Liberals will still not accept there was voter fraud.What kind of evidence for voter fraud could make liberals believe it happened?
The truth anyways
Then we are in agreement. And the truth is that there is no reason to believe that there was voter fraud UNTIL anyone presents actual evidence of this (apart from one postal worker who proved to be lying about voter fraud).
Show me the link that proves he lied.
No one can prove something is untrue. If I claim that Trump eats human fetuses, you cannot prove this to be untrue. The burden of proof falls on me to produce evidence of this. Trump has made a number of huge claims about massive voter fraud coordinated by Democratic leaders. This is an earth-shattering claim that requires equally huge amounts of evidence to support. No evidence of this exists (single anecdotal examples mean nothing for these claims, even if true because he claimed massive fraud engineered by leaders). By your logic Trump is automatically guilty of the tens of thousands of crimes he's been accused of, and it's your job to prove him innocent of each charge!You are a liar. You don't care about the truth even to the smallest degree.
If you can't prove something is not true then why do you exclude voter fraud?
You really are wasting my time. You didn't understand anything I explained to you?
Understanding your claims is not equal to thinking they are correct.
You do realize that's what they personally created over the last 4 year... Falsified evidence
@jace13 Yeah, I know. that's why I'm not worried about actual evidence of voter fraud. There is none. Because there was no fraud.
I'm mainly speaking of those who have opposed Trump. They're a " the ends justify the means" type of people. Got a month or so though. It wasn't a clean race going back to the democratic nomination. 2016 it's known it was rigged against Bernie and likely this year and they intentionally went out of their way to keep Tulsi gabbard off the debate stage.It's a dirty crew.
@jace13 No arguments here. I do wish Bernie could have won, but am looking forward to seeing AOC on the ballot in the future. But at least with Biden in power it's more likely that electoral and political reform are possible. Maybe not likely, and certainly not easy, but more possible than with the obese turtle.
You can't be sure tgere was no voter fraud
@marish01 And do you have proof? Because we certainly can be sure no fraud occurred if no proof to the opposite is there.
AOC has 8 years before she's possible.Electoral needs not touched. It's in place for great reason.Political reform not likely under biden money in politics will remain as you can find they spent more than any other history by far. Term limits won't happen, he's been in office for 47 years. Like he's corruption and establishment he don't want change.AOC and biden almost have nothing in common. Biden is for nothing really that she's for.
How can you be sure there was no voter fraud? Don't you know you can't prove voter fraud didn't happen? Therefore you can't exclude voter fraud.
@marish01It is the duty of those levelling accusations to provide evidence. Not only that, but his lawyers have admitted to either exaggerating, lying, or having nothing to actually oppose.There is proof that there is no significant evidence. And now, with Arizona being called for Biden, there is no hope at all for Trump - and he knows this. Any and all attempts at forcing a "recount" or alleging "fraud" are just the tantrums of a lame-duck and the enabling behaviours of those either too spineless to stand up for what's right, or those deliberately interested in what's wrong.
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I'm all for fair process.Do you think the left won't riot for overturning the voter fraud?
If Trump somehow became president again, even through a fair election I would 100% support a public uprising. After all Trump threatens the foundation of your country and the constitution. That said, its just a hypothetical scenario and I have seen no evidence that Trump lost the election because of the opposition breaking the law or unfairly interfering in the election. I have on the other hand seen plenty of evidence for the Republicans doing everything in their power to legally, and illegally, try to steal the election.If its an investigation you want, bring it!
Show your plenty of evidence
Try again. The link doesn't work
oag.ca.gov/.../attorney-general-becerra-seeks-court-order-compel-california-republican-partyPerhaps this works.
Lol. Do you open the links before sendin
Yes. That is a government website.
They hate Trumo because hating him is trendy. Brainwashed people
They never actually gave him a chance to be president.
Why don't you even listen to Republicans who are saying there was a fair count?https://youtu.be/oWWe_rYwGH4
@goaded because this isn't the time to take people's word for things. This is the time an actual investigation needs to take place. This really isn't a party issue. It's an issue involving those who actually want to investigate suspicious activity to find out the truth, and those who don't care and are willing to accept "any means necessary" to get Trump out of office. Then there's this lady. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8JK8ju7gUs I'd call that voter fraud. Wouldn't you? They're charging her with it anyways, so in the eyes of the law---yep. That's ONE for you. There are tons more. There's your evidence, now what? Notice I don't care which party she attempted to fraudulently vote for with those 70 ballots. The fact that she attempted it at all is a crime and I support investigating to find the others who committed similar voter fraud. Do they have your support as well?
I can't be bothered to watch the video, the point is that she was caught, and there'd have to be hundreds or thousands of successful fraudsters to make a difference to the final counts over multiple states to affect the result (in 2000, it was down to 1 state and less than 1000 votes). You, and Trump, are insulting thousands of citizens who've worked hard to ensure a correct count (and are still counting, in multiple states).Who did she vote multiple times for, anyway? Republican, like the NC-09 debacle two years ago?Here's what I think is happening:Plan A: Draw out the counts long enough that states that found for Biden don't get to certify by the given date (Dec 8th?), and there's a contested election.Plan B: Take money from suckers who think they're paying for Plan A, to pay off campaign debts.Plan C: Brainwash enough Americans into believing the election was stolen that convicting Trump of any of the crimes he's committed will look political, rather than the rule of law.The beauty is that none of that actually requires genuine voter fraud to have happened. Which is good, because it didn't at any scale.
Oh, it's only 27 seconds long. I note that she never got to vote any of those 70 applications. Checks and balances work.
@goaded and what do you call investigating 3,000 claims of voter fraud and misconduct? Yep, checks and balances. That's what will happen and that's what should happen. Thank you for supporting this investigation into Democratic ballot fraud. I don't believe for a second that you're stupid enough to believe that since one person got caught, it means all others got caught and there's no need to look into it any further. But I know you're just playing your role here.
This would be the 3,000 that include active duty military in Europe, etc., in a state that has Biden ahead by 35,000+? The claims are bogus, and even if they were true, they wouldn't change the outcome of the election.www.politifact.com/.../
What if Trump provides evidence? Will your liberal head accept his victory?
What if we land a cow on the sun🤷🏾♂️ we can what if until cows come home
If trump provided evidence of voter fraud, I woild accept that there was voter fraud. It wouldn't mean he won, of course - it would just mean some of the votes were invalid. And those votes could just as easily be for him.But it's looking like the more pragmatic question is if trump finds no evidence of voter fraud, will your hateful brain be able to accept that your hate lost?
So you don't think voter fraud could cost him an election?I care about fair process. As long as Biden won then I'm fine.And I'm not hateful. Liberals are full of hate
I understand the far right fake news tries to convince you liberals are full of hate, and thus you should hate us back, but you don't have to fall for it. I mean, doesn't it get tiring?Also, of course voter fraud could cost him the election. But it could also win him the election. And as trump has made no efforts to hide the fact that he is a fraud, and since we're apparantly just saying what we feel with no evidence, it feels way more likely that any fraud that occured was to help trump.
Fake news? Lol.I have witnessed liberals hatred for conservative for many times.
I'm not saying the left doesn't have it's share of misinformers, too. But most of the left's misinformation sources are led by right wingers trying to turn liberals into straw men. Whatever hatred you supposedly witnessed was likely this or a reaction to conservative hatred. Most likely a combination, though..
How can you say what hatred I have witnessed when I was the one to witness it not you?"But most of the left's misinformation sources are led by right wingers trying to turn liberals into straw men.""LmaoWhere is your proof?
Misinformation is the primary tool of the right. Indeed the right could not exist without it, as a platform of "cut my own taxes and raise everyone else's debt to pay me more" would never win popular support. Yet, if ignore what republicans say and look at what they actually do when they get power, that is it. Nothing more. Just paying themselves with the U. S. treasury. This "proves" that everything they say is misinformation. On the other hand, the left doesn't need to con anyone. A message of "hey, let's give this civilization thing an honest try" is supposed to be appealing without misinformation making it sound more exciting. Granted, this doesn't prove the left doesn't use misinformation - only that there is no reason they should think they need it.And of course I can't say anything about the hatred you witnessed unless you tell me about it, which you haven't.
Imagine celebs' reactions. 😂
They're already pretty pissed about the Blue Wave not taking over Congress. They've spent the last 4 years trying undermine, discredit, and generally sabotage Trump. To see that a lot of the country isn't buying their line must have been a huge shock. In fact, I'm surprised that more members of the media aren't like "Oh fuck, we just got the polling data wrong twice. Maybe we're the assholes here..."
But imagine if Trump wins.This means there has been huge voter fraud. The future of Democrats will be forever destroyed. Who would trust them? They will be known as the party that went against Democracy. 😂
They should already have that reputation. It’s astounding that more people don’t see that. The globalists aren’t even hiding what they do anymore, it’s kind of shocking
If Biden loses it will be a huge disgrace for his party and people. Many blue states will turn red. Lol
How do you exclude voter fraud?
So you don't want evidence?
What will be the future of the Democratic party when liberals are provided evidence that there was voter fraud? (Did I built this sentence correctly?)
They'll be exposed for the crooked party they are and lose massive support and yeah
It will be such an embarassment for Democrats and liberals.
They'll probably just try what they always do and that's rewrite history but unfortunately we know what really went down
Nothing, we could show them a video of it happening and counters admitting it and they'd still say their classic line of "there's no evidence"
Yet they are sure Russia made Americans vote for Trump 😂
Why don't you (or Trump) try providing some evidence? Last I heard, none of his lawsuits include any.
What if there is?
Then there would need to be enough to alter a state which is similarly unlikely. Trump is the only politician who actually believes he won.