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Exactly but people are to stupid to see that, all they care about is "social justice"
Those are weak minded liberals that are out in left field
More like China but you get the idea...
How? We humiliated Russia in the 90’s.
China’s the new strongman. I doubt they’d compromise with Russia over shared territory
Germany attacked all the countries with no military first , took their assets , made men into slaves and then got stronger and attacked countries with a military.
vladimir Putin and his fighter pilots like to test us and if we’re defunded we are soon to be a week country. And when that happens anything is possible. Putin is very macho and if we get a liberal Democrat President into office and he or she is passive and our military gets defunded we are in big trouble here in the USA. Always vote Republican
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Not perfect. Nothing ever is perfect in this mortal veil of tears. However, infinitely preferable to a world in turmoil - see also the lost American lives on the Lusitania as a microcosm of what the world might otherwise look like.In any case, it is highly unlikely that the military would be literally de-funded. The loss of jobs - in both the armed forces specifically and in the defense industry in general - alone would provoke howls of pain and anguish from a public that thinks it knows what it wants - until it gets it. Thus for both global geostrategic reasons and domestic economic reasons, the defense budget will get cuts relative to GDP, but full blown de-funding is all but impossible.
Yeah that sounds interesting. I just want to make sure we have military that keeps trade good. Cheaper commodities. Not being taken advantage. All for optimizing anything unnecessary to cut
The FIRST place we should start defunding is Congress! They take waaaaaaaaaay too many vacations and have the best benefits this country can offer yet they do absolutely NOTHING for the American people. In fact, they have been known to BLATANTLY go against what the average/majority of Americans want. Take the "2nd stimulus" for example. I am neither for or against stimulus, but look at almost every poll, youtube comment, etc. and it is clear that MOST americans want another stimulus check now and to worry about repayment later when this crisis passes. However, Congress was too busy arguing about THEIR agenda instead of the people's agenda when they were in session. They KNEW the average American is struggling with this pandemic yet the Senate chose to go on vacation when they could have been like real Americans and worked until the job was done. They basically said "I know Americans are struggling, but our vacation comes first". The military, on the other hand, does what it is supposed to do. People say our military has too big a budget, yet we have equipment falling apart (which endangers our servicemembers' lives) and homeless veterans.
You might be forgetting America's military doesn't just protect their own borders but many others.
@JimboGB which ones?
By this count, 69 countries have some form of defence pact with the United... The whole of Europe, Japan, Egypt lol a quarter of the world population is under American defence.
@JimboGB well thats good to know, makes a bit more sense on why do they need three times bigger force than CHINA
Yeah, they probably could cut it but I'm just pointing out it isn't solely an echo thing. Many counties do rely on America being strong.
@JimboGB im not convinced the rest of the world needs your protection. a lot of it is to do with america protecting its investments or trying to claim oil or opiod production etc. lets look at the actions of the American military in syria for example... all that did was destabilize Europe as we saw a flood of refugees and us europeans aren't so stupid we dont realize that was the plan
@wankiam I'm British, not American and I agree with basically everything you said but certain parts of the world do rely on America for defence, that's just a fact. Even the Uk nuclear deterrent can't be fired without American approval as it's their system we are using. Nato the real defence of Europe is basically America plus the a pathetic Uk contrition along with the rest of Europe. Since 1980, the United States has provided Egypt with what now totals over $40 billion in the military and $30 billion in economic assistance, you have Israel and whether you agree politically or not really isn't the point. Before you argue for the removal of the protection and support the Americans bring, you need to fix the problem in Israel, restructure the attire Egyptian economy, leave Japan and Australia to defend for themselves against the might of China. Europe and the likes of the Uk would need to remilitarise to fill the gape.
@JimboGB remember the falklands... america wouldn't even allow the uk to use their airspace let alone help which is why we had to fly our British made vulcans via assencion to do the job. oh and as for defence against china, im not convinced we need to be taking the American pill on that one either. no i dont like what they are doing in hong kong or how they treat muslims in the south west of china but this whole phone company thing is just the uk being bullied by trump and im dissappointed bojo fell for it. isreal are in bed with america so no idea how you suggest we stop the annexation of vast swathes of palestinian land... what really concerns me most is brexit was supposed to be about the uk regaining sovereignty but whats happening is we are becoming the 51st state and somehow you seem happy about that which seems contradictory to me
Then you must also understand that many many smaller counties come to the us for aid.
@EyesOfGod aid they need because you sold arms to the neighbours who bombed them
@wankiam Also during the Falklands war, Isreal was selling weapons to Argentina which not many people know. To be fair, we didn't need the Americans. I would totally disagree that Boris was bullied by Trump. The Americans were looking at us like we were nuts because we're acting crazy, this is what friends are for lol. You are simply not dealing in reality if you don't think that these companies have ties to the Chinese government and could be open to espionage, TikTok and the likes of these companies present a real cybersecurity risk. The Chinese Communist Party is as ideological as ever, that is why they do what they do to Muslim women, and still go on their military marches, their values are diametrically opposed to our own. With or without Trump.
@JimboGB its not a case of not dealling with reality, its just that i dont see chinese investment as a threat as much as americans do... like ther was talk of a chinese company offering to build hs2 for half the budget and five years faster than uk contractors but would still ofcourse be employing brits to do the work... what was wrong with that idea? are we to believe the ''evil commies'' might then be able to make our trains run late lol. as for tik tok gettting banned in america, shall we just forget western outrage at china banning farcebook
Estonia wants protection from Russia, Thailand wants protection from China there are many other examples. Also at what point did any country not sell arms to a now hostile country? We sold tanks to the soviets during the red scare era.
@EyesOfGod so shouldn't we learn from history and strive for peace rather than the whole world having to live on the knife edge of war just so arms dealers, oil barons and opioud dealers can make lots of money off the back of the tax payer. im not saying we shouldn't defend our own borders but its global interference i personally question
You should understand. Humans are irrational, unpredictable, and untrustworthy. Peace without power is pointless because the moment a conflict arises (and it will) you cannot enforce the peace. That's what nukes are for. Peace Through Power!
If we didn't get involved in WW2 Europe could have been completely dominated by the Nazi's or the Soviets and once your that big a country like that would continue to expand consuming ever square inch of land they can get.
@EyesOfGod tell that to bhutan. ofcourse what you said has some truth but its a sad truth and not one i wish to live by. it also doesn't explain why americans should still invest in a military so heavily when actually most the rest of the world is no longer interested in looking to the states for global leadership
and on the second point, again i refer to my earlier sttement that we should learn from history and because we dont we have allowed america to become the biggest threat to the world
I think its important to remember everything america does in the world. We help a lot of countries.
If we were a threat we would have smashed China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea. Because they are trying to rise above their stations to become our adversaries.
@chris4fun state aid is very different to military intervention
@EyesOfGod yeah that sound a tad war mongerish to me
Yes, in Africa we provide the governments military advisors to help them with rebels and ISIS remnants. In Europe we are the Europeans Shield against the Russians, in the Pacific we make sure China does not steal the oceans hundreds of miles from their shores.
How does it? All we do is keep the peace we allow countries do whatever the fuck they want as long as it doesn't lead to any big wars.
@EyesOfGod you know russia and Europe are huge trading partners right and as for africa was the recent American bombing campaign in somalia really helpful to the innocent human beings caught up in it? fact is the cold war ended in the early 90s for the rest of the world and most of this anti russia/china rhetoric we hear always comes from one place and one place only
If America kept all its forces inside and didn't help other countries you know how much less information we would have when it comes to the outside world.. let alone with everything going on right now and China pushing the boundaries you talking about something that could start another war if they don't stop their shit. You have to remember there's a bunch of countries and just because its 2020 doesn't mean people are not going to go around taking land from eachother again and building an army. Then what were going to yell at eachother on why did we pull out of these places because we knew what would happen and play the blame game. Before you talk about defunding something there's a lot of research that has to be done as far as seeing what goods it actually provides
If the US was being war mongers we would have annexed Crimea we would have annexed hong kong and Thailand, we would hire and support terrorist groups, we would put bounties on ever russian, chinese, Iran NK person. If we were we would test fire missiles over other countries. But we dont do those things. China, Iran, Russia, NK do those things.
@wankiam did you know Nazi Germany and the Soviets were huge trading partners? All the way up to the day when the Nazis invaded the Soviets.
@EyesOfGod i dont like to repeat myself but i did mention oil, opiouds and such like before so maybe thats why america was funding the taliban in afghan but nevermind, we clearly see it all from different perspectives and with the other guy butting in its quite hard to follow any line of thought here. its clear im not going to convince either of you but then, thats not my job. you can do your own research or just trust what associated press tells you. up to you
Trading means nothing you have no idea what governments have planned.
@EyesOfGod yeah ok but you know a trade war, a cold war and actual war are no different right? innocent people still suffer
We funded the Taliban so not only could they defend their country which was invaded by the Soviets, but also to get back at the Soviets for Vietnam
@EyesOfGod wow, some real innacuracies there but again, its clear im not going to get anywhere here so have a nice day and enjoy your huge tax bill that gives you little in the way of public services but at least you can sleep tight at night knowing your government cares about you
People suffer everyday thats nothing new. there's a huge difference fool in a trade war its only economy vs economy. In a cold war its weak non nuclear country vs non nuclear country. In an actual war every city on the planet would be nuked.
@EyesOfGod again you are ceasing to make any sense... sanctions on venezuala for example have killed people as they suffer the effects of poverty. maduro still has a big meal every night. i think if you can't see a distinction between everyday human life and nationalism im really wasting my time
You know how many people would have a problem if America actually just said this month were going to solve problems and went ahead and did what needed to be done. Protest on the streets other countries would be pissed and scared. Your acting like because its so big it must be used. When you have something that big you can just use it even if you believe its the correct thing to do.
@chris4fun global problems or their own home made ones?
Talking about the specific example you used with Venezuela. We can all see what needs to happen but to blame America for the problem what was caused by their own government. Sanctions are only there to try to get them to stop what they are doing. Besides all out war there's not much that can happen. I mean assassination...
@chris4fun again you are refering to the associated press version of events. if venezuala were free to sell their oil themselves and if the uk gave them back the 6 billion pounds worth of gold we are refusing to release under the instruction of trum, then maybe the people could control their own economy as they did before
I love it.. if this happened and then this happened and the maybe they would be good.. bro yeah I can't have a conversation with that.
Its funny how you blame it on everybody else besides them.. no personal responsibility. You right I don't have all the info on this but why are there sanctions on them to begin with? Is it because they were a free and peaceful great country that was doing great on its own and protecting their own people and doing great... something tells me thats not it..
@chris4fun laugh all you like but america has a history of trying to force out socialist leaders in south america. ofcourse life wasn't perfect there the same as its not perfect anywhere but who actually decided it was any concern to america? well in this case it was the government sponsors, namely the oil companies citing a failed regime when infact they just want to control the markets
I believe America should understand when the government controlling the people is hurting the people or the government is letting another group whether its another government or a private company control and hurt its people. America just doesn't understand a band-aid.. kill the mother fucker hurting his people and leave.. people say then the next person will just do the same thing.. do it enough times and it will be understood that kind of regime will not be allowed.
@chris4fun well we agree on something then... iraq being a great example of it and syria to a certain degree. either have a clear exit plan or dont enter in the first place.
I think it can be optimized like someone said here. Maybe cut a 1/4 of it. Something. But we need the military to keep prices low. We benefit in other ways. I say what's helpful is submitting a letter to correct department on things we don't need but do try keep what we do for trade and negotiations.
Like for example if military in some part of the world brings down the cost of resources for building houses.. yeah we need that. Cheaper houses in return to protect someone's borders. What's good about that is we can always retract and use those forces anywhere if things change then bring them back to the borders and continue lower prices. I say we need military. It's a service we provide. But yeah if you think of some projects they spending money on and we don't need it, just seems excess. Send letter. Don't talk on here. Help us, get the info and send correct letter asking to cut x project for x reason. Just think economy/budget. That's going to help the most. Working with a mindset to save America money while protection in mind too. Optimizing
@Porcelaine Hey, even paranoids have real enemies ;)
@wankiam You need to blame your heroes Obama and Hillary Clinton for the fuked up Syria situation.
@KrakenAttackin ah another, he hates trump so must think obama was a great man assumptionist... i actually hate what obama did in syria but trump didn't exactly make it all better.
@KrakenAttackin and you should also note i hate the democrats as much as the republicans when it comes to American two sides of the same coin politics. and biden is a prick too
@wankiam I would be happy to have the U. S. walk away from most of the world. We need to control the sea lanes and protect our own borders, and have a forward based anti-ballistic missile system, but fuck everything else.
@KrakenAttackin well if you read what i said in previous posts i did say every country has a right to protect its borders...
Yes because the army uses all those weapons every day... Great use of tax payers money..
Well said sir, well said👏
This is great comedy.
Wow. I have never seen so much profound ignorance in my life.
All you Americans claim to own guns to protect your freedom from invaders yet you still want an army. That money could go to helping oppressed genders art projects
We own guns to protect against home invaders and such, not an entire fucking army invading our country, that's the military's job, please tell me you were just joking about what you said
NOT joking. Every American gun owner on here has told me they have a gun to repel invaders foreign and domestic. Most believe if they give up their gun the British will come back. Truth is most believe that their capable of taking on the U. S. army too and without them you'd be a dictatorship
Ok but none of them probably want to defund the military, ordinary citizens can't fight off an entire army, stop being ignorant, we have the greatest military in the world, and I'd like to keep it like that
What does the U. S. military do all day? Are you kidding? The U. S. had GLOBAL commitments and deployments. The U. S. military has seen combat every year for the past 70 years with the last 20 years being intensive combat operations.
Who would invade a country of ice? Maybe they can open a lemonade stand there with the free ice.
@purplepoppy I have to think you are kidding.
@purplepoppy No dear, our guns are to protect us from criminals and corruption of government.
Free healthcare and free college? Who is going to pay for all this? You think the military is expensive, wait until you see the cost of free things. It is only free on the surface. Your taxes will get raised to pay for it plus the $14 Trillion we are in debt for. Now what would you do if there was no more early warning stations because of defunding, and China, Korea, or someone else, or all of them, dropped a nuke on your state capital? You would scream "How come our military didn't stop these things? Are we going to retaliate before they hit us some more?" Nope, it was defunded so all you have now is weekend warriors and it isn't the weekend. So sorry!
All those reasons you stated is why we have the greatest military in the world
Leave it to an 18 yr old to say something so dumb. Why don't we just have free rent and free alcohol while we're at it? Nothing is free in life. Everything costs time, money, and resources.
@Yep12345678 every developed country on earth has free healthcare m. The USA is the only one where people die because they can’t afford healthcare. Why is the USA so much worse than the others?
They may have free healthcare but what is the quality of the doctors and how long before you can get an appointment? How many people die under their care? In private practice if a doctor is no good they go out of business. In a state funded health care doctors of lower quality can easily get a job. Just like in anything else, if you want the best it is going to cost you.
@AllieOops in Canada people live longer, lower infant mortality, have better outcomes for chronic diseases. 99% of people in Canada love their free healthcare and would never want the American system where people die because they can’t afford insulin.
@Yep12345678 The 18 year old is a product of our marxist education system. The U. S. needs to completely revamp public and private education for both primary and secondary schools to drive out the marxist and eliminate tenure. Schools should not be indoctrination camps.
@KrakenAttackin Canadians spend half as much on taxes for healthcare as American spend on health insurance. And they have worse outcomes... there is no way to spin it, it’s just objectively a worse system. Capitalism has no place in healthcare
yeah 500000 vets on the street i heard. in the uk they are treated like heroes and there are many government funded schemes to help them. not that i agree with it totally but it does show an imbalance
Ik you’d be suprised how many homeless vets there are here I America and the government does the bare minimum to help them
yeah i was shocked when i saw the figures and how the homeless are treated in america
How are women going to be able to defend the country?
we are smarter
Ok not aloud to overly arrest one race over the other is stupid and impossible, nobody can prevent on race from committing more crimes than the other, dumbest thing ever I hope that's not true. Oh and yes defunding the police has done something, crime rates have skyrocketed in cities that have done so such as nyc
No it’s not stupid because cops do arrest certain groups of people at higher rates than others and cops definitely pick and choose who they let go or don’t when in reality it’s fucked up to try and say somebody matters more than somebody else and should be protected from prison or having a bad record. Cops need to keep their cam on because if a crimes committed by whoever the fuck it is they need to pay for what they did no more letting white people go because they’re seen as “good people”. Until those crime rates start to match up with their cams and actually report what they have to allTheir cams need to be reviewed to make sure they’re not letting absolutely nobody go anymore 🤗. Lmfao that’s a lie nobody in NYC is saying that and we know the dirty ass cops are trying to say we’re all going crazy doing wild things and breaking the law but it’s not true lol I actually live in a brown neighborhood and we are most definitely not blowing eachother up and robbing shit because the cops are getting defunded come on now 🤦🏻♀️
You like Chinese PP's? Because running from one if we have no military. China would invade in a heart beat if there was no military.
Yeah, that would go over like a lead balloon. Like telling a coyote that the chicken coop door is open, come and chat with the hens awhile. See what results that gets. Didn't you ever see Red Dawn?
Did the boston bombings and the San Bernadino. incidents not tell you that enemys dont wanna sit down and have a drink they rather kill Americans
ROFL. You must be a troll or brain-damaged.
@SomeBlondeChick no your brain doesn't work sif you think our Enemys aren't always planning on how to attack this country and our special operations always on standby ready to take them out with. the CIA, you must be a jihadist leave our country
@SomeBlondeChick Yeah, I was trying to be satirical because defunding the military seems like the dumbest thing we could do right now.
I’m pretty sure this was meant to be sarcastic with the whole “crack a sprite” thing but still... that wasn’t needed...
I hope you're a troll because you sound like those two hikers that got captured and their heads chopped off by some terrorists because they thought they could make peace.
Nvm didn't see your other comment
The US being the World Police has worked for the past 70 years. We have had any world wars after all.
@EyesOfGod that's a fair point. My only concern is that its unsustainable.
You get a SO for that good answer.
@888theGreat SO? Stupid Opinion?
Super opinion , one person here has 25 of them
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China can dominate already by using pitchforks and inflatable rafts. They have over 1 billion people.
Then we also give military aid to many countries and like the Europeans they dont pay what they owe us. Hell the British just paid off their WW1 debts in 2017 imagine when they will pay off their WW2 debts.
Yeah. Definitely Peace through Strength is a huge part of that. And ultimately we’d spend more money and lives trying to fight wars than we would with just a peaceful presence everywhere
Sub par ICBM Defense system*
China is expanding and building its military , they have a bigger Navy than US now and they are claiming land left and right, plus they are taking over waters too. They soon will have same number of Nukes as we have. Their Army has more men than we do. Don't give them a reason to invade US.
You have no claims in asia so you are just running a dick measurement contest. It doesn't matter how many nukes you have. If you need to use a single one you have lost. It's just a race to your own doom.
Commies?Russia is a mess. They are at bay and will stay like that for the foreseeable future.
Tell that to the Ukranians. They've been fighting Russia since '14. And it ain't just Russia. China is gunning for Taiwan and the South China Sea, and North Korea is acting up. Again.
Ukraine ain't a NATO country nor is Taiwan.Also Russia and China can easily conquer Mongolia, we aren't talking about that but.NATO can do with a lill less US
The last time we left Europe alone by themselves WWII happened. And Ukraine was in the process of joining NATO when the Ruskies attacked.