We're talking about socialistic systems, capitalistic countries still have socialistic systems. Actually (I think) us healthcare is more socialistic because us guarantees a fixed price system and that's socialistic, it's basically medicare for all. And that's what I meant when I said if you're not paying you lose accountability. https://youtu.be/iYCSsaaRM94 the point is there is more accountability, and accountability seems valuable when there's no such thing as free anything.
Few countries are still capitalist, if you look in Europe for example most of them are hybrid economies with very strong socialist leanings such as the Scandinavian economic model. Also the Obamacare system is not socialist but actually capitalist. It forces people to buy private insurance, not providing a public option which would be more in leaning with socialism.As for why not free food? I mean free food is already provided in many places because of just this question. But to address his dumb argument directly, the government is still negotiating with private businesses or allowing competition to provide competitive services and goods.This is why socialist system works, the government has a lot of power on the negotiation table. When you are speaking for literal millions of potential customers you can in turn ask for a lot of concessions and the competition for these contracts are fierce.I can also talk about publicly owned corporations by providing an example. Electricity and telecommunications used to be publicly owned in my country. That means that the services they provided was far and beyond more reliable and widely distributed than anything publicly available. Once they became publicly traded AKA capitalistic the standards were lowered, prices went up and reliability dropped. They could not justify having such high standards if they wanted to make money.
I'm not very familiar with this and it'd be deceptive to present as if I do but I guess the fundamental argument is moral. Socialism is what happens when someone tries to generalise the needs of everyone and optimises the system for it but what if I don't want to do what you want me to do, I should have the freedom to do what I want. Secondly, a somewhat false seeming perception people seem to have is that "progress" devlopment and growth is about resource allocation but maybe it's more about incentives and free market systems, unless the people heading the system are unbelievably wise it'd be somewhat odd to think they could build and decide upon building and working out which ideas are gonna work or not, in a free market system you don't have to do that, successful ideas work by definition. It's sort of like funding nasa, people sometimes seem to question why would we want to fund an agency that doesn't seem to have direct effects but the things built and discovered by nasa are indirectly pretty/decently helpful to humanity as a whole. Additionally it's about decentralisation, in a socialistic system power seems centralised so there's more risk. I'd recommend watching this video, or at least the start of it https://youtu.be/uX9SJSxO5WE
Fundamentally speaking socialism is not about forcing things on you but opening up as much freedom as possible for you to choose from. A good example is free education. You are not forced to become a doctor or whatever but at any point you have the freedom to turn your life around and attempt to become whatever you desire. On the contrary I would argue that a capitalist system is inherently limiting, especially if we use America as an example.For example your education is limited to what you can afford with quality education being limited to the "elites". Likewise you are forced into the labor markets to work crappy jobs without much future to have a functional life and even then something like healthcare is hit and miss. Attempting to break from the norm and innovate leaves you at an inherent disadvantage that you have to overcome while hoping that you will not encounter any bad luck of no fault of your own such as a disease that could bankrupt you at any moment.
To point out why socialism has an inherent advantage over capitalism in innovation ill borrow a quote from the video. "Weirdly you can succeed without knowing why". In a capitalistic society not everyone has a fair chance at success, its a privilege you either have to obtain be it through luck or effort or have it given to you by someone else who has succeeded before you. This is why people talk about silver spoons or Trumps "small loan of 1 million dollars" from his dad. These people with these opportunities have every chance to succeed in a capitalistic society where as someone stuck in a dead-end job with a dysfunctional family situation does not have much future prospects at all even though they might be the person to cure cancer if given a chance. In a socialist system that person could get any number of helping hands to become something greater than a burger flipper and that is the greatest and I would argue most important difference in regards to the freedoms between a capitalistic and socialistic society.
I guess it's a freedom for whom problem. Money is resources and resources are not infinite, where that will freedom come from? It's sort of akin to the trolley problem/dilemma, would you let people continue on thier fate and let them be what they want to be or change them and try to equalise or "better" things (which I still doubt socialism does). And just to argue you people can be what they want point, people can be what they want in a capitalistic system too and rags to riches is not unheard of (in fact the richest couple of people didn't really come from a whole lot of money), plus you don't need always 'need' a degree, people have access to internet and you can learn things, it might take longer or even be more than efficient. Today it's pretty hard to argue someone can't get where they want if they really want to, humans are good at figuring out ways to get to things if they want them hard enough and with internet it seems all that bit easierWhy should other people have to subsidize what you want to be?
Other way around. Socialism always turns into authoriatianism, because most people will play along otherwise
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