But then the poor wouldn't be able to afford to live there
I was about to say that. It will probably be better spent rebuilding things than whatever they use it for now. EG $600,000 police speed boats. etc.
I'd rather give police tools to help the public than the rebuild a building that was destroyed over ignorance, immaturity, and untamed emotion.
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I controversially agree
But people protesting might not be the people most impacted
@sensible27 that's correct - they're not destroying their own neighborhood. they came from away, planned the looting, as the protest heats up they hit the streets so it all looks like the protesters... the looters don't care. Someone elses neighborhood is destroyed.The should just cut anyone they identify from that large unemployment check they're collecting, just to pay for the looters to be there and try to destroy the same institution that provided the very money that keeps them there. Cut the funds, these folks would just fall away and it would be over - they'd need to find a job.
I'm willing to bet he won't
How can that be true when the "violent reaction ordered by Trump" was made in response to riots? That's paradoxical and not even remotely true. And even if it was true, which it literally isn't, that doesn't justify rioting, and even if it does justify rioting, which it doesn't, what sort of idiot thinks "turning my peaceful protest into a riot upon military arriving seems like a good idea"?
Trump derangement syndrome is strong in this one
Answer me this. When and how did Donald Trump order the violence? You're right about one thing. There is something that we have failed to address, and that is personal responsibility. Instead, we have adopted the culture of blaming someone else and we are seeing the consequences for that now. Think these rioters are responsible creatures? If they were, they would not see any reason to burn down their own cities, I promise. Far as my tax dollars go, I don't want one dime of my money going towards paying the damage someone else did.
@DocT1977 Take, for example, trump ordering the peaceful protest outside the white-house gassed and attacked when he wanted to cross the street to a church (ordering that emptied too - it was acting as a refuge for homeless as I recall) to show the world how little he knows about holding books. Without so much as approaching the church door.Fucking coward that he is.And what about when he told the state governors to 'take care of that shit or you look week' (I paraphrase, as I don't remember the exact wording reported)You go ahead and lick your prophet trump's feet. As to when the military arrives to crush the first amendment rights of the protestors, Isn't that what the right to bear arms all about? I bet you don't forget that one. So use it to protect the free speech of people.
You are very sad. I would be to if all I had for a candidate was a demented nasty old man Biden.
I heard different accounts about what was going on with those protesters. That's kinda what happens when you look at all kinds of different sources for your information. And no, it is not "our" responsibility to fix the damage these juvenile delinquent assholes did. If they had any concept of personal responsibility at all, they would have fucking jobs instead of doing all this shit.
@DocT1977 Ahhh - so that is to say you WON'T be supporting their right to free speech and freedom to assemble because they're not assembling and speaking about what YOU want to be about?Sounds about par for the course. And as to the sources, I tend to avoid most of the American media, I think the media like the Australian crew that was attacked and gassed by the cops for simply reporting from the scene tend to be a bit more reliable.Next time you want to protest that someone is talking about tightening gun restrictions, think about this moment, and remember that you delinquents should go home and get jobs.
How many conservative speakers have been shut down because liberals didn’t like them. How many people have been attacked for wearing mags hats?
@Blondegirl1214 How many of them were killed for it?How many conservatives don't understand that freedom of speech does not include the freedom to force others to listen?How many conservatives seem to think freedom of religion equals freedom to discriminate against anyone they have a sincerely held religious hatred for?Wearing a hat is freedom of speech/expression. the constitution guarantees you the right to do that. And you can. There is no law however that guarantees you can do that free from consequences.
Apparently you don't know what peaceful assembly is. That's what I'm taking from this. People have a right to protest. I completely support that. Tearing everything in sight apart and burning down their own cities is not the answer.
And no, you don't have the right to force anything on anybody period. Walrus_au
@DocT1977 when did I force anything on anyone? Am I holding a gun to your head?So all the peaceful protests in front of the whitehouse, where nothing was being damaged, until the cheeto in chief ordered them attacked and gassed wasn't in existance till after he had them assaulted eh?Whatever you gotta tell yourself to sleep at night buster. Your self delusions don't change what is.
If you're not even gonna bother getting the whole story, then no, you aren't worth talking to. Have a good one.
@DocT1977 You think because I don't fall in line with you "I don't have the whole story"peaceful protestbully president was scared to walk across the street and wanted to seem big and machoprotest gassed, church evacuatedbully president waves bible for pictures.just what part of the story would justify that? What kind of nuance is needed to justify firing gas and rubber bullets into a peaceful crowd excercising their constitutionial rights?Because they are the wrong kind of people? Because they are or support brown people?It's times like these that I am not just HAPPY to not be American, I am proud of that fact.
Well, I'm trying to wrap this conversation up with you. All you see is orange man bad. Blame orange man for everything. Nothing else gets any consideration. Orange man bad. Don't take responsibility for everything. I burnt down a building today. It's orange man's fault. Seems like the liberal thing to do. Always blaming someone else for your own shitty choices. Look, Go the hell away with that shit.
@DocT1977 Look, I think the orange toad is a shithole peice of human. But that has nothing to do with what i am saying here. It's not an ad homonym, it's simply an insult.so while you wring your hands over what I call your favorite bigot in chief.You still haven't justified shooting and gasing peaceful protestors.You support the right to bear arms right? what is that the second amendment?What was the point of that?
Is there anything else you want to get off your chest? I'm not your therapist, and you are most certainly not paying me for the time you are wasting here today, but by all means, feel free to continue the conversation.
@DocT1977 keep rolling in your delusions wonder-boy. Just stay the hell away from me. anyone who thinks there is a justification for that is someone I want a long way from me.
I feel the same way for those who insist on blaming everyone else for their shitty choices and judgment. Just stay the fuck away from me with all that shit. Go project your self hatred and compensate with having a tiny widdle peepee with someone else. Your problems are not mine. I don't give a shit. Now fuck off.
Then keep your mouth shut
@DocT1977 You're right, those damn brown folks shouldn't have chosen to be brown, what a shitty choice!I'd say quit being a shitty human, but I don't see that happening.
@Blondegirl1214 I get it, there is nothing worse than seeing how shitty you are being to other people, and not being able to shut other people up about it when they point it out.
@DocT1977 what conservative speaker ever forced anyone to listen? You are quite insane.
@Blondegirl1214 I'm afraid you have me confused with the other guy. That's what liberals do. Not us. Looks like something got lost in the mix.
@DocT1977 that was meant for walrus sorry
@Blondegirl1214 No problem. lol I've done that a few times as well. lol
Walrus_au, Why the fuck are you talking to me again? Where the hell did I say people chose their goddamn color? More ignorant bullshit from a kool aid drinking dumbass. That's about the dumbest comment I've seen in a while..
Or, there is the other scenario where you don't think they are capable of taking personal responsibility for their own choices and you're just looking for a smartass excuse to sell me on their behalf. If you think my argument for them to take some damn responsibility is illogical, then YOU are proving yourself to be the racist dipshit. I know people of all colors that can hold their own and here is a surprise. They don't need your coddling, your nurturing or your goddamn sympathy. If you think they're fucking equal to everyone else, then treat them like a counterpart to you instead of a bunch of goddamn children who can't figure their way out of a wet paper bag.
@DocT1977 So selfish douscenozzles like you will be returning all the stolen property you've had your whole life? Just because you didn't steal it doesn't mean it wasn't stolen.And you can pretend what's happening isn't happening, but that doesn't change the facts.So if you genuinely don''t give a shit about other people, why are you pretending you do?
@Blondegirl1214 If conservative shitheads were shut down from talking we wouldn't hear from them.We hear from them. They just don't get to do it on some companies platform. Because that company chooses not to give that shit their support.Free market sweetheart, I know that's a tough pill to swallow, but those corporations are proving to be better people than you are choosing to be.
Stolen property? You ever heard of work dumbass? That's how I got everything I have.
No, what you are is an indoctrinated little fucktard who does not understand the dynamics of equality. They conned you into thinking these people need your crutch. You bought into it hook, line and sinker. You are one of the dumbest motherfuckers I have run into in a long time.
@DocT1977 All of which was stolen dipshit. if you buy a tv from a guy, and the guy stole it, guess what, you have stolen property.You are living on stolen property. Arrogant wing-nut. Just cause you bought it from someone else, doesn't mean it wasn't stolen.
So everything everyone bought with their own money that they earned is now a thief? You just get dumber and dumber. Here's one for you dumbass. None of the shit I have even existed during the slavery days. Matter of fact, a lot of the shit we buy is from China. I suppose you're going to call them all thieves too? Maybe you're a fucking thief yourself?
Besides that, I don't answer for things I had nothing to do with, so fuck you.
@DocT1977 You purchased stolen goods essentially.and guess what. you are squirming and raging so much because you know it is true.But that's ok right? If they were REAL people they would have won the war right?
You have no ability to prove that anything I bought was stolen. Those are just empty ass accusations your making. You don't like someone so you call them thieves, despite the fact that they never stole shit in their lives. You are the dumbest of the dumb. by the way.. Indians killed each other over land anyway. So by your definition, they're thieves too.
Who stole the shit that I bought? It was all made in a factory somewhere, sent to a store, at which point, I bought the items I have. Doesn't sound like thievery on any level to me.
Then what do you call what Kaepernick done? You’re an idiot
@DocT1977 What does it matter WHO stole it, the fact is that it is stolen.Some thief steals your trophy, and I buy it. Do you care if I stole it or someone else did? you just want your trophy back.So since the land you walk on was stolen, the lives of the people who made the money that built the country that is on that land, was stolen. Where does it end?Let's say russia comes over and kicks your govt out, now america is new russia. Do you want america back or would you be happy serving your russian masters now?Just how obtuse do you have to be.
@Blondegirl1214 What do I call what Kapernick did? A protest that was not only ignored, but shut the fuck down. How dare that black guy take a knee at the anthem right?What do you do when a protest gets ignored? you can go away and stick your thumb in your bum and suck up the bullshit treatment, OR you can protest louder.But that would be inconvenient to your precious day to day so how dare they!!
No, you're just talking out your ass. Nobody stole anything. Just go overdose on more drugs or whatever the hell it is you do.
You want to sit there and claim that all my things are stolen, yet you can't tell me who they were stolen from. Nothing like making a case with unfounded claims to fix the black eye you gave to your own credibility.
Walrus he was sitting on the bench in the beginning because he sucks as a football player. We watch football for entertainment not for some millionaire athlete to show how bitter he is about riding the bench.
@Blondegirl1214 You know what? I asked Walrus_au to back his accusations up with fact, yet he is unable to do it. We both are witnesses to him blowing all his credibility to hell. I don't like to listen to people that can't prove accusations especially after giving them the chance to do so. I'm wrapping up my role in this conversation because he's proven to me that he can't come up with anything factual. There are better uses for my time. I agree with you on Kaepernick being a bench warmer and i acknowledge his fight to remain relevant despite all that.
Walrus you said conservatives can’t force someone to listen to them. When has a conservative forced a liberal to listen?
@Blondegirl1214 @DocT1977 I hear a lot of bleating by children trying to avoid taking responsibility for their lives.Your country was stolen by force of arms. You are sitting on stolen property.I don't have to even want to watch football to know your arguments are hollow. Both of your understanding of basic events seems to be so deluded that it really wouldn't matter what I said. @DocT1977 has proven that repeatedly.@Blondegirl1214 's example proves one of my earlier points handily. a footballer takes a knee, gets fired by the company that employs him, that company is not facing charges of infringement of free speech. Because those laws do not apply to private companies.As to you wonder-children and your attitude to others speaking up and getting abused for it. you think they should all just lie down and take it. get a life, and quit darkening the doorstep of humankind.
You've failed to back up anything I have asked you about. Your cred is dead in the water bud.
@DocT1977 you failed to comprehend most of what I said sunshine. Go back and read, maybe bring a stronger reader along with you.I know looking at the facts threatens your woldview, it's called cognitive dissonance. Time to re-assess that selfish worldview of yours.And when your claim for back up is predicated on your basic misscomprehension of the laws and situation as it stands, nothing I send you will be looked at. you have to see it for yourself.Get off your backside and do your own homework. Your education is not my responsibility or problem.
There were white people, too.
There were plenty of white people who robbed a vans store in Atlantic City. They also burned down stores in Minneapolis as well. Do you think@wadedanielsmith2 they should be forced to bring back , pay or go to jail for stealing those items. And pay for burning down stores. There is no excuse for throwing firebombs. But if a white person threw the firebomb do think they should be punished as well.
Protesters only have that right when it's peaceful. When protests turn into riots, they do not legally have the right to do so, and I'd argue they don't have that right morally, either.
The messed up thing about the whole situation is the minority of police are doing the majority of the corruption. The majority of the protestors are doing peaceful protesting with a very small percentage causing issues. The majority of police are only there to get paid because it's a job but when you start abusing your powers their can be consequences. The constitution gave the people all the rights with the final say so. If police corruption continues I'm terrified for the police because they can end up getting targeted. They can all be followed to their homes and killed, false 911 calls for help to get ambushed and killed. I don't know why a sector of people think they can abuse their powers and get away with it. The potential of a civil war is possible but unlikely. If it does happen all police and government officials will probably be hung for treason.
I agree that a minority of the police do a majority of the corruption. And I agree that the minority of protesters do the majority of the rioting. But it's funny how the media will say the second sentence of this paragraph, but not the first, huh? And you need to elaborate on "the constitution gave the people all the rights with the final say so." Because if you're referring to the protests again, that's untrue. The first amendment explicitly says "the right of the people peaceably to assemble." And if there was a civil war, it wouldn't just be civilians against police or government officials. There will be civilians taking side with police and government officials.
I agree that their would be citizens taking sides with government officials 100 percent. It would be naive to think it wouldn't work the other way around as well though.(law enforcement with government officials with the people) Also with the peaceful assembly I agree that they did mean PEACEFUL ASSEMBLY. The thing is though go on YouTube and you can literally find hundreds of videos of police brutality. Also in some areas where police were hurting and abusing protestors heavily armed militia went to protect and exercise the right to bear arms. Also look at the fed land grabs they do. Perfect example would be the bundy ranch. Thousands of armed civilians made the feds back down
Yea, I agree. I was just saying "the constitution gave people the right and final say so" is not always true or applicable.
I meant in the sense of the power is with the people. Right now the government is in a power struggle. Laws are being broken that were put into place from the bill of rights and constitution. Income taxes are illegal.(can't charge a man for the sweat of his own brow) The right to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed. (They keep trying to take away peoples guns) Then you see this Democrat and Republican game going on, left and right. Black and white. Protestors vs law enforcement. You see the powers that be are trying to separate people at every front but the thing is America was never set on being a Democracy. It used to be a Republic, which gave equal power separated to the many. What's going on right now is a perfect example of divide an conquer. Something is going on behind the scenes. I personally have views on both sides of the aisle that I agree and strongly disagree with.
It's a casual question, not policy. I'm not out here suggesting we do detective work to determine every single person who rioted, I'm asking a casual question about how people would feel about the idea of being taxed for the needless destruction caused by others. Not all questions are asked with real-world intent.
Thank God we have less of that so we can pay for what we already had. Net negatives are the way to go!!
You're right, why don't we just spend the money on a time machine, and go back and stop the police from playing "army guy" before they started. Then we would've saved the money from the start, and there wouldn't have been any riots.
Good idea. Why don't we also make it illegal for people to live with others or leave their house because the 1% of the time where people murder, rape, steal, whatever, would never happen again? As long as something happens, regardless of how infrequently, it requires a drastic and overbearing response, right?
Well, if we keep blindly supporting the police state and pretending like the angry kids from high school are heroes, you might just get your freedom-robbing wish there bud. I assume the "infrequent" occurrences you're referring to are the police actually doing their job effectively and closing a case.
If that's what you assume, given the context it was provided in, you may benefit from a reform in our education system before you benefit from a reform in our law enforcement.
Yeah, I'm not responding to, "Well, you're stupid." If you want statistics about the efficacy of our police force, you can ask, but otherwise I'm done with this.
For the sake of improvement, can you point out the alleged mistakes?
Well... the small number of rioters are still likely taxpayers because almost everyone in America, other than the massively wealthy corporate types who cheat the system to avoid paying, are taxpayers. So asking "should rioters pay for the damages," uhh, I mean, in a way they already are because if you buy shit at a store, you're paying taxes on it, and if you mean MORE than that, how would that even happen, it doesn't matter whether it should or shouldn't if it's not going to happen. The number of rioting arrests and charges are going to be few and far between, and even then, they would need to be convicted or plead guilty in order to be sentenced to anything, and if that DOES happen, they likely will be paying fines as a result anyway. So all those choices you've offered here are either 1) impossible to employ, or 2) are already happening or going to happen in some form or fashion anyway, and therefore moot.
Well I didn't claim rioters don't pay taxes. And you seem to have either misread, misinterpreted, or explicitly tried taking what I said out of context. I had two options that conveyed a similar notion to what you paraphrased of me. The first being the option "only rioters should pay for the damage done" (the other option being rioters as well as people who supported the riots), so you seem to be missing the keyword "only." Had I not included that word, I'd agree with you, but "should rioters pay" and "should only the rioters pay" convey two different ideas. In the way you said it, rioters along with any other taxpayers would be paying for it. In the way I said it, only rioters would be paying with their tax dollars, and non-rioting taxpayers wouldn't be. And I never claimed it would or could happen. Like I mentioned in a prior question, not all questions are intended for real-world application. If I asked you "if you had three wishes, what would they be?" You wouldn't respond "it doesn't matter because it's not going to happen. Wishes aren't real."So now that we have that figured out, is there anything else allegedly wrong with this post?
Yes... thanks for the clarification, I guess, except that's what I already said was being suggested. I know you aren't claiming that it could or would happen-- except that if it can't or won't happen, then what is the point of asking the question. It's not like you're asking something like "oh what would your favorite superpower be?" when superpowers aren't real either.
I could be wrong, or perhaps you merely meant it a different way, but you criticized the real-world application of my question and you labeled that criticism as something "wrong" with my post, is that correct? I asked you to mention what was allegedly wrong with the post, and in response you questioned how it would happen and followed with the claim that it doesn't matter because it is not going to happen. It seems to me that what you believe was wrong with my post is the (wrongful) presumed real-word application. And the point is intellectual stimulation, though admittedly on the milder end of intellectual stimulation, just as any figurative question would be. The point is entertainment, just like many other engaging questions.
I'm not sure how you would interpret this subject is one of entertainment. That's why I gave the example I did-- asking someone about yet another choice that will never happen, one of which superpower we'd like to have-- as a different question that would actually make sense in the "I'm doing this for entertainment" context. How is asking about rioting entertaining? Mind, that's a rhetorical question. Whatever man.
Do you only think pretty colors and video games can be entertaining?
No, I think that rioting isn't entertaining.
I didn't say rioting is entertaining, I said discussions about rioting are entertaining, because it's intellectual engaging/stimulating. Discussing politics isn't entertaining in the same way watching a movie is, but the intellectual debate or stimulation can be entertaining.
I don't recall saying it would, at least not them solely.
I fully agree
They don’t deserve crap
It would only make sense for Pres Trump to give funds to states he could win , not states like Californication , New York Mafia or Minnesocold, where if he gave each a Trillion , he would still lose.