We have a LOT of dumbasses in my country :(
Australia isn't much better, nearly everything is either venomous or out to get you lol
Trumptards are a lot more venomous than a cuddly koala.
Yowch, point made lol
Have you seen the size of the spiders in Aus?freethoughtblogs.com/.../aussiespider-768x946.jpeg
@goaded I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that spider is on the window and not the SETI dish listening for alien life.
Two biggest critters I've seen: a spider the size of a dinner plate and a black crab the size of a truck wheel
Only a handful of Republican senators have publically said he's lost. They'd rather let him keep telling his supporters that democracy in America is dead than tell the truth and save it.
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The exception being... the election was NOT rigged, and the cry baby lost. Consider, that if the Dems had controlled both houses, Trump would have been gone in a flash, and rightfully so.
LOL. Just realize that if you somehow are able to impeach President Joe and get him out of office (odds approximately 1%), you get President Kamala which is your worst nightmare. So good luck with that. :)
Joe literally doesn't know where he is. He even forgets his name sometimes. Do you really believe he will rule? Otherwise, for me, it doesn't matter so much who will be US president. I will just watch the show and have fun. Joe will not be removed from office by impeachment, they will just want to discredit him. They will want revenge on Trump.
@loveslongnails It does not matter. Trump will never admit that he lost. And for half the country, Biden will be an illegitimate president. Trump will continue to claim that the election was unfair. And many people will believe him, whether those statements are true or not.
Yeah, Biden is not getting removed. The most likely scenario would be for the ever-ambitious Harris to try a 25th Amendment move. It will fail, because Joe and Mitch McConnell have been friends since the mid-1980's and the GOP would prefer Biden to Harris so they would never supply the votes needed to get to 2/3 of each House.
I agree that many people will believe him, but considering the level of ignorance in this country, that's not a surprise. When your own people in Homeland Security debunk all your claims, and call it the most secure election in history, you have to believe Trump's lost his mind COMPLETELY now.One other thing... not being a huge Biden fan myself, it was a simple choice of "Never Trump Again" after seeing 4 years of his vitriolic destruction of what America is supposed to be about. I realize that many folks still voted for Trump because they didn't want Joe. Imagine if the Dems were able to find a really GOOD candidate.. it would have been an absolute slaughter. As it was, it's a 6 million vote popular margin, and the same number Electoral votes Trump got in 2016. Go back and listen to what Trump called his victory in 2016 ! LOL "A landslide". "Not even close". Then go back and see how gracious Clinton was, and how cooperative the Obama administration was in transferring power. THEN, compare it to pyscho man today, and idiots like Pompeo and Navarro telling people there will be 4 more years of Trump. It's like living in a Twilight Zone episode, where all remaining cabinet members are drone morons.
@loveslongnails @npiatanas Joe Biden is a moderate Democrat like every other one we've had recently. Obama & Clinton were good Presidents and Joe will be also. He is perfectly fine. He knows "where he is". Sure, he's old but Trump is only like 3 years younger and way fatter. They are both old. Trump is a fucking dick and that's why he lost. People got sick of his shit. I don't even care that Biden is a Democrat because all I am looking for is sanity. I would have taken Republican John Kasich in a heartbeat. Anybody who has the capacity to think logically and feel empathy is all I require at this point. :)
Far from your worst nightmare. That would be Pence, though Trump was enough of one.
That's exactly correct, which is why there was no real choice for me. Trump had to go, and has to stay gone. If the Republicans have any notion of continuing to support him, they'll wind up pissing on themselves. HOWEVER, the Dems have to get back to common sense too if they expect to reach anyone in the heartland.
@loveslongnails I think we will still look at the gap between the progressives and the establishment in the Democratic Party. So far, the only thing that united them was their hatred of Trump. But now the AOC, Burnie and the other socialists will demand theirs. They have already begun to blame each other for the weaker than expected election performance.
Anytime someone in a party loses an election, there's blame and finger pointing. Although AOC and Bernie are too polarized, they each have ideas worth discussing both within the party and with other parties. Likewise for the Repubs. However, thanks to Newt and Boehner and McConnell, there no longer exists the term "compromise" or even discussion. You can blame the Dems for a lot of things, but "not be willing to discuss" isn't one of them. I hate picking "sides" because I'm an Independent and I vote for someone on issues. I've voted Republican before, but at this point I have to say... the vast majority of them in Congress have forgotten their primary duty is to the people of the USA, not to their "party" line. Biden is SO old school that he may just be able to get something done at the table. We'll see. But Trump clearly surrounds himself with sycophants, and he had to go.
@loveslongnails Yes, Biden is undoubtedly a very experienced politician, but it is also a negative for him. I think that's one of the reasons so many people vote for a man like Trump. People are tired of these career politicians. Biden is the typical one - nearly 50 years in politics. He is the epitome of this system that people do not like.
@loveslongnails Well, i'm not sure the Democrats are really open to debate. Many of them have long been on the principle "you agree with us or you are a racist, sexist, homophobe, bigot". I think that's one of the reasons for the polarization in American society that led to the election of a man like Trump - a person who, if someone had said only 10 years ago that he would be president, everyone would have laughed.
@npiatanas The people I know who like Trump are all ultra-sensitive crybabies who defend him like he is their god. I am not exaggerating. I implied Trump was a "turkey" and posted a pic of Joe Biden eating an ice cream cone on a facebook post thread of a "friend" of mine and she responded with a paragraph scolding me for being political. This bitch has spent years insulting Democrats on her page, posting dumb, hateful conspiracies, etc. and I post one fucking pic of Biden and she loses her shit. FUCK YOU, TRUMP JERKS! You spent the past four years being assholes. Nobody cares that you are sad now. :)
Well, that's the problem, everyone is so radicalized, so fanatical in their opinions. I really don't know why people have become so sensitive in recent years. You don't have to get hysterical every time you hear something you don't like. And you don't have to hate someone just because they don't share your worldview... be like the late Judges Ginsburg and Scalia - totally opposite political views, but that didn't stop them from being friends in life. America is a doomed nation if these terrible relations between people continue.
That's true, but look at the alternative we had for the last 4 years... a career bullshitter and con man. Which is worse? Trump was. If there were term limits, it might help somewhat, but politics is a dirty game, and let's face it.. they're just pawns for the real power - money.
I don't agree with your assessment of "many of them". What you describe sounds like the fringes on the left, but you can say the same about the ultra right EXCEPT they became more mainstream. The Republicans say " ... if you don't agree with us (and for the last 4 years that meant Trump), then you are un-America, unpatriotic, Communist, Socialist, snowflake supporting LGBT queers". Clearly, both sides are dead wrong on those presumptions, but for the last 4 years, the Repubs were empowered to "Make America Hate Again".
LOL. You were zero years old when Al Gore was being "a lot more obnoxious." Were you an infant or a fetus when u were using your extraordinarily awesome obnoxious detecting capabilities? Or are you a middle aged gentleman pretending to be a conservative, young, girly smokeshow?
What if they reverse the presidency and Biden refused to leave? Then he would be breaking the laws of the land. It plays both ways.
@Cryptic-Game really? your best counterargument is "well what if your guy did the same?" Yeah, imagine if Obama had tried that back when he was president: "well what if Trump's birth certificate was fake?"
Also Trump's kind of d*ck so he'll wait till they produce a whole bunch of Biden 46 stuff and then on January 19 resign so that Biden will instead be 47 and so that he (Trump) doesn't have to ride to the inauguration.
They are blocking President Joe from his $$$ and getting his messages. They are being dicks.
For the record, Al Gore did not concede in 2000 until December 13 after the Supreme Court ruled against him. Even when he conceded he refused to admit he lost and said the Supreme Court was wrong.
What do you mean they are blocking Joe?
Gore/Bush was a different situation. It was one dumb state (Florida) and the vote differential was in the hundreds. Recounts were VERY necessary to determine the winner. In 2020 we are talking about tens of thousands of votes needed to change the outcome. It's not possible and you know that.variety.com/.../
One recount was triggered automatically by state law. The official counts showed that Bush was the winner. Gore refused to accept the offical count. He kept demanding recount after recount after recount, losing every one of them. He simply refused to admit defeat even after several recounts showed that he lost.
There were ballot issues and other ridiculousness. Hanging chads, butterfly ballots that gave Pat Buchanan THOUSANDS of votes that people meant for Gore, etc. And the difference was literally in the hundreds. The governor of Florida was the brother of the dude running for president. Everything was shady. This is 100% different.
Yea yea. Same old arguments Gore used. No matter how many times it was done it turned out the same. No matter how many times they tried to change the rules, it turned out the same.The claim about butterfly ballots was absurd. The media and instigators jumped on the bandwagon and stirred people up. A ballot that had been used by millions and millions of people in many states, over several decades with no problem, suddenly became a problem. Suddenly out of nowhere a bunch of people started claiming they were too stupid to figure out something simple that millions of people before them did just fine, and both parties had agreed to in hundreds of elections in the past.So the Democrats tried to change the rules about how they are counted. Suddenly the poll workers were supposed to guess what the voters intent was through some sort divination. But even with all the guessing, and divination, the count still went to Bush.If people voted wrong, that is their problem. You have to count how they actually voted, not try to divine it. Very few if any of those people actually knew if they did it wrong. The media and instigators got them stirred up, then suddenly everyone was screaming "I'm stupid I'm stupid. I can't use a ballot like millions before me used just fine." Maybe some fraction of those people really were too stupid to use a ballot. Maybe they really did vote wrong. But you MUST go by how they actually voted.All you are saying is that it's OK for a Demcocrat to do it, and not Trump.
Trump doesn't have a case. Gore did. That simple, dude.
He had no case. He was making it up as he went along. He lost every step of the way. He continued fighting it and changing the rules hoping that sooner or later it would go his way. Over and over, with every count, it went against him. But he would not accept it.
The vote in Florida was extremely close. The issue of hanging chads caused confusion, and there were several different opinions on what constituted a punch being enough for a vote. (Hanging by one corner, hanging by two corners) The problem had existed before, but was never settled one way or another. The butterfly problem was just as bad in a different way. A vote was clearly made, but it was impossible to be clear who it was for.The case went to the Florida Supreme Court, then the US Supreme Court, then back to the state, then back to the US. A couple of "technicalities" that actually influenced how it was being handled were that the governor of Florida was the brother of the president. Also, Florida's secretary of state was charged with overseeing that the election was fair, but she was co-chair of Florida's Bush for president election committee. Obviously not a fair choice. When the final decision to stop a recount that was already in progress was made, the state simply awarded the vote to the person ahead at that moment, obviously not a good recount. Also, the Supreme Court decision was along party lines. That Florida debacle was a terrible decision, regardless of who the winner would have been.
@Red_Arrow I agree
"there were several different opinions on what constituted a punch being enough for a vote. (Hanging by one corner, hanging by two corners)"This is at the heart of much of the problem. Butterfly ballots and punch card ballots in general have been used for ages. I've used them many times in three different states. Both parties agreed to the rules on the ballot itself, and the procedures used to count them. Both parties had years or decades to make changes BEFORE the election. Also, the layout of this particular ballot was done by a Democrat.Gore wanted to make changes after the election took place. The optical system is completely unbiased and approved ahead of time. The first recount was automatic. After that, Gore wanted to change the way it was done. He hoped that if he tweaked it this way or that, it might come out in his favor.Florida was more than generous to Gore. They allowed the recounts. They allowed the tweaking of how votes were counted. And they allowed extension of the deadlines. Even when Gore got what he asked for, like recounts and deadline extensions, when it didn't go in his favor, he wanted more.It's debatable if Florida was obligated to give in to any of those things. But they allowed it. It wasn't enough for him.Of course the count was stopped. There was a hard deadline to meet. Florida needed to certify and they needed to do it now.Most of the controversy was after the election, after the original count, and after the automatic recount, all of which were done by the rules that both sides agreed to. You can't get around that.
As mentioned, the race was WAY, WAY closer in 2000 and it came down to one state where the vote difference was in the hundreds. In 2020, Trump will need to turn around multiple states where the vote disparity is in the tens of thousands of votes. There is really no comparison and there is no way for Trump to win UNLESS he uses his power to cheat the system and to disenfranchise the American voters by fucking with the electors. I wouldn't put it past him, as he is a fucking asshole capable of anything. :)
Anonymous coward, you need proof of widespread fraud first. I mean I can call you a criminal all day long but if I have no proof, nobody is gonna drag you to jail. You should know this.
The lawyers themselves suing on behalf of Trump have admitted there is no proof of any wrongdoing in court.(if they lied to the judge they'd risk being disbarred) That is why all their lawsuits are being dismissed.
She conceded the day after the election.
Hillary conceded in 2016 the day after the election and that one was like 4x CLOSER than this one.
Sure, but she didn't have too nor should she have in my opinion.
That's great and everything but to say "of course he's not going to concede" is rather odd since that is the norm. You are making it seem like he is doing what is expected. He isn't.
I don't really care what the norm is. If they are operating within the law then that is fine and dandy.
I just don't like gaslighters and that's what you are doing. Making the ridiculous seem normal. There is nothing fine and dandy about asshole behavior... well, maybe in your world. NOT in mine.
I never said it was normal, just that I don't care.I don't see anything wrong with fighting to keep your public office until it is absolutely confirmed that you lost your office.
When you type sentence like, "Of course he's not going to leave." and "The election results are still being finalized despite what the media wants you to think." That is you indicating that what Trump is doing in this specific situation is totally normal. It is ABNORMAL. Kindly stop gaslighting.
Why should he
@MillieBrunette Because it's considered proper etiquette in the USA. In your country, people have food fights with goths. Here in America, we step down gracefully when we lose. :)
Wtf has my fights got to do with anytbing
@MillieBrunette It has to do with your understanding of this situation. Trump is acting like someone from your culture, not ours.
I'm a winner babe
@MillieBrunette When I meet a goth, I take her out for a girls' night. :) When you meet a goth, someone is guaranteed to take a pie to the face. :(
I'm just giving you my perspective. I find it weird that people would give up before the game is even over so to speak but if you want politicians that just roll over then be my guest I guess.
Do you find it odd that we have a immature, compulsive liar for a President? I do. The things you think are "weird" are different from what a mentally healthy individual thinks. That's my perspective.
Hun, all politicians are immature liars. Trump is just not that good at hiding it.
That's what ignorant people say. Obama wasn't like that.
So you don't think Obama was an immature, self-serving liar?Every single president since I have been alive has been completely bought off.
The one point I might concede on is his maturity, since he carried himself with poise but his selfless actions were definitely immature & sociopathic.
Trump's own lawyers have admitted under oath that there isn't a shred of evidence
Pennsylvania already is tossing ballots dated after election day so they did win that case.
So what's the Trump team's problem? (I think they just put them to one side, fwiw.)
No ballots are being discarded in Pennsylvania
@msc545 They're not counting ones that were postmarked after election day, but they were never going to.www.cisa.gov/.../joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election"“When states have close elections, many will recount ballots. All of the states with close results in the 2020 presidential race have paper records of each vote, allowing the ability to go back and count each ballot if necessary. This is an added benefit for security and resilience. This process allows for the identification and correction of any mistakes or errors. There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised."
Don't blame me! He actually had 3 million LESS votes than Hillary had in 2016 but our dumb system isn't a democracy. It turns losers into winners.
nahhh I wasn't talking about you in general lol sorry, I just meant the people who voted for him
I know but the thing is, most Americans DIDN'T vote for this jackass the 1st time.
Cry about the popular vote not winning. If Trump had won the popular vote but lost the electoral vote, you wouldn't say Trump was the real winner.
partly because he appealed to several angry vocal minorities, partly because his opposition at the time was bad in her own right. Welcome to America, the land of extremes. Where we can elect our first ever black president and then immediately turn around and elect a mentally-addled rapist and racist narcist who can't distinguish what he desires to be true from what actually is true.
You will have to learn it no matter what because I predict you will end up in a Chinese prison.