Bottom line, Burke knew whereof he spoke. The chances of things in any system going wrong - whether due to incompetence, corruption, or just normal human imperfection and error - increase geometrically the more complicated the system and the more rapidly that system was put together in haste. Best then to leave well enough alone. Even then, given the temper of the times, normal procedures will be subject to intense scrutiny and heightened distrust. No need to make such distrust - an acid to an already frayed social and political cohesion - worse by adding further uncertainties through untested systems put together in haste.Americans have a bad - if noble - habit of thinking that any problem must have a solution and that progress is inevitable with just a bit of ingenuity and some hard work. If nothing else, the year 2020 should have put that myth to rest. The electoral system - with all it represents and has at stake - should not be made another example of the faulty nature of that optimistic outlook.
Your clear mind shines through as usual friend.
Thank you, I try.
I am an English fan of Tim Pool. I get all my U. S political news from him and his IRL show.
@TemptedTerry He is definitly one of if not my primary go to for information. I don't always agree with his views or his conclusions but I absolutely can trust that he is going to state the facts as they are not as he wants them to be and that is what I appreciate about him. Most other commentators don't do their research or are intentionally obscuring things, he on the other hand I absolutely trust to provide the information correctly. Stephen Crowder is another one I would go to as he sites his sources (though he definitley has a right leaning bias, though he also fully owns it so I can respect that even though their are things I disagree with him with as well). But yeah its hard to find trustworthy sources these days and he is a rare one.
Too bad none of that is true.What color is the sky in your world?
@RACSKC0B All of it is true, just because you don't like it doesn't mean reality will alter itself to suit your agenda and mindset. I'm sorry that your so oblivious to reality that you cannot think for yourself and do your own research.www.realclearpolitics.com/.../...tions_143033.htmlnypost.com/.../www.dailysignal.com/.../www.rt.com/.../www.dailysignal.com/.../www.heritage.org/.../the-risks-mail-votingpjmedia.com/.../this-doesnt-bode-well-for-vote-by-mail-many-oregon-voters-received-the-wrong-primary-ballot-n417576www.thegatewaypundit.com/.../www.realclearpolitics.com/.../...ction_143551.htmlwww.stanforddaily.com/.../
You're funny "... your [me] so oblivious to reality that you cannot think for yourself...", but you started your post with "@TemptedTerry he is definitely one of if not my primary go to for information..." way to do the research for yourself. Hahaha
You know what I have a few minutes to kill let's consider it fully. So you believe that people are going to research dead people's personal information, to get their ss number, DOB, address they lived when they died, to request an absentee ballot that they then have to have sent either to their own address or some other address (ideally not associated with them I would imagine) but that they can collect the mail from without an issue, so they can fill out the ballot and mail it back in while hoping that the death record hasn't already been submitted to whomever it is that checks it against the people that voted. Risking potentially going to prison, so they can get the candidate they like, one more vote. Even though, none of the votes we're talking about even matter in the presidential election.That's what you're saying? Risking prison, to cast a vote that even if you cast 175,000,000 votes in this way, still would not affect the outcome of the presidential election. That's what you believe?That's what all your research told you is fact?
@RACSKC0B Never said that. I stated that voter fraud happens, I proceeded to give you ten different links showing that it has occured, most of which where recent events, one of which was a list of times it happened. In several counties more people voted then live in the county. So again, you haven't done your research and their isn't an argument, voter fraud is real (why wouldn't it be? Who the hell thinks that voter fraud is the one kind of fraud that doesn't exist when some one has the most to gain from doing it? Its an insane assumption, one that doesn't mesh with reality)), its happened many times, its happened now recently, and removing any safe guards against it is moronic. Again, this isn't a debate, this is a statement of observable and measurable fact. Arguing against it is like arguing against gravity, you can say what ever you want but its still exists and pretending otherwise is going to be detrimental.
@RACSKC0B Also your kind of stupid if you think that the number of fraudulent votes that are numbered over a third of the nations total population (and not the voting age population which is even less) would have an impact. Especially when you consider that in many cases people win by only a few thousand votes (In the case of some, even less then that).
How fun, you've taken a reasonable discussion between adults, and resorted to name calling like a 10 yearold.OK, Mr. Poopie-pants, I'll play you're game.Fact: I never said that voter fraud wasn't something that happened.Fact: I didn't say that you had said those things, I asked if that's what your "research" had made you believe.Fact: The question at hand isn't "Does voter fraud really happen at all?"The question seems to be does it happen with the frequency that the president would have you believe.Fact: Voting by mail is not something we should think about doing, it's something that we've had since the Civil War.Fact: 1 in 4 ballots in the last two federal elections were mail in ballots.Fact: Yes, voter fraud is real, but in fact is extremely rare. In 2016, the state of Oregon had more then 2 million votes cast by mail in ballots, of them there were just 54 cases of suspected voter fraud. That's a whole 0.002% of occurrence. Fact: The subject of voter fraud, as it pertains to the presidential election, is pointless. It doesn't matter how many of the votes we're talking about any candidate gets. If no one at all cast a single vote for president, there would still be a president elected. If every single ballot cast were for you, it doesn't mean you're the next president.Fact: The presidential election is not decided by popular vote, it is decided by the electoral college. Fact: There are no rules, or guidelines, that dictate how members of the electoral college will cast their votes.You want links to things related to this subject supporting my point of view (namely that the president is over exaggerating the whole matter), well OK here:www.factcheck.org/.../www.google.com/.../...n-vote-fraud-ballot.amp.htmlFact: You should invest in a glass bellybutton, that way you can see what you're doing with your head in your ass.:D
@RACSKC0B I didn't name call, I stated a fact, you would have to be some one with a very low IQ to think that a third of the population double voting wouldn't have an impact. Also I have presented all the data, every bit of it and you have presented nothing. I'm sorry that you cannot understand how data works, I am sorry you cannot understand how to think outside of the tiny box you have been provided. That stated, everything I stated is provably true and everything you have stated is provably false, you being in denial and throwing temper tantrums about it will not alter this fact.
en.m.wikipedia.org/.../Postal_voting_in_the_United_Stateswww.google.com/.../how-mail-in-voting-began-on-civil-war-battlefieldsWhat does Tim Pool have to say about that, parrot?
Let's go back for a moment to your original reply.You said "... they did a test run of it..." of what exactly?Mail in voting?No, because mail in voting has been around since the Civil War, that's not up for debate. So what did "they" do a test of exactly? You go on to state "... they saw about 5 different occurrences of voter fraud, the majority from Democrats..."What was the total number of "test" ballots that were cast?Why do you say "... about 5...", was it 5, or was it 4, or was it 6?"... the majority from Democrats...", so about 3, is that what you mean?Because that still means that 2 fraudulent ballots were cast by Republicans, in the test run.Lastly, who would cast a fraudulent ballot in a test run?Seriously.
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LQTM Thank you. The worst is when someone I've known for years tells me they support Trump, I can't help but think "Oh, I thought you were smart, but it turns out you're an idiot. Great, now I have to remember how to unfriend you in real life."
once again you show how dumb and gullible you are. he did not say to vote twiceWHAT HE DID SAY was that if you call your polling place by the day of election and they haven't processed your mail in vote... THEN go vote in person. only one would be counted, its not voting twicedon't you get tired of being gullible?
"Let them send it in and let them go vote,” Trump said in an interview with WECT-TV in Wilmington, North Carolina, on Wednesday when asked about the security of mail-in votes. “And if the system is as good as they say it is then obviously they won’t be able to vote” in person."That is what he said. He said nothing about calling any polling place. Do you guys get tired of lying for this man? It is illegal to vote twice in an election. In most states it is a felony. If you mail in your vote, then attempt to try to vote in person, you will be arrested in every state I know of. But try it trumper. Then you can post GaG from a jail cell. I hope every freak trump supporter tries it. You will then get a chance to see how the law get applied one way to trump, then another way to your "gullible" asses. www.usatoday.com/.../
that's an out of context quote. as usual from youi already explained to you the real context
@007kingifrit Get out of here with such silliness. It isn't out of context. You are not an idiot. You just pretend to be one for Trump. Well, maybe I am giving you too much credit. I am not certain.But almost anyone can check their registration, then apply to vote by mail. Some states have a way to track your ballot. But go right ahead and try to vote twice. And tell your trump friends and family. Don't tell us non-trumpers. We don't need that info.
@Thatsamazing Rebuttal contains no facts or counter arguments. Invalid.
It's not a rebuttal, honey. Have you made your appointment yet?
its not hard to cheat if everyone is sending votes by mail. a governor being republican does not imply the on the ground polling places (where fraud actually occurs) wouldn't be run by democrats
@007kingifrit: There will be several officials from both parties checking out if fraud is being made against. All elections have party representatives to ensure the honesty of the elections. Only fools believe fraud will occur.
that's not evidence that there are not going to be problems and you can't risk public trust in elections like this. mail in voting is too big a risk
If only I was as clever as you
"In the week before Christmas, for example, the USPS processes and delivers 2.5 billion pieces of first-class mail, or about 500 million cards and letters a day, not to mention packages."theweek.com/.../usps-handles-500-million-letters-day-christmas-mailin-ballots-should-easyThe only reason they might not be able to cope is sabotage by Trump's Postmaster General."DeJoy's rapid moves to eliminate overtime, "even though as many as 40,000 postal workers have been quarantined or out sick because of the coronavirus," and leave mail behind if it isn't on the truck on schedule, violating the Postal Service ethos and gumming up the works. The USPS has also said it won't treat all ballots as first-class mail, as it normally does."
I've never stated my opinion on the matter by the way. I just want to let you know.
i'm gana stop you right at your first line. absentee ballots are not the same thing as mail in votingand mail in voting is the easiest kind of fraud we can have
@007kingifrit 1. I don't believe I ever made a claim they were the same thing? I merely added Absentee Voting because my family usually went that route, and they were also subject to some controversy/conspiracy within my own state.and 2. According to groups like the Heritage Foundation.. Voter Fraud is extremely rarewithin their own studies, they found only over 1,200 cases of proven Voter Fraud through all levels of elections.considering that is out of 100s of millions of voters per yearPerhaps we could concentrate on issues that actually matter?
*100s of millions of votessorry, not sure why I said per year
Mail in voting is not absentee ballots. You request an absentee ballot to your current address and have to confirm your identity with several identifiers. With mail in voting they just blanket mail out ballots to anyone on the roster. Thus ballots for dead people arrive at people’s houses. People gets ballots address to previous tenets of rentals and previous owners of homes who have not updated their voter registration address, etc. Thus you disenfranchise tons of people and create an opportunity for people to commit voter fraud by giving them other people’s ballots.
Sry for the hater-aid, I'm still salty about the last Specialist who fucked me and ran, despite my willingness to deal with her kid. Never fuck an MP, they fuck you harder.
Wait... Were you talking smack about me? I didn't read your comment, I just liked it. I've never read Breitbart and I scored an 89 on the AFQT portion of the ASVAB.I'm just asking a question; I never stated my opinion on the matter.
I was talking general smack. Not General, those guys are douches. I tried to take the ASVAB to figure out what to do with my life, but in the end 18 x-ray was not for my skinny-ass
Special Forces candidate? I didn't know there was a weight requirement. Or did you try out and not make it? What event or obstacle screwed you over?
None of the above. Recruiter told me that there were no spots open but I'd get a big signing bonus if I went AG bc a 99, the ability to touch-type, and knowing grammar were in high demand. She told me that the only alternative was 88M. Hooray for recruiter quotas, I'd have rather one and done an 11 BamBam tour
$8k later I had a new motorcycle and a lot of new guns but was a 42L, which ceased to exist, so then I was a 42A, made SGT, switched to 68W and lost the chevrons but kept the pay, then went to the dark side and commissioned as a 70B thinking I'd become a MEDEVAC pilot but instead became a 70D because it "transferred to civilian life more easily" and would get me a job. 10 years in, 4 years out, I miss it but I don't miss it. Stockholm Syndrome. Quit when it stops being fun.
tl:dr the Army is fun until it isn't
lol you posted 2 super far left unfair sourceshere is a much more balanced source https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64mx23nXGZI&t=585s
@007kingifrit The first video is from a lawyer, not a political pundit. Both are thoroughly fact checked. The one you posted is from some douche.
no its significantly easier because mail in voting just sends ballots to each house. there is no evidence of who filled it out
@007kingifrit It can still only be counted once and it's illegal to open someone else's mail. It is a criminal offense to forge a name on a mail ballot, impersonate someone else, steal ballots, or deceive someone about their mail ballot. If you suspect this has happened there are channels to go through in order to rectify it.
"its illegal to open somene else's mail" YUP THAT WILL STOP IT LOLOLyou don't get it, universal mail in voting just sends a ballot to each house... it isn't even addressed to a personit doesn't matter if its illegal because THERE WOULD BE NO WAY TO CATCH THEM
@007kingifrit there is if a mail in ballot seems weird like its been tampered with its counted as an invalid vote and if there is thought of fraud the residence it got send to can be searched by police to check if there is some political bias or other mail in ballots and such
@WolfyGirl2077 if it "seems weird"? or "is tampered with"? that's pretty vague, you're making shit up. mail in voter fraud is easy. there is no way to stop ityou have NO IDEA who is and isn't sending in the ballot
@007kingifrit you also have no idea that someone isn't just recording your vote for the other side when it gets counted though. Both voting methods can be just as easily defrauded. They are supposed to have witnesses for counting but even that is based on trust. They can easily just collude. Which has happened before. The mail in ballots are also addressed to individuals, not just to the household. In 2016 1 in 4 people voted by mail.
you are using the imperfect solution fallacy "oh the bad thing could happen anyways so let's ignore it and not pay attention to the fact my method is way more likely to have the bad thing happen" is what you are sayingmail in voting accounts for the great majority of all voter fraud, some 75%
@007kingifrit mail voting isn't my method. I've voted absentee once and that was online and I had to identify myself with voice and facial recognition and I had to have two devices in order to confirm it. I felt like even though that was online, it was way more secure that sending a form nobody could know whether it was me who filled it in or not. I'm not using the perfect solution fallacy. Both methods really can end up with a vote for a party you didn't intend.If I was voting in the U. S election I would probably do it by mail and I would be sure nobody did it for me. The only good thing about going to vote in person is when they're selling food at the place which they probably won't be doing because of social distancing concerns.
ok i do absentee ballots also, they are indeed not the same as mail in voting though. i'm fine with absentee ballots but universal mail in is not ok
there is no reason to allow mail in ballots at all, its totally untrustworthy and there is no need for it
Someone's gotta keep count right?
I don't know where you heard that from, but it isn't true.
@RACSKC0B When I say "dead people will vote," I'm using sarcasm. Much like how people who should be dead still receive social security; they are dead. The household simply takes and digitally deposits the check. All they need to do is not check the little box that states if the recipient is dead.
Fair enough, but can you see how it isn't really all that easy a task to pull off in mass, and the risk (potentially prison time) outweighs the reward (1 vote)?Especially when the votes we're talking about don't affect the presidential election anyway.
Basically what he said is if the Democrats say there will be no fraud from mail in voting, then mail in your vote as soon as possible and then show up on polling day to vote. If your mail in vote has already been counted, then the polling station should have it on record and you will not be allowed to vote in person. Otherwise you will be able to vote in person and they will dismiss your mailed in vote. He’s basically forcing the media to acknowledge there will be problems with mail in voting since they have been running a campaign to deny there will be problems for so long and are now pushing a concept of a red mirage… It forces the media to spin on a dime and focus on the fact that mail in voting will create fraudulent votes and we should not do it that way.
dum da dum dum Dummy
@jonnyb583 Yeah, that’s pretty much the level of intelligence I expected from a Trump supporter on GaG.I’m sure it took you all day to come up with that witty retort. Well done little buddy. Trump appreciates you being out here defending his stupidity. Note: He actually doesn’t really care, but Putin love you.💝💕👍😘
You know what's funny, how brilliantly misinformed you are.. But you are the intelligent one who has embraced the Russian Collision that has been proven hoax, a set up by the retarded liberals in which you associate with and your hero Hillary Clinton. Now I can tell your response took no time at all, as it lacks anything with substance but full of virtual signaling. I love the fact that after Trump elected will continue to get your little panties in a bunch. enjoy the next 4 years Toots!!
@jonnyb583 If believing that gives you the warm fuzzies inside, go with it little buddy. 👍
I like how you resort to becoming a pig, calling her "Toots", how very Harvey Weinstein of you.
@RACSKC0B I liked it too thats why i said it. DUMMYShe took it better than you pal, sounds like you got your panties in a bunch toots. she didn't need your support you anti-feminist haha
I wasn't supporting, at best I suppose you could have said i was trying to come to her defense. That would have been wrong too, because she clearly didn't need anyone's help to tell you off, and my reply was intended to provide you with some information you had not picked up on apparently. Specifically, that just because we're here, and mostly no one knows whom anyone is, it doesn't make it OK to be a misogynisticoo scumbag to women because of your insecurities.But if I had been trying to support her, I still don't know how you figure that then makes me an anti feminist.But we all get it dude, "... panties in a bunch...",, that you've said it as much as you have speaks volumes. We're not going to judge you, If that's what you're into, go for it. Wear them when you're home alone, out in public, or whatever it is that does it for you.
what? like 75% of all election fraud since 2012 has been mail in voting related. its the most common and easiest kind of fraud
Again where is your evidence. Where are the reports that supports this claim. I'd like to see data from an official source
here is a video with sources https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64mx23nXGZI&t=868s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64mx23nXGZI&t=585sits not going to go well
He said to try and vote in person to verify your absentee vote was counted. Never did he advocate to actually vote twice.. that’s illegal.
@DavidFox Since mail-in ballots aren't necessarily counted before the polls open there may be no way of tracking that.
There is. States are set up to accept provisional ballots. Also what prevents someone from registering at two different polling places on Election Day and voting? The whole idea that states don’t have checks and balances is false.
@DavidFox Those last two sentences contradict each other.
Well then explain why if it’s so easy to vote twice then why don’t more people do it?
true I've seen a story with kids who haven't recived their medication for a long time