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Its not US Citzens being armed that would make the difference as combined with obesity and the fact so many gun owners have little to no military training, even most police would be useless. What would really make the difference is the fact that the US has huge reserves of well trained military personnel in thd national guards and reserves that can be called up and made ready for mobilisation in 24 hours, then you've got all the military vetreans that can be drafted at short notice. Like in the Korean war in an emergency the first people drafted would be not untrained 18-24 year olds but actual vetreans of military age still fit to fight, thats why so many ww2 vetreans were brought back to fight in Korea. there's probably about 1-2 million vetreans aged 24-40 that are fit to serve again at anytime in an emergency such as invasion. Then there's the US military's stockpiles of military equipment vast warehouses of surplus garlands, m1913s, m1917s, m1 garlands, m14s, M16s A1/A2/A4, M4s, body armor, M2s, M60s, M240s , M249s Vast fields full of surplus often never used humvess, armored personal carriers, Abrams tanks, Patton tanks, hueys, chinooks, cobra gunships, apaches, f16s, f18s, f15s, f4, a4s, f5s, A7 corsairs, F8 crusaders, B52s.Then there's the arms industry with AR15s so ubiquitous, the arms industry could arm a 100,000 man army within a week with m4s and along with military stores of 5.56 there's a log of 5.56 in the hands of civilians and company's. Any invader would arm themselves with Ar15s as its so common in the US like the ak is in Africa, the Middle East and asia
The EU is weak. They just lost Britain leaving only France as its real military power. The EU's defence is conducted by NATO and thats really the US military.
@White_King2000 However weak you think they are they can wipe the floor with Russia with or without the UK. The UK is not actually that powerful you know. Not anymore at least. If that says more about the strength of the EU or the weakness of Russia ill let you decide.
I'm afraid not. France is the only real military in the EU the rest rely heavily on the United States.
@White_King2000 The EU has 447.7 million people (excluding the UK). Russia only has 144.5 million. The EU has an economy worth $18.8 trillion. Russia has an economy worth 1.6 trillion.There is literally NO contest.
Again Russia has 900,000 and 2.000, 000 military personnel in reserve, not to mention former military trained personnel which could be 1-3 million. Russia has:22,710 Main battle tanks to EU 7,7002,900,000 military personnel to EU theoretical 1.5 million.Russia has 1,101 fighters. EU has half that.Russia has 4,163 aircraft vs EU 2,500Russia has 600 ships vs EU 500 shipsRussia has 2,500 helicopters vs EU 500Russia has Heavy bombersMore advanced Anti-air weapons.The EU is not a war economy and is dependent on a lot of Russian produced oil and gas. A Russian invasion would reach Berlin before EU forces could stop it. Germany is the heart of EU industry.Economy is a fickle thing backed only the value others give your currency and their willingness to trade with you causing inflation. Again France is the only real military currently in the EU, Germany won't spend any money on theirs so all their equipment is worn out, Poland is making strides but is a long way off, Sweden is neutral, Spain and Italy have good militaries but they are small, Turkey may fight with the Russians. France in 1940 had a richer economy than nazi Germany, more tanks, planes, artillery, men and look what happened to them, like you they were fighting the last war expecting economies to slug it out.
@White_King2000 Standing military armies means literally nothing. Especially since Russia does not have enough modern equipment to field their forces anyways. I mean Russia has 22,710 main battle tanks? 20 000 of those are surplus tanks from WW2 and the cold war era, not suitable for modern combat. Its not even clear if they are in working condition right now and considering how everything else in their arsenal is falling apart from lack of maintenance I highly doubt it.Russia only has 1200 modern/upgraded tanks which does not take into account how many of those is combat ready/functional. The EU utterly DWARFS this and same with the other stuff and this is the EU in its lowest military readiness. If the EU ever wanted they have the manpower, the industrial capacity and the technology to steamroll Russia with little to no effort.
Russia is nearly complety modernised. It has large fleets of SU35s and mig35s, T90, T80 and T75 tanks. Apart from France EU forces are underequiped and reliant on American weapons, the German military has few tanks and those are in bad shape and are all outdated.When you pull British army forces out all you have are French tank forces. As for military readiness of the EU its a joke and what you are talking about is NATO military readiness backed by US forces. The US has 85 tanks in Europe but could land about 3,000 abrams in a month, plus fleets of apaches
@White_King2000 Ha! No they have not. Russia has been in perpetual "re-modernization" since forever but the problem is that their equipment becomes obsolete faster than they can modernize them. Without massively increasing their military spending and switching over a major part of their industry to military production (which would hurt them economically quite a bit) they will never finish modernization.. ever.. By the time they have gone through their arsenal the things the modernized at the start is already horribly out of date already. This means that only a fraction of their equipment is ready for combat at any one time and the rest is either not in a serviceable condition or horribly out of date.Even Sweden has like 10% of Russias entire modern tank forces and its possible that not only are the Swedish tanks better maintained but probably also more modern. But again, this is all semantics because in warfare its not really relevant how much forces you start with. They are like the pawns in a chess game, meant to be sacrificed for the more valuable pieces that comes later. You think the EU would only field like 1.5 million troops if it was in a major war? Germany alone fielded 13.6 million troops during WW2 and Nazi Germany is but a shadow of the power that Germany holds today.Standing armies are just toys dude. Major countries use them to play small games in proxy wars or put up displays of power to make themselves look important. Actual wars are a battle of production and logistics. If the EU goes to war they will be producing USA sized armies monthly.
Germany fielded 13.6 million men at its height. But at the start of the war only fielded 2 million when they over ran Poland, France, Holland, Belgium, Denmark and Norway and pushed Britain out of Europe. That was with well trained troops and inferior tanks against two of the richest economies in the world and France the largest most powerful land army in 1940, with the best tanks in the world.The EU would have maybe 1.6 million, but soldiers take time to train. Thats why the US took so long putting an army in the field in ww1, it took one year. It around a year for the US to field and army after pearl harbour and to begin offensive operations in Europe, it took to 1943 for the us to replace forces killed or captured in the Pacific in the Philippines.In a war, the Russians would reach Germany which is the heart of EU manufacturing so there goes all those conscripts you mentioned, production, wealth and economy.The EU is made up of states with tiny militaries that mostly use cold war era weapons, not through of Russia. Some like France, Sweden and Germany have the means to produce capable fighters but what they have are in too few numbers and not a match for current next generation su35s, mig 35s and SU57s. Swedens tank force us in Sweden the Swedish military is designed to fight a defensive war and has not fought since the 1800s?A war in Europe with Russia would be over in months, so no time for the EU to build or equip a military, in 2020 they just aren't ready for war, there's no supporting infrastructure. Britain, France and the US knew before ww2 war was coming and had been preparing. Germany for instance even though the are a major manufacturer of small arms the budensfer's G36 weapons are in disrepair with little replacement or modernisation which is ridiculous because heckler and Koch are producing the HK416 to replace the US ARMY'S m4s and french damask rifles. In an EU war with Russia currently only France can field an effective military to stop them.
@White_King2000 *sigh* This is why I do not like to argue with people who do not understand the subject. First of all lets just go through what happened at the start of WW2.Germany deploys against Poland alongside the Soviet union and crushes Poland in a 2 front war. The reason this worked so quickly is mainly due to the alliance between Germany and the Soviet Union.As for Belgium and the Netherlands they were left defenseless after rejecting allied support before war was declared on them. There was some tactical mistakes done but mainly this was them essentially betraying France and compromising its defenses AKA the Maginot line which was supposed to run along the borders of Belgium.Finally you sort of undermined your own argument there. Yes, France and the Britain was the biggest economies in Europe along with Germany. Guess who won? The biggest economy. You might have gotten early victories to the point where they are legendary achievements that will probably never be recreated again but, as history clearly shows, that is not enough to win a major war. You will still lose if you dont have the foundation to back it up. Germany did not have it. Russia does not have it today. They can't win even if we gave them the same legendary success that the Nazis had during ww2. It literally does not matter what they do.
As for why USA was so slow during ww2? Their enemy was not Nazi Germany but Japan and that was the main focus of its efforts. The fact that there was no easy way to land troops and supplies on mainland Europe at the time also meant that there was no rush. USA as such functioned mostly as an arms dealer providing materials and vehicles to the Soviet Union and the Allies.As for what would happen with a Russian invasion of the EU? Even if they had full success they would never reach Germany before the EU gets to respond and beat the living daylight out of Russia. Russia simply do not have enough troops to fully occupy the countries it needs to overtake before reaching Germany. Poland alone would require hundreds of thousands of troops to be stationed there to maintain control and that is not to mention the amount of extra troops required to secure the vast network of supply lines between Russia and the front line.There is no threat of Russia just walking over the EU, its vast and Russia simply does not have the resources.I would also like to point out that the era of tanks as well as airplanes is over. We currently have the technology to kill anything we can see. Hard to hide in the sky which means planes are just sitting targets and likewise its hard to hide large metal boxes on the ground. In a major war both the airforce and tank forces will just get annihilated the moment they get deployed.That is another thing you simply do not understand. Just like how WW1's trench warfare was completely different from WW2's mobile warfare, so too will a future major war be different from "modern combat". Everything you think you know, is wrong.
Poland was already crushed though fought harder than France, the Soviets came in at the end, and attacked in the rear. The soviets just ended things quicker hence their light casualties suffered. the maginot line was a white elephant, the Germans went through the Ardennes forest, the french prepared for the wrong war and forgot the lessons British commonwealth forces taught the German army at the end of ww1. Belgium and Holland weren't prepared and waited like the British, French, Norwegians, Greeks and yugoslavs for the Germans to finish with Poland and come for them.No I didn't defeat my argument at all because France after 1940 was part of the reich leaving Britain to fight alone. Essentially if not for the invasion of Russia and Pearl harbour the EU would be and extension of Germany, Italy and fascist Spain. Russia would be in Germany before the EU could do anything Regardless of what you say operation torch in North Africa of 100,000 soldiers was the earliest the US could deploy and even then the US army just wasn't ready and was hammered having to be saved by the British from disaster and complete destruction in the initial engagement of the wermarcht.The US had a standing army of 150,000 men in the Philippines, it took a full year before their replacements were trained and ready to fight. The us army or British commonwealth could have chosen anywhere to land in 1943 either in vichy France, Greece northern Russia or the crime but knew they weren't ready. Dude look up history. Europe and defeating the Nazis was made top priority by Roosevelt over any other theatre. Thats not me saying that, this is historical fact. May I remind you that Germany in ww2 easily occupied multiple countries after defeating them, if you point out US experience in Iraq and Afghanistan I would point out that the nazis played by different rules.
It would take France too long to deploy against Russia, Germany lacks a military and Poland's military is adequated lack training and is full of soviet equipment from the 80s.The era of tanks or aircraft is definitely not over. This is the age of the digital battle spacestealth and EW. As the iraqis found out as did the Serbians, switching on your radar is death, firing at an aircraft reveals your position gets anti aircraft battery hit by anything in range of hitting it almost instantly. Current NATO doctrine is for forces stationed in Europe to buy time for France, Spain, Italy, Turkey deploy and the British and USmilitary to land reinforcements for a counterattack to push the Russian army out of Germany.
So then who has a superior military than both?
I highly doubt it’s better than the two countries I mentioned.
That's where you're wrong bud
US and Russian soldiers carry logs in groups. Scottish folks in general throw those logs 20+ feet. All. Alone. #CaberTossBitch