That's why the left will win.
@Barbaric I disagree but, as a conservative, I am inherently more tolerant of disagreement than most of those on the left.
Again, that's why conservatism conserves nothing and the left constantly makes progress, because conservatives constantly make compromises while the left are un-compromising.
@Barbaric There is a difference between being uncompromising and being ruthless. A vast difference.
That doesn't matter, I'm not interested in arguing about the definitions of the words, I'm talking about tolerance being a weakness for conservatives.
@Barbaric I think the world is a better place if we have tolerance for those who disagree with us, but you are free to think otherwise.
The world would be better if people were tolerant, but when you're faced with people who are intolerant and are also willing to do whatever it takes to impose their will upon you, being tolerant only ensures that you lose against them because you're not really pushing back. If anything now conservatism is about conserving things which in the past would have been considered to be extremely liberal for this reason.
@Barbaric I wonder if people realize that the actual ones who win are those who are most ruthless.
Most people don't realise that, especially Christians. Even non-Christians today in the West follow Christian teachings to some extent, but of course conservatives are more likely to be Christian. Christianity itself was originally a slave religion, just a massive cope for the powerless. Their belief was that following the laws of God was "good" and that they'd be rewarded for doing so. That the "evil" ones would be punished in Hell. What was "good" to them was really the passivity of the slaves and all of the shit that came with that, and what was "bad" to them was the actions of their masters, who of course trampled all over them. Conservatives do the same thing. They're "good" because they're tolerant and non-violent, unlike the "evil" left. When they get trampled on they say "at least I wasn't violent/intolerant".You live in a country in which 50% of marriages end in divorce and 50% of kids live in single mother households, and millions of babies are aborted every year as a result of feminism. You've got gay marriage, kids being told stories by mentally disturbed grown men in drag, who if you "misgender" them you can be arrested in some cases, kids being told they're trannies and being put on HRT, as a result of LGBT. The family has been destroyed and now they're coming for your kids. What have conservatives done about that? What will they do? Nothing. That stuff will just get worse and worse.
But hey, if you end up divorced and your 7 year old son ends up on estrogen replacement therapy because your ex-wive said he should, and the courts rule that you can't do anything about it like this guy so they legally enforce it:nypost.com/.../At least you weren't intolerant.
@Barbaric I know, I am a Christian and conservative, I have started to lose the "Christian" part of that because I feel disenfranchised with several elements of the religion, but I still have conservative-ish views on a lot of issues.
@OlderAndWiser "You cannot reason with a Tiger when your head is in its mouth". The left has entirely too much power in this country and reasonable center and center right people are on the verge of losing this country.
@KrakenAttackin If we adopt the strategy that the ends justifies the means, then we become the very thing that we detest.
@OlderAndWiser As Voltaire said: “Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.” But what Voltaire forgot is that monsters give you no choice but to battle them. I agree there is risk in losing yourself when you fight leftists on their on footing, but a big difference between conservatives and liberals is the ability to reason and adopt new information into thinking. Conservatives have a fighting chance or returning to conservative values once leftists have been defeated. Leftists are so coopted and so convinced of their own supremacy, they will never accept new information or alternate ways of thinking. This is a battle that must be fought.
@KrakenAttackin I think the battle should be fought by getting political indoctrination our of public education and taking away constitutional protections for mass media sources that have positioned themselves to influence the news rather than report it.
@OlderAndWiser Yes, I agree, but don't think this will happen in a gentle and peaceful way. Conservatives allowed the cancer of liberalism to grow unabated because we were too "gentlemanly" to get our hands dirty (not me, but conservatives in general). We are victims of our own cowardice. Meanwhile the left has pushed hard, everyday, all day, without mercy --- and it has worked for them. Don't think for a second the left will give an inch without a fight. The left has never been afraid to use violence and outright murder to achieve their goals. We need to plant a flag and meet the left on the field of battle, without shame, without remorse, without prejudice, without mercy.
@Barbaric Absolutely, positively, fucking correct.
@KrakenAttackin Also, is it that bad of a thing even if we do somehow become the monster we detest? I know that's the argument many people use. I'm also not saying we should respond in such a way to smaller things that have a chance of being reasoned with or getting compensation, but when you have an entire people, country and/or culture and its values on the verge of losing or total extinction? Yes, I actually think it is quite understandably justified to want to have anger and fight back dirty. It didn't help that we in retrospect allowed it to happen in the first place.
@KrakenAttackin Oh yeah, and remember that they also directly or indirectly have millions of divorces, abortions, broken or dysfunctioned families, gender and racial wars on their hands, which are not entirely the fault of those poor people.
@UncleJessieRabbit. We do not want to become monsters ourselves. The "greatest generation" had to go overseas to fight knowing nothing of what they would face. The war was brutal and there were plenty of atrocities on all sides, but when it was over the U. S. was able to adjust back into a stable democracy.
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I for one would hit back.
I have half-agreement with you.
It was just a hypothetical question.
@RolandCuthbert "War is the continuation of politics by other means".
@KrakenAttackin I am just going to repeat what I said. Those who are violent, or encourage violence should be housed in a big room under the prison.If you can't find a way to voice civil, peaceful disagreement, then find another nation. Here, that is against the law. I have tried to offer a peaceful solution to our issues. It was met with vitriol.
At least the right being as ruthless still have nature and objective facts on their side.
What specific event are you referring to happened 100 years ago?
100 years is a long time, I'm referring to not one specific event but a collection of many. Creation of federal reserve and introduction of Keynesian economics would be a notable starting point I suppose though if you're looking for one, 1913 I believe
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