For some reason this app adds a bunch of weird text at the end if I copy and paste from my note app.
Also, the 98.44444444... was a bad example.The example number should be something like 98.63847627493627495736 and every race having to have exactly that number, and that is just very unlikely.
Lot of detail there, thank you. I'm not convinced that the averages are actual averages, just the averages from whatever subset they had available. Nor am I convinced that they account for the many variables that can affect how one performs on an IQ test. IQ tests are supposed to account for differences in background, experience, education, upbringing etc... But I don't believe they do a good job at it.
I agree. To be clear, my examples were hypothetical, and in this hypothetical example, the testing would be perfect. Of which likely isn't applicable to our methods of today.
Well I mostly agree, lol.
Ah understood. That makes sense.
Then how can you determine peoples socially constructed race via their DNA?
Haha. Most answers here have been fairly reasonable. I'm surprised, was expecting a few people to come in with racist theories.
Probably cause theyre finally fed up with feeding into the race wars and political party debates on GAG. Its quite annoying
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Yes. I would say it's upbringing and it also depends on what one determines intelligence to be. The "smartest" kids when I went to school aren't necessarily the one's who ended up excelling post school. It's certainly easy enough to spend a lot of time studying and rote learning and using that to excel in a school test, but outside of that when the path isn't so clear, it's not always so easy.
Reasoning and memory are different, but if you have the former you can make do with less of the latter.
I’m a Chinese American in my personal experience Ashkenazi Jews are quite smart smarter than me I feel like but also meaner than me although I’m pretty mean too sometimes so maybe I’m just biased. Average Chinese person from rural China is very stupid. Maybe just slightly better than India or south Vietnam but that’s about it I feel like...
@Tea-Spaghetti I should've considered that. I was thinking Asians living in the USA and Japanese people.
But I feel like the intrinsic intelligence of Chinese people is high just historical circumstance sends the country into disarray. Same with Indian and Vietnamese people. Intrinsically intelligent. Jews however I feel like are just too smart they really know how to control everything from the core their intelligence outstrips what I’m used to as an Asian American. Well anyways that’s just my subjective experience. African Americans have a similar intelligence to us Asians actually they know how to have a good tile and eat well. White Americans are very rigid minded I feel like and as a result their countries are either extremely developed or extremely fucked in my opinion. African and Asian countries have a little more balance I sometimes think but anyway.
Japanese people aren’t that smarter than Chinese or Korean people they’re just more isolated. Same with Swiss, Norwegians, Americans, all those “advanced” countries. Intrinsic intelligence of most people are the same.
@Tea-Spaghetti Dude, not the right use of "isolated", but I get the point. The deal is Japan is a small country with lots of education in the cities and very little rural population.The anti-semetic stuff is not to my taste. Also name one decent African country.
I can't name a decent African country but I can name some smart African people like George Washington Carver, Frederick Douglas, Neil Degrass Tyson, Malcom X, Martin Luther King Jr., and Richard Ayoude...
@Tea-Spaghetti I think when talking about Jews it's important to note that not all Jews are the same. Semitic Jews are for all intensive purposes middle eastern. The Jews that you're probably alluding to are Ashkenazi Jews who are ethnically European, hence are considered white.
yeah I just mean Ashkenazim but I think they're all pretty smart regardless. Some are nice and cool so I don't mean to disparage unfairly i just mean that some of them are very successful and smart in ways I was not used to. But I guess I'm pretty lazy too so it could be just me personally a failure lol. Anyway long story short I think their are smart people in every race but social/political circumstance may channel that intelligence into something useful or not...
@Tea-Spaghetti I think the big thing here is the community and the upbringing. I'll describe where I live as an example. Where I live these are the suburb classes..Class A: Top level suburbs. Most wealthy. Mostly comprised of wealthy whites/Jews. Many of them hold influential positions. They support each other. It's hard for outsiders to break into this demographic. Average house price: $2-5 millionClass B: Mostly comprised of Chinese. Investors, surgeons, entrepreneurs etc. Most of them are very astute but haven't yet developed the networks and power structures required to get into the western elite. Average house price $1-2 million.Class C: Middle Class: These places are fairly mixed. Some whites, Chinese, more successful Vietnamese, South East Asians, Indians etc. Average house price $500k-1 million.Class D: Mostly comprised of Arabs, Viets, Cambodians, Africans and refugees from various places.Average house price: $100-500k. Highest rate of street crime. A lot of people in public housing.I don't mean to generalize and I don't agree with classes. But that's just the way it is in my area when I go through the suburbs. There could be some very intelligent kids in the poorer suburbs, but they have to go to bad quality schools, are surrounded by street crime and they aren't in an environment where they can develop and make the necessary connections for success as well as the kids in the richer areas. It just so happens that certain groups are more affluent than others on average and people link that to intelligence, which isn't always the case.
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haha I think you make a lot of valid points. Of course an empirical study would be the best authority though since as reasonable as your rendition sounds it's still kind of just an anecdote. Not a serious study on the matter. But yeah any ideology based on race is just not productive from the get go I agree it just kind of stops your thinking right there... Of course me living in Seattle I personally do feel like it is segregated here. With a few very smart elite people like Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Paul Allen, and then a secondary class of tech Brahmins, almost completely white, and then tech workers like myself and Indian people. That's why I personally don't like Seattle because to me it's very clear segregated city favoring an elite of white nerds that's difficult to break through. Even though I've lived here all my life and tried getting into these top institutes here all my life like the Fred Hutch, Seattle Children's, Allen Institute... I don't think it's just based on race but it seems to be based on privileged starting point in some nebulous way all the same...
Well it all depends. There's plenty of Asians about the party life too. I don't believe it's fair to say that American culture is necessarily lazy as America has been a world leader in many fields, so at least some are working hard.
Absolutely I was more speaking in general and in general I feel us Americans especially the millennials are in fact very lazy! I was brought up in a time were people got jobs and those people honestly cared about the company and the company rewarded your hard work and loyalty with recognition and raises with bonuses. I once worked for a family owned company. They truly showed their appreciation in many ways like you went home at Easter with a ham, 4th hamburgers, Thanksgiving a turkey and xmass was a roast. Not to mention a xmass bonus check. They knew your name your family and truly cared! Us employees cared back and worked hard knowing it was appreciated. When times got hard we all took turns taking "unpaid leave" We told them we wanted to save our vacation pay. It was a month later they realized what we were doing to help them. When times got better they remembered and bonuses that xmass were extra special!
What is your thinking behind that?
They developed the best society with technologies and education. White men created electricity, planes, computers etc. Facts are the facts.
You could argue that Asians have more raw intelligence and white people have more creative intelligence. I think it's been proven that Asians are the most intelligence. But while many people aren't too quick to acknowledge it, many (if not most) inventions, especially revolutionary ones, came from white cultures. That being said, there's still a LOT of great, including revolutionary, inventions that came from non-white cultures as well. I'm not trying to discredit them at all.
I don't believe it is proven that Asians are the most intelligent and whilst whites might have been the most advanced in technology and education in recent times, I think that's just because white empires have been the most successful in recent years. If we look at Britain for example, they might have had some great thinkers in the last few hundred years. But go back further and you'll find they were tribal barbarians whilst other civilisations (Egyptians, Romans, Greeks etc) were more advanced.Also we can say that many of the great mathematicians have been white, but math is based on Arabic numerals developed in India and the middle east. Had other cultures intermixed and picked up things from all across the world like Caucasians did, maybe they could have excelled in a similar way.We are now seeing Asia rise up and become the next great empire. Western civilisations have relied on Asia for cheap labor, thus bringing skills and technology into Asia that has allowed Asia to build upon it and develop it to the degree that they are now beginning to surpass western technology.
Culture certainly has a tremendous impact, for sure. There's an argument to be made that a better optimized culture could be the effect of intelligence, rather than the cause, but I mean we'd just be getting into speculation that is difficult to prove.
Even for individuals it's not always so clear.
That's untrue, you just use averages for 2 or more people. You can theoretically measure the average intelligence of each race.
Of course it's about belief. There is no conclusive research. I can find research that suggests singing to plants helps them grow, doesn't mean it's true.
Not entirely, but you have the right idea. Whites in large cities can get wonderful educations but I'm sure you'll notice that special brand of latte liberal stupidity. At least trailer park folk have an excuse.
Any reason in particular we're bringing up politics?
It's a special brand of stupid, that's all. I'm not super conservative myself, more classical liberal. They hold the political views they see as trendy rather than thinking them out, the same way people pick the views that make them "different" from the city-folk purely for that reason where I grew up.I mentioned trailer folk to clarify that I wasn't picking on one side, but that seems to have backfired.
I'm just saying this wasn't a political question and isn't related to politics in any way. Political views aren't relevant.
You're too brilliant for words. The point was about access to education. My point is that access and utilization are different. If one detail derails you this badly I shudder to think of those who tried allegorical explanations or parables.