerned for liberty, you'd demand proper, real, free market capitalism, as that and gov't hands off 80% of the time is legit liberty. I still see only government oriented arguments from you and being an engineer is no excuse, as economics can be the difference between you employed today and fired tomorrow, so understanding basics is important and essential to actually understanding why many Americans chose trump. He was right before the election. Unfortunately, he revealed himself to not actually care about economics and more on rhetoric, just like obama, bush, and most other presidents. If you were an actual MAGA crowd trump voter, you'd get this. You aren't. You are trying to act smart by butting in and pretending to be a trump fan, while in reality, are far disconnected from actual trump voters who don't even like you because you are a foreigner, and especially, from socialist Europe. I am not trying to insult you, but I am telling the reality of how it is, before you assume trump is necessarily the better option. I for one, am unsure to even vote at this point, but instead to push change economically. I also know for a solid fact you were not prepared to handle a harsh, Austrian school, libertarian from Texas, telling it how it is. It really shows, but a good talk is always good I guess.
@errorgoodnameunfound Your perception is screwed because I stated multiple times I merely see him as the best bet. If there was a viable people's candidate I'd ditch Trump immediately. So enlighten me, who should I support? Biden? Someone else who has no chance at winning since all eyes are on Trump? This is not about your ideal libertarian utopia where there magically is a chance someone with that ideology runs and sweeps this election out of nowhere. So this election you got two options. A Democrat candidate or Trump. That's it, anything else is a lost vote this election because you guys did nothing to fix your system. Be ready for the election after this, that's your moment. But right now this mediocre president is your best bet.So given you got it figured out share me your strategy. How are you going to ensure this election your going to get a president in that is going to slim down the government. And more interestingly how would you stop inflation and the ever increasing debt if there exists more debt than money. You do know the whole thing is gonna crash at some point right?
Voting in the upcoming election likely will change nothing. Best bet is to focus on one's own economics, as much as possible. Not get married, avoid kids, car, and a house. Maybe invest in silver, so when everything crashes, at least personal finances are OK. About the only real change people can do is through accumulation of personal wealth. America likely won't be the only nation to fall. Every nation is screwed to some degree, no matter how much "liberty" they are given the illusion of.
@errorgoodnameunfound So basically you have been attacking me for seeing Trump as the best bet because otherwise you get a globalist establishment candidate. Went on and on about economics calling me unprepared for a discussion like this and when I turn the tables around you come with nothing except some generic advise. You lost your credibility in this discussion.
Hey, this question wasn't directed towards you in the first place. You legit want to vote for a dude to establish yourself as a foreigner that should butt out. If you'd at least understand what he actually meant or even a hint of how america works, fine. You don't. So again, butt out foreigner so we can MAGA without you.
vote for a dude that would see you as a socialist foreigner*
We're already socialist partially, even long before obama. It's socialim, but for businesses that pay congrress enough. Trump hasn't done much to change it, just like any other president. So we are stuck voting between the better socialist. None will help if investors, the fed, etc. doesn't get it's shit together. Why do you think amtrak, buses, ships, manufacturing, etc. all struggle vs other countries? Too much gov't as it is. Trump nor Biden know how to stay tf out of the economy and let capitalism take it course. If you vote Trump, at least some republicans are still fiscal conservatives, so I can understand, but as long as you acknowledge most have shown their true socialist colors already. Consider the libertarian perspective/Austrian school of Econ. Seems most logical to me.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvYg24Jf2jI
Brit here not sure what like/comment/subscribe is meant to do other than stroke your ego so nah I'll pass.
@Edanurus The left wing media in America teaches us that everybody besides America hates America, so far 2 people have already proved them wrong. This isn’t about me, it’s about getting to the truth.
How do you know those 2 aren't American? And who do you plan to show your likes to to get to the truth?
That's the funniest description I have heard yet
To me it's between a compound fracture (Trump) and a decapitation (Biden). Trump is obnoxious. Biden is senile and will push to enact California's disastrous job-killing AB5 nationwide, practically guarantying a real economic, rather than a temporary disease-caused, recession/depressionIn a sense it is a repeat of 2016. Then we had a clown (Trump) and an Extinction Level Event (Hillary). Hillary = war with Russia, so that was easy. Biden = the permanent loss of the livelihood for millions of Americans, so again...
I would have agreed with everything you said in 2016. I like Trump a lot more now. But yes, it is like that
@Grond21 yes those deregulation and tax cuts for billionaires have sure made a positive impact on the average voters.
They certainly did. One of the largest tax cuts on the middle class in history.Question for you. What would you rather? Everyone in the world have the same amount of money, but it's a small amount. Still enough to live on though. Or everyone in the world gets a lot more money, and a few people get far more than that?
@Grond21 vast majority of tax cuts were for the rich. In fact they now pay a lower effective tax rate than the middle class. A first in US history. www.forbes.com/.../He actually admitted this right before the 2018 midterm elections, promising the voters that "we're gonna give tax cuts to the middle class", along with other usual bs promises like building the wall and revoking the birthright citizenship law.https://youtu.be/R50qqPdYG3kHe's spent his entire life perfecting the art of self-promotion and suckering low IQ masses into giving him free money. Becoming president was his greatest con, a brilliant achievement of social engineering.
That's an interesting article. So it claims the top 400 richest people pay a lower tax rate than any other group? That's impossible, because if you make below a certain threshold you don't even pay income tax. He then immediately points out that a lot of people have questioned the data, then he says the fact that it's potentially a problem is what's really the problem, and then goes on for the rest of the article to lay out his own political and economic opinions. There's no strength to this claim.He also makes a number of points which I disagree with. Like claiming that the fact that income inequality is on the rise is a problem. The only way you stop income inequality from happening is by having an authoritarian government who controls people's money and I think that is an awful idea.He also said that it's a problem because of the potential recession, but this was in 2018 and we had a booming economy all the way up until the Corona virus forced shutdown. So his worries about it affecting our economy were clearly misplaced or misunderstanding the economics.Bill Gates made the claim that raising the taxes increases tax revenue. This claim has been disproven multiple times throughout history. So I'm not sure why Bill Gates said it.So he said that he was looking into doing a massive tax cut for the middle class. I don't see what your point is with this.He is building the wall. They have hundreds of miles of it built already. As for getting money from becoming president, if he's a con man that I would have to be a long con. Because he lost a billion dollars in personal wealth in the first two years, and That certainly seems to be a pretty failed money-making strategy. So he would be a pretty crappy con man then
you realize hillary outspent trump... and lost?
Trump is literally threatening to break the FIRST AMENDMENT. I honestly don't see how you can support a guy who tries to take away your rights.
Yeah because the Democrats who want to take my guns away are just soooooo into preserving my constitutional rights.
What's the 1st Amendment and how is he trying to break it?
@captain_voidwalker wouldn't you say that freedom of speech is more important than the right to own guns? And I have never heard of a president tear gassing peaceful civilians just to get a photo taken. I can't think of a worse president than Trump.
@Cryptic-Game "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."constitution.congress.gov/.../
@Cryptic-Game he's threatening the part that says "The right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances"By threatening to deploy the US military on the streets "to stop the rioters and looters".The problem is that soldiers are trained to kill. And being able to differentiate peaceful protester from rioter from looter is not in their job description. You can see what Trump is saying here. Complete insanity.https://youtu.be/ZRkN1RjvZ7s
@ReplierM Yet the state governors (and the 1st Amendment applies to the states under the 14th Amendment so don't even think of trying to play that game) did prevent peaceable assembly and the free exercise of religion, and in many cases are still doing so, over COVID-19. Now the have curfews, which in some ares were starting a 1300 (1:00pm) It seems that mobs burning down cities is more of an imminent threat.And it seems like three loudspeaker warnings to clear an area that the day before was torched is legally sufficient.Also, your concept of "peaceful assembly" is somewhat off, in that area restrictions on public property are perfectly acceptable. If not then you could "peaceably assemble" on state beaches or public parks or in public buildings or on public streets and sidewalks all day and night.
@Liam_Hayden "Yet the state governors did prevent peaceable assembly and the free exercise of religion, and in many cases are still doing so, over COVID-19."Not peaceful assemblies in the form of protest. When Trump's inbred supporters decided to protest Democratic Governors' "Stay At Home" order with weapons in hands. I don't recall any Governor calling for riot police and the national guard to disperse them with tear gas, pepper balls, and rubber bullets. As far as your claim that these Governors prevented the free exercise of religion, well the 1990 Supreme Court decision in the case of "Employment Division v. Smith" says otherwise. The case essentially set the precedent that "houses of worship do not have a special constitutional right to a religious accommodation from neutral stay-at-home orders." Neutral being as long as the law is neutral and applies to both religious and secular institutions then you can't claim religious discrimination took place. Stay at home orders were neutral.
Let me put it this way if you dont own guns and the government decides you no longer have free speech, what are you gonna do about it?
@Starrk Yawn. You completely missed the point. I know that SCOTUS allowed the governors to do it. I was pointing out that your definition was erroneous. "the right of the people peaceably" in 1A, by the way, is also not limited to protests. And calling Trump supporters "inbred" simply demonstrates your prejudice.
@ReplierM But you are incorrect in that religion was singled out. Parts of Mississippi tried to allow drive through food but would not allow a drive through church even though, unlike fast food, the church people had no physical contact with those outside. This and some of Beshear's draconian attempts in Kentucky were knocked out by the courts, as were some of the orders in Wisconsin.
It's not the religious part of the first amendment that's being threatened but the part of being allowed to protest.
@ReplierM burning cars , looting , and killing people isn't protesting, it's rioting
Only a few people are actually rioting the vast majority of the protesters we peaceful. The peaceful protesters also condemn the rioters/looters and are actually helping the police arresting them.
@Liam_Hayden "I know that SCOTUS allowed the governors to do it."It seems I misinterpreted your post then. My bad. "And calling Trump supporters "inbred" simply demonstrates your prejudice."Name one person who isn't prejudiced to some extent?And, I have never been one to hide my disproval for those who show blind support for a divisive clown like Trump, but I'll save that rant for another episode.
@ReplierM how is trump threatening to break the first amendment? by sending national guard to stop rioters? rioting is not protected by the first amendment
The problem is that the US military is trained to kill and not for differentiating between rioter, protester and looter. They shouldn't do something they aren't trained for and especially when what they are trained for is outright dangerous to the civilians. This guy talks really well about my views on the situation, if you're interested https://youtu.be/996RWrh4bZA
@ReplierM oh you condescending fool you have no idea what the military is trained to doyes they are trained specifically in riot control and non lethal use of force. and even if they do use lethal force in some places... who cares? these savages are destroying the country
I'm not being condescending, that's what a lot of people in the military are saying themselves. Even Trump's military consultant or something like that I forget his name but it's in the video is saying that's a ridiculous move and that should not happen under any circumstances.Even if they were trained for non lethal force it's still going to be an unnecessary amount of force which is literally what the protest is against. "Even if they do use lethal force in some places... Who cares?" Are you seriously asking that? Who cares? Maybe his/her family, friends, loved ones. This entire thing happened because of a black man being killed by a policeman. If they went ahead and did it AGAIN, THAT could start some serious riots and turn the previously peaceful protesters violent. Holy shit you must be cold to even consider something like that so easily.
@ReplierM no there are no serious people in the military saying that. only people with trump derangement syndrome who hate trump and looking for an excusethere is an entire branch of the military called military police designed for this exact purpose
Trump never said he would only use the military police. He said he would use all resources to stop the protesters/rioters.
@ReplierM oh my god you're like a child trying to win an argument based on technicalities and being overly literal. you're 20 you're too old to argue like that. trump never said he wouldn't use nukes either you gana accuse him of that too?grow up. you argue like a child. overly literal wordplay is not a sign of intelligence
Am glad you are.
What about you?
I never voted. Lol
Why? Trump is literally threatening to break the FIRST AMENDMENT. I honestly don't see how you can support a guy who tries to take away your rights.
Why would we want the Democrats? They’ve tried to take our SECOND AMENDMENT away... hmm 🤔
I still haven't heard of a president who deliberately has hurt his own people to the extent he has. For example tear gassing a crowd of peaceful protesters just for a photo op. And threatening to send in literal death machines known as the US military is absolutely insane.
@ReplierM The "protesters" in that particular area weren't protesting. They were rioting, and set that church on fire. However, I agree that the camera opportunity could've waited.
I get my news from the YouTube channel Secular Talk. The video showed there said that they were clearly peaceful protesters though the video just saw them running from Trump's security and stuff. I would love to see if you have some sources that showed more clearly that they were actually rioting. I'm not from the US myself so I haven't witnessed any protests over there, but I can imagine that there aren't really any organized riots but more like a lot of peaceful protests with a few rioters/looters in between that deals all the damage but the rest of the crowd gets the blame as well.
@ReplierM Once you set a building on fire, it's no longer peaceful.
Fair point, I meant that the vast majority WANT to be peaceful then and that there are just a few people who want to create the chaos by setting cars etc. on fire. I still don't understand why people would support Trump after he's clearly showed how little he cares about the people in the country he's supposed to lead.
@ReplierM Well, it's true that Trump is crass and obnoxious. He rants on Twitter and yells at reporters. However, prior to the pandemic shutdown, the economy was rolling and the unemployment rate was at 3.3%... and that can't be ignored. So I guess the answer is that you deal with the bad, enjoy the good, and roll with the fatness. 👍
yay socialism! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvYg24Jf2jI