I think there are a lot of us Americans that are very aware of how much harm he has done to international relationships with our friends and allies (in addition to all the damage he's done within the US). As you said though, I don't think his supporters are aware of any of that and most of them don't care about our relationships with other countries anyway because they want us to isolate ourselves from everyone else in the world. Hopefully in 7 months things will start to get better and we can start repairing all the damage.
@CallMeDave I count on you guys. And: Good luck :)
Thanks. We're trying. The polls are looking good right now, but they were looking fine the last time too so I don't really trust them. I just hope that a lot of the people that usually don't vote will see how important it is and will make the effort to get out there and vote.
Andreas i took a peek at your username "from Thailand."Any horror stories the harm the don affected your homeland? There's so many scandals and controversies every day it's hard to keep track. I got a general idea of the rest of the global embarrassments but I've got a blind spot in your neck of the world.
@NaultD Politically, it's quite messy here as well :) I did not try to say that the U. S. are the ONLY spot where adjustments would make sense. We can talk about Mr. Prayut Chan-o-cha in a different 'thread'; I also have certain unkind things to say about him. But: did you ever hear HIS name in a global scenario? Is your (perhaps unfavourable) picture of Thailand (or many other countries, too) shaped by the antics of only ONE person?
You guys do realize that it's not the job of the President of the United States (whether it's this administration or any other administration) to advocate for other countries against the United States on the international stage? That's why other countries have their own leaders, to do their own advocating for themselves. Other countries are just annoyed because we're making them pay their overdue bills. Sorry, but we're not the world's cash register.
@NYCQuestions1976 That's not really the case. 'We' just can't get rid of you guys: you get involved in the German Reich, North Korea, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Palestine/Israel, Vietnam; you try to influence (and boss around) China, the Phillippines, the EU members. You interfere (or interfered) in so many places where YOU actually should stay out. This all is headed by your President - and so it automatically makes this person an issue to 'ourselves' as well.So: what BILLS would WE have to pay in return of your UNWANTED (egocentric) actions? Keep your dollars please. The prostitutes over here won't be happy for a while; but they'll get over it.
The planet makes me laugh... everyone wants our aid, but never wants our involvement. Okay then.Oh I'm sorry... so the German Reich was something that DIDN'T need to be dealt with? Silly me for thinking otherwise.Oh I'm sorry... so the Chinese communist government attempt to cover up and hide the virus that has led to the pandemic (with a failed assist by the World "Health" Organization) shouldn't be dealt with? Silly me for thinking otherwise. Plus, I actually support financially bullying the Chinese government. Up until and just after World War II, China owed us hundreds of millions of dollars in debt. Once the communists took over in 1947, they basically told us, "Debt? No, that's not us. That was the previous regime. Sorry." So what did Truman and Eisenhower do? Nothing. They let them get away with that nonsense. So cry to someone else about China. I'm not interested in their faux victim act.Oh I'm sorry... so North Korea repeatedly firing rockets at South Korea and Japan over the years shouldn't be dealt with? Silly me for thinking otherwise.The United States was invited to Vietnam by France and South Vietnam... an invitation we should've declined.The European Union wants the benefits of being part of NATO (those who are members of both) without paying their bill for being part of NATO. Wrong!As for all the other locations you mentioned, since Trump became president, we've actually scaled down and pulled back our military interaction, intervention, and involvement around the world. Which is fine by me, since most of the Eastern Hemisphere is a hopeless backwards shithole anyway.So your incorrect complaint implies our international involvement is increasing, when in actuality, it's decreasing. So your complaint is being met... and thus, by default, is invalid. 👍
@NYCQuestions1976 If you guys continue to 'stay out' - I will be more than happy personally. I somewhat share some of your ideas: If some places can't look after themselves: let them go down.And just make sure that it does not affect me (or you). The problem with Hitler, Trump, or anyone else alike: They play a game that isn't yours (I'm sure that you have a name) or mine (Andreas) - they play us. To side with them would strip us from our very own individual intentions and 'righteousness'.Back to Trump: I say that he fails/failed because he does not see the individual people who -as one group- had expected that he would represent them all.
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Steve Bannon's advice on China has been influential. Trump has screwed it up. The Trans-Pacific Partnership would have blunted China's economic influence. Trump pulled the US out of it. Trump has been played by Russia. Trump has no legislative record of any distinction whatsoever.
@coffeewithcream "The Trans-Pasific Partnership would have blunted China's influence." You are smoking dope. No amount of trade agreements or similar BS is going to do anything to China's economic power. China went from the 7th largest to the world's largest economy in 25 years because we let it happen. The TPP is more of the same broken Washington consensus that got us here in the first place."Trump has been played by Russia" no explanation whatsoever given as to how this is. If Russia played Trump, then Putin raped Obama. Friendly relations with Russia are the future, our interests are increasingly aligned, and the US needs Russia to balance China.Trump actually does have a distinctive record, he has gotten through tax reform despite not having a coalition in congress, which is a significant and needed achievement.You clearly understand little to nothing about geopolitics, economics, or government, perhaps you should go back to school and learn something.
I'll leave it there. These issues have been discussed and re-discussed. Trumpees in trailer parks spouting off on the internet isn't something I'm going to spend my time with. I cut fools off when they swallow their own talking points.
@coffeewithcream trump destroyed the chinese economic opportunities abroad WITHOUT lowering American wages like the TPP would have done
The economy "was" rolling. It "was" cooking when Obama left office. Then Trump became president. Bounce fatty out of the White House. He is a disgrace who purposely divides Americans. Fuck Trump.
Obama left office in January 2017. The average economic "lag", positive or negative (under normal circumstances), lasts around 6 months. Occasionally 12 months at the most. If the positive economy was solely due to the Obama administration and Trump had done nothing economically positive, then we would've entered a recession in late 2017. That didn't happen. The economy continued to grow and grow faster and the unemployment rate continued to decline.I'm a full-time single father. I need to think with my wallet, not with emotion. Honestly, if the House and Senate and Trump would just get the national infrastructure bill passed (Trump and Cuomo, who HATE each other, have met about this a number of times already... but it's almost never covered by the media, because it's boring and not dramatic), then I really wouldn't care what everyone and all of these politicians say or do afterwards. The work that would be generated in this area (and every metropolitan area) would be ridiculous and will last well over a decade. As of now, Congress still hasn't put anything together to even consider. Very disappointing.
He inherited the economy from Obama. He's dismantled accountable democracy, the cornerstone of what the US founding fathers created. That's the long and short of it.
Oh, bullshit.The average length of a bull market is just short of three years, not six months, and that's the stock market. The economy itself, if you're looking at employment, is different. The employment picture was climbing from 1907 to 1929. Then again from 1940 to a slight dip in 1958 then back on the upswing in 1961 to roughly 1973 with the first petro shock. Where you get your six month timelines is beyond me. Trump has been busy erasing accountability in government, firing inspectors general, turning the traditionally independent attorney general's office into a political lackey, and ignoring the thousands of civil servants there to provide expert advice in favour of, again lackeys and inexperienced yes-men, including his son-in-law. Those of independent mind try to hang on for the good of the country but in the end pack in their jobs. It is amazing his incompetence seems invisible to about 40% of Americans.
@coffeewithcream No, Dingleberry. Don't be a deliberate disingenuous fool.I wasn't just posting about the overall positive or negative performance of the market or the economy, or the amount of time either lasts. I was posting about the "LAG". Or maybe you like the word "latency" better? The amount of time between a given single administration action (one point in time) and the economic results that follow. The delay is NEVER 3+ years. Six months on average, 12 months the most. Stop being ridiculous and spreading disinformation.You have ZERO credibility. You think Jimmy Carter was a good economist. 😂 Game over. *GAME SHOW BUZZER*Go actually LEARN something based in actual factual reality before challenging me again. Oh and I'm still waiting for you to tell me if Trudeau washed off his blackface yet. Let me know. Thanks. 👍
@NYCQuestions1976 Are you basically saying that the secret to a great economy is acknowledging that money is imaginary and that debt is meaningless? That's all Republicans do is give huge breaks to the wealthy, who basically escape paying taxes, while running up gigantic debt.
Well both parties could fix a lot of issues if they really wanted to (corporate tax loopholes, distinguishing between illegal immigration and legal immigration, education, health, unionization in a capitalist market and society, just to name a few), but bureaucracy and red tape keeps government employed.Illegal immigration: Republicans use them as cheap labor, and Democrats use them as a soap box topic in the hopes of generating votes.Cooperate tax loopholes: Will never change because both parties rely heavily on their support.Now, here's how things could and should work:Streamline legal immigration and the path to citizenship. That would help deter illegal immigration.Allow domestic companies and corporations that remain in this country and hire skilled educated unionized labor with full benefits to benefit with a 10% tax rate. Now the company makes money, the employees make money, and unionism and capitalism not only co-exist, but both thrive. If any companies look to leave the country or hire cheap/illegal labor or ship jobs overseas, then they're tax rate would jump to 40%.Education: Give students comprehensive full benefits while they're in college with incentives towards the goals of graduation and starting a career. There are too many "perpetual students". People with no intention of ever graduating or leaving college and starting a career, instead making college their careers (and I don't mean people like legitimate researchers). They rack up student loans (taxpayer dollars) for decades with no intention of ever paying them back. If you're in college for 12 years and you're not a doctor when you're done (or some viable career), then you've wasted your time and my money. That's unacceptable.You always of course have programs and find ways to help those who can't help themselves. That's always part of the answer.So of course there can always be tweaks, but that's the gist of everything.
Uh... shouldn't we all "choose to look at it" from the perspective of objective measurable reality?
Yes... and if we do that, every single president has their ups and downs. Not everyone is going to like everything their president those.Also when I say it depends on how one chooses to look at it, I'm also taking in to account people who try equate DT to Adolf Hitler which is ridiculous. Some people's view of DT is quite ridiculous and hypocritical.
Well... yes, everyone has ups and downs. Correct. The point is, how many ups, versus how many downs. Based in, again, objective measurable reality. Not "feelings."
It's not objective, it's actually subjectiveWhat one person likes, another person may hate.Personally I would day there are more downs, but someone else who likes DT would say there are more ups... in that case, who is more right than the other?Donald Trump is a bad president, yes, but I prefer him to someone like Obama for 1 simple reason:You're a cop investigating a murder and you want to catch the criminals responsible. One of them is a talkative, the other has a nice personality and a nice smile and people will never suspect that he just committed a murder.Which do you prefer:The talkative?Or The one with a nice personality?Thanks to Trump, people are kind of awake now, but unfortunately there's a certain group that strongly wants everyone to go back to sleep, and they are on the verge of electing a guy that literally almost falls asleep while talking.
... No, it's really not subjective, unless somehow you think that violence isn't bad, poverty isn't bad, and destroying the environment isn't bad, for example. Essentially, the only way objective reality doesn't exist is if we (you, or whoever) don't think that math is real, scientific fact is real, or common decency isn't a thing. If we agree that those things are indeed real (since they are), many things you may be implying are subjective, are not subjective.
Everything else you wrote was utter nonsense and I'm not interested in addressing it.
People's opinions on violence is 100% subjective, its not a "math" problem.And violence is not unique to DT.Destroying the environment is objectively bad for us human if we care about survival... but it's not unique to only this president even though it seems like every one wants to put everything bad that has ever happened on him, when that's not the case.Everything else I wrote isn't nonsense, you won't address it because you and I know it's true.At face value he seems like this overly scary thing, but when you look on paper you find that it's really not that different from what others have been doing, except they've been doing it quietly.
"Violence is not unique to DT." ... I didn't say it was. I said it's bad. I don't know where you're being led astray here."Destroying the environment is objectively bad for us human if we care about survival" ... yes. Correct. Good job. You get it.Again, no, many things are not subjective, and it's disingenuous to imply that they are, which is only a position that someone would take if they are not a victim of those things-- poverty, violence, environmental destruction, common indecency, and so on.
We're ultimately talking about Donald Trump and that's why I think you're putting all of those things on him as if it's unique to his presidency, and that's why I used that cop and 2 criminals analogy, the idea being: where was all this outrage when the same things were happening under the previous presidency?
There wasn't any outrage, because the former president put everyone to sleep while he did the same evils, but now that we have a loud mouth, everyone is awake.
Today, people are actively trying to elect another president that will put everyone back to sleep, leaving these core issues you mentioned unfixed
We have to think of real solutions to these issues, not a decorated bandage covering an infected wound.
"We have to think of real solutions to these issues, not a decorated bandage covering an infected wound." Yes. Correct. Hence the first thing I wrote.
Yes, I've looked at it from every angle. We all know Trump is bad.My analogy continues to stand because right now, people are fighting real hard for that decorated bandage once more (Joe Biden)
I'll assume you agree that JB isn't the solution, but right now this election is:A decorated bandage VsAn awakening / acknowledgment of what's wrong with US. politics.
I don't know what analogy you're referring to. People are going hard for Biden because he has many good points and ideas, but mainly just because he isn't Trump. Most people would vote for a cocaine-addled duck over Trump, because even a cocaine-addled duck would be more fit for office than the former. Biden is not the best choice the voters in South Carolina could have made, sure, but it doesn't really matter-- what matters is whoever is the better available choice. Just because I want a filet mignon versus a McDonald's hamburger doesn't mean I won't take a way, way nice hamburger over a McDonald's hamburger. A lesser option, that is still better than the other option, is the option that is logically the option to be picked. That's all.
Uh... no, I don't agree that he's not the solution. He's the best available option. The fact that we all need to also do our part does not mean that the person at the top doesn't matter, when they do matter. Turns out they matter a lot.
He doesn't have any tax returns. That was one of the whole reasons him as a president was enticing, he knew the tax system well enough to as a billionar not pay anything. He knew it was flawed and went in saying he intended on fixing it. Donald Trumps tax returns read 0 legally
@jgibsonian1986 He doesn't have any tax returns? So the tax returns he doesn't have and don;t exist read 0 legally. I bet to a Trump suppoorter, that comment makes perfect sense.
@jgibsonian1986 You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. He most certainly has tax returns that he claims have been "under audit" during his entire presidency. Trump is a filthy liar.
If your idea of success is runaway debt, then I agree with you.
Let me guess. Fox News viewer? :)
awww one downrate. Show me where I hurt your feelings
Unemployment is at record highs and the stock market is sliding back down again. Trump has divided the country and there are protests everywhere you go. He is the biggest possible failure imaginable.
I'm sorry this country was divided well becore Trump can into office as far as the unemployment goes it is going down as the economy pick back up from this virus. Sorry but Obama was the biggest failure next to jimmy Carter
Obama and Carter put Trump to shame. Nobody sane likes trump. You are an obvious troll so it is time to block. :)
we are people smart enough to know appearances don't matter. countries are not highschool girls they cannot be "disgraced" or "embarrassed" geopolitics is not your highschool. stop personifying it as such. nations are doing what we want. trump is achieving an outcome desirable for america's future
@007kingifrit Ignoring science and dividing us is desirable?
Yeah but the coronavirus hoax the riots the defending of the police they're trying to do the mail-in voting now we'll have to face them sabotaging another election the trying to do it through the mail in votes I mean they're going all out this time and of course trump will win but they are going to rig it to no end look at all they've done so far to slander him the only thing left to do would be assassinated him that have already been hinting at that
What planet are you on?
@coffeewithcream hmm that would actually be a better question for you to answer...
@Jack9949 I mean, seriously. Trump inherited an economy and claimed it for his own just like he inherited millions and called himself a self-made man. His policies? Gutting accountable government during his term has been his biggest legacy.
@coffeewithcream He didn’t inherit the economy. The GDP growth rate was under 2% during Obama and 3-4% during Trump’s. Why is that so hard to understand? Do you honestly believe Tax cuts and regulation rollbacks and new fair trade deals had absolutely no impact whatsoever? Keep watching CNN bud, I can tell it is serving you well.
@Jack9949 Bullshit. Under Obama jobs were created at a faster rate and the GDP reached over 3 per cent in one quarter, under Trump it never reached that, the closest was 2.9. The EPA under Trump was made into a corporate bitch, rolling back environmental protections that took decades to put in place. You call that a plus. Trumpees never look at facts. This debate has taken place numerous times.
@coffeewithcream Ok so if were not the ones looking at facts, can you show me yours?
@Jack9949 I've given up hand-holding on G@G, or dragging slow learners over the finish line. It's not worth my time. I have when I started on G@G, but there's too many people who don't research and God knows where they get their "facts" but I now leave them to it. Google it. The independently accumulated data is out there for you to peruse.
@coffeewithcream If its so easy to obtain just show me and I’ll believe you.
@coffeewithcream Cuz I still haven’t found your supposed “facts” of the matter
@Jack9949 The word "facts"don't have to be in quotation marks. I have no doubt you're research inhibited.
@coffeewithcream Well if your criticizing me for things that meaningless, it’s pretty obvious you are already losing you argument. And go on, where’s those sources? Non existent right?
@Jack9949 Look who's here. Everyone's favorite 3rd rate provocateur, maker up of things just to fuck with people and all around real piece of shit. As a favor because I realize Googling "Quarterly U. S. GDP growth" was entirely beyond your capabilities, I did it for you. Best 2.3 seconds I ever spent. Here's the research you were asking for and it's even from Forbes, a Conservative right leaning business publication if ever there was one. But right or left leaning, government issued statistics don't lie and even you can't spin this though I'm sure you'll try.www.forbes.com/.../#aeb9a6a4fedfAnd this was 1) Published on February 1, 2020 before any effect of the pandemic was felt so don't try to use that as an excuse and 2) Reflects the benefit of Trump's massive tax cut to the rich and corporations which Obama never had. I shudder to think what Trump's numbers would have looked like had he not mortgaged the country's future for generations to come to help his rich buddies and corporations so he could keep that campaign contribution pipeline flowing.So in light of being proven wrong... again, you've got 3 options.1) Apologize for spreading lies and false information2) Say you were just making stuff up to trigger the libs "and look how triggered you guys are". or3) Go fuck yourself.Whether you choose 1 or 2, you should do in 3 regardless.
@jakerson181 Wow what an excellent source...
@jakerson181 I’ll trust the government website instead on this one... no thanks www.whitehouse.gov/.../
@Jack9949 Forbes magazine, been around for over 100 years, run by Steve Forbes, one of the bibles of business analysis and commentary. Yeah, I agree with you, excellent source. Waiting on your choice of #1 or #2 and don't forget to add #3.
@jakerson181 I’m surprised you didn’t understand my sarcasm...
@jakerson181 Sarcasm is a very common skill to have... you should try to understand it... or maybe spend some time in Elementary school so you can re-educate yourself.
@Jack9949 I'm surprised you're too stupid to understand that laundry list of bullshit is 1) almost 2 years old and 2019 was not a great year and 2) is not official government data from the U. S. Department of Commerce which is the only data the financial markets care about but was put together by Trump's White House Cheerleading squad which has no connection to reality or objectivity and has corrupted WhiteHouse. org which used to be a non-partisan host of impartial information and turned it into an extension of Trump's reelection campaign, I would have thought even someone as stupid as you would know it's not objective data to be relied upon.
@Jack9949 Whitehouse. gov
@jakerson181 Well Trump is the most reliable source of information there is considering the media lies all the time. If I was a chic I’d be sucking his dick all the time. Best President ever.
@jakerson181 Also could you find me the “official government data from the U. S. Department of Commerce”
@Jack9949 Yeah because Trump never lies or makes up anything about his own accomplishments. The data Forbes cited is official government data released by the U. S. Department of Commerce but I'm sure to you, that's still fake news from the media. I certainly didn't think you'd ever be man enough to admit you were wrong but this attempt at spin is so weak, it's just beneath you. Well, actually as we've seen, nothing is beneath you including threatening to kill yourself which you never had any intention of doing but just said to test people to see if they'd try to talk you out of it. That was a good one.
@Jack9949 "Also could you find me the “official government data from the U. S. Department of Commerce”Fuck you. Find it yourself.
@jakerson181 “The data Forbes cited is official government data released by the U. S. Department of Commerce but I'm sure to you, that's still fake news from the media.” That’s not true. They CLAIM the data they included is official but that doesn’t make it so.
He failed at everything. The worst thing is he purposely divided the country. Shameful.
You liberals are so out of touch with reality. This country has been divided for decades. The communist democrats have stirred up hatred towards whites and police, that's the division you're seeing.
@angryyhedge I'm a moderate, fucknuckle. And you are the angry one. It's even in your username.
@supercutebutt And you must be a slut. Nobody here needs to know that you supposedly got a nice ass.
@Jack9949 Calm down, future criminal. Your rage will land you in prison one day.
@supercutebutt How would you feel if I named my profile “nicehardcock” and posted a pic of a cucumber? It’s the same idea.
@supercutebutt Oh and better yet if I said I worked in “other” and I was “Just a guy with a nice hard cock”
Oh you dumb as f*** this is a white country okay blacks are slaves from Africa okay if it's not their country and personally I don't want to live with them so he's for the American people so you are stupid you sound like a f****** liberal f****** social justice warrior once you go to Africa with them what she was like dancing statues trump's the best thing that's happened in this country
@angryyhedge thank you for putting these idiots in check
@grimlochv ngl not every black person is the same. But in general, yes it would have been better if we got Africans out of this country when we had the chance. Considering a minority is committing an overwhelming majority of murders.
@Jack9949 of course there's exceptions.. u personally know some great black people. maybe a couple.. but in general they have dragged down our country and our people down in every way.. and they are given everything in every way possible and they have the audacity to disrespect white people in every way
@grimlochv So true. I believe equality has to be earned. I don’t believe its something that anybody is entitled to.
@Jack9949 thank you
Same concept? Are these other celebrities running our country?
The issue is, his personality has made sexism, racism and homophobia almost acceptable again. That alone makes him a failure.
Again, as much as his personality may suck, it doesn't mean everything he does in his job is awful and a lot of people can't fathom that
He sux in almost every way. The only thing he is good for is making us laugh. But we already have plenty of comedians.
Not entirely true, I just hate to admit he has done some things well. He inherited the economy on the up and improved on that until the issues with COVID19. With that he has also had one if the lowest unemployment rates of any president during his term, managing up until COVID arrived. And I am sure many things have happened both good and bad that I am oblivious to. But like so many people these days, I do not look for what good things may have happened, as I despise the man for how he behaves & his view on science; as you have pointed out. And I want him gone from political power and the news.
It's not about his personality. It's about his performance.
@Weasly It's terribly unfortunate you are oblivious to much he's done, dismantled and eroded.
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This is like asking whether cancer or dog shit has been a success or a failure. There's only one way to answer.