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Because people like you don’t believe we’re doing well and want more, lol.
@PixelNight You're not doing well. You've got a thousand people a day dying from it, and the number of dead per million (currently 546) is going up daily. You're on track to overtake Sweden in deaths per million in a week or two, and Italy a few days after that.
@PixelNight belief has nothing to do with it. There are facts out there that are unconcerned with whether or not their existence makes your orange moron look good. Some of them might even do that, but we'll never know as long as you people want to be content with what you believe instead of what is.
It has a 99.96% recovery rate. More people die or diarrhea per year than have died from corona
@PixelNight Keep adding nines to that bogus statistic, why don't you?"It has a 99.96% recovery rate. More people die or diarrhea per year than have died from corona"0.165% of New York state's population has died from the virus. (33,000 dead, of 20 million people). If every single person in the state caught it, that would be a 99.835% survival rate, but only one in forty caught it.Last time I looked, it's on track to be the 10th biggest cause of death in the United States, this year.
So the whole US is New York now? 😂😂 you’re full of lies and manipulations my dude. Keep it up
Dont be stupid. You know that isn't what he said. Why pretend otherwise? Is it just something you trump trash can't help yourselves in doing?
What did he say then? I see he’s talking about New York :)
You know what he said, unless you're confessing that you didn't read it and only skimmed for the parts you could fit intonyour trump troll narrative 😂😂
Oh okay so you can’t explain how he wasn’t only talking about New York, got it. Thanks
You are free to scroll up and read it for yourself. Im not going to do your homework for you, typical trump trash.
Lmaoooooooo. You’re pathetic dude. I’ve read it. He talks about New York. You’re saying he isn’t. Explain yourself bro
Not what I'm saying, trump trash. Omg I see why you little bitches are so upset with our country, given how our education system has falied you.
Is it that hard to show what you see? Lmaoo. Keep calling me trump trash and making yourself look like even more of a fool.
Lol, if I thought your point of view wasn't that of trash I might care about "looking a fool." But as it stands..
As it stands, you can’t read.
@PixelNight I see where you got your 99.96% figure from. It was the proportion of Americans who hadn't died of the virus at the end of June - you took the total number of people who died of covid-19 in the US and divided it by the total population, the vast majority of which haven't had the disease. Today, that would be 99.94%, but it hasn't got more deadly, just more people caught it.By that reckoning, the last time Ebola came to the US, the survival rate was 99.9999994%, rather than the more commonly accepted 50%. That's what's so wrong with that figure.New York is a population of Americans, a proportion of them caught it, 7% of those who tested positive for it it died. Even if all of them had caught it, the death rate was higher than your naive calculation.Given a three week delay between positive testing and dying, the death rate is between 3% and 4%. 3% of the population of the US is 10 million.
Nope. Not going on total population. Sorry bud
@PixelNight Oh, so, my first impression, that you'd pulled it out of your posterior, was correct.
That's all trump trolls do is say whatever they have to to feel like they've made a point, instead of learning about the topic to actually make a point. This is unavoidable for a fantasy-based ideology, as they hold to their opinions no matter what and are thus forced to shift facts about them to piece together some semblance of support for what they want to be true.
Strangely, what we're for is listening to experts.
@goaded lol. Which experts are those? The WHO who said there was no human-to-human transmission of covid-19? Or the experts that mark any death as a covid death? Or could it be the experts that convinced the entire world to lock down based on studying a whopping THREE flights from Wuhan? Or the experts that convinced thousands of fools to wipe down their groceries from the store?
If you don't understand the difference between saying there's no evidence of something and that something doesn't exist, I don't think this is going to be a fruitful conversation.
@goaded Where did I say that? It's amazingly easy for you to change the subject when you actually can't refute my statements. How about another one? We were supposed to 'flatten the curve' and slow the spread of the disease... Here we are 8 months into the outbreak and only.3% of the world has tested positive. How much slower do you expect?
When you said "The WHO who said there was no human-to-human transmission of covid-19". They didn't, they said there was no evidence of it (at the time).A lot of the world has flattened the curve, even the US looks like it might have done so (it seems to be holding steady at around 50,000 new cases and 1,000 deaths a day). Of course, what you really want is to make the curve go downwards, like Europe did, which is why the US has 10 times as many daily deaths per capita.I expect you think we should just go back to normal, now?ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer
@goaded so you're arguing semantics. I left some words out but you knew what I meant.We should have never shut down in the first place. Completely horrible policy based on shoddy forecasts.
Yes, I am arguing semantics. It's the difference between "I've never seen a car turn down that road", and "cars never turn down that road".Of course the shutdowns were necessary, don't you remember when the number of cases were doubling every three *days*? The current 10x difference in death rates between the US and Europe is down to not having a good strategy.
@goaded For a virus with a 99.6% survival rate, destroying economies, threatening millions with starvation, increasing suicide rates, increasing alcoholism, sexual and physical abuse on the rise, and government controlling industries and free people doesn't seem like a good policy.
And this is why we listen to experts, and look at facts. The case survival rate is much less than that. 99.6% would imply almost half of New York state caught it, rather than the 2.5% that did.The case death rate is about ten times higher than that. We would all be happy if it had turned out not to be much worse than flu, but it objectively is. (Flu infects about 50 million Americans a year, and kills 40,000; COVID-19 has infected 5 million and killed 180,000, so far.)
@goaded You can't look at case death rate. That's shitty use of statistics. To do so requires you to ignore the facts that there are 60% of cases that are asymptomatic (which is why you're cheering for masks and lockdowns, remember?) and 81% of those who are not asymptomatic have mild symptoms that they're unlikely to get tested for.
Well said! It's a rubbish statistic, which is why Trump used it. The COVID-19 statistic Trump is hanging his hat on. ↗So, what do you want to do, say everybody in the US has had it (99.945% - ooh, that where @PixelNight's number came from! I wonder why anyone worries about Ebola, since only two Americans died from it in the last pandemic...)? But then how can there be new cases?One in 330,000 Americans are dying every day at the moment. That's one in 10,000 a month.That site I linked to earlier? It does numbers of tests per day, as well. (Strangely, that's gone down 20% since July 23rd, in the US, since when the daily number of new cases have dropped, funny, that.) Currently, about 6.5% (one in fifteen) turn out positive, which shows that most people who get tested don't have it, not the other way around. Some might be willing to wait in line for hours without symptoms, but I doubt it's many.ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer
@goaded I didn't say everyone in the US has had it, nor have I implied that. Your countrymen are rightly so protesting against the authoritarian government overstepping its bounds. One would hope the Australians grow some balls.
I know you didn't, but the lower bound is 0.055% (99.945% survival), since more than that have already died. The upper bound, considering the total number of cases in the US is 6 million, is 3% (97% survival).That's from (an obviously ridiculous total) 180,000, to 10,000,000 Americans.In that range, what do you think is an acceptable compromise, for the sake of the economy?
@goaded We'll try one more time... CFR is junk math. You can not use it to base policy.
Duh, that's why I wrote the take saying so. It's still not as bad as dividing the number of dead by the entire population.
@goaded dead by entire population is much closer to reality than case rate. It's the only known set of numbers. Regardless. No, I don't think that the current IFR justifies destroying the world's economy and sending the population into despair. The negative effects go way beyond what we'll even understand. To say nothing of us now having a society where half the people distrust the other half. Having neighbors snitch on neighbors is something that North Korea does... not free people. This will permanently damage society in unseen ways.We had a pandemic in 68 with a similar IFR and did nothing to shut down.
Rubbish. Dead by entire population for Ebola in the US would be about 1/150million. Go lick an Ebola patient! Half the population are willing to believe lies, and that's not good."The United States health authorities estimated that about 34,000 to 100,000 people died in the U. S; most excess deaths were in those 65 and older."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_flu_pandemicYou're already at 180,000.
@goaded Which is a severe flu season. (discounting all the other deaths marked as covid deaths we really don't know the real number). Let me ask you... what is the end game? Victoria's government in Australia already announced they'll be locked down for another YEAR. How much of this bullshit are you willing to take?
Why on earth do you think I'm Australian? And, no, you're currently at twice the deaths of the pandemic 50 years ago. It is a big deal!And you're only at twice the deaths as back them *because* of the shutdowns.
@goaded I didn't say you were Australian. I'm giving an example of how an authoritarian government is going out of control right in front of our eyes and asking how you think that will work if others take the lead.We're at twice the deaths, but we're also in much worse shape as a society as far as health is concerned. There's also mounting evidence that the lockdowns Did NOT prevent deaths, contrary to what you're spoon fed by the media and government.Think about how bad it is that your government has to lie to you about the virus to get you to comply. If it was truly that deadly we wouldn't need to have to have a test to know we had it. We wouldn't lock down healthy people.
Show me somewhere that says "Victoria's government in Australia already announced they'll be locked down for another YEAR", because that sounds like bullshit. We'll probably have to be careful for that long, until we have a vaccine and it's been distributed.Then you can show me "mounting evidence that the lockdowns Did NOT prevent deaths", because a 10x difference in death rate sure sounds like it makes a difference if you take it seriously.A severe flu season is much less deadly than this disease. I already showed you that the 1968 pandemic killed half of the number who have died so far from COVID-19, in the US.
@goaded I misread the Victoria announcement, they extended the state of emergency 18 months. My bad.Lockdowns did not prevent deaths:www.thegatewaypundit.com/.../21stcenturywire.com/.../\And I explained to you that co-factors were the biggest predictor of death with Covid. The obesity rate in 1968 was about 15%, now it’s 40%.
They're both from April. That doesn't sound like "mounting evidence", to me.That first one was dealt with at the time: "The American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM) and the American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP) released a statement that said the two organizations “jointly and emphatically condemn the recent opinions released by Dr. Daniel Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi. These reckless and untested musings do not speak for medical society and are inconsistent with current science and epidemiology regarding COVID-19. As owners of local urgent care clinics, it appears these two individuals are releasing biased, non-peer reviewed data to advance their personal financial interests without regard for the public’s health.”The second is someone arguing for herd immunity, also known as letting millions of people die. He doesn't seem to be very vocal any more, perhaps as, with the benefit of hindsight, it's obvious that lockdowns do work. That's why the US has 10x as many deaths a day per capita as Europe. (And why New York has less than ten deaths per day.)Finally, what you also failed to notice is that the 1968 pandemic lasted 18 months. We're 9 months into this one, and it's killed twice as many already. Does it really matter if it's because more Americans are fat these days? They're still people.
@goaded It leads to more morbidity is the point. There's other articles that point to lockdowns being ineffective, but I'm not spending 3 hours looking up links that you're capable of doing. This is also interesting...threadreaderapp.com/.../1270925788389486593.htmlAnd thismobile.twitter.com/.../1294645063985836032
Didn't anyone teach you not to get your news from Twitter? Hell, the first one is a thread on Twitter warning you about propaganda on Twitter!You know about pickpockets' accomplices "warning" crowds about pickpockets so that people pat the pockets where the money is?The first one looks a lot like a normal conspiracy theory (it's an attack from China using twitter, absolutely nothing to do with western incompetence!!). Want to bet that it's just a couple of clicks away from another one that says that the Russian interference couldn't possibly have affected the 2016 election because it was "just a few tweets"?That second one, the same. "A virus that could kill nearly 1 out of every 100 people it infected, or so we were told. Come with me, and I'll show you where that belief came from."At the moment, it looks more like 3%, and remember, only one in 15 tests are positive, so it's probably not that much more widely spread than tests indicate.As to: "I'm not spending 3 hours looking up links that you're capable of doing."? I don't think they exist, so I'm not going to waste time looking for them. You're the one making the claim, you're the one who should bring the evidence.
@goaded Every time you say the mortality is 3% I know you like lying about the stats to make your point and you lose all credibility. If this virus was so deadly, people wouldn't have to lie about it. But you, governments, CDC, WHO, have all been busted lying
Just looking at the statistics. And when have I been "busted lying", conspiracy boy?https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer
@goaded using the CFR is manipulating the statistics to create a false narrative. A lie.
No, it's not, especially not if you explain how you got the numbers. Saying the WHO said something they didn't, on the other hand...OK. Facts: 180,000 dead. Nearly 6 million tested positive (that's where the 3% comes from). Total population, 330 million. Of the people tested this week, about 1 in 15 tested are positive for the virus (or the antibodies). About 50,000 new cases a day over the last month, 1,000 deaths a day.What's your interpretation of those facts?Those last ones would indicate a 98% survival rate, or 2% case mortality, assuming nobody's messing with the figures. (Reporting got taken over from the CDC, and testing has gone down 20% since the end of July.)
@goaded Are there are not people who get Covid-19 who are asymptomatic? If there are, then the number of people who test positive is NOT the same as the folks who have the virus with ZERO symptoms. They count as cases of Covid. There are also 81% of cases with few symptoms that aren't life-interrupting. There's not an incentive for them to get tested. EVen more folks who have the virus and count to the # who live after contracting the disease (I don't know why this is so hard for you to get)If there is no such thing as asymptomatic people, then you MUST open the economy up 100%, get rid of the stupid social distancing and ridiculous masks, because when people are sick, they self-quarantine.
Last thing first, "when people are sick, they self-quarantine", not if they rely on their job for health coverage, housing, or food. Which is why essentially paying people to stay home was in the interests of the country. That's now been allowed to stop by the Mitch McConnell. The House passed a bill three months ago that would probably pass in the Senate, if it were brought up for a vote.There are asymptomatic people (about 15%, according to a recent study in Germany*) and you're right that "the number of people who test positive is NOT the same as the folks who have the virus with ZERO symptoms", but that doesn't change the fact that most people in the US who get tested don't have the virus. You're also ignoring the people who have the virus, but aren't symptomatic yet, but can pass it on, albeit less effectively than obviously sick people.Remember how I said statistics aren't lies, especially if you explain where they come from? Where did your 81% statistic come from? It looks like the number of cases that don't need hospitalisation, but feel free to correct me."EVen more folks who have the virus and count to the # who live after contracting the disease (I don't know why this is so hard for you to get)"It's not hard to "get" (although you're not particularly clear, I assume you mean people who have had the virus) it's hard to quantify. Just making up, or ignoring, numbers doesn't get closer to the truth.* There's a study been done in Germany that shows that most people who tested positive for the virus had symptoms. (In German, sorry, but it says roughly "85,5% of the people tested and found to have antibodies or infection admitted they had symptoms such as fever, trouble breathing, colds or a cough since February".)www.tagesschau.de/.../...na-bad-feilnbach-101.html