May I introduce you to China?Anyway the foundation of USA is partially the constitution which was a pretty good idea although considering how many times you have had to amend it its safe to say its a patch-work project as well as your super-power status.You have wealth, diplomatic agreements and clout as well as good relations to support you but that has VERY little to do with your political system. Your political system is trash and corrupted beyond recognition.
China where they have literal concentration camps. I also hate that we became a superpower because we should not be the police of the world. It got corrupted and is disarray because of that and yeah it has changed. They made the constitution able to be amended so we could adapt. Unfortunately we lost our way and are losing our freedoms. One of the last truly free countries is slowly losing its freedom.
China is a historical juggernaut. The reason there are so bloody many Chinese people in the world (around 18% world population) is because their national foundation from WAAY back before even Jesus was born was so solid and successful that they could maintain a stable population growth essentially until now. It is not because their private parts function as clown cars but because they are the most successful country in the history of the human species. Comparing something that has endured for literally thousands of years of "bad and useless changes" to America which has barely even existed for 300 and is already tearing itself apart?No you do not get to compare yourself with China in this regard. On the world stage you are the new kid on the block, almost all other major nations have seen countries like your rise and fall already. History did not start with the independence of USA, get off your high horse.
China has endured thousands of years under many different systems because under that rule Russia is a one long continuous system and so is Italy. They are not. Also we have different views of good foundations. A country with foundations of kill a specific race could be around for a 1000 years and be considered good in your mind. My view is what does it try to pass on to the world. American has fallen short of that but the foundations of freedom are the most beautiful things in the world and unfortunately makes countries unstable because of it. On the other hand countries that rule with iron fist are insanely stable. I'll take my freedom thank you very much.
Even if you want to try use your definition I disagree. For starters we have Slavery. Hardly the most "free" thing in the world and you would probably argue that Lincoln ended slavery with the Emancipation Proclamation during the Civil war right?Wrong. Slavery is not actually abolished in USA even to this day. What the Emancipation Proclamation actually did was to free slaves within a certain geographic area.. the South.. for the express purpose of preventing European powers form getting involved by supporting the confederacy against the Union. It was political.Slavery has never been officially abolished and many argue that it still exists today in the American prison system just to give an example.America is not the most free country in the world. Its not the most Democratic. Its not the country that gives its citizens the best chance at life, happiness and success. The American dream, is a dream.
You cannot legally own a slave in the us. It is illegal just not out right banned. Ok I'll give you this name the most free country in the world. If it has less freedom than the United states without the any atrocities and I will concede.
13th Amendment: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, *except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted*, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."So what do you consider "freedoms" in this case as well as how do you compare them? A good example is that in Sweden we have a right to access nature even on private land. In practice it works by allowing me to go into privately owned forests and nature, harvest mushrooms and wild plants, set up camp fires, put up a tent etc.. As long as its a temporary stay and I do not cause any permanent mess.Aside from that we also have every other freedom Americans has.
First Sweden is not allowed to carry a weapon for self defense against the government. Second Sweden made it a law that trans people had to be sterile before they could be allowed to transition. Then Sweden aided nazi efforts even though they recieved a letter about the death camps and had first hand knowledge of it. Next one.
Yes you are. I mean its not a constitutional right but you are allowed to do it.polisen.se/.../The compulsory sterilization for gender reassigning surgery stopped back in 1972.Sweden had no choice in their handling of Germany. They saved probably more Jews than USA however using its status as a Neutral country.
No excuse for the tranny law and helping of Germany. Sweden should have fought back. They were complacent. They also refused to prosecute war criminals from nazi Germany in sweden. You guys also have a lack of freedom of the press where your government can censor your news organizations
The "Tranny law" was based on the idea of Eugenics which was a widespread idea back then. In fact USA was also doing it such as when they force sterilized African American women between 1909 and 1979.USA also did not want to join WW2 and had to be dragged kicking and screaming into it not to mention USA was pretty helpful in Hitlers rise to power such as when the chief executive of GM was literally awarded with a medal by Adolf Hitler himself for their help.Sweden has just as much freedom of the press as USA does if not more, especially with the whole "Fake news" censorship going around. Its just, anything Sweden has done bad you have done as well.
So that means we are just as free because you actually can't legally own a slave even though there is no law so we have that and we have the same freedoms as you say even though I was just reading two different articles talking about how your press is censored from both CNN and the Hill. You also just used the excuse that everyone was doing so we are ok so around 1850s there were still many countries were slavery was legal so under your view we get a pass then. I disagree and say no hold us accountable but realize we have made strive.
I thought I already pointed out in your constitution that Slavery was legal and in fact is already happening every day in USA, its just that it has been turned into a criminal punishment. There is nothing stopping the government from giving away prisoners as slave labor and in many ways they already are selling their services to companies.As for talking about press freedom we can actually use a metric such as Reporters without borders.They rank Sweden above USA.From where I am sitting USA has not improved over the years. You have gotten worse. You are at a point where I am tempted to no longer call you a 1st world country.
I would not call you a free country and remember that eating is while 90% of the press lies about them. Also individual cannot own slaves but the government cannot keep them as slaves. They are required to pay. Now I know many reporters that went to Sweden that had their articles censored in Sweden including Tim pool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtYMnavxaKcWell you are just wrong. In America you can force inmates to work. You do not have to pay them and you can punish them if they do not work. Its also worth mentioning being paid is also not a disqualification for slavery as many slaves throughout history have had a salary.In Sweden we do not have this exception meaning its a greater freedom. As for censorship in Sweden it does exist to some extent but the reason Reporters without borders ranks Sweden higher than USA is because while there are some small examples in Sweden its much worse in USA.
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Historically that has been a huge mistake, it creates a single point of failure and fail it will do eventually. There will always be a bad leader or a bad collection of representatives and if that bad leader or group has all the power because of a single branch of government then that means they have the complete authority to do whatever they want.That includes changing the country so they become dictators or since you seam to be a religious nut, change it to become a country literally dedicated to the worship and support of Satan.
Wow.. "Oldest continuous form of government in the world" that is only partially true on a technicality. Mainly that the rest of the world has updated to more modern forms of governments where as USA still has the old one that is objectively flawed and inferior. You are the oldest because you are the only one that has refused to fix your government in the face of overwhelming evidence.
@Soteris why do you care? It isn’t your country so fuck off. I don’t bash yours so don’t bash mine
I am here to save you from lying to yourself.
@Soteris I can take care of myself. I don’t want or need a foreigners help. Worry about yourself
I dont need to worry about myself, I do not live in USA. Gives me free time to worry about you.
@Soteris you’re not my savior and I don’t want you
I bet you say that to eating healthy and exercising too.
@Soteris why do you care? It’s none of your business
But its so amusing.
Give him a break @reptocarl2 , @Soteris is from a second rate socialist neutral (neutered) country.Their claim to fame is ABBA and cheap furniture.Sweden is just puckering up for the next fascist or communist dictator.
@I-am-a-nobody Better than to have the dubious claim of the only country in the world to Nuke another.. twice..
@Soteris On nuking another country...Too bad it couldn't have been done sooner. It could have saved even more lives.Even at that Japan refused to surrender.
@I-am-a-nobody if he didn’t like us using nukes then his country should’ve been the one to invade Japan
@I-am-a-nobody USA had already received Japans surrender before they dropped the bombs.
@Soteris that isn’t true.
What did the Nukes do that USA had not already done to many other Japanese cities?
@Soteris stopped us from having to invade with ground forces which would have killed many more than the bombs did. The bombs were not the largest loss of life in a bombing campaign people like you claim. It was the fire bombing of Tokyo. We gave them fair warning what we had and that we would use it and they blew us off twice. It was only when we warned them a third was coming that they finally agreed to unconditional surrender.
So again, why would the nuke make a difference if what you already did was much worse and quite frankly Japan did not know what a nuke does anyway aside from just being a larger than normal bomb.
@Soteris you didn’t listen. They weren’t going to surrender with conventional bombing. The bombing campaigns took thousands of planes to do what only two planes did. When they realized it was one plane and one bomb that was all it took. They were counting on an invasion and they had armed every civilian. So again it kept us from having to invade. If you studied WWII you should know by past battles the Japs fought to virtually the last man. The bombs saved more lives than an invasion. But you don’t want to hear that
Japan did not differentiate between "conventional bombing" and nukes. From their point of view its just bigger bombs.
@Soteris their mistake. They were warned, twice you’d think they’d have learned after the first one
How? Its a war, its not necessarily the correct time to assess the long-term consequences of radiation. Even USA had barely any idea what they were doing how do you expect Japan to know?
@Soteris what part of they were warned twice do you not understand? Not one single American or Frenchmen or Brits will apologize for using it. Where the fuck was your country during the war? Your country had no participation and therefore have no say or opinions about it
@reptocarl2Even I was surprised at how few surrendered at Iwo Jima.From Wikipedia:"Of the 21,000 Japanese soldiers on Iwo Jima at the beginning of the battle, only 216 were taken prisoner, some of whom were captured because they had been knocked unconscious or otherwise disabled."If we had used a conventional invasion. Probably another half of their population would have died.
@I-am-a-nobody it’s been estimated that an invasion would have cost over one million allied and Japanese lives
@reptocarl2I think that estimate was low, it would have been much more.Japan's population after WWII was over 70 million.WWII hero Guy Gabaldon, subject of the movie "Hell to Eternity" told of how Japanese women tossed their kids off cliffs to keep them from being "eaten" by Americans. Gabaldon had Japanese foster parents and spoke the language, so he was instrumental in getting surrenders.We'll never know (in this life) how many hundreds of thousands of lives were saved by dropping the bombs.
So again.. what about the nukes made them give up? I really fail to see your point.
@Soteris Maybe it was because 1 crew in 1 plane could wipe out an entire city.ORThat hiding in a bunker was rendered less effective and Hirohito himself couldn't hide from the devastation of a nuclear weapon.Who knows, but it apparently worked.
@I-am-a-nobody If you were prepared to die defending your homelands what change does a bigger bomb do? Also how would they have any idea of what a nuke could or could not do in the first place? All they know is that there was a large bomb dropped on a city and that the damage was massive.You need to drop the idea that they know to fear nukes.
A document full of political bullshit. Could have been said about normal fire bombings as well.
@Soteris I’ve answered this before. They should’ve gotten the message after the first one. Shouldn’t they? They were warned a second was coming and still blew us off but again you don’t want to hear that
So what makes you think a 2nd one would make all the difference?
@Soteris Did the 2nd one make the difference?Well, let's see one didn't work and a second was dropped, they still resisted.A third was threatened... "OK, we've had enough."We can try to get in the heads of Hirohito and the leaders of Japan, but as we will probably never get the complete answer on that all we can go by is history.The correct answer is more than 1 and less than 3.
@I-am-a-nobody So what you are basically trying to say is that the exact number of nukes you actually had was magically the right number without having to make any more? That seams very convenient since making more nukes in those days were very difficult. Likewise Japan just gave up because you happened to have 3 very large bombs which pale in comparison to all the death and destruction you had already caused.Sorry that just does not add up.
@Soteris you’re still not understanding. After the second was dropped Hirohito told his war cabinet he wanted to surrender. Some in his war cabinet tried a coup because they wanted to keep fighting. You keep blaming the deaths on America. You need to put the blood on the hands of the Japanese leaders. It was clear they couldn’t win but would not surrender. They were the ones that didn’t give a fuck about their people
@Soteris en.wikipedia.org/.../Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki"Groves expected to have another "Fat Man" atomic bomb ready for use on August 19, with three more in September and a further three in October""On August 12, the Emperor informed the imperial family of his decision to surrender."So, the first bomb is on the 6th, the second is on the 9th (after which USSR entered) and then came surrender on 9/12."In his declaration, Hirohito referred to the atomic bombings, and did not explicitly mention the Soviets as a factor for surrender"
If America is so great, then why do most Americans feel the need to tell 3rd party voters who to vote for and how to vote and when they refuse to bend the knee to you people, you try to shut them down by saying "hurr durr you have no right to complain"?
If you want to vote third party go right ahead, no one is stopping you.
"The fact that USA survived this long".. USA is one of the youngest countries in the world. USA got its independence in 1776. Sweden (as an example) started back in 1397.USA has by no means "withstood the test of time."
Even if it’s the youngest, the point is that it’s not dead. It could have died already and hasn’t.
Well that is an optimistic worldview.
@Soteris Yeah and Sweden more or less kissed Hitler's butt to survive the war.You practically said it yourself.Just live in your little insignificant socialist utopia and leave America to the people of the United States. We've done just fine without you.
@I-am-a-nobody Have you though? How many people has the Covid19 outbreak killed just recently? Why is there an Autonomous area in one of your cities held by protesters and generally WTF is going on?
@Soteris Yes, we've done well enough.COVID deathsSweden 10.3 million people 5,053 deaths 1 per 2039 peopleUS 331 million people 119,000 deaths 1 per 2781From:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_SwedenApproximately 85% of the country's population resides in villages with 200 persons or cities.Yeah, a lot of potential for intercity violence, there.So, you have a country with a population that's smaller than our 9th most populous state (North Carolina) spread out over a whole country.
@I-am-a-nobody Oh yeah we fuckt up. In fact we were unable to react to it because our constitution prevented the government from making such a drastic restriction on peoples freedom, but there is something you have forgotten. We have flattened the curve, you have not. Your outbreak is not done yet, its still ongoing and its going to get worse.
@Soteris So, when we get to 162,000 deaths, we'll be proportionately where Sweden is, in spite of areas with much greater population density. In my (suburban) county 1 in 9271 have died which is more or less like the yearly flu deaths.A bordering county with a population of 1.2 million has 178 deaths so far, less than 1/3 the death rate of Sweden.
@I-am-a-nobody Again we fucked up but we also had a reason to fuck up. You have no such excuse. Also you think USA is going to level out at 160 000 deaths? Well I got some bad news for you. The most recent predictions put your number at 200 000 and that prediction was at 60 000 when I first looked. You are steadily making things worse and worse than it had any right to be. I mean the reason the prediction stops at 200 000 is not because it will stop then. Its because its far enough in the future that they are not confident in their models anymore but the daily death count is actually rising from now till then.In Sweden we see the end of the 2nd wave. In USA there is no end projected even to the first wave. Do you realize how fuckt you are as a nation? Sweden should by all right be the worst example in the world but you saved us that dishonor.
@Soteris The 7 day moving average of deaths is 653 which is about 2 months out if the rate stays the same in the US (which it's going down 50% a month) and assuming no more deaths in Sweden. Even now Sweden is experiencing proportionately more deaths than the US. Moving average 29 vs 653 for a country with 1/30th the population.
Again, Sweden is gaining control, USA is losing control. By September its expected that USA will have far surpassed the 2,280 daily deaths set in April. You are losing the war on Covid19.
@Soteris I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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