Is gender a meaningless construct?
- There's a lot to unpack with it. For one thing, gender doesn't reduce to a simple declaration for those who experience it. There's a lot of debate about the source of gender identity: does it come from some innate pre-cognitive apparatus that we don't understand yet? Is it formed through a complex interrelationship between the person and their broader social context? Is it a mix? Something doesn't need to be attached to biological reality for it to have explanatory value. For instance, there's little evidence that the "Big 5" personality metrics or other psychological schemas have direct correspondence to functions of the brain, and yet they serve a purpose. If I told you that I'm high on "open to experience", that likely tells you something about me, even if it's artificially constructed.
The argument that gender boils down to declaration comes from a naive misunderstanding of what gender is usually taken to mean, and sometimes it's used as a rhetorical argument to claim that "soon we'll be able to say that we're horses or helicopters". You CAN say that you identify as a horse if you'd like, but nobody will understand it or take you seriously because there's no framework for understanding "horse identity" that captures the experience of other "horse identified people".0|10|0Is this still revelant?1. You inadvertently (I think) strawmanned me. I never said that the only things with meaning have some connection to biology.
2. If you can't explain to me what gender actually is, then how can you discern what gender someone is? How can you bring yourself to refer to anyone by any gender-laden pronoun when you yourself don't know what gender actually is. You say:
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The argument that gender boils down to declaration comes from a naive misunderstanding of what gender is usually taken to mean."
But it is you who doesn't know what gender means; you even admit that much yourself.
I have more to add but I'll let you respond so you don't have to read for an hour, lol.I don't know why I felt I read an admission that you don't know what gender means. Maybe you do and you'd like to give me a definition.
I ascribed to you a view that you don't have, but it's a view that commonly goes along with gender skepticism. Namely, that if gender doesn't refer to a distinct biological entity, then it's arbitrary and meaningless. If you agree that it has meaning (whatever the source) then we have no argument on that front.
I think I do know what gender is, but my ideas are not in accordance with any kind of consensus by gender theorists or social scientists, for the simple reason that there IS no consensus on it, even among people who have "studied" or theorized on gender their whole academic lives. So that's probably why you were able to sniff out my non-committal attitude to any idea. I don't want to represent my ideas as the monolithic gender studies conclusion.
As far as I'm concerned, gender should be done away with as a concept altogether. I think that it's confusing, and reinforces a binary male/female view of looking at the world. This isn't practical however. As it exists today, I think that gender is a social identifier that allows a person to assert belonging to a group that helps to reinforce a person's own identity. Think of for example, a young teenager talking about his/her love of X or Y band or music. That kind of preference is less about an objective statement about their own nature, so much as it is a way of conveying personal identity. It means something to be "someone who likes X band" for instance. I think where I often disagree with other people on gender skepticism is on the issue of consistency. People are often ok with referring to a biological male as "him", but it becomes too PC once we refer to a transwoman as "she". If we want to criticize gender, we need to include cisgendered people as well.- Show All Show Less
In the meantime, since gender isn't going away anytime soon (we even have languages that use gendered pronouns to refer to objects), we need to adapt in a way that at least goes in that general direction. Part of it is allowing a space for transpeople to criticize the determinist notion of gender. They do this by just existing. You may understand that gender roles and predispositions are meaningless, but a LOT of people aren't on board with that, and the existence of trans people is a way of basically pushing them to question why they think for instance, that "people with penises like working with computers or cars".
And finally, it's just a question of decency. If somebody wants to be called "he" or "she" or "zhe" or whatever, I'll do it. It takes less time and less effort to do that than it takes to hold a door open, and it's not the political hill that I want to die on.
Hopefully I've cleared up some stuff. Don't worry about sending me tons of arguments lol. I'm really into philosophy and enjoy talking about these kinds of things. I've already probably sent you too much myself.I read it all but im on my phone and ill respond tmrw. Yes i c u have thpught about this lots. Good for you.
There is a lot to respond to, man and some question I have to ask, such as what you mean by "in the meantime, since gender isn't going away anytime soon (we even have languages that use gendered pronouns to refer to objects), we need to adapt in a way that at least goes in that general direction?"
Also, I would have an argument with you about gender abolitionism but again, it looks like it is going to take up a lot of time given how much you write (which I appreciate but don't do myself on a regular basis). My argument against the abolitionism it seems like you propose would be that even if possible, it would be short-lived; people would just start re-categorizing each other based on sex.Yes you're correct about the last point there. If gender as a social category were erased through some kind of short lived social movement, it would still creep into microcosms of human interaction. People would find ways to consider things masculine or feminine because it's integral to how the human brain makes sense of patterns. If you see person X do Y and Z, you start to think other persons who do Y and Z are X persons or vice versa. It's the same principle with race too. There's nothing innately "black" about Baptist gospel choirs, and yet it's still black music, since blackness is a social construction as well. Anyways I apologize for all the writing. Hopefully this is shorter.
- I suppose that depends on how one defines "gender". If one defines it as being the same as biological sex with male and female, then no it's not meaningless. If, on the other hand, one says that gender is a self-declaration based on nothing more than how one sees themselves, which is the unfortunate path society seems to want to walk down, then yes, it's a meaningless construct. If we're defining ourselves based on nothing more than self-perception and personality, then "gender" becomes this nebulous idea that has so many possibilities that they cannot all be defined and differentiated from each other by the casual observer, rendering the whole concept as being impractical.0|20|0Is this still revelant?
I read through almost every answer on this question before picking the best. Yours was the best.
Thanks. Much appreciated. Regarding your most recent update where you say gender is a way of feeling, I often hear people say this, that they don't feel a certain gender. And I always think to myself "well, how is being a man supposed to feel? How am I, as a male, supposed to feel on a day-to-day basis that identifies me as a man and differentiates me from a woman? And the at the absence of this feeling no longer qualifies me as a man?" And the answer is there isn't. There isn't a uniquely male or female "feeling", unless people want to start endorsing socially-defined gender stereotypes and "toxic masculinity" more fully, which on some level I think society does. Just not on a level it wants to acknowledge.
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2281- Is your question just a construct and therefore meaningless? This seems to have been covered at a recent seminar attended by the "let's change society" crowd. If you want to challenge something, just call it a meaningless construct and then you can ignore it.
Is gender meaningless? Hell, no! Not if you're heterosexual!0|00|0I am surprised that you are strawmanning me like that, tbh. I never said gender was a construct and is therefore meaningless. I was saying that sex is meaningful because it reflects a biological composition worth taking note of; on the other hand, gender is not because that construct is merely a reflection of what someone's preference is.
You asked, "Is gender a meaningless construct?"
I answered, "Is gender meaningless? Hell, no! Not if you're heterosexual!" What is the problem?
Gender is not just something that you declare. I am a man. I have male anatomy. I am not a woman if I simply declare that I am a woman. That is leftist bullshit. If I am delusional, I can call myself a zebra but that does not make it so.
Gender is a concept whether you like it or not, and is separate from sex, which I think you may be conflating it with.
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No, just because the left made gender up and you disagree with it, doesn't make it non-existent. It is an idea that people in our society have constructed; hence, it is a social construct.
You are more than welcome to think it is a dumb construct and that is probably where we both agree.@Twinrova I disagree I see sex and gender as synonims of each other. But maybe its just facts that in my language they bouth are translations for single word. Mind its older language than English.
Lets see word gender was used in grammatical sense in English till about mid 50s when sexologist John Money intruduced distinction beatween sex and gender as rolle. It wasn't till 70s when feminists started using it as an idea. Then social science took ower from anywhere 80s to late 90s. Only in 2011 food and drug administration statred using gender as more social term.
Boy you have at best 70years and at worst 9 years of idea of gender as social construct. But lets be real its probably at 20 to 30 year mark.
So at the end you can argue all you want, as there are people who learned it as word with tottaly different meaning as you want to press on, and lets be honest they aren't that old.
So at the end you have about 50 more years to see if gender as social construct remains or goes back to its roots. Also there is chance that it will become only part of American English.
- Well its not a declaration, its quantifiable and measurable (and has been measured and extensively studied). What the left is doing isn't reality, its cultural destruction. By removing the rules they think they can reinstate their own. That is why they alter definitions regularly.
Racism originally was believing in the innate superiority or inferiority of a group of people based upon race. So the left changed it into a power dynamic unrelated to race and which allows some to be racist (by original definition) and others not. This takes away the power of the word racist as its applicable only one way (i. e. its a academic version of the phrase "I'm rubber your glue what ever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you").
They changed the definition of marriage from a reproductive contract between a man and a woman (hence it requiring consumation and a legallyl binding contract to exchange goods and services indefinitly between the two participants) and they changed it into being about "love" making the instutition of marriage effectively meaningless (you can enter and exist at whim, its purpose has no longer been about reproduction and creating a stable enviroment for children thus allowing for the break down of the family unit (something they have been championing from the begining (they wish to replace the family structure with the government).
They now do it with gender to destroy gender roles in an attempt to try and turn us all into replaceable cogs in a machine, to destroy the family structure, to create a larger working class that also is not their to raise their young so that we become dependent on the government to do it for us (hence them pushing for public schooling and being against school choice. It allows them to raise and indoctrinate children into their ideology without the parents knowledge or consent.
This is what they do, they do it in every nation socialist try to subvert and break the system in order to "reset the bones" of society into one they find most appealing (it fails every time, but like an angel of death (the serial killer) they are drunk on the power of it so they keep trying to the detriment of every one else.0|00|0Gender and sex are essentially the same thing. It is a rare occurence (transgenders) that its flipped but that is a medical condition. Its like saying that because medical conditions can say change the placement of the heart, that the heart has no specific location within the body, that is simply not the case. The abnormality is not the norm, that is why its an abnormality.
Every study on the brain we have shows that the brain structure of a woman is consistent with being a female and the brain structure of a mans brain is consistent with being male. There behaviors are consistent with their brain structures which are consistent with their gender with very very very few exceptions (less then 1% of the population is transgender and if we add homosexuals into the mix (who have slightly more neutral structures (i. e. gay men have structures that are similar to female structures as well as having male ones (they are more androgenous (but still distinctive to their gender)) that is still at the highest estimates only 10% of the population. So for all intents and purposes sex and gender are one and the same.
- No. They will tell you that everything is purely constructed by society. But that is scientifically incorrect.
They will tell you that different cultures express gender differently. And that is the justification for why gender is merely a social construct.
So to answer your question, you must go and actually do some research and learn about different societies, different cultures across time and across the world.
Masculinity and femininity exist in every single culture, and although there is some degree of spectrum, there is no culture where men raise the babies and women hunt for food.
So to debunk the idea that it’s purely a social construct, one only needs to do actual research on a variety of cultures to see that gender is not a construct as much as they lie and tell you it is. They expect you not to do the research yourself.
Not to mention the biological realities between men and women. Which are also scientifically concrete and undeniable. They aren’t that big. But they do exist.
The problem is it’s all politicized. The conservatives want to say that humans have a pre determined social order and structure as dictated by biology, and liberals want to say that biology has zero influence and we are makers of our own social order.
So to justify each sides “moral” belief, they twist facts to fit their moral belief, rather than fitting their moral belief to the facts.0|00|0 - Gender is complex. It can’t be defined absolutely. It has a biological component. It has a see component. And it has a personal component. Those who claim that gender is biology are ignoring the reality that each society defines gender differently. And if there are so many social differences, there are necessarily individual differences as well. Biology is not destiny.
When discussing gender on the individual level, it is not a matter of declaration. It’s a matter of identity. And this is itself very complex. Gender, race, intelligence and attractiveness are all qualities that have biological, social and individual implications.
When people attempt to enforce rules about how individuals must behave based on any of these categories, it causes serious problems. This is the essence of discrimination. Of these, discrimination against people who violate gender norms is both legal and tolerated. For example, murders of transwomen are seldom even investigated, indicating that they deserved to be murdered.0|00|0 - Well technically in the old times, it seemed more efficient for certain people to take certain roles. Some were even enforced. With that and normal human behavior, these constructs started to arise
the issue with the question is that as the others stated, these roles or behaviors fall into the category of intersubjective (this is actually also where politics and time falls too... to an extent). Some people still argue for a need to adhere to those roles. I think one should make sure the benefits of those roles and behaviors are maintained in this society.
also one could argue that it’s already happening with the gender fluid and “my gender is a sock.” Calling it “degeneration” or “disintegration” of the gender norms that were applied before.
My opinion about this question is the same as the anonymous guy below who stated that “they would still make differentiations.” People feel the need to categorize things. It’s how we survived. So I still see the title maintaining itself... or at least people referring to “feminine” or “masculine” as qualities in a person or pointers to archetypes.0|00|0Im sorry seamed to be efficiant to take some rolles for gender? Are you aware that woman are not as strong as men, there bones are weeker, heart smaller than men's.
There eyes see more color than mens but mens eyes are more suttable for spotting moving objects. There is real reason for most of gender rolles. More appropiate question would be are they still walid and usefull in modern world.
- Sex should be meaningful Traditionaly Sex was between man and woman where the man could demand This was changed to protect women from rape or sexual abuse These were when Genders of opposite sex Now things are so different Which became Same sex part of a song in 1978 the relevant verse as Boys will be Girls and Girls will be boys Its a mixed up world for my Lola This maybe when Genders were looked at differently Growing to the society we live in Where same genders are accepted as a loving couples Is gender significant today Not so much but the person is0|00|0
- Researchers went deep into the jungle and found some young apes that have never socialized with people. They tossed a pile of human toys onto the ground and the male apes played with the cars. The female apes picked up the stuffed animals and tried to baby/nurse them. There's also studies that show women can't handle stress as well as men and (most) any idiot knows that men have denser muscle mass... we could go on and on.
So there are deep biological differences between male & female even if some women want to act like men & some men want to act like women.0|00|0 - I would say both are fairly meaningless. Sex is complicated, far more than what can be simplified into man/woman or even a few more options, likewise with gender identity. As you said yourself, sex at least reflects something biological but instead of accepting the biological we add a largely unnecessary step.
In my opinion this just gets in the way. People generally dont need to know what someone else identify as or what their biological sex is precisely to know what they like and do not like. It also creates unnecessary divisions such as the male/female disparities in society. It would just be so much easier if we gave up the pretense that we were in control.0|00|0 - No it determines what Sex You Are.. You have a what a worm hanging off down there or a weird looking fleshy hole ( it is to die for , I highly recommend recreational fun) Worrmy or fleshy hole of power determines your gender.
There's other facets of gender that make you a lover of fleshy holes or a worm gobbler. Although those are not necessarily indicative but there's all kinds of different things that will make you a boy or a girl.
But you can only change your gender in your imagination. Prove me wrong... Its science man, science.0|00|0 - Anonymous1 moI don’t find gender meaning less yk I saw a kid who’s 8 on a story on YouTube he is transgender BUT THE CATCH IS she dresses like a girl and acts like a girl but considers herself a boy. I don’t have a problem with that but yk if I accidentally call u by a she or a female yk sometimes it’s not on people. She /he said that gender doesn’t matter and it does because I mean it always has it’s the two main genders and when your born it’s a male or female. If people change it that’s okay but it should always matter I’m straight and prefer masculine men so If he comes out as she/ he or smth I wouldn’t know or a femboy0|00|0
- Because that declaration is of the continuation of the species. Some might consider that to be significant.
Beyond that, having experienced love, I am a true believer that we are only half of the human equation, and that the other half, your soul mate, completes us as individuals, by making the pair, complete.0|00|0 - Gender can't be meaningful if it is only attached to a declaration. If I declare I'm a dog, that means nothing except that I'm delusional and need help. Dressing and acting and feeling a certain way will never change your DNA. Males can't reproduce with males and don't share the same bone structure, DNA, or organs as females and vice versa.0|00|0
By gender original use in linguistic, by becoming dog you still are masculine in English. Gender was used to describe word as feminim, masculim animim? Or any other clasification.
- Gender is based on biology. I reject the notion that it is a social construct. Gay and bi is still male and female. Trans (gender dysphoria) is a rare mental disorder. I don't claim that it doesn't exist or that it can be treated. But I strongly object to teaching children to question their gender. Boys should embrace their masculinity and girls should embrace their femininity.0|00|0
You are old enaught to know that gender is used in linguistic to describe word as masculine or feminim or any other clasification. I gues sex ang gender become synonims due to its use in grammar.
- Everyone can find their own meaning of it.
Some will heavily argue gender=sex.
For others its a huge part of their identity, look how many got "non-binary" as part of their bio on twitter and other social media.
Also comparing how the definition of any gender evolves or how it is different from country to country can give a lot of information about that society.0|00|0 - I personally like existential philosophy. So basically everything is inherently meaningless but in that we can create meaning for ourselves. The problem is we have to take responsibility in that creation of meaning. Like most responsibility people push it away on to other factors.0|00|0
- i know actual transgenders went through surgery (female to male not faggots) its very demeaning say someone just claims they something else the same as someone trying transition from one to other. 2 GENDERS YOU CAN SWITCH BUT there's ONLY 2. and if it was a social construct people wouldn't switch men and women have different expectations in society.0|00|0
- I think people were too much hairy earlier so it was know whose male and whose female but the difference to know would bd the breasts and no pee pee so to not fuck with the own kind the ladies getting pregnent and distinguish who get impregnated that classification was made0|00|0
- Your gender IS your biological sex, they only changed the meaning because social constructionism got trendy in late 90s until present day. People seem to confuse gender with self-image. I might have a self-image of being an apache helicopter, but try putting that on my birth certificate.0|00|0
- Huh. I never thought of that. I think it more so has to do with the physical and mental structure. Men and women have different parts. Men and women also go through puberty at different ages in their life. And women or girls tend to become more mature and less childish earlier in life. Therefore gender is based off of physical and mental structure.0|00|0
- Gender and Sex are synonyms, Gender is the same as Sex, however if you are talking about the expression of sexuality (ie Masculine and feminine) it should be more modren, something decided unrelated of gender, for example, the most popula are non-binary they chose to express their sexuality neutraly (masculine and feminine but not one or the other), and the group consists of both genders.0|00|0
Man i thought the same but it looks like gender is linguistic construct to describe words as masculine, feminim, neutral, animin? Or any other word clasification. Reason why it become synonim to sex might be because of its use in linguistic.
Or maybe because in most languages, sex and gender are literally they same word, this is true for slavic and Asian languages. The reason English has gender and sex seperetly is because English is the Black Sheep of languages.
I would not call it as black sheep of languages, but its true that English have taken multiple of bad habits. Its also true that in grammar you can have different word clasifications up to animalistic.
Ps. its also true for baltic languages.
- I don't believe so. There may be bi people who don't mind either of the two predominant sexes, but they may only be attracted to feminine men and feminine women. This doesn't properly align with our current wya of regarding things, but if instead of heterosexual you had like a femasexual or something like that, then gender-like social constructs may be significant.0|00|0
- So if I declared that I am a women and go into the women bathroom and they were all naked it wouldn't be considered wrong at all cause I am women now. Same thing goes for the other gender as well. In short gender keeps creeps from doing creepy things. It keeps key markets flowing, why would men want to buy diapers or uh period stoppers. We dont need them but the women do. There are other examples but basically it keeps everything nice and tidy0|00|0
- For all intents and purposes they're the same thing.
Now we can argue semantics all we want, but in my experience people use these terms interchangeably.
The only exception being the psych student snowflakes trying to push a pseudoscientific jargon that makes astrology look like newtonian physics.0|00|0 - Anonymous1 moIt used to be 'gender' was a fluffy way of saying 'sex' as the latter was frightening to some people.
Nowadays kids seem to use the word as a freedom of expression so whereas before it was annoying but defined, now you might well define it as meaningless.0|00|0 - Gender needs to die. It needs to not matter anymore and we need to stop gendering things. Sex is different though. We need a way to present our sex without gendering, as some people are only attracted to certain sexes, or want to make a baby naturally or something. But right now gender is not a meaningless construct so you need to respect someone's gender identity, pronouns, etc.1|10|3
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Why do you say that? Im 45. When I was 15 no one thought like you. There was no one unsure about being male or female. Some people were gay and some people were gay from the very beginning like my cousin. But this is just a bunch of nonsense.
Do you think that you would believe this way
had you been born the same time as me? You know how I explain that this "genderless mania or gender mania" since there are like 64 geners DID NOT EXIST 25 years ago. . So if you were you were born back then do you think that you would be questioning your gender or trying to do away with gender? Just answer that question for me.
When you have a prosperous Society of Plenty and people use loose side of what it's means to have an empty belly this is what happens. The youth come up with all the dumbass shit and act like they've got it worse than anybody ever in the world. You guys need to read some damn history and you'll feel a lot better about your situation but none of you have read in the history and tell that.
I was very similar to the youth now when I was young. I was ahead of my generation and foolishness LOL could not tell me a whole lot although I did listen to people a lot better than your police defending a genderless tekashi69 hopeless whiner generation.. sorry did I cover everything? Tekashi69 the best thing about you generation I'm a fan
now Look at Papa giving you a lecture. My my how things change!You know what this is all about don't you the whole gender thing? It's just a rebellion against God that's all it is so basically you're siding with Satan I don't know how to put it any more basic terms than that. What's so wrong with ginger anyway? The beautiful thing that God made
I think their lives may be considered easy in the context of time. I think that's what they're making reference to. Like never in the history of man has there been such a prosperous times in the last couple hundred years or even the last 50. I don't think that necessarily mean that their life's easy all around. think they mean basics go shelter food, avoiding sickness that kind of thing
I would applaud them that they are able to recognize and appreciate things where is most people young people don't even want to give the first thought about that kind of thing. I certainly see what you're saying about suffering for Christ.. I don't live a typical Christian lifestyle but try because I love the Lord. I do the best I can anything else I would be fake for me I thinkIn my opinion gender can be helpfull as it gives some people a sense of confidence and belonging. Of course It can be used in the oppisite way as well but I have multiple friends who have said that they would not like to be called by the oppisite pronouns so I think that proves my point.
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Gender and sex are different things
Gender= identity
Sex=genitals
If my mother and father did not want to have a child then that would be perfectly fine since I would not have a brain I would not even be aware or care for the fact that I wasn't born.
- Some men are feminine, some femail are manly. Their choosing what suites their personality. The issue is "male" and "female" are turns originally used to classify a persons genetic marker. People use it out of context now.0|00|0
- Originally it was for reproductive classification and gender wasn't a thing, but it eventually became the common classification for gender, until the understanding of genetics and hormonal balance came into play. The human genome is a super complicated thing and can't truly be simplified, especially with chimeraism being common0|00|0
Originally gender was used for grammatical categories not to describe sex. So in reality its linguistic construct to represent if word is masculine, feminim, neutral or any other clasification.
- gender is a way of easily categorising people, it is very normal, and has been used for the entirety of human existence. I don't see how it's meaningless. it doesn't have a strict meaning of course, but its just a way to describe someones appearance.
for example, if there was a criminal the police wouldn't say "a non binary person with brown hair was seen stealing from..." because nobody could identify them.1|00|0This description might actually be more helpful depending on how the criminal looked physically. Some people look non-binary too.
- Anonymous1 moGender (there are only two - male and female) is nature. Sex and gender are the same and we have only two - male and female. It is biological and natural and nobody can change this only because they want to. That’s craziness4|63|1
What about intersex people, who are born with the physical characteristics of both sexes? What about non-human species which have three or more sexes, or switch between multiple sexes in their lifetimes?
Being born intersex isn't an illness. Some people are born with male and female genitalia - they are just as human as you and me, so if there are only two genders which one would you apply to them?
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- Nope.
A few dipshit psychologists wanted to keep tenure, and sell books to dimwits. They proposed "gender" was a construct in society and mind, with little basis in genetics.
It's bullshit of course, but if you make the argument and fiddle enough data then you can push through anything in the courts.0|10|0 - Anonymous1 moThe term 'gender' used to be meaningful because it meant the same things as 'sex' and could be used more freely than the word 'sex', which makes some people uncomfortable. But today gender is essentially meaningless because it has been hijacked and conflated with all sorts of subjective nonsense that has rendered the term meaningless.0|00|0
- Of course it is.
I believe there are 389,615, 435 genders.
I for one am a transgender giraffe. My correct pronoun is he long-cock/non-she/they.0|10|0 - No it's not. People are too transfixed on making it a bigger deal than it really is and it is ridiculous. You are either a dude complete with a dick and two balls or a chick with breats and a pussy.0|00|0
- 💁🏻♀️ Penis = Man Vagina = Woman 🤦🏻♀️ It’s never been more simple 😇5|71|0
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- We give it meaning, just like we do with all of aspects of our personality. What does it matter if you identify as a Conservative, or a Christian, or a dog lover, etc?0|00|0
- Anonymous1 moOf course, species is meaningless too, I'm actually a monkey, a 6 year old monkey who desires to mate with with humans around the age of 14, I also don't identify as a slave to human law, which means I have complete freedom to do whatever I want, including fucking your mom0|00|0
- meaningless construct? why u must speak in riddles?
gender is jus a word to describe what kind of genitals u was given at birth,
if u disagree... why does gender and genitals sound kinda similar? its cos theyre both directly linked1|21|0Well gender is different than sex. Your sex is what your born with but sometimes people are born as a female but their brain feels like they're male. So gender is a little meaningless because it only describes what you identify as. Also your point with them sounding the same doesn't make any sense. There are thousands of words that sound alike that don't mean the same thing. (for/four, flower/flour, weather/whether, etc).
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@Tango24 "why does gender and genitals sound kinda similar?"
giphy.com/.../newyorkcomiccon-mind-blown-nycc-3o7TKSjRrfIPjeiVyM@AnnNoid yeah it can be confusing sometimes. I kind of like to think about how these situations (trans, non binary, gender fluid, etc) existed for forever it's just now we're putting words to it. It makes it easier to accept and adapt to certain situations for me. I think a lot of people fall in the trap of how there's so many words nowadays and they no longer put in the effort to respect people's titles so whenever I ever find myself thinking that I just remind myself that we're just labeling something that already existed and that definitely helps me! :)
- Anonymous1 moeveryone uses the word "gender" incorrectly. it refers to pronouns in writing, him/her, he/she etc.
whether someone is a male/female, boy/girl, man/woman, or how they declare themselves in these ridiculous times, is all "sex," not gender
it's the retards on TV news who get everyone to use it incorrectly0|30|1 - Anonymous1 moI think people over complicate gender way to much, you’re either man or a woman. Simple as, I don’t see why it should it be made into something so confusing3|52|0
- Anonymous1 moThere are TWO and they are not “declared”, they are defined by your sex. The mental issue (gender dysphoria) which society has normalized does not make this a thing.
We are simply letting the mentally ill call themselves helicopters and letting them pretend it’s true.
Biology doesn’t care about your feelings
Males have a penis and are created to have sex with Women who have vaginas.0|00|0 - I am consciousness, having and experience in an earth-suit. Whatever sexual organ it may have in this particular lifetime is meaningless. Find what gives meaning to your life and live it.0|00|0
That is obviously ridiculous because to say that our biology is meaningless is to say all the important phenomena attached is likewise. For example, you'd have to also say reproduction is meaningless, which I doubt you would.
You obviously have issues with comprehension. Read what I said again. I said WHICH ORGANS you have is meaningless. Men enjoy sex. Women enjoy sex. If either of them didn't they would not have sex "just to reproduce". Unless for some other funny reason, like work force or something. But then aren't there enough humans on this small planet already? It does not have infinite carrying capacity, let alone resources. I digress.
Anyway, if sex were such an essential thing in nature as you are trying to portray it there would be no such thing as asexual (parthenogenetic) reproduction.
Looking at your original question the way you phrased it, humans are, as you seem to be aware, the only animals that have genders. Gender, as we all know, is a psychological identity as male (masculine), female (feminine), nonbinary, transgender, and so forth. No other animals show any evidence of such psychological identities. Sex is different from gender. Sex means the state of being male, female, or hermaphroditic.
You ask how could gender be relevant. Relevant to what? It's only relevant to the experiencer. And you are probably aware of the plethora of alternative genders, like gender neutral, non-binary, agender, pangender, genderqueer, third gender, etc. Who do you think these are relevant to?I know that is what you said. Implicit in that however, is that sex is also meaningless because the organs you refer to have everything to do with sex. Sex gives meaning to almost everything because it is at the heart of so many of our interactions.
I don't know who you are quoting by the way, because I never said we have sex just to reproduce, lol.
I don't ask how gender can be relevant. Please read the update. I don't blame you for skipping past it. I often do that myself.
- Anonymous1 moWhat's kinda funny about the folks who suggest we should get rid of gender altogether is that if we did that (and I don't think it would be a problem at all by the way) we would STILL categorize people--we'd just go back to talking about biological sex which is incontrovertible and IS binary for 99+% of the population.
Bring it on!1|10|0 - If I declare I'm a moose does that make me a moose?https://www.youtube.com/embed/Qv81zIIeHw00|00|0
- No and yes.
Gender roles are but I believe that in some cases Identifying as either male or female can give some people confidence and happienes.0|00|0 - Gender is not a construct. It is a biological reality.
You should stop drinking the Cultural Marxist Kool-Aid.0|00|0 - Declaration, you mean some one just tells you their gender or anything they like not based on science.0|00|0
- If you're a single celled amoeba, whose only sexual activity is cellular mitosis then yeah, you could call it meaningless. However, if you're a human being that actively uses sexual organs to reproduce because that's how we evolved, then the question is meaningless.0|10|0
- Common sense has just gone out the window... let’s gender reassignment our 6 year old... fuck your gender bullshit. That’s not your choice to make and as a parent you should be teaching your kids to fit in not be different.0|10|0
- when mom gives birth they say - congratulations , you had a boy or a girl - ! thanks4|20|0
- Yes and no. There is not much of a sexual dimorphism in humans but we still have some big biological differences.0|00|0
- You’re either a boy or a girl nothing Else, the rest is made up and you can’t change your dna3|62|0
- Gender is determined by weather you have a XY chromosome pairing or an XX chromosome pairing. So no gender isn't a consept it's a consequence of genetics0|00|0
- Gender in the social sense , yes
Because gender roles are mostly a social construct
Now gender by biology is not a social construct, it's biological0|00|0 - I think these new age concepts of gender being a construct are what's meaningless.0|00|0
- Why is it nature knows the difference and importance between a boy and a girl but humans don’t... like we are literally the only ones who do this delusional shit.0|30|0
i mean we are also the only ones that build building and work for a living as we are more evolved than animals in the wild?
I’m not talking about building buildings, I’m talking about the importance of knowing what a man and women is
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Did you say something about evolution? More like rapidly. When a people turns on its own Nation which is the most prosperous that's ever existed on the planet they are decadent and doomed you guys don't appreciate food shelter any of the basic things which actually take quite a bit of work to make sure everybody is provided with these things because it's not always been this way in history. I'm talking to running water clean running water bathrooms you guys have no context at all for anything
All the opportunities given you
and appreciate anything your BRATS!! little brats is what you are like little brats that needs a spanking that's what you remind me of. Like the kid in the store that everybody is annoyed by and nobody thinks that kid is cool at all no one except maybe the other kid that's crying with them
- Anonymous1 mo"How could gender be relevant if it is only attached to a declaration?"
It's not.
When it's not solely dependent on a declaration, then it's actually useful.0|00|0 - What declaration?
If you are born with a penis, you are a man. End of story.0|00|0Apparently that doesn’t mean jack shit anymore. It’s what’s on the ✨inside✨ that truly counts.
Well, if i say i am a fidget spinner, and that's how i feel inside, you'd think i'm retarded.
That's also what i think about people declaring themselves made up stuff.They’re similar to flat earthers in my opinion. Trying so hard to convince people something that we clearly see isn’t true.
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My buddy and were trying to convince a dude that earth is flat, because he tilts easily, it was so fun watching him arguing with us, looking up all the scientific facts that it's round, while we laughed and trolled him further making up our own facts, and calling it "scientific fact".
Surprisingly that lasted for months. 😂He didn't realise we were trolling him, he thought we really believed in flat earth, and was trying to convert us...
Even @ professors of the university we attended on his posts calling us out...
What a silly guy.
- Nope. Gender is a biological and psychological difference. So called "transgender" is a meaningless construct.
Simples...0|00|0 - It's certainly not meaningless. If you believe it to be a societal construct, it is certainly a cornerstone one.0|00|0
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