Well let’s also be fair to democrats... they did the best they could throwing like what was it 80 something candidates at the election. Democrats are ducking stupid
@VanillaSalt Sorry. I don't follow. 80 something candidates at the election? In Congressional elections, they went - as is normal - considerably above that number. At the presidential level, it is not abnormal to have a multiple number of candidates running - but in the end, as is normal, they settled on one. (Indeed, just wait to see how many Republicans run for the nomination in 2024.)Anyhow, not sure of your point. That said, while the Democrats did not do well, they appear to have been smart enough to defeat Mr. Trump. One of only three incumbents to go down to defeat after one term since 1960 - the other two being Carter and Bush I.They may not be bright - but it was good enough for government work. Best not to underestimate your opponents.
Uh, no, the stimulus had nothing to do with it, Trump would have won in a landslide had the media been honest and objective.www.dailywire.com/.../study-medias-suppression-of-8-issues-likely-swung-election-to-biden
@gotc147 A right-wing site quotes a right-wing blog citing a right-wing polling centres findings? Let me just run at full speed to accept that as gospel...
Yeah, I expected a response like that.You're not American so it doesn't really matter what you think, but for the left as a whole you ignore this data at your own risk.
exit polling from kenosha wisconsin and other areas found the black supremacist movement actually helped trumpwhich is not surprising as their causes are violent and totally made up. breonna taylor really did deserve to be killed and george floyd was convicted 9+ times on felonies including putting a loaded gun in a pregnant woman's belly.no good person has sympathy for that movement unless they were misled
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Since you are so concerned about "listening to the scientist", then you should listen when they tell us there is NO WAY the vote count for Biden is realistic:www.zerohedge.com/.../it-defies-logic-scientist-finds-telltale-signs-election-fraud-after-analyzing-mail-ballot
@genuinlysensitive A "data scientist" who wishes to remain anonymous.BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@genuinlysensitive "This vaccine is perfectly safe for you to take. Scientists say so.""Really, that's great. Which scientists said so?"Well, it was only one actually and he was cited on a far right libertarian blog and uh, he wishes to remain anonymous."Dude, you owe me $44.95 to buy a new keyboard cause you made me spit up soda on my current one from laughing so hard. On the bright side though, I clicked a button on zero hedge by mistake and got sent to this ad: "Liberals are FURIOUS that we’re giving away this Jesus Hat to Christians for FREE!" So looks like I'm gonna get a free hat out of it. Cool!!!Good job, bro. LMAO.
To be fair 6 states have not certified their votes. 4 are still counting and 2 are auditing their votes. The media just "declared" Biden the winner. Then there is the massive proof of voter fraud.
And by the way I voted for him 1 reason only because if the democrats did even one thing thst I have read that they have done since trump was in office then they are fucking evil and all of them need to be fired with no more pay of any kind
what did he do wrong during the pandemic? our death per capita rate and mortality rate was among the best in the world. and other countries are now having the spikes that we had earlier because they locked down.he did everything he should have. what policies should have changed?
My question exactly. Don't really know what people expect.50 independent states one size does not fit all. State choice.Governors role.
@007kingifrit you mean "among the worst" We have 5% of the world population and 20% of the Covid deaths.
@slatyb that statistic is fake, it is based on the idea that all countries are telling the truth. china india russia, iran etc are all lying the numbers you just gave are not real
@007kingifrit Right, every fact that contradicts your fantasy is fake. Show me some real evidence to the contrary.
@slatyb no its just the data does not support your claimyou can't take confirmed numbers seriously because many countries... are lyingbehold: a non exhaustive listJapan appears to have lied about their numbers so they didn’t need to postpone the Olympics abcnews.go.com/.../story?id=70041840 Iran’s actual death toll (as of April) appears to have been over 23,000 twitter.com/.../1248656038368288769?s=19 India is not testing enough people to get an accurate death rate www.dw.com/.../a-52840933 Mexico city has 3x as many deaths as reported http://archive.vn/KcvDB Chile counts the dead as “recovered” www.newsweek.com/chile-counts-those-who-died-coronavirus-recovered-because-theyre-no-longer-contagious-health-1497775 Study finds brazil has 12x more cases than they report www.reuters.com/.../brazil-likely-has-12-times-more-coronavirus-cases-than-official-count-study-finds-idUSKCN21V1X1 More than half of Russian doctors say the country is underestimating deaths from the virus www.newsweek.com/half-russias-doctors-think-countrys-coronavirus-death-count-too-low-poll-1516070 The volume of urns that china has been using reveals a more accurate estimate of how many people have died, it isn’t the 3,000 that china claims nypost.com/.../ Most estimates from china now range in the 40k to 50k deaths range (this estimate is from march) www.ccn.com/.../so in conclusion: many countries are lying, america is not lying because we are the great land of the free and thus our numbers look worse (here comes the excuses to ignore my data from the guy who just accused me of ignoring data)
The US has been falsifying numbers to be higher. It's what happens when you place $$ incentive whole closing down the profitable wards of hospitals.
@jace13 What did he do wrong? First he has never taken it seriously or done much of anything. What he did was completely wrong, particularly by encouraging his base to refuse to wear masks.
Well he did. Shut down flights got supplies to places where they needed to be. As far as I know he's never encouraged people to refuse masks, he doesn't go out of his way to shun those who don't and has no plans on mandating... It should forever be a choice. My body my choice type thing, no one can force you to wear a particular garment. He left actions up to the States because it's a State matter. New York and Wyoming very different. There's governors for a reason. Trump isn't trying to be dictator as many think he is.Try taking in the bigger picture. Think of the 50 states and how they're different. Think of why the country has State and Federal government...If one state suffers more say like New York ask yourself why... Why are cities effected more than rural. Many counties never experienced a single case. City, country, state, federal. Recommendation can be made at the top level is up to the bottom to decide what best suits... It's call democracy. Choice
@slatyb i notice you can only say emotional things like "he didn't take it seriously"as far as actual policy is concerned you have no complaints
@007kingifrit He repeatedly minimized the danger, encouraging his followers to refuse to wear a mask and contributing to the spread, instead of setting a sensible example for them to follow. A good number of them became infected. He's supposed to be a leader. What did he do?
@slatyb yes he did... now the question is... did that do any harm?the data says it didn't. the data says mask use is not correlated with peaks or troughs in infection rates, and the highest death rates are all in blue states where presumably people weren't listening to himlockdowns and masks are feel good tactics, they aren't designed to help, trump was right to point out they don't matter
@007kingifrit Yes, the blue states caught the beginning of the wave before we understood how contagious it was or how it was transmitted. It arrived in NYC and on the West Coast because those are destinations for people traveling from Asia. No one travels from China to Bismarck ND. Now the infection rates in the Midwest are skyrocketing too. Now we know it's transmitted mouth to nose through the air and wearing a mask and social distancing is beneficial.
@slatyb nope, you guys have been saying the rate in the midwest has been skyrocketing for months now. the deaths per capita are still all higher in blue states gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/.../bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6new york still #1, 3/5 are still blue; and illinoise and massachusetts are still in the top 10and your explanation doesn't even make sense. first cases were not in new york, new jersey, or mass... but they had the worst death rates until about September
oh and you STILL have no explanation for any POLICY trump could have done diferently. mask use is not correlated with lower infection rates
Yea who calls out troops "stupid bastards" to their face no less? How did Joe Biden think the American people would put up with that?https://youtu.be/19e_s4vO3C4
@genuinlysensitive I don’t like Biden but he is still more fair minded than Trump. Plus he was being a smart ass. I’d honestly rather be called a stupid bastard in joking than made fun of for serving in war or being disabled.
@genuinlysensitive between the two I think Biden is more honest, too.
you understand it is totally fake news that he ever insulted veterans? the only source was "anonymous" it didn't happenit is also fake news that he insulted disabled people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XoS-s4DIGEtruth is trump waves his arm like that when mimicking anyone
@007kingifrit don’t care. He shouldn’t be conducting himself like that and he shouldn’t be making fun of handicapped people. Even if he didn’t say anything about veterans, which he did, that does not excuse all the rest of his behavior. Shame on you for standing behind men who treat women the way he does too.
you just said "this is my reason i'm mad at trump"then i gave proof these things didn't happenand you responded with "don't care"you're refusing data; the things you claim to be upset about DID NOT HAPPENyou're a slave of the media industrial complex
He is definitely racist.
Yea saying of you don't vote the way he wants "You ain't black" Biden's 100% racist!https://youtu.be/FJFIdHUgHHM
@genuinlysensitive Biden is also racist. But one of these assholes is clearly worse than the other. I don’t support Biden, I just hate trump even more.
back up bitch, trump is a terrific president. slandering him
@MillieBrunette are you like in love with me or something? You and trump can both go burn in hell.
@Cherokeehp bet your fun at parties.. CRINGE. Ultimate cringe.
@MillieBrunette The only cringey person here is you and your dumb ass cheese stories and your orange feet. Stop inviting me to your dumb ass questions. Go fuck yourself.
girl your so so cringey, those things aren't cringey, Imagine doing something so cringey
@MillieBrunette as what?
you and your statements. whenever I see you, your busy being owned. facts. @Cherokeenp
@MillieBrunette lol, you must really have a crush on me. Unfortunately for you I’m not single and I’m straight, and I don’t date trump supporters. Hop off my dick.
@Cherokeehp by the way why you saying I got orange feet? I didn't say I did I asked the question. open your ears
Nope I really dont
@MillieBrunette then stop inviting me to your dumb ass questions
Dont say I got orange feet then
@MillieBrunette but you do have orange feet
Erm stfu how? We ran poll now 99 percent would say not orange fact
@MillieBrunette You’re just as orange as crusty ass trump
your proper winding me up now, you coudnt fight sleep. @Cherokeehp
@MillieBrunette awe that’s cute
U thought the fact I nearly drowned was hilarious
not reckon that's little twisted?
@MillieBrunette actually I wouldn’t even call it hilarious. I just find the idea of having one less trump supporter on this earth to be quite pleasant
Do realise the cheese could have caused me drown quick? That's absolutely pathetic
@MillieBrunette If you drowned in cheese you’d be the only pathetic one. That’s a ridiculous and pathetic way to go out
When your tough like myself your toughness is off the charts so I'm hard to pin down
@MillieBrunette sure whatever you say. I’m going to sleep now. Fuck off.
@Cherokeehp the only ones saying trump is racist are puppets of the media, you have no evidence just repeating what you were told to say
@007kingifrit No there’s plenty of evidence. For one he calls us “the blacks”. He’s advertised for the murder of black children. He’s refused to rent his properties to black people.
@Cherokeehp there is nothing wrong with saying "the blacks" political correctness is fascism. you are a fascist if you insist we talk a certain wayi'm sure the "murdering black children" thing is fake. its too vague and sensational to be reallikewise the rent thing was before you were even born so i don't care about shit that old
@007kingifrit calling us “the blacks” is offensive. He definitely advertised to have innocent black children put to death. And it doesn’t matter if it happened in the past, IT STILL HAPPENED.
@Cherokeehp show me proof of him advertising to put innocent black people to death. and no "the blacks" is fine
@007kingifrit Dude, I am actually a black person and I’m telling you that calling us “the blacks” is offensive. It’s not your place to tell me if it’s fine or not.www.google.com/.../...ral-park-five-trump.amp.html
@Cherokeehp ooooooh omg you're talking about the central park 5. wow you're such a dishonest assholehe did not "call for the murdering of black children" say it right or stfu. sensational people are idiots. use exactly the literal wording, nothing moreyou do not have the right to be offended by the term "the blacks", we have let you blacks feel far too much and it has gotten out of control. being offended s a choice, you can choose to be offended over anything
@007kingifrit the ad for the Central Park five was him literally asking to reinstate the death penalty to put 5 innocent black children to death. And once again calling us “the blacks” is offensive, and fact that you insist on calling us that shows that you’re a racist.
@Cherokeehp but he didn't know they were innocent at the time so you're being dishonest
@007kingifrit I am not being dishonest in anyway. It happened.
@Cherokeehp you dishonestly said he called for the murder of innocents, he did not he called for the death penalty to be used in the face of a rapethe rape may not have happened, but that does not make your statement accurate , he did not call for innocent people to be killed. he called for guilty people to be killed that turned out to be innocentyour grasp of the English language is either 8th grade level, or you're dishonest
@007kingifrit they were innocent.
@Cherokeehp yes they were innocent... but he did not call for the deaths of innocent black childrenplease go back to school or learn to be more honest
@007kingifrit @Cherokeehp The Central Park Five are not actually innocent.. They got off on a technicality..
@JDavid25 No they were innocent. The crime was committed by a completely different person, and the children were coerced into incriminating each other by police.
@Cherokeehp If you watched the actual footage of the fives interviews.. They incriminate themselves.. The police just let them talk, and they were tellin they own stories.. Ava Duvernay and the people that got then off lied..
@JDavid25 There’s literally evidence that someone else committed the crime.
@Cherokeehp There’s evidence that somebody else's DNA was on the victim.. All types of semen was inside the woman.. But like I mentioned all 5 guys incriminate themselves on video.. There was no coercion like Ava Duvernay or the other people who got them out said.. I don't know the details of how they got out, but it was on a technicality..
@JDavid25 They got out because coerced confessions don’t hold their weight in court, and because they actually found the real criminal.
That's pretty much my thought. I'm not sure he would have won if there had been no pandemic. He might have, but he'd already done a very poor job and more than half the country recognized that, so I don't think it was a sure thing.Once the pandemic came along though, I think he could have guaranteed reelection with an effective response (like, as you pointed out, New Zealand). If he had listened to the scientists and encouraged his followers to take it seriously and wear masks and led a coordinated and effective federal response (in other words, be an effective leader), the situation would not be nearly as bad in the US as it is and people would have respected him for handling a crisis well and he'd have probably won pretty easily. But of course he didn't do any of that.
He hasn't won or lost yet, 4 states are still counting 2 are auditing, and there is the voter fraud. The media just decided to declare him the winner.
@genuinlysensitive No. Trump lost, get over it.
the election is not settled yet
@007kingifrit Oh it is. Pretending otherwise is pretty silly at this stage.
its still not settled. you're rather ill informed if you think that, try watching some different news sources not affiliated with the media industrial complex
@007kingifrit Yeah.. Usually the candidate with more votes (and in Americas case, more electoral votes) wins. Perhaps you fail basic math?
but we don't know who got more votes because the courts may invalidate several 100k votes due to trump's 14th amendment lawsuittry having a higher level more complex conversation with me, this is beyond "basic math"
@007kingifrit Ha! Good one! Yes, Trump might win if all the votes against him magically disappear. I mean the chance is not 0 that actual magic does exist and that Trump is secretly a magical teenage girl that only pretends to be an old loser.But yeah, dont hold your breath especially for the courts to save him. He has already been thwarted by the simple fact that anytime a judge asks Trumps lawyers if they have ANY evidence they reply "No". Either you are calling Trumps lawyers liars which would be illegal inside the court or you have to accept that Trump does not have any evidence.
Biden won by very thin margins in 3-4 states that decided it all. The weather on November 3rd influenced the outcome, and yet you want to tell me the catastrophic pandemic didn't? Seems a bit naive.
You as a FOREIGNER really think you know how Americans feel BIG JOKE lolol
@Fuentes Why would I need to understand your feelings to understand that many things could turn an election that was decided by razor thin margins? Please stop being a leg-humping sycophant.
@Twinrova what did the weather do on the 3rd? It was sunny and 75 where i'm at.
So your saying trump supporters are scared of the rain
I'm saying voter turnout is lower in places where it rains, and if red counties are experiencing more adversarial weather conditions than blue counties are, the voter turnout could have been suppressed an amount sufficient to create the outcome we witnessed in this election. Good strawman argument!
@red324 It's almost as if the weather where you are doesn't pervade the entirety of the USA. :)
@Twinrova where was the weather bad? I don't recall hearing about a bad weather event lately.
@red324 You have defeated me, sir. I am going to hang my head in shame and become a recluse in the mountains where I will never be found again. Thank you for owning me in such a vulgar display of dominance.
@Twinrova yeah a Foreigner like Purple poppy doesn't sway any Americans she just sits at home all day on her computer looking up us politics and pretending she's voting sad VIEWS FRON THE UK lolol super weird
We have 4 states still counting, 2 auditing the vote, and massive voter fraud in at least 6 states. Six states have not yet certified who gets their votes. Biden did not win, and "the media" doesn't get to crown him king, especially after denying Trump's "legitimacy" for four years!
Lmao what wasn’t used against him? His whole campaign was like Obama’s tan suit scandal.
This is absurd.
Agreed. Imagine if Ebola got a solid hold in the USA, and Obama downplayed it whilst doing nothing.
What evidence is there of voter fraud? I’ve yet to see one credible source. Even FOX news has said there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud. There might be isolated instances but not nearly enough to overturn the result of the election. Second, trump is obviously not responsible for the pandemic. But his poor response has made the U. S. #1 in the world for per capita deaths which is very embarrassing for a country with as many resources as the U. S.. 200k+ deaths is wayyyy too many people
Credible source? The same "credible sources" that said; There were WMDs in Iraq, Hillary would win, the Steele Dossier was real, the Russia Hoax was real, Kavanaugh was a rapist, a bunch of High School kids in MAGA hats harrased a Native American, the Ukraine hoax was real, and the Coronavirus came from a Fish Market? Those don't sound like very Credible sources...
@genuinlysensitive I never provided a source. I’m asking for a credible source because if you’re going to make serious allegations, then it’s on you to provide a source to back it up. Sooo do u have a source?
@Mishan97 Well the fact the Pennsylvania pulled for Biden in a statistical impossibility is one. Trump was up 600,000+ votes by the end of the night and somehow a bunch of votes only for Biden "suddenly" got counted and put him ahead.. All in key battleground states.. There are people sayin their ballots didn't get counted, a county that went to Trump overturned to Biden only for them to realize it was a mistake.. 6000 votes really.. 120 and 170 years votes for Joe Biden.. Trumps legal team was prohibited from seeing the ballots counted even though they had a court order saying that they could watch the count. Also nobody listens to FOX anymore..https://youtu.be/b3eSLQNnvGkhttps://youtu.be/ImU5wZWnm00As for Trumps response.. Like I tell many other people why is everybody on G@G blaming Trump as if he didn't do everything in his power to help people with the virus.. The whole purpose was to slow the spread down so the hospitals wouldn't get overwhelmed.. A governments put people into nursing homes who were recovering from Covid.. New York is most of the U. S deaths and it had the worst nursing home scandal.. Not to mention the Do not resuscitate rule which could have saved many lives.. And all the ventilators that were killing people.. This had little to do with Trump and more to do with government reaction and medical negligence.. Trump was just a scapegoat for their corruption..
It’s not a statistical impossibility at all. Pennsylvania counts the in person votes first THEN the mail in ballots. So of course trump was leading by a lot at first before they had begun to count mail in ballots because most trump supporters chose to vote in person. This is for 2 reasons. 1) trump spent a substantial amount of time questioning the legitimacy of mail in ballots and encouraging his base to vote in person. 2) trump supporters are less likely to take social distancing measures seriously and therefore have less incentive to mail in their votes. So it makes perfectly logical sense that once the mail in votes started to get counted that the lead between trump and Biden would slowly close with Biden eventually overtaking trump. Also, majority of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh voted via mail in ballots because in large cities it just made more sense to do so, and these two cities are heavily liberal so of course once their votes started to get counted that also helped Biden overtake trump, And of course because trump supporters were (without reason) suspicious of mail in voting, roughly 60- 80% of mail in ballots were for Biden. also it is a lie that trumps legal team was prohibited from seeing the ballot counting. In fact the ballot counting was live streamed so anyone could go watch it if they felt like it. Also, trump supporters listen to fox lol. Also I am not blaming trump for the pandemic as a whole. But his handling was undeniably extremely poor. He did practically nothing to slow the spread of the virus. He refused to provide free Covid testing for all, he didn’t take the virus seriously until March when he had knowledge of it since January, he kept undermining advice from doctors and scientists, and he was the number one spreader of misinformation when it came to the virus. Poor leadership.
@Mishan97 Yes it is a statistical impossibility.. Pennsylvania said they had stopped counting ballots and would continue in the mornin, and all of a sudden with a 600,000+- 800,000 lead Biden came close to Trump.. Also with the whole "oh Biden supporters only voted by mail".. That's a straight up lie.. Because in many counties registered Republicans also had mail in ballots.. Biden voters had more yes, but it wasn't only Biden supports.. But to jump hundreds of thousands of votes in the middle of the night is none but suspicious and you would have to have some real TDS.. And Trump questioned mail-in ballots because he knew they would use them to cause Voter Fraud.. 😂😂... "So it makes perfectly logical sense that once the mail in votes started to get counted that the lead between trump and Biden would slowly close with Biden eventually overtaking trump.".. No that doesn't make any logical sense because they didn't say they still mail in ballots to count.. In fact counted mail in ballots first.. California, Texas, Florida, New York.. All have more votes to count than Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, and yet they had no problem getting their votes in.. And yes they did deny Trumps team from seeing the ballots.. 😂😂.. 100percentfedup.com/.../www.rebelnews.com/breaking_trump_supporters_barred_from_observing_ballot_counting_in_violation_of_court_orderI am a Trump supporter and I had a mail in ballots, and I'm sure there were any like me.. And no Trump Supporters don't listen to Fox anymore.. Not since they called Arizona for Biden eben though they were not done countin.. We are done with Fox.. Get with the program..
@Mishan97 And I didn't say you were blaming him for the Pandemic.. But it wasn't.. People always say he didn't take this Pandemic seriously.. He declared a state of Emergency back February.. He was advised by Dr. Fauci who in March said that "We can still go about our daily lives".. And even he said "No administration could have handled it better than this administration".. And he didn't refuse to provide Covid testing because it wasn't his call.. Plus many Covid test are faulty anyways.. As soon as he found out about Human to Human transmission he shut down Travel from China and parts of Europe in January.. And he listened to the experts and adoctors.. What are you talkin about just spewing lies out here.. The number one spreader of misinformation was Dr. Fauci, WHO, CDC, and all the media sites claiming that this virus was that dangerous.. You can hope on the Trump blame train as if governors and Mayors didn't have a hand in their own states and cities all you want.. You are just playing into their game..
Rebel news is not a credible source. & I didn’t say that 0 trump supporters used mail in voting but the vast majority voted in person because trump spent months convincing his base to vote in person. If trump is telling his base again& again to not use mail in ballots then of course the majority of the mail in ballots would not be for trump. Also, different states have different methods for counting their votes. Ohio counted their mail in ballots 1st which is why Biden had a lead at first, but when they began counting the in person ballots, trump started to lead and eventually the state turned red. The opposite happened in PA because mail in ballots from major cities (which are mostly liberal) like Philadelphia and Pittsburgh were counted last. Also they took about the same time to call Georgia as they did Pennsylvania so I don't know why you brought up Georgia. In fact, GA was called AFTER PA. Texas, New York, California, Florida were called earlier not because they counted their votes faster but because in those states the margin for the winner was wide enough that the state could be called earlier. realistically we all knew California&New York would go blue & Texas and Florida would go red. In swing states like Pennsylvania, Nevada, Arizona, and Georgia it took longer to declare the winner because the margins were so thin between the two candidates that 99%+ of the votes had to be counted before the networks could confidently say who won. If there is widespread voter fraud then why have all of trumps lawsuits been dismissed for lack of evidence? Even his lawsuit in Georgia was dismissed despite their republican governor. And lastly, if the ballots were fraudulent then how come republicans performed so well in the congressional elections when the congressional and presidential candidates were all on the same exact ballots? As you probably recall, when you received your ballot, you were prompted to fill in your pick for president and senator all on the same ballot.
If trump handled the pandemic so well, then why are we the leader in per capita deaths from COVID? Every other developed country has a lower death & transmission rate than we do. Dr. Fauci is a epidemiologist and did his best to relay information about the virus as they were learning about it. Remember, this is a new virus that we had little knowledge of which is why early advice from CDC/WHO might have been contradictory. However, once the CDC learned enough about the virus to say that masks & social distancing would prevent transmission, what did trump do? Ignore their advice and on multiple occasions say that masks and social distancing is ineffective. Trump who has no education, knowledge of viruses and pandemic was saying that he knew more than medical experts. He held so many rallies which were linked to increased COVID rates. He admitted on tape that he downplayed the severity of the virus. He lied to the American people and said that this was just like the flu when he is on tape admitting that he knew it was much more deadly and contagious than the flu. He cut funding to the CDC and even if testing isn’t 100% accurate all the time, if testing was widely available early on, asymptomatic people would’ve been able to tell they had the virus and wouldn’t have gone around spreading it. If stricter lockdown measures had been put in place early on, like they had in countries like New Zealand, then the US could have safely opened after a month and the economy wouldn’t be as bad as it is now and more importantly 200k+ lives wouldn’t have been lost. There is NO excuse for his handling of the pandemic. He had enough information early on to know this was contagious and that preventative measures could have been taken. But nope, he ignored all this and as a result hundreds of thousand s of people have died. Let that sink in.
@Mishan97 "Rebel news is not a credible source.".. Says who? 😂😂.. And Trump didn't tell his base not to use mail in ballots.. He warned against them saying that they might cause voter fraud which they have.. And do you have any evidence on how states counted their votes, or are you just blindly defending the election results? Also like I said.. That doesn't explain why Trump was up in Pennsylvania 6-800,000+ votes, they said they were going to stop counting ballots and continue in the morning, and at 4am they happen to "find ballots" for Biden.. They didn't say they still had mail in ballots to count.. So that explanation doesn't work.. And I brought up Georgia because Trump was also up in that state and it has the same problems as Pennsylvania so does Michigan and Wisconsin.. Also there was no thin margin between the President in Georgia, Pennsylvania, or Wisconsin.. The President was on over 100,000+ points in those states so I don't know what Information you have.. The Presidents lawsuits didn't get dropped.. He won in Pennsylvania so and they are recounting in Georgia, Arizona, Nevada.. I don't know about Michigan and Wisconsin.. As for the Republican thing that's exactly why they are Fraudulent.. 😂😂😂.. You vote for Joe Biden A Democrat and then mark for a Republican congressman.. That doesn't make sense..
Says who? Everyone? It’s literally characterized as a right wing platform so obviously it is not bipartisan nor a neutral source. If you want to make your argument look credible then use an unbiased source. Also now you are just picking straw man arguments. He warned against the use of mail in ballots, making baseless claims that they’re not credible, which is essentially encouraging his base to NOT use mail in ballots🤦🏽♀️... which is why MAJORITY of trump supporters voted in person. Cmon man this isn’t hard to understand. & yes I do have evidence of how they counted the ballots, they literally live-streamed the whole process for anyone to see. You may look it up as well if you care that much. I don’t know in how many different ways I can explain how counting works. In PA and GA the bulk of the population is concentrated in the cities which tend to be liberal so once the votes from the counties surrounding populous cities like Atlanta, Pittsburg and Philly came in and were counted it became evident that Biden had a majority. This is how counting works. Also a lot of republicans did not like trump and voted against him but still voted for their party in the congressional elections. That’s not that unlikely 😂 trump was a pretty unpopular president even among many republicans. If Democrats has rigged the election don’t you think they’d rig it so they’d win the presidency, the senate, and the house? Cmon man you can’t seriously be this dumb and deluded.
Also it’s common to have recounts in states where the margins are as thin as they were. That’s why there were recounts in Georgia and Wisconsin and other places. Trump is within his rights to demand a recount but a recount in now way is evidence of widespread voter fraud. Also, the recount in Georgia actually made Biden’s lead go up😂😂😂
@Mishan97 "If trump handled the pandemic so well, then why are we the leader in per capita deaths from COVID?" We are actually ranked 9th.. But yeah okay.. And that's mainly cause of New York and their handling of the virus.. Also Dr. Fauci is a Physician and and Immunologist.. Not an Epidemiologist.. And it's a Coronavirus.. It's not much different than SARS COV-1.. In fact it's very similar.. And that's no excuse.. They know how viruses work, so there was no reason for Dr. Fauci, WHO, or the CDC to seem as confused as they did.. "Ignore their advice and on multiple occasions say that masks and social distancing is ineffective."... 😂😂😂.. He never said that.. Now you are just making stuff up.. He also never said he knew more than the experts.. He listened to Dr. Fauci and Deborah Birx as wrong as they were.. And what? Where is the evidence that his rallies contributed to the spread of COVID? 😂😂.. And he didn't hold that many rallies.. And no he admitted that he tried to keep the American people calm and not have them panic.. And he didn't say that this was just liked the flu.. Even in February he said that he and his administration are taking this virus seriously..
@Mishan97 And he didn't cut funding.. He tried to and Congress ended gave them even more funding.. And he should have cut funding, the CDC just like WHO and Dr. Fauci are corrupt.. And asymptomatic don't spread the virus much.. The virus mostly spreads from people with symptoms.. And most of the spread happened indoors among family members.. And it's been long known that lockdowns don't work.. New York was locked down heavily, and had the worse cases and deaths.. Whereas Florida didn't have strict lockdowns and more of an elderly population and yet they are just fine and even reopened.. Also hospitalizations were down and so a few are deaths.. People spout 200k deaths when even the CDC said that only 6% of those deaths could directly attributed to Covid itself.. Not to mention many weren't even tested, even Texas had to take 3000 deaths off of the count because they weren't tested.. Pennsylvania and Arizona did the same thing early on.. They have been lying to us this whole Pandand counting cases and deaths liberally.. So, yeah..
@Mishan97 "Says who? Everyone? It’s literally characterized as a right wing platform so obviously it is not bipartisan nor a neutral source.".. That doesn't make it not credibile ma'am.. And I posted another source, but I don't know what happened to it.. Most sources won't be credible or neutral so yeah.. "Also now you are just picking straw man arguments." You obviously don't know what a strawman is.. 😂😂.. And yeah more Republicans voted in person, but plenty got mail in ballots and voted.. And if you have the evidence where is it? 😂😂.. You can't just tell me "Oh, I have evidence, but you gotta look it up".. 😂😂🙄.. " I don’t know in how many different ways I can explain how counting works.".. Cause you don't know how counting works.. That's how it works.. You are clearly making stuff up.. It doesn't matter if they are liberal.. PA is home to Fracking which Joe Biden said he would get rid of.. Trump was up 800,000+ votes It doesn't matter what kind of excuses you are making for this this is clearly a statistical impossibility and fraud or "voter irregularity".. How many times do I have to say that they said they would stop counting that night and continue at 10am, and at 3 or 4am that happen to find votes for Biden.. If you can't see that that's suspicious then you are as unbright as you are callin me.. 😂
@Mishan97 "That’s not that unlikely trump was a pretty unpopular president even among many republicans. ".. He had 71+ million votes 9 million more than he had in 2016, and he had a 90+% approval rating in his party.. So what was that about Republicans.. 😂😂.. Also I can't be that dumb? 😂😂.. So as for Republicans voting for Joe Biden and voting senate there's not evidence that that happened on a big scale.. Also the reason why I mention that is because people could have filed up the form marking Joe Biden as President and didn't fill the rest of the form out.. Especially people witnessing wine coolers or red wagons being pulled into polling sites with security not checking them. And the whole point of the recount is the make sure every vote was counted legally.. Whether Trump wins or loses that's fine.. As long we know it was all done legally..
When pushing unconstitutional lockdown Leftists "Trust the experts". Experts say Biden votes are statistical impossibility and prove voter fraud. "Not those Experts!" hypocrites to the extreme!
@genuinlysensitive okay so you still don’t have a valid source to back up ur claims? Just more “he said, she said”
Credible source? Any evidence provided to you, including the election official from Pennsylvania you deny as "not credible"! So why don't you enlighten us as to what YOU think "credible" sources are...
@genuinlysensitive you never even provided a source in the first place for me to even say if it’s credible or not. What I consider a credible source would be trumps own lawyers and under oath they admitted that they have no evidence of voter fraud. I’d say this is credible because you can’t lie under oath. www.google.com/.../trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267
@Mishan97 131-2800 sworn affidavitslidblog.com/sworn-affidavits-showing-voter-fraud/Sydney Powell a highly esteemed Lawyer who worked for the Federal government for over a decade says there's overwhelmin evidence. noqreport.com/.../washingtonwatch.org/.../-As many as 6000 illegal founds found in Nevadagellerreport.com/.../
Those lawsuits were thrown out. And the second “proof” you gave was just an email from trumps legal team. It wasn’t a legal ruling or anything official. Do you have any concrete evidence? Not just here say? For example, did any judge rule that there was in fact fraud? Because otherwise all you’ve provided is anecdotal evidence. Could be made up, if could be true. But unless you have concrete proof it doesn’t mean anything.
@Mishan97 I didn't show you lawsuits I showed you that there were 131 to 2800 sworn affidavits ready to testify.. Meanin citizens ready to swear that they witnessed voter fraud.. If they are lying they get up to 10 years in prison if they are caught lying.. And the letter is a confirmation from Trumps legal team that they found 6000 ballots at minimum.. You showed the WSJ article sayin that Trumps lawyers said that there is no evidence.. But you dismiss this as evidence.. The affidavits are more than enough because that's a sworn testimony..
Again, those affidavits are just heresay. You can’t base your whole case off of anecdotal evidence. There has to be hard evidence for a judge to take the case seriously. The affidavits existing isn’t simply enough. If this was a murder trial and the only evidence the prosecutors provided was that they had witnesses who say the man commit murder would that be enough to convict him? No. It would only be enough if there was hard evidence, like DNA or weapons found on the scene linking the crime to the man on trial, to back up those witness statements. The same way, trump has no case here unless he has hard evidence to back up this anecdotal evidence. & he does not. There’s a reason his lawsuits aren’t holding up in court. In addition, the ballot counting process was live-streamed the whole time. If any wrong doing happened it would have been caught on the livestream. As for back dating the ballots, that again is just heresay. There’s no hard evidence backing that up. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/6247949002
@Mishan97 "Affidavits- a written statement confirmed by oath or affirmation, for use as evidence in court." "They are a written alternative to a person attending Court to give oral evidence in the witness box.".. So they are evidence.. 😂😂.. And there's 131 to 2800 of them.. Now is that all they need to prove their case? No.. Also the cases that got thrown for Trump were small cases which were inconsequential.. The court allowed his team to watch counts in Philadelphia and they were blocked off.. They told all Republicans to leave the room so they could finish counting.. They told poll watchers that they were done counting and happened to find more ballots at 4am.. And they were moving the counts 30 feets away from poll watchers.. And maybe in one state they had a watch on the polls but the fact that they are finding dead people voting, The Dominon machines "malfunctioning" where they found 6000 votes flipped for Biden that was suppose to be Trump, and just recently they found over 5,000 votes that was suppose to go to Trump after a small recount.. A Republican senator conceded and after doing a small recount they ended up finding out that he actually won the seat.. There's plenty of evidence out there.. The media of course is suppressin it just like they did the "Hunter Biden" Story, and Joe Biden and the women he allegedly assaulted.
@Mishan97 Okay you didn't say that the affidavits weren't evidence.. My bad.. But I didn't say they were enough to hold in court, but I meant enough evidence showin you.. Notice how the media went from "There's no evidence at all of voter fraud" to "There's no evidence of widespread voter fraud".. Now those affidavits can be enough to encourage a recount or audit in some states.. But it should be investigated.. Which the media isn't doin, yet they were ready to say that Russia helped Trump despite there being absolutely no evidence..
Affidavits aren’t concrete evidence. If there actually was voter fraud then there would be hard evidence of it which trumps lawyers would be able to show in court. But because his lawyers don’t have this type of hard evidence, his lawsuits are being thrown out. And the reason people say widespread fraud is because in every election there are a couple of isolated incidents of fraud, such as someone trying to vote twice, etc. but these isolated incidents are not enough to affect the result of an election. Biden is leading by tens of thousands of votes. If there were even say like a few hundred incidents of isolated fraud, which there probably isn’t, that’s still not enough to change the result of the election. And isolated incidents of fraud are not enough to indicate a stolen election. Also recounts and audits are common and routine when elections are as close as this one is. Having a recount doesn’t mean they suspect fraud, it’s routine and normally a recount only turns around 500 ballots. Again this is not enough to change the winner because Biden is leading by at least 10s of thousands of votes in the state’s that are recounting. Also the media isn’t responsible for counting or auditing the votes. The state and its legislature is responsible for counting the votes. The media simply reports it. As for Russians interfering the election, that’s an irrelevant point to bring up. Because first, trump ended up serving his 4 years and Hillary conceded when he won. She didn’t try to prevent him from assuming office. The reason the government investigated if there was Russian interference was because if in fact Russia had interfered with our election, then that is very dangerous to the U. S. as a nation because obviously Russia is not our ally. The investigation was done for National security reasons. It was not done to undermine trump’s legitimacy as president.
@Mishan97 Affidavits are concrete evidence that's why they use them in court.. And like I mentioned.. Inconsequential cases have been "thrown out" or turned down.. Trump is still filing more lawsuits and the process is still goin on.. And you don't understand.. FOX, CNN, ABC, CBS... They all said at first that there's no evidence of voter fraud, and now they are sayin that there's no widespread evidence (which there is) of voter fraud.. Sydney Powell claims that she is gettin everything together, and alluded to the Dominon voting machines bein made to basically cheat elections.. There's plenty of evidence.. What you are talkin about is proof.. And yes there isn't concrete proof at least of Widespread Voter fraud.. But there is evidence "This week the Clark County Commission threw out a local election because there were too many "discrepancies" to be sure of the election results. There were 153,000 votes in this election. SOURCE"nypost.com/.../Dominion Voting Systems is used in 16 out of 17 jurisdictions in Nevada with a history of glitches in previous elections.www.rgj.com/.../www.nvsos.gov/.../voting-systemA whistleblower with the Clark County Elections Department claimed poll workers fabricated proof of residence data for illegal voters. mobile.twitter.com/.../1mobile.twitter.com/.../2Another witness saw a Biden-Harris van unloading ballots that were then filled out and then sealed in envelopes. People formed a human shield to prevent poll watchers observing.m.washingtontimes.com/.../Poll watchers in Philadelphia were ordered to stand 20 feet away until they got a court order.philadelphia.cbslocal.com/.../
@Mishan97 Also, there are states like Arizona, and a few others where Biden is barely leadin.. Also cmon.. Who would vote for Biden anyways? I mean the man couldn't even fill an auditorium, but I disgress.. And, Hilary never conceded.. In fact she told Joe Biden to do the same thing Trump is doin right now.. And I brought the Russia investigation up because it literally basically was to undermine the legitimacy of Trumps presidency.. They said the man rigged the election with the help of Vladimir Putin and the Russians and did a 2 year investigation on him and spent millions of dollars.. But now they act like the election can't be rigged, and voter fraud is so rare.. Joe won fair and square, but Trump must have had help from the Russians.. Yeah.. No contradiction right there..
even if Biden won those stares by a slim margin, he still won them at the end of the day. In 2016 trump won by slimmer margins in Michigan and Pennsylvania. & yes she did concede. She made a concession speech soon after it the election was called for trump. Trump has YET to make a concession speech. Did Hillary go around filing lawsuits against trump and suing him over the results? NO! & the Russia investigation was a matter of national security. Point blank period. If another country is trying to influence our elections isn’t that a cause for concern? Also with the Russia investigation there was evidence of interference and that is why they investigated. In trumps case, he didn’t like the result of the investigation so he is now looking for evidence to back up his claims... evidence that simply doesn’t exist. Also, trump was never accused of colluding with the Russians. There was simply concern that Russia had used cyber interference to influence the election. This is not the same as accusing a candidate of stealing an election. And just because you personally think that no one would support joe Biden doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have support. Probably the people you surround yourself with don’t support him, but that’s not reflective of the country as a whole.
@Mishan97 Cmon we both know he didn't win those states.. 😂😂😂.. But the investigation is still goin on.. Donald Trump or Joe Biden didn't win.. And she made a concession speech but she didn't truly concede.. And she went on CBS and ended up sagin that Trump knows he stole the election.. And let's not forget she told Joe Biden not to concede "under any circumstances".. www.independent.co.uk/.../...on-2020-a9688361.htmlwww.nbcnews.com/.../hillary-clinton-says-biden-should-not-concede-2020-election-under-n1238156Also the Russia investigation was her lawsuit cause they didn't have any other way to "undermine" Trumps presidency.. And the Russia investigation was a hoax... They spent 2 years and millions of dollars investigating it and they found virtually nothin.. Impeeched the man and tried to get him outta office and it didn't work.. And there is no evidence of interference.. None.. There's way more evidence of Voter fraud and yet they don't look into investigating that..
@Mishan97 And Trump was accused of colluding with the Russians that was the whole point.. 😂😂.. I remember they kept saying "He found him in one of his buildings meeting with Russian officials, and he said this and that".. 😂😂.. And it is exactly the same.. Cause that's exactly what they did except there's actual evidence of at least many many voter irregularities.. And who voted and was excited for Joe? Kamala Harris called him racist before, the man can't even form a coherent sentence half the time, there's evidence that his son did plenty of dirty business withe Russia and China and was seen sleepin with a crack pipe in his mouth, and all the other stuff out there.. And Joe was even bragging about doin a Quid Pro.. Which is why he got a nickname Quid Pro Joe.. 😂😂.. He called Robert Byrd (a former KKK member) his friend and mentor, he dropped out of a previous race because he was caught lyin.. He lied on the man who was indirectly responsible for the death of his wife and kids, sayin that he was a drunk.. To the point where the man's daughter called Joe and asked him to stop doin it.. And even some people who voted for him regret it because they didn't realize how sour his policies actually are
Just cause you personally don’t like joe Biden doesn’t mean the whole country thinks the same way. And we both know he won those states because they counted and recounted and joe Biden still won majority of the vote. Also, the mueller investigation found there was no collusion with trump. That’s how an investigation should be conducted: you look for evidence first then reach a conclusion. Not like what trump is doing. He’s reaching a conclusion first, saying the election was rigged with no evidence to back it up, and now he’s going looking for evidence that doesn’t exist. Nobody accused Donald trump of stealing the election. They just said there was possibility of Russian interference and they investigated it for matters of national security. Also the mueller investigation was not a lawsuit filed by Hillary clinton. The government conducted the investigation. And Hillary did concede. She didn’t contest the results, she didn’t say trump is not president. She accepted defeat in her speech and acknowledged him as president. Obama didn’t block trump from daily briefings like how trump is blocking Biden from the daily briefings. It’s not comparable at all.
Also that bit that Hillary said that Biden shouldn’t concede was taken out of context. That article was written before the election. & it’s obvious that she was referencing he should give up a good fight because trump will try to undermine the validity of mail in ballots. & her prediction came true because trump is in fact, without any factual evidence, trying to undermine the validity of mail in ballots
Also why is Hillary relevant anyways? She ran in the last election. She’s not running this time. The question is whether there was voter fraud. And the answer is no. Every legal expert has said that at this point trump has no path to victory. The end!
@Mishan97 I don't personally like or dislike Joe.. 😂😂😂.. But I would like to know what you personally like him... "And we both know he won those states because they counted and recounted and joe Biden still won majority of the vote.".. No they haven't recounted fully.. I mean the GOP didn't certify the election in Michigan they were threatened and called racist the voted yes, and now they are rescinded the vote.. "Also, the mueller investigation found there was no collusion with trump. That’s how an investigation should be conducted".. The investigation shouldn't have been conducted in the first place.. 😂😂.. It was all the undermine Trumps presidency.. The media attacks the man 24/7.. They can't give him any breaks.. Not to say he ain't said things to help fuel it but I mean they twist and lie about everything he says.. And Joe Biden is not president.. He didn't win and Some states still haven't been certified yet.. He is not even truly at 270.. And Hilary never conceded.. She gave the concession speech and they say she called Trump to concede but she never says she lost.. And like I said on CBS she say "The President knows that he's an illegitimate President".. 😂😂.. Don't sound like conceding or accept the loss to me.. She just didn't have any evidence unlike Trump who has the best lawyers in the country and actually has plenty of evidence for Voter Fraud.. At least it should be investigated and not just dismissed.. Even if Trump doesn't win and we find out that Joe legit win, the whole point is to make sure there is still trust in the system.. Not just that Trump won.. Which by a Landslide he did.. And I brought Hilary up because she never conceded and yet people are crying about Trump doing what is in his legal right to do.. Biden is not President or President elect as it hasn't been certified and there's plenty of evidence to point to the election bein cheated.. So yeah.. 😎👉..
Trump didn’t win by a landslide in 2016 he lost the popular vote. And if you call his electoral victory a landslide back in 2016, well then joe Biden won by a landslide this year. He got the same # of electoral votes as trump, 306. Also, Georgia certified their results today and declared JOE BIDEN the winner after a full recount and audit. So, yes l, the recounts are just confirming joe Biden’s wins. There hasn’t been a single recount which has resulted in reversal of any results. Also Hillary Clinton said “Donald trump is Going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and The chance to lead.” this is what she said word for word. You may look it up to confirm if you want. So YES she did concede. She admitted he’s the next president and that she lost. I don’t know where you get your information from but you’re obviously misinformed.Also my opinion of joe Biden is irrelevant. The argument you’re trying to make is that he didn’t win fairly which is untrue and why I am pointing out to you that you can’t just make up allegations like that. And as for the mueller investigation, again the investigation occurred after trumps inauguration. It was never meant to undermine his legitamacy as president. Trump was never prevented from a smooth transition of power. If there’s a possibility that another country tried to influence our election of course it should be investigated. Like I said, it’s an issue if national security. Besides, mueller investigation is irrelevant to what’s happening now. Biden won, trump lost. And that’s the end of it. There was no fraud. Every single federal and state official has said there is no evidence of voter fraud & trumps own lawyers in court have said the same, that there’s no evidence of voter fraud. So AKA there’s NO fraud. Why is that such a hard concept for you to grasp
@Mishan97 It was talkin about this election.. Not 2016.. So yeah.. And Biden doesn't have 306 electoral votes as Michigan dropped the certification, and Arizona didn't certify.. And we'll see with Georgia.. I don't trust anything the mainstream media says.. 😏.. And recounts are not all that count neither are audits.. Counting legit ballots is the goal.. Ballots that were not found after 12am in the morning.. And yes there has.. There have been recounts where a Republican senator actually won and counties that found 5400 votes from Trump so what are you talking about? And let me just put this right here..https://youtu.be/iO-Sw8CCxxY "Also my opinion of joe Biden is irrelevant." That tells me what I need to know right there.. 😂😂.. And it is untrue because multiple people have said that they don't like Biden, but they would rather vote against Trump.. Biden hot less votes in most counties than Hilary Clinton, but only in the swings states did he get the most votes out of any President.. You make up these flimsy dishonest excuses "Oh, well mail in ballots happened".. That's not how counting or election even work.. I've shown you the evidence and you choose to ignore it.. And like I said that's clearly what the mueller investigations were for.. The undermine Trumps Presidency.. 70 Democrats lawmakers didn't even show up to his inauguration.. And there was a need to investigate the possibility of another country interfering with the Election but not Voter fraud in the country? 😂😂😂.. What in the name of Hypocrisy.. And it's relevant because that's the hoax they used to try and get him outta office.. And then when Joe Bidens son is alleged to have done deals with Russia and China they don't even bring it up.. And no every single state official has not said that.. You are so dishonest it's not even funny.. 😂😂..
Dude yes every election official has said there’s no fraud. The department of cyber security even came out with a statement that said this was the most secure election we’ve ever had. You said you showed me evidence, what evidence? You’ve shown me 0 evidence to back up there was fraud. Also yeah Georgia certifies their results already. This is all public information you can google for yourself, Michigan did not “drop” the certification. The Michigan GOP lawmakers literally told trump that they intend to follow the law and go through with certifying their results which state BIden as th e winner. At this point you are just making stuff up to back up your argument because everything you stated can be easily disproved with a single google search.
@Mishan97 No every election official hasn't said that. 😂😂.. "The department of cyber security even came out with a statement that said this was the most secure election we’ve ever had. ".. And? 😂😂😂.. Of course they would say that.. And I've shown you plenty of evidence.. I know you didn't even look at half the stuff I gave you cause you replied so fast.. 😂😂😂.. slate.com/.../...tes-certify-election-results.htmlnymag.com/.../...lection-result-certification.html"Michigan Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey says the Legislature is concerned the dramatic expansion of absentee voting this year created “serious holes in our election laws that make it easier to do fraudulent things.”www.bridgemi.com/.../joe-biden-won-michigan-elector-coup-not-going-happen-gop-leader-sayswww.foxnews.com/.../michigan-gop-election-checkers-rescind-certify-vote-claim-dems-bullied-themAnd, "with a single Google search"? 😂😂.. Google is bias too.. It's all just a Leftist echo train.. So I trust the Google results on these matters as much as I trust Joe Biden himself.. But no you've been wrong a few times really..
The senate majority leader in Michigan actually made a statement that says he sees no reason or evidence to suggest that Michigan would not certify their results. He says that Joe Biden will be certified as the winner. www.google.com/.../...awmakers-meet-with-trump.amp And the Secretary of State if Michigan stated that he intends to certify the election results for joe Biden. Also the department of cyber security is not biased on way or the other. It’s literally their job to decide if an election was secure. Also their officials were appointed by the trump administration. And they still said this election is the most secure we’ve ever had. This is not just a baseless opinion of theirs , it’s the conclusion they reached after investigation. You haven’t given any evidence actually only opinions from a select few republican congressman or state congressmen. That’s not evidence...
Also please name one state or federal election official that has said definitively that there has been evidence of widespread fraud in their state. Just one. Because so far you haven’t been able to do that.
@Mishan97 -A total of over 173,000 votes labeled as AVCB (Absentee ballots) have no voter registration. -149K vote dump at 4:30AM ET … with 3% for Trump.-They did NOT do it this way in the primaries.www.waynecounty.com/.../election-results.aspx-Michigan Board of Canvassers refused to certify Wayne County after "absentee ballot poll books at 70% of Detroit's 134 absentee counting boards were found to be out of balance without explanation. www.detroitnews.com/.../-They then certified the vote after threats and doxxing. But now they asked to rescind their votes, saying they were bullied into certifying the election.www.freep.com/.../-Michigan already had problems with mail-in ballots earlier in the August 4 primaries, when 6,400 mail-in/absentee ballots had to be thrown out, including 846 ballots from dead voters. www.detroitnews.com/.../-A glitch in Antrim County flipped 6,000 votes blue when the clerk forgot to update the software. www.freep.com/.../-47 other Michigan counties used this same Dominion software. www.9and10news.com/.../michigan.maps.arcgis.com/.../index.html-Another "glitch" in Oakland County led officials to declare a Democrat the winner, only to switch the win back to an incumbent Republican (Adam Kochenderfer) a day later by over 1,000 votes. www.freep.com/.../-Mykale "Kelly" Garret, worked as Dominion's Project Manager, then worked at Michigan's Democratic Party headquarters as a Deputy Director, and is now Mayor of Lathrup Village, Michigan.thenationalpulse.com/breaking/dominion-manager-mi/-In Detroit, the absentee ballot counters covered windows so people couldn't watch them.-Early morning after election night there was a huge dump of ballots for Biden: 150,000 votes in the batch, but less than 6,000 for Trump.mobile.twitter.com/.../1325628105252286468?s=20
First of all, to receive an absentee ballot you have to be registered to vote so that’s false. 2nd, those aren’t “vote dumps”, it’s called counting the votes. How else are they supposed to know who won unless the count the ballots? Like hello that’s common sense. And the reason why Biden got more and more votes as they counted the mail ins was because they counted the mail in ballots last, and of course majority of those were going to be for Biden because trump discouraged his base from voting via mail in ballots so majority of his voters voted in person and their ballots were counted first. also, those ballots were coming in from heavily democratic areas, so again it’s obvious that majority were going to be for Biden. Also, the ballots that were thrown out during the primary were thrown out over technicalities like a missing signature or because the person had moved. This is NOT evidence of fraud and is in fact actually evidence of how secure the system is because any ballot that does not fulfill all requirements such as a signature, etc are not counted. Also the ballots that were thrown out from dead people were because they died after they had cast their mail in ballot. Not because someone tried to cast a ballot for someone who was already dead. Also about the software glitch, the article you linked clearly states that the error was not the fault of the voting machines. The article very clearly states that all the ballots were correctly tabulated by the machines and software. The error was a result of a county clerk failing to update the software which resulted in a few thousand votes going uncounted. Again, this is the result of human error, not fraud. And this is why we do recounts before officially certifying the results. Luckily for Biden, Michigan did a thorough recount and audit before they certified the results of joe Biden today :).
@Mishan97 " Luckily for Biden, Michigan did a thorough recount and audit before they certified the results of joe Biden today".. They can't certify the votes because 2 officials rescinded the vote.. So I don't know where you get it that they can certify in Wayne County, and in the instance Biden can't win Michigan.. As for the rest of what you said.. That's just you explainin away obviously evidence.. Also I know that that's what they said, they needed to update the software not vote for Biden? 😂😂😂.. They clearly made the machine to vote for Biden.. 😂😂.."Also the ballots that were thrown out from dead people were because they died after they had cast their mail in ball"... Oh boy.. I don't know if you makin this stuff up, or gettin from some lyin mainstream media site.. Most likely makin it up.. 800+ people happened to die right before the election.. Get outta here.. 😂😂😂.. But like I said, either you have Trump Darangement syndrome, or you were involved in the cheatin scandal for Joe Biden.. Cause you are makin too many excuses and just straight out lies..
@Mishan97 Also they didn't do an audit in Michigan nor did they do one in Georgia either.. to the point where the Governor is also sayin for Georgia to do an audit.. Because they just recounted the same votes they already had.. So yeah.. But keep goin.. You'll get to the truth one day.. 😌😎👍..
Are u dumb cause it’s common knowledge that Michigan certified their results for Biden today. And Georgia did an audit before they certified their results for Biden too. And don’t u think that if any of the “evidence” you provided was actually indicative of fraud that trump would’ve been able to use that in court? Cause in court his lawsuits were thrown out for lack of evidence so obviously none of those things u listed out were indicative of fraud. Even trumps administration is starting to give up because today they finally said they are going to begin the formal transition process so Biden can prepare for his presidency. In total trump lost 34 lawsuits. And he’s rich so naturally he had the best lawyers working for him. If those accomplished and intelligent lawyers were unable to provide any substantive evidence and had 34 of their lawsuits thrown out does not tell you something? Bro this is common sense. You’re embarrassing yourself at this point.
Also 800+ people dying during a pandemic in a populous city&its surrounding areas is not that improbable. Sooo you sound like an idiot no offense because the only case so far of someone pretending to be a dead person to vote twice was a trump supporter who pretended to vote for trump twice by casting a ballot for his dead grandmother. This was in Pennsylvania.
@Mishan97 Michigan did it certify.. Tell me where they did.. Cause they surely didn't.. And Georgia didn't do audits.. They only did a recount even of the ballots they had even after the time they should have stopped counting.. When all the states saw that Trump might when they said they would stop counting, and all of a sudden they find ballots at 4am mostly for Biden. And you can mention the "Oh mail in ballots" all you want.. You obviously don't know how counting works.. Not to mention all the problems they are having with the Dominon machines.. And all the evidence I provided was proof.. You either didn't know how to read it so you skipped it, and the ones you felt like you could explain away you did. Even though your explanation is so far away from how the system works its not even funny. So Joe Biden got more votes than Obama and Hilary? He did worse than Hilary in every other county except the swing state counties where he got just enough over Trump for him to win.. Trump had Pennsylvania by a large margin, and had Georgia by a decent margin and some other states but all of a sudden an influx of ballots come in and give Joe the lead? That stuff doesn't add up.. And voting irregularities are happenin but only for Joe Biden.. Not to mention Michigan had 173K unregistered votes.. Like votes that nobody claimed.. All for Biden by the way.. So yeah there's plenty of evidence..
@Mishan97 Michigan didn't**.. And get outta here with the Covid excuse.. Covid didn't kill 800 people right before that election.. 😂😂.. That's the silliest explanation I heard. They didn't even give the explanation.. You are makin up things on their behalf..
I’m not saying all 800 people died from Covid but you’re saying it’s improbably when it’s really not improbable at all considered there’s a pandemic going on..& yes Michigan did certify yesterday. Are you not caught up on the news? Here are 4 different sources that all say Michigan certified yesterday. It’s common knowledge. I’m surprised you’re so uninformed you don’t even know.www.google.com/.../...certify-election-results.ampwww.google.com/.../index.htmlwww.google.com/.../527255-michigan-election-board-certifies-biden-win%3fampwww.google.com/.../6390475002
Also Georgia did do an audit. Both the Secretary of State and the governor confirmed they did a full recount by hand as well as an audit and even after al that, Biden still had majority of the vote and so Georgie certified their state results for Biden last week. The Georgia governor thinks there should be a second sample audit, but there already has been one audit already completed, which is why they were able to certify their results.Here’s 2 sources saying so:www.google.com/.../index.htmlwww.google.com/.../526368-georgia-secretary-of-state-says-voting-machine-audit-is-complete-no-sign%3famp
And also the reason Biden got more votes than Hillary or Obama was because this election had the highest voter turn out in history, so if more people in general turned out to vote then of course the number of votes for each candidate is going to be higher than previous elections. Again, this is common sense. Also, like I said before, if what you provided is proof (it isn’t because I read the articles you linked and none of them prove fraud. At best they prove human error) then why haven’t trumps lawyers, who are much smarter and more knowledgeable about the law process than either of us, been able to use your so-called evidence in court? Because in court his lawyers were forced to admit they had no evidence which is why 34 of his lawsuits have been thrown out. In fact, his latest lawsuit in Pennsylvania was thrown out by a conservative judge. So obviously this isn’t some democratic conspiracy. Do you seriously think you know something his own lawyers don’t? Like are you really that delusional?
@Mishan97 www.google.com/.../gov.georgia.gov/.../governor-kemp-formalizes-election-certification-calls-signature-auditThere was no audit.. They did a hand recount of the votes that even came in after 8pm.. The government wants a real audit.. Alsl there are still lawsuits bein filed in Georgia..Also you linked me to CNN? The network known for the Russian collusion hoax and discreditin Trump every step of the way? 😂😂😂..And I was wrong Michigan did certify but only after certifyin, and then not certifying because of the 2 Republicans that was bullied into certifying, and then certifying again.. That alone should tell somethin ain't write.. They still gave signed affidavits that they were doxxed and bullied to certify.. "And also the reason Biden got more votes than Hillary or Obama was because this election had the highest voter turn out in history.".. No it didn't.. 😂😂.. Biden did worst than Obama and Hilary in all other counties.. He underperformed, and yet he only in swing states did he overperform.. If you don't think that's at least suspicious then you obviously have strong TDS.. That's a mathematical impossibility.. And I didn't say what I provided was proof but evidence.. Those are 2 different things.. And Trumps lawyers are just beginnin to file the lawsuits where it matters and people even Republicans are most likely all in on it.. And no his lawyers weren't forced to admit that.. The mainstream media is lied about so much so why would I believe anything they say now? They were quick to call Biden is president even when lawsuits are still happenin and it hasn't been legally declared yet.. They call him President elect when he is not.. They give him states that were not done countin and hold off on givin Trump states that he clearly was far ahead in and they were panickin on the night of the election and all the swing states stopped counting, and then all of a sudden they find votes..
There was an audit but he’s saying they can do a second signature audit. Georgia law states that before certifying they have to do an audit anyways. And since they certified that means they did an audit. And umm I’m talking about over all. Biden got the highest popular vote in history because the voter turn out was the highest in history. So he did get a higher popular vote than both Obama and Hillary. You’re literally not even making sense at this point and you keep contradicting yourself. You said Michigan didn’t certify when they obviously did and now you’re saying Georgia didn’t do an audit. Did you even read the link you provided? Cause the link YOU provided literally says that Georgia did an audit. If you read the actual writing and not just the headline, it says Georgia did an audit but that audit did not look at the signatures which is why the governor would like to do a second sample audit which audits the signatures. & about what I said about the lawyers saying they had no evidence in court... that isn’t something the mainstream media reported. That’s straight from the court transcripts. As lawyers they can’t lie under oath/commit perjury or they’ll get disbarred and lose their job which is why in court they had to admit that they had no evidence when the judge asked them if they had any evidence. “What i gave is not proof but rather evidence”.. umm what? It’s not evidence OR proof because again, what you provided were just affidavits. There was no hard evidence backing up those affidavits, rendering them useless. & actually trump has not just started filing the “important” lawsuits. He withdrew/dropped several recently.
@Mishan97 There was no audit otherwise he wouldn't be sayin that they should do a proper examine.. If there was an actual audit he wouldn't be asking for a "second" audit.. They simply did a recount not an audit.. And no he didn't.. In most counties he did worse than Hilary only in the swing states did he overperform.. "You’re literally not even making sense at this point and you keep contradicting yourself. You said Michigan didn’t certify when they obviously did and now you’re saying Georgia didn’t do an audit. ".. Stop grasping at straws.. I clearly said I was wrong that Michigan didn't certify only cause I thought the GOP if Michigan held the vote back but one voted to certify the vote.. Shame on them.. And how am I contradiction myself? 😂😂.. I stand by what I say that Georgia didn't do an audit.. And I did actually read it and it wasn't to prove that Georgia didn't do an audit but that the Governor request a real signature audit.. They say they did an audit but they still found errors in the ballots.. Meanin they just went over them recounted them and decided that that's enough to certify.. Meanwhile the Governor while he certified the results, wants an audit of signatures which is kina funny but whatever.. I don't see any "second sample audit" phrases though.. Is that one you just made up?
@Mishan97 As for that statement you made I would like to see evidence those transcripts and them sayin that.. Otherwise Misinformation.. Also there are some lawyer groups in Trumps administration.. Hos. main lawyers Ruby Juliani and Jenna Ellis haven't reported anything like that.. And yes there is a different between proof and evidence.. The Affidavits are evidence what are you talkin about.. They are sworned testimony and if you are caught lyin you commit perjury which is 10 years in prison, so they are def evidence.. Not to mention a lot of them are detailed.. 😂😂.. I like how you downplay Affidavits as if they are just "word of mouth".. And while that may be true he is appealing them also.. And Alan Dershowitz said that that's how he could win..
The article u linked literally says they already did an audit. I never denied that the governor wanted to do a second audit but they already did an audit and in my earlier replies I provided links that showed they did an audit in Georgia. Even your own source backs up what I’m saying. And yes here is the court transcript where his lawyers state they have no evidence. Also, again you keep bringing up counties, etc. I never said that he might have underperformed in a few counties. But overall, he got a higher popular vote than both Hillary and Obama. This is because there was a higher voter turn out in general. More people voted in this election than in any other election, so of course Biden got 80+ million votes. Your argument doesn’t even make sense like I’m not even sure what point you are trying to make because everything you type out is incoherent. You haven’t made a single valid point this whole time and again you keep contradicting yourself...
Marxist, indoctrinated students. There was a reason the bill was held hostage. Pelosi stuffing it with warped policy views that had nothing to do with Covid. Look it up.
How do you determine "big chances" of something without any actual evidence? Your gut feeling? Yeah, that sounds reasonable..
I posted a link. Did you even open it? That's evidence.
It seems more like you didn't read your own link, lol.
I did. Do you know what it says?
It's about nine (seriously?) ballots. The article says "[...] but the state’s top election official on Wednesday reiterated that an election worker’s decision to throw out the ballots was a mistake and not “intentional fraud"." and "[...] but from the initial reports we’ve been given, this was a bad error".And then:"“This is clear politicization of the Justice Department’s work in the middle of an active general election,” Kristen Clarke, executive director of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, said in response to the investigation. “It seemed like a thinly veiled attempt to breathe life into President Trump’s false claims about mail ballot fraud.”"
Your own article says it's bullshit. You moron.
It doesn't matter what someone says. Actions matter not words. The ballots that were in the trash were of Trump, not of Biden.
OMG even the title of the article says "Pennsylvania Election Chief Refutes Trump’s Claim That Nine ‘Discarded’ Ballots Were Election Fraud". Dude! The whole article is about REFUTING these bullshit claims. You are a fucking moron. Hahaha.
He refutes doesn't mean that the ballots belonging to Trump weren't discarded. Again you moron - "ACTIONS MATTER NOT WORDS!"
Yeah, those actions were most likely some error, apparently But even if it wasn't, this is about nine fucking ballots, what kind of "voter fraud" would that even be? lolBut hey, let's make this simple for you simpleton. If there's any evidence, it will be presented in court! I'll get back to you then, okay? :) Can't wait to see what conspiracy theory you have for me then as an excuse why none of these claims will go anywhere. I'm sure you'll have something for me!
I'll be waiting then.
Dude stop feeding the trolls
He hasn't won yet. 4 states are still counting, 2 are auditing the vote, and there is massive evidence of voter fraud. The media just decided to "declare" Biden winner.
@genuinlysensitive Well it's eventually going to the Supreme Court, but even if any of the incongruities that exist can be proven to be fraud, l don't believe it's going to swing enough Electoral College votes in Trump's favor. In reality, Pennsylvania and Georgia are really the only true big time shit shows, and I believe that the Supreme Court will agree. In the other states like Michigan and Nevada, the incongruities (whether proven to be incompetence or fraud) are not wide spread enough to make a difference. They should all still be investigated though, to ensure the integrity of future elections.At the end of the day, the flipping of Arizona, Michigan, and Wisconsin will be the difference. Like I said, there's nothing stopping Trump from coming back in 2024, and if that's the case, he'll have one hell of a platform to run on after all of this.
When you say his "misogyny" you mean Biden, right?
actually by voter exit polls he gained among women this time. the only group he lost points with was white men
I wonder what excuses you delusional clowns will have once Biden is officially elected president. I'm sure you'll have the next conspiracy for us that explains it. Oh well, I will get back to this comment once it's over. :)
@MountAverage. I've always felt that applying name calling to a debate is an admission of defeat.
Biden will be Amendment 25'd out in less than a year by his own people due to dementia. He is a sock puppet.
It's not even name calling, it's just the most accurate description of you people. You are by very defintion delusion, and you act like clowns.Wait a second, I thought you're sure the courts will decide in Trump's favor? Now you're talking about what you think will happen once Biden is president. So, what is it now? 😅
@MountAverage. Its called running different scenarios.
You wanna know what my biggest issue is with you people? You're not being honest. Not with us, not even with yourselves. You're disingenuous. I'll explain. So you say Biden is too old and has dementia. Okay, fair enough. But...1) Trump is almost the same age, but okay...2) For four years we've listened to Trump speak. He speaks like a literal 5 year old who hasn't learned the language properly yet. He rarely speaks in full sentences, his grammar is awful, his articulation skills are non-existing. Like, I'm not even exaggerating when I say there's little children with better articulation. He just doesn't know how to speak. And this is entirely disregarding WHAT he's saying. There's politicians I absolutely despise, but I still recognize they are/were brilliant speakers. And even the most die hard Obama haters would have to admit he was a brilliant speaker, if they're being honest. And conversely, you people need to acknowledge that Trump is one of the worst speakers in American history. If you weren't so incredibly disingenuous, you'd have to agree that Trump speaks like a confused monkey. But you don't. Instead you call Biden "sleepy" and senile because he slips a couple of times during some of his speeches. In the past few days alone Biden has proven himself to be an excellent speaker, actually, whether you agree with what he said or not.3) If Biden had tweeted something like "cofveve" or any had said any of the countless nonsensical things Trump has said in the past few years, just once, it would be reason enough for you to foever deem him us unfit. But Trump? He produces this confused nonsense 24/7 nonstop for four years, and you're still okay with it.That is the biggest disingenuity possible. And that's why you Trumpists have no credibility. Because you're cult followers, in the most literal sense.
I agree with the other commentator. If you seriously think there was widespread voter fraud then why can’t anyone provide substantial proof? Even Fox News, which is very right leaning, has said there is 0 evidence of widespread voter fraud. Several of trumps lawsuits have already been dismissed at the state level for lack of evidence. And please explain to me this, if there was widespread voter fraud then why didn’t Democrat’s win the senate and house as well as the presidency? After all, the congressional candidates were on the same exact ballots as the presidential candidates: & why is it that there is only fraud in the states trump lost? Do you really find it hard to believe that trump lost Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan when these states have substantial democratic populations? & do u really find it hard to believe why trump lost Arizona and Georgia after he insulted John McCain and John Lewis?
So funny that Republicans these two cases are comparable 😂. Gore vs Bush hinges solely on the state of Florida and there was a slim difference of 500 votes which would’ve tipped the result one way or the other. In trumps case, he has lost by 4 states and nearly 5 million votes. Even if Supreme Court overturned the result for one of these 4 states, Biden will still have an electoral college victory.
@Mishan97 be warned, this is the first election we used mail in ballots and there is lots wrong with them. its a non zero probability that we might throw 100s of thousands of ballots outthe scotus will decide
She is right this case has little to do with 2000, other than the media once again jumped the gun and declared a democrat president who was not. Some kind of pattern here. Also there is the massive proof of voter fraud in at least 6 states. Also the fact that 4 are STILL counting votes and 2 are auditing the results. Also:But its not like the media is Biased for democrats, right?
It probably won’t even make it to the scotus since his cases are already being dismissed at the state level for lack of evidence😂 sure it’s easy to say mail in ballots are fraudulent but where’s your proof? There is a vigorous process in place to verify each mail in ballot to make sure that a) it is credible and b) one person didn’t vote twice. That’s why it took so long to count the mail in ballots because they had to make sure they were valid. Mail isn’t this crazy new concept by the way. Absentee mail in ballots have been used for years. The only difference is that this year the sheer volume of those who chose to vote via absentee ballot is much greater than previous years hence why it took so much longer to count the votes. You triumpies should really start using ur brains sometimes
@Mishan97 any case you found "dismissed" was probably picked up by a higher court. you are the type of easily fooled woman who reads a headline and goes "yup i know enough" you don't FOLLOW stories
“Probably” LMAO. Instead of telling me what “probably” happened why don’t you tell me what actually happened? Don’t call me a fool when u don’t even know how courts work😂 if a case is dismissed at the state level it doesn’t just move up to a higher court. If it gets dismissed for lack of evidence the one who is pursuing the lawsuit/case must come up with evidence before presenting the case again. The only way a case will move to a higher court is if the lower level court makes a decision, & if the party filing the case/lawsuit finds that decision unsatisfactory, they appeal it to a higher court so that the higher court may then come to their own decision and overturn the decision of the lower court. You’re welcome for the lesson.
@Mishan97 well there is no other way to someone who says "aaah his court cases were dismissed" without speaking about each one individually or saying which one it wasthey weren't dismissed, you just repeat the first headline you hear. the media lies to you
Okay then why haven’t you provided any evidence showing that I was wrong about his lawsuits getting dismissed? Because here, I can provide evidence that prove they DID get dismissed & that his claims were found by the court to be “baseless” www.npr.org/.../the-trump-campaign-has-had-almost-no-legal-success-this-month-heres-what-they-ve
If you read the link provided, it’s clear that his lawsuits have failed at proving any type of voter fraud & that no evidence was found to support his claims of widespread voter fraud. The only thing trump has achieved with his various legal battles is that he got Philadelphia to segregate the mail in ballots that arrived late from the rest of the ballots. However, that ultimately made no difference in the final election result. Just admit your candidate lost. There’s nothing shameful about supporting a candidate who lost. But there’s a lot shameful about claiming to be a patriot and at the same time insulting the democratic institutions that this country prides itself on.
@Mishan97 your own link says "almost no" and its npr... its not a non biased or trustworthy sourcealso: its too early to tell. which is why a reputable journalistic outlet would not publish anything on this subject yet
The almost is because of the small win in Philadelphia which I explained. Also NPR is not biased & it is trustworthy😂. What ulterior agenda would NPR have? You can’t just call a source biased because you don’t like what it says. Also you have to provide me any sources that shows there is evidence of widespread fraud.
Also when I say small win, I mean that from a legal standpoint. Like I said earlier, the segregation of the late mailed in ballots had no impact on the results.
Also here is NPR’s rating on how biased it is. After 3rd party evaluations NPR was found to be “center” meaning it is not biased towards the left or right. www.allsides.com/news-source/npr-media-bias
@Mishan97 all sides is also not a trustworthy sourceyou can't verify an untrustworthy source with... another untrustworthy source
How is not untrustworthy? Oh cause it’s not a right wing propaganda site? All sides has no political allegiance they call out left biased media for being biased as much as they call out right biased media.You’re just mad that no credible source backs up your argumentz
@Mishan97 its not that its untrustworthy, its that you are easily succeptible to lies because you think its neutral. NPR is left wing; it is not neutraltherefore you are easily fooled by it and don't read it with the skepticism and critical nature you should
There is no nuance when it comes to facts. The article I linked was not an opinion piece. It was simply a summary of the results of trumps ongoing lawsuits so far. They simply reported the judges rulings in his lawsuits. There is no right or left about that. You are seriously incredibly dumb.
@Mishan97 "there's no nuance when it comes to facts" well sure if you just label things facts and stop thinking
I’m talking about when it comes to court cases. In court, when a judge makes a decision THATS A FACT!! In court, if a lawyer says something under oath then it is taken as FACT! Like hello the journalist isn’t just making up what the judge and lawyers said out of thin air. They are simply reporting to the public what was said. It’s so funny to me how you try to be condescending and act as if you are smart or that your argument makes any sense when in reality you know you’re wrong and just can’t admit that you are wrong.
@Mishan97 sure sure the "journalist" isn't making things up... but they are lying by omission, taking "facts" out of context and using framing devices and specific word choices to make you have pre conceived notions about the "facts"your more easily fooled than you realize
Did you even read the article or not? Also so funny a TRUMP supporter is telling me I’m easily fooled😂😂 let me try to explain this in a way you might understand. When ESPN is reporting a football game, when the commentator is explaining who he thinks is gonna win or who is doing well, that is opinion and is biased and the viewer should take into account that the commentators assessment might be biased. But when ESPN is simply stating the score and how many points each side has, that is not opinion or nuanced commentary. It is simply a fact of how things are so far. Similarly, the article I linked does not comment on whether the author thinks trump is making up the fraud allegations. It’s simply stating the fact that he has had very few legal victories and that the few legal victories he has had do not indicate voter fraud, nor are they likely to change the result of the election. Another indisputable fact, which is on record, is what trumps own lawyers have said under oath. & what his lawyers have said UNDER OATH is that they do not have evidence of voter fraud. The conspiracy theories that trump is spouting on twitter do not line up with what is going on with his lawsuits. Instead of assuming everyone else is gullible, you should do some introspection and realize that you are in fact the gullible one. You are believing what trump is tweeting instead of believing what his OWN lawyers and legal team is saying in court. Again, just so you know, is own legal team has no reason to lie under oath, and they would not risk disbarrment by lying. If his OWN lawyers are saying that they have no evidence of voter fraud, and you have yet to show me one conclusive, concrete source of evidence of fraud, then the natural conclusion is that there is no fraud right? Just because trump said something doesn’t make it fact. He’s no god. Stop acting like he is and for once use your own brain to think critically instead of blindly believing what he says.
@Mishan97 you think trump supporters are easily fooled? they have the most balanced media diet and cross the isle regularly. Trump kept every promise to us. he built a wall, reduced troop counts abroad, made new trade deals, appointed judges, raised wages and brought 100s of thousands of manufacturing jobs backyou can be overly literal to try and prove that stuff wrong like "oh he said mexico would PAY for the wall like you children always do, but barring overly literal readings that no honest person would make yea he kept every promise he made on his campign... the media industrial complex, wallstreet, and the military industrial complex have conspired against him, you know why? cuz he's a hero of the working class.that's why i'm here pointing out to you that the legal battles aren't over and your "facts" are subjective and trivial myopic statements from biased articles. you literally can't tell what a fact is anymore, they brainwashed you
Is your comment satire or are you really that dumb? If anyone is brainwashed it’s you because you’re choosing to believe tweets & conspiracy theories over actual judicial rulings. The argument was that there was voter fraud. I showed you how trump’s own lawyers, who are on his side, themselves said that there is no evidence of fraud. & that judges have thrown out most of his lawsuits save for the one in Pennsylvania about the segregated ballots (which anyways were not included in the final count). These are all indisputable facts. This is what happened in the court. It’s not a matter of opinion, it’s simply what has happened. & still you have yet to show me one single conclusive piece of evidence to back up your claim of voter fraud and a stolen election. Yet you call me brainwashed, when you are believing conspiracy theories even though you have no evidence to back up these theories. So far all you’ve said is conjecture. I actually gave concrete evidence of what has happened so far and what it indicates about the legitimacy of the election. As for what trump has achieved so far, that’s up for debate. If you believe that he’s made your life better and that he has made good on his promises, that’s your right to believe so. But, your claim that trump supporters have the most balanced media diet is laughable. Majority just read right wing propaganda outlets and anything that doesn’t match up with their beliefs, they dismiss as “fake news”.
Here’s an article with Direct quotes from trump’s *own* legal teamwww.google.com/.../trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267Again: after 3rd party analysis Wall Street journal was found to be a source that leans to neither the right nor left: www.allsides.com/.../wall-street-journal-media-bias& I know you said all sides is somehow not trust, worthy but that is simply not true. They call out CNN MSNCB, NEw York times for being left biased which is why I didn’t use those sources. They have a scientific system to measure bias, so if you are still unsure that they have a method to measuring bias here is their method:www.allsides.com/.../media-bias-rating-methodsAt this point I have backed up my argument with plenty of fact and sources. And you still have provided a grand total of 0.
@Mishan97 did you read your own story or just the first paragraph? it has a paywall up and i'm not paying to read ityes all sides is biased, calling out a few mild left wing examples does not disprove that. infact its a little trick they play on you. they sacrifice a few of their own to increase credibility90% of all media companies are owned by 6 groups, they are all working together as tools of the 1%
I read the whole story. That’s weird cause there wasn’t a pay wall for me. But all sides uses a scientific method to determine bias. It doesn’t just decide at random which publication is classified as left leaning or right leaning. They use double blind surveys and ask people to rate how biased articles from a source are without revealing the source name. They survey people who fall on all parts of the political spectrum. In addition to that they use third party analysis and independent reviews to supplement these surveys. What is your method for determining bias? Is it just claiming that any article that goes against your personal view is “false news”? hmm I think a scientific, statistical method is a much more trust worthy way of determining bias. Wouldn’t you agree? Also since the Wall Street article wasn’t working, here is a transcript of what trumps attorney said in court. Again, these are DIRECT QUOTES from trump’s lawyers. This is what they said under oath, and it’s on record. This is not something a journalist made up. Again, since you seem a little slow when it comes to these things, I’m going to repeat that these are *direct quotations* from trump’s own legal team where they say they have no evidence of voter fraud. Additionally, trump’s legal team has had to withdraw several of their lawsuits because the courts said that they lacked sufficient evidence. www.google.com/.../trump-campaign-lawsuits-election-results-2020-11%3fampNow, wasn’t it you trump supporters who kept shouting that the media doesn’t decide the elections, the courts do? Well it seems like the courts have decided that trump’s claims are baseless. If his own lawyers are saying there is no evidence of widespread fraud, if his cases are being tossed out by both democrat & republican appointed judges, then it’s obvious that there was no widespread systemic fraud and Biden won fair and square.
@Mishan97 that's not a scientific method. surveys are not science. its just psychology75% of all published psychology studies cannot be reproduced www.theguardian.com/.../study-delivers-bleak-verdict-on-validity-of-psychology-experiment-results the methodology of asking people if they think an article is biased or to rate something doesn't work. you're not measuring how well they did, you're measuring how hard they triedthey're wrong, NPR leans left, they don't survey the right people, they don't survey a broad enough area.so not only do you not know how to consume news but you also don't know what science is
It’s not psychology, it’s a matter of statistical analysis. What may drive someone to rate an article as left leaning or right leaning is obviously psychological but when preparing data to see how often something was rated as left, right, or center the “science” involved refers to the statistical method used. The have to normalize the data so it more accurately reflects the general population.
And again, you said it leans left. What’s YOUR method for reaching this conclusion? Is it just that you didn’t like what the article said? Anyways whether npr leans right or left is besides the point. I gave a quote directly from the court transcript. This is a primary source not a secondary source like an article. Trump’s own lawyer is on record saying he has no evidence. So there it is. You can’t deny the facts. Those words came straight from his legal team. The reason there is such disparity between what trump is tweeting and what his legal team is saying in court is because his lawyers can’t lie under oath or the risk committing perjury. Trump can lie on Twitter all he wants. At the end of the day, what matters is what the court decides and the courts have decided that trump has no evidence of fraud. So disregard the articles if you don’t like what they say. But you can’t disregard what trumps own legal team has said.
Now that it’s become clear that trump has fooled you with his conspiracy theories, will you finally admit that Biden is the next president? I mean trumps own lawyers are on record saying there is no evidence of widespread fraud. Whatever few legal battles trump has won have been on the basis of mere technicalities such has ballots arriving too late or having mismatched signatures. These don’t indicate fraud. And it certainly isn’t impactful enough to reverse the election results. You guys look incredibly stupid yelling “fraud!” with absolutely 0 evidence to back it up. If you’re STILL not gonna admit that trump has no case here, then you’re straight up just an idiot. You know you can still support trump and his politics policies without buying into every little unfounded theory he shouts off?
@Mishan97 nothing has become clear, the issue is not settled. mail in voting is uniquely untrustworthywhat are you viewing where you think the issue is settled?you know what? you don't know how to view news. here is my primary news source (though i have dozens) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BImwrQi8KnEas ben says; the story is not over, we don't have enough evidence of fraud to say the election will swing in trump's favor but we were told a recount would only show 100 or so votes different, in georgia alone in the past 2 days it has swung the vote several thousand in trump's favor. So we just don't know yetdoesn't look like trump will win that way, but either way you don't know how to view news
A YouTube video is not a promary source 😂😂😂 omg you’re a joke and you’re clearly brainwashed. I tried to help but you’re beyond help. Keep listening to YouTube videos instead of looking at what the actual court transaction says.Never seen such stupidity in my life holy shit😂😂😂😂
@Mishan97 you don't even know what sources are lolyoutube is not a source, but a medium for sources. the source is the channel; the video itselfyes a video can be a source, its about whats IN ITyou're really poorly educated its astounding
YouTube video is not a primary source omg you’re a joke and you’re clearly brainwashed. I tried to help but you’re beyond help. Keep listening to YouTube videos instead of looking at what the actual court transcript says.Never seen such stupidity in my life holy shitReply
Also, Georgia is expected to release the results of the recount today and Biden is leading by 14,000 points. Also, you were arguing that there is voter fraud. Recount is not indicative of voter fraud. In act recounts are common when election margins are narrow. They’re not expected to overturn results it’s just a formality. Let’s give Ben the benefit of the doubt and so okay trump got 2,000 additional votes after the recount (this isn’t even true but I’m going all with you because you’re too stupid to argue with tbh) when Biden is leading by 14,000 it won’t make a difference.
You said it was a “primary@l” source. If you went to middle school you’d know that by definition a primary source is a first hand account like a transcript, etc. there is no analysis or interpretation. Ben Shapiro’s video is a secondary source cause he’s providing his analysis and interpretation of the events. Did you even graduate middle school?
@Mishan97 yes it is true that the georgia recount has added 2000+ votes to trump in multiple countiesthe rest of your post is a semantic argument "oh that's not FRAUD"
Also, to add, your argument from the start was that there was rampant voter fraud with the mail in ballots. Even Ben Shapiro doesn’t agree with you on this. He said there isn’t evidence of widespread fraud which has been my argument from the beginning. Trump did not gain several thousand votes in Georgia like you said. He gained a little over 1,000, about 1,330. Again, this is irrelevant when you take into account that Biden’s lead was already over 14,000. Now it’s is 12,781. He still won the state. And even without Georgia he’d still be president because he still has 290 electoral votes without Georgia. Also, the additional 1,330 votes trump gained in the audit were from missing ballots, memory chips that had not been entered. This was due to human error not “fraud” like trump has been claiming. Even your own biased sources do not support your initial claim that “there’s lot wrong with the mail in ballots, there’s a non zero probability that 100s of thousands of them will be thrown out”. Ummm Yeahh that was just complete bullshit. You might be among the dumbest people I’ve ever had a conversation with. The funniest part is I’m pretty sure you think you’re smart😂😂 it just makes it all funnier to me.
Umm arguing whether or not there was fraud isn’t semantics. Claiming fraud is a serious allegation and threatens public trust in our democratic process. This is incredibly harmful to any democracy. And trump was claiming fraud with 0 evidence. That’s not an issue if semantics. You just keep back tracking your argument cause you have too much of an ego to say you were wrong. If you’re gonna have such an ego then you can’t afford to be as dumb as you are. Trump and you were saying the mail in ballots were fraudulent. Now you’re using the Georgia recount to back up your assertions. The added ballots in Georgia were not a result of mail in ballots being thrown out because they were fraudulent, they were a result of human error because uncounted ballots had been in uncovered. Again, not enough to over turn the election. And yes making this distinction is important because it is deeply irresponsible to undermine the democratic process and the legitimacy of our elections when it’s been clear that this election has not been fair and legitimate. No fraud found whatsoever. Even Ben Shapiro agrees with me on that.
Meant to say it *has been fair and legitimateMade a typo oops
@Mishan97 the question of if there was fraud is not a question at all, it existsis it enough to swing the election? we don't know yet.but fraud isn't the only issue here; for example trump's PA lawsuit is about 14th amendment violations, that's the one that could get 400k votes thrown out. has nothing to do with fraudbut seriously; zero evidence? you're so uninformed you think there is ZERO evidence of fraud? you're uninformed
You’ve shown me zero evidence, even your source says so far fraud has not been proven, like I stated a billion times before, his own lawyers said in court they have no evidence of fraud, so yeah the natural conclusion is that there is no fraud. Also, could you show me PA lawsuit that you are referencing?
Like a link to an article that backs up what you are saying, something like that
Also trumps lawyers have dropped most of their cases. www.google.com/.../index.htmlIf they had a case for fraud, why would they drop their lawsuits? Wouldn’t they intend to go through with it? My theory is that trump knew from the start there was no fraud. Personally, I don’t think he’s stupid enough to actually think this was a fraudulent election. He knows what he’s doing. His objective was to sow doubt about the election process and our democracy. To intentionally try to undermine our democracy is so harmful and is reminiscent of authoritarians/dictators. & looks as if he has succeeded in sowing doubt about our democratic processes because gullible people like you are just eating it right up. You are eating it right up without any evidence. And when I showed the abundant evidence that proved there was no fraud, you kept shouting “fake news”! “Bias”! As you trumpies usually do. And then you proceeded to send me a Ben Shapiro video 😂😂 as if Ben Shapiro has no bias at all.You are too funny
The lawsuit in Michigan was dropped because it was no longer necessary, as were the others. Again you refuse to say what a "primary" or "credible" source is, so I am beginning to beleive any "credible" or "primary" source in YOUR eyes is anything that is anti-Trump.
@genuinlysensitive I gave the definition for a primary source. It’s a source that is a first hand account without analysis or commentary. Aka the court transcripts where trumps lawyers admit they have no evidence of fraud. And a credible source In my opinion is a source from a reputable journalistic publication.
@genuinlysensitive and the lawsuit in Michigan was dropped because the GOP lawmakers in Michigan told trump that he had no case😂😂
More like FRUAD!
He hasn't lost. 4 states are still counting 2 recounting, and there is the matter of the massive voter fraud.
@genuinlysensitive if it helps you trumptards sleep at night.
he did build a wall. a huge amount was replaced with 30 foot barriers from previously 1 foot high markers, he did end daca, the court stopped him
what mismanagement?economy? did amazing and we saw real wage growth foreign affairs? literally peace deals in the middle east and renegotiated half our trade portfoliocoronavirus? one of the lowest deaths per capita in the world and the 2nd lowest mortality rate (keep in mind this is in reported cases, many countries are lying/too poor to tell so in reality its far better for americaseriously. what mismanagement?
@007kingifrit What about the Climate agreement or the Iran Nuclear deal for example. We’re one of the few countries no longer signed up for this agreement and the US have withdrawn from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. In what world is that good diplomacy?And the thing is that with regards to the Coronavirus, how have other countries managed to slow down the spread, yet we haven’t slowed it down yet? Why have test kits not been wide spread? And why isn’t there a greater initiative to social distance whenever possible?
Also his response to the protest is not adequate to say the least.
do you know anything about the paris climate agreement? have you read it? here watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVkAsPizAbUsame with the iran nuclear deal. those were feel good documents designed to cynically make the public FEEL like they were doing something but in reality just pushed the problem off to the next politicianyou don't read the things you claim to care about
and the countries that "slowed the spread" are now having larger 2nd waves, while we aren't. there is no such thing as slowing the spread everyone has to get it eventually
Most *smart* people.
you are consistently one of the most uninformed people on this site. i shutter to think of what fake news you are viewingjoe biden's son's laptop was full of illegal activity and your media sources covered it up, meanwhile trump never broke the law
@007kingifrit It was proven that he did. Congress just decided it wasn't enough to impeach him.
there was no proof at all of trump breaking the lawgo on, which law?
@007kingifrit The quid pro quo with Ukraine for starters
there is no crime in quid pro quo, it is not illegal to engage in quid pro quo deals with another countryliterally no law
@007kingifrit for political advantage it is
aaaaah but nobody could prove trump's intentyou can't prove he did it for political advantage; that's where your story falls apart
@007kingifrit I don't have to. In order to be impeached the investigation has to be completed before the process started. Since he was impeached there was sufficient evidence.
that's a circular logic fallacy; it states that the impeachment is justified because he is guilty, and he is guilty because they impeachedonly an idiot would make a circular logic fallacy, you said you had proof but you don't
@007kingifrit to actually impeach someone the investigation must be completed. It happened with Nicon and Clinton. The ONLY reason Nixon wasn't impeached is because he resigned before. Clinton did not, but like Trump, Congress decided it wasn't severe enough to remove him. It doesn't mean it didn't happen though.
that's not the argument we are having, YOU claimed there was proof of wrongdoing, show the proof
@007kingifrit 2you expect me to look through a redacted version of a Congressional investigation without a thorough grounding in United States law to run a law that was broken? Most people who contributed to the investigation don't know what it says in totality.
but you claimed with certainty that there was proof... which means you KNEW what it says? now you don't?how can you claim there is proof and not already know the proof? a faith based assertion that the proof exists yet you don't know it? classic media puppet
@007kingifrit I trust that the impeachment process works. You can't impeach until a violation has been proven.
then you're a fucking retard who trusts whatever the democrats say without quesiton
@007kingifrit not really. I do believe that our impeachment process is well made. There is only one thing I would change, but that part isn't the investigation part.
Not institutional racism. Police brutality does exist. But whites are killed by police more than blacks.
@BustyNeedles Pence said it go listen to his and Kamalas debate thats why people didn't vote Trump blame Pence and niw we got racist Biden in office
Yes it was "systematic racism" even the media had to admit it:www.bet.com/.../...ence-d-breonna-taylor-case.htmlHowever Joe Biden really said if African Americans don't vote democrat "You ain't black"!https://youtu.be/FJFIdHUgHHMTalk about racsim!
@genuinlysensitive wow fool if u followed me you would know im not a sheep amd i don't vote lol also hell yeah Biden is racist fuck him too i got a better video of him being real racist right here all im saying is thats what made Trump look bad and it did but check this video on Biden plus ur a sheep for voting look at this https://youtu.be/bmmahbbARNI fuck Biden n Trump
that's not what he said, he said systemic racism doesn't existand it is scientific fact police by and large are doing nothing wrong, follow the science my friend
@007kingifrit systematic racism does exist in some city's and states area wakeup
no you are a bad person if you even believe in systemic racism. nobody owes you equality of outcome
@007kingifrit i don't live in a racist area i live in California i don't see systemic racism but i had lived in other states and experienced it growing up as a kid and in my early adult years and i got out of that bullshit city and state, when you turn 16 your allowed to work imagine not being able too because your of color & and when your 18 same deal and the state only covers children until the age of 18 so if ur mom can't get a job and you can't how are you suppose to support yourself? Crime? That's the first thing that comes to mind but i stayed away from that and found a way out if that shithole racist pos town and moved to Cali and guess what no problems i can work and i can di anything in the world and that place was filled with systemic racism so for Pence to get up there and say it doesn't exist when it still does is crazy and disrespectful and no nothing is owed to me thats why i everything i ever wanted in California cause i got it myself. But you're not gonna try to tell me how i grew up and what was there and what wasn't when i experienced it. Leave that rock your living under it's time to come out you sheep