Left of America doesn't constitute far left.
@IlluminatiExposed0 It did at one point. Just because far left has taken over everything doesn't mean that this alters were the center line is, they are still far left. If you are pushing socialism, your far left, it doesn't matter whether or not you want to call it that it is what it is.
Republicans call anything that helps everybody socialism.
@goaded Nope. They call socialism socialism. Socialism doesn't help every body, anyone who believes that doesn't know history, economics, capitalism or socialism. The only system that has provably dragged people out of poverty has been capitalism and that is an absolute fact. If you want socialism you can go to somalia, or india, or china, or russia, or the ukraine, or Moldova, or cuba, or Venezeula, or north korea, or vietnam, or Laos, don't bring that shit here and ruin our country because your to stupid to do any research (you have options). I mean don't get me wrong, none of these nations are truly socailistic as the only way they can survive is by adopting capitalistic principles, but they are as close as your going to get.
@goaded Also all the things listed as socialist are in fact socialist and have provably harmed (or done nothing) our society. So not a good example.
Republicans have been calling all those things socialism since 1932, but people like them. You know, "We the people"? They're things they want."Conservatives have attempted to tack “socialism” on policies that today enjoy majority support, such as universal health coverage (supported by 70.1% of respondents in a recent Reuters/Ipsos poll) or free college tuition (supported by 60%)."www.latimes.com/.../...cialism-20190213-story.html
@goaded Well first, polls are always wrong, if you go and poll only leftists (which is the majority of polls), your only getting leftist responses. Second, in that poll they also stated they didn't want to abolish private insurance nor did they want to pay more in taxes which completely hamstrings the argument (universal healthcare is a pretty idea but the price is too much and americans don't want to pay it. Thats like asking me if I want a million dollars, sure but I don't want to do the things that will get me it (like working 100 hour work weeks every week for the rest of my life). So its a moot point.Third another survey finds only 37% of people are on board with universal healthcare so again, you can't trust a poll. Fourth it doesn't matter what they want, what matters is peoples rights which socialized medicine violates, and what is effective (socialized medicine is inefficient and expensive and results in more people dying then non socialized medcine (provably). So as per usual your an idiot who is too stupid to know your an idiot. I'm sorry your healthcare system is so shit that you would force every one else in the world to go along with it just so you can justify your shitty choices, but we don't want it and even if many did (and none of them actually know what universal healthcare is who do want it (thats why they can believe they want it, they don't understand how it works), it would still be illegal as it violates the rights of the individual.
We established years ago that you don't understand how polls work. Has it occurred to you that picking people at random and find mostly leftists might mean the right is not as popular as you think?"Third another survey finds only 37% of people are on board with universal healthcare so again" Which one?"Fourth it doesn't matter what they want, what matters is peoples rights which socialized medicine violates, and what is effective (socialized medicine is inefficient and expensive and results in more people dying then non socialized medcine (provably)."How does it violate anybody's rights? You don't have to earn enough money to pay into it, and you don't have to go to the hospital. Also, "socialised medicine" is cheaper and saves more lives, provably. Or are you going to go the route of comparing the US to Zimbabwe?As always, I do so enjoy the first sentence of your last paragraph.
Meh, I think if you look at those countries, it’s generally speaking countries whose dominant political parties also simply lean towards liberal in the USA. It’s sort of to be expected they are gonna prefer Biden if they read that e. g. Trump wants to do some stuff that completely is contrary to what they prefer in Spain.
That is also true. There is a lot of resentment for the anglosphere on continental Europe.
Thanks for MHO!
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Capitalism while it has booms and busts, always self rights without external inputs. The only way to brake the equilibrium is outside influence. Capitalism has to be forced to fail in order to fail... So a huge crisis comes along (the covid pandemic) and the left forces absolute “lock downs” that destroy the economy, not mitigation strategies like the right. In those same left thinking areas you see people claiming to be “trained Marxists” leading Black Lives Matter to destroy the structure of a capitalistic market via looting and burning down business along side “anarcho-communist” that lead ANTIFA and a mix of others. There is the force… Police try to lock them up, but District Attorneys in left leaning areas refuse to prosecute. If you look beneath the surface, you notice said DAs had their campaigns funded by George Soros, a World Economic Forum “agenda author”… So the force continues with for 151 days so far. An agenda is in play, so regardless of the fact that your Democrat candidate is mentally incompetent and corrupt on all levels the media keeps pushing their propaganda campaign to get him in office. His number two Harris happens to be the daughter of a post-keynesian economist at Stanford University. Marxists and Post-Keynesians have a lot in common and see capitalism as a crisis that they want to put an end to. Meanwhile Pelosi begins reviewing the rules of the 25th amendment for the removal of a president from office and states it’s not for Trump. So you do the math… They want a post-keynesian to be the leader of the free world come January… Mean while they will continue to attempt to destroy capitalism...
This is incorrect and is a prime example of Trump taking credit for something that prior Presidents have done. Obama during his 2nd term also insisted that European nations start paying their share to defense, which some of them obliged or started working towards.An even after that many European countries will still prefer Obama over Trump.www.nbcnews.com/.../obama-calls-europeans-boost-military-spending-n63881
You might like to consider that you might be living in a "bubble". Just look at the figures, above, and it's obvious that even most conservatives would dump Trump.
@goaded That's why I'm wondering where the stats came from as most conservatives would not truthfully tell pollsters how they would vote, I have friends in the US who totally ignore any polls from Main Stream Media as they all appear to be in lock step showing Biden/Harris leading the polls.
Again, bubble. Consider the possibility that the MSM would also "appear to be in lock step", if they were all telling the truth, wouldn't they?
How is it warranted? He improved our economy, one of the best in decades, improved employment rates, historically improved black and hispanic employment, reduced taxes on the middle class and poor as well as corporations which resulted in an increase in average wages, siginficantly so for blue collar workers, has protected our rights, increased funding to historically black colleges, and has protected state rights, as well as keeping us out of wars. What part of that is a bad thing?
The parts that are lies.Which are all of them.
Well you can claim they are lies but they are not. I mean if you could prove that you would but you didn't because again, you know that is all facts. I'd link you the data but quite frankly we both know you would ignore it anyway. But what the hell, I'll post a couple just to hammer home my point:apnews.com/.../c4834e48841d97c5a93312b1bf75302awww.taxpolicycenter.org/.../fullwww.taxpolicycenter.org/.../fullwww.cnbc.com/.../...rm-payrolls-december-2018.htmlBut I'm sorry, which one were lies again?
I'm not clicking links on here. Especially not political ones.It is a waste of time to try to prove anything to you. You've already decided to plant your head firmly in the sand.
Its a waste of time to try and prove anything to me? But that applies to you now doesn't it? I mean you said I was lying, I provided you sources to prove that I wasn't and now you want to run away because you know your wrong but your ego won't let you acknowledge it so you project your own bias onto me in order to justify you not acknowledging being wrong. Basically your saying I'm guilty of what your doing despite me showing all evidence to the contrary. Glad we got this cleared up.
the lesser of two evils ;)
I'm not sure how true that is. Bernie would have been stronger on the environment but I'm not sure how big of an issue that is in Europe anyway. Needless to say I didn't downvote you, that was probably two other DNC goons.
@IlluminatiExposed0 yeah im sure it would have been... downvote rather than challenge. anyway to me sanders was more like a european lefty and might have seen the end to the power struggle betweeen america and the euro bloc which is really what lead obamas debarckle in syria... flood Europe with refugees to destable it which he did and obviously now trump wants to pick over the bones which i think biden will do too. as for his eco credentials, i dont believe a word of it
Agreed. But I am surprised that the Dutch are the most favorable country towards Trump on the list provided. Is it because of Gert Welders?
I think it's the Dutch vibe of licentious living and seedy business ventures.
@Jack9949Nope. If you look into the article, 18% favours Trump. For some reason the graph decides to put undecided and pro-Trump together.And yeah, the two extreme right wing parties roughly have like 15% so that makes sense.@Tea-SpaghettiNope. First, Dutch acceptance of prostitution, weed and even abortion by Christian parties is generally purely based on pragmatic considerations. In the past, the government recognized that banning weed and putting people in jail for it isn’t really practical, just like criminalizing prostitution is not really practical, which has led to it being decriminalized. It’s not that people really like those things a lot.
Also, the Netherlands heavily favours free trade. Hence, they don’t like tariffs by Trump
I never said they do this things I said they allowed those things that’s what licentious means duh.
Licentious:“(Especially of a person or their behaviour) sexual in an uncontrolled and socially unacceptable way” “Lacking legal or moral restraints. Especially: disregarding sexual restraint”That entails that those people who are licentious typically behaves without sexual (or others) restraints. Duh
Non thing of which contradicts my original statement. Whether Dutch people do it or not doesn’t matter the fact that they allow it us still enticing enough for many people duh
Clearly the meaning of the world does not align with what you clearly intended to say duhh
nah it lined up well enough. The Netherlands allows and sanctions these types of behaviors, whether they do it or not themselves is hardly consequential. That's explanation enough for why a person like Trump and others might like the Netherlands. You simply are not aware of non-special your country is to America in general. New York, where Trump was born, was originally a Dutch colony anyway so it makes sense that a New Yorker like him could be found of the Netherlands as well. You're just ignorant of American culture and it's similarity to Protestant Europe ha ha.
Lol no it did not line up well enough.Whether Trump likes the Netherlands (I honestly doubt he could find it on a map) is not relevant. Dutch people also tend to not like Trump (only 18%) so that’s also not relevant. Also, I really doubt conservatives like Trump would like a nation where euthanasia is big, abortion is absolutely unquestionable, drugs are decriminalized, prostitution is unquestionable and trade wars are seen as idiotic.
And no, I don’t expect the Netherlands to be special to Americans. Again, a large part of Americans probably could not even find it on a map. And no, the Dutch roots of New York are so long ago. There’s really very little of what Trump stands for that would be accepted here
You’re forgetting that Trump is a New Yorker in big luxury condos he’s not a conservative from Texas or Utah. He just panders to those people. Trump himself loves the things that the Dutch empire has historically created such as an obsession with making money and pursuit of other base pleasures.Maybe my word didn’t line up exactly but whatever I still think I explained well enough why Trump might like the Netherlands as well as a lot of sleazy type people
In Amsterdam there may be more similarities but not Netherlands in general perhaps not.
Yeah no. What you said is that allegedly Trump likes the Netherlands for unknown unreasonable reasons. None of that is relevant for whether Dutch people like Trump, which tends to not be the case. I mean, campaigning against abortion is seen as idiotic here.
Well it helps that the urbanised area around Amsterdam (Randstad) literally is more than half the population
Oh I misread what @Jack9949 originally said. I thought he asked why is the Netherlands Trump’s favorite country but now I see he is asking why the Netherlands most favors Trump. Nevermind I was arguing the wrong point sorry.
As of right now, there’s not a single socialist state in the EU though
Yup. All of them have market based economies without social ownership of firms and firms operating with profit incentive.
@tartaarsaus Which part of Socilaism don't you understand?
@IlluminatiExposed0I actually do know what socialism is, which is why no nation in the EU actually is socialist. And no, socialism is not established when there is public provision of some goods to some extent
I wonder if there is a similar stat from 20 years ago about the "European vote" regards to the Republican and Democrat US president and how it changed.
UKIP and NF are fringe groups and they probably think Trump is doing a great job.
Though I am surprised the Netherlands is Trump’s most favorable country there
Netherlands and America are the world's largest producers of porn lol. New York was originally a Dutch colony and all...
Based on what?
Read the papers, douchebag.