There's been plenty of US court cases where hate speech has been held to be so and not protected under the First Amendment. These were overturned by the US supreme court. However, it has been shown that this was ultimately dependant upon the socio-political climate in the US at the time. As there were periods where this shifted in opposing directions before settling where it is currently. With everything going on this year with BLM and such it may end up being that hate speech isn't considered free speech.
@Silver158 On your last point, that is speculative. Right now, given the shape of the Supreme Court, I think that rather unlikely.As to your previous point, yes. That was my point as well. It is why I wrote at the outset, " There is, in First Amendment law, no such thing as "hate speech." THAT TERM BEING OF RELTAIVELY RECENT VINTAGE AND APPLYING MOSTLY IN A CULTURAL CONTEXT. As a matter of the First Amendment - and the Supreme Court rulings made pursuant to it - "hate speech" does not exist and is, nominally at least, protected." (Emphasis added.)In terms of Supreme Court being the final arbiter of First Amendment questions, this the case. Other lower courts have indeed dealt with the question. None who have attempted to so define it and ban it have prevailed to date.
Yeah my point was purely speculative. I personally think it may go that way though. But who knows.
@Silver158 There is little point in tormenting oneself with such speculations. Disraeli famously said that, "Finality is not in the vocabulary of politics." Thus few things can ever be fully ruled out.However, that does not require that we assume the worst - or the best - absent some indication that things are moving in a given direction. To repeat then that, for the time being at least and the foreseeable future, given the current composition of the Supreme Court, the odds of "hate speech" being defined and not given some First Amendment protections is - relatively - remote.
doesn't torment me at all mate. I live in the UK so
@Silver158 My favorite country outside of my own!!! God save the Queen!!!
Not American, but I agree its really hard to define hate speach. You can ban topic like holocaust didn't happen, but you can't ban saying transpeople are gender there real gender not after changes. Because you just can't be oposit gender. I will respect there decision but I will not agree on there logic, so dont press me on it and you wil be fine.
everything is going to be "hate speech" under Harris
What constitutes hate can sometimes be a gray area. It’s why you don’t open that door to government intervention. I don’t think everything will be labeled hate under Harris but she won’t coddle the racists that Trump enables, nor should she.
@Roxxy99 bingo. You give me faith that some logical women still exist. The insane Marxism I’m seeing in some of these young women is scary.
Free speech and a free press are the basically the bedrock of liberty. We’ve reached a point politically in this country where people increasingly want government to intervene in speech, either not realizing or caring that it will destroy it. The left wants hate speech banned. The right now wants government to regulate the internet and social media. All of it is just bad juju.
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Reading yalls replies its no wonder people are marxists. Your arguments are retarded lol. Roxxy the only person to make the argument and not sound like an idiot.
@Kaazsz yep. I must be even tougher to be a woman with common sense than a man. More women voted yes to hate speech regulation than no. She’s got guts.
@guesswhoseback There was a time on this site when you would NEVER see female support for a "conservative" opinion besides rissyanne if she's still around (she blocked me back when I was a rampaging leftist). These days I see pink upvotes and pink replies who are in favor of liberty all the time.
@Kaazsz I’ve been on and off this site for 11 years. I can tell you that back in 2010 people didn’t even act half insane as they do now. There were always conservatives vs. liberals of course. But nowhere near the extent there has been in the last 5 years.
*near the extent of the complete insanity.
@guesswhoseback the far left is on the ideological rise. Liberals are a dying breed and marxists are reproducing at rapid rates. But seeing women actually make non leftist arguments and show support gives me hope that we won't someday starve to death in a socialist "utopian" overthrow lol.
@Kaazsz there is a great division happening inside the Democratic Party. Many former democrats believed in social liberalism but also in the American dream. Now democrats have a choice to make. Go communist or leave the democrats. You can either be independent or defect to the GOP.
@Kaazsz I’m not a conservative. I’m more of a libertarian. Free speech infringements are often supported by both the left and the right.
@Roxxy99 Same as me. I put conservative in quotes though lol. Because I don't consider myself a conservative at all. But to people on the left, libertarians are just ultra conservatives on steroids, oh and apparently we are racists too lol.
@Kaazsz Neither party supports liberty we live in a country where having shrooms less adictive and harmful then alcohol or weed gets higher sentence then rape. Gun laws are another law to target everyday people.
@israelisevil I agree 100% it is what it is lol.
@Kaazsz yah im just excited for once one party collapses and other one will fall in under a month tops
@israelisevil Michael Malice thinks so too lol
I’ll take a libertarian over a libtard marxist ANY day. They can be a bit weird sometimes but at least they respect other people’s liberties. They often seem to be deeper thinkers about societal issues too.
@israelisevil You’re 100% correct that neither party really supports liberty. Both are eroding the constitution. They’re just doing it in different ways. I threw my vote to Jo Jorgensen in the election. It didn’t mean a whole lot in the grand scheme of things but if we’re going to beat back the worst instincts of the two parties to save speech, privacy, guns, civil rights, and voting rights for all, then we’re gonna need those libertarian voices in government.
Jo Jorgensen sadly isn't any better. She hopped on the BLM bandwagon and preached censorship on Twitter until she became the receiving end of big tech censorship and then flip-flopped. I don't any hardcore Libertarian who'd ever vote for her.
You a wise gal Roxx. Why do you think they call me the Bastard Scorekeeper in certain locales?It's because I always know what the score is. How does Roxy scorekeeper sound?You don't need a green card do you? LOL I'm just kidding around wit ya gal. I can tell you. have skills with the pen. keep it up! take care
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www.saturdayeveningpost.com/.../March 21, 2017 POLITICS AND POLICYTITLE: 6 Surprising Exceptions to Freedom of SpeechSubtitle: Your right to free speech is limited by where you are, what you say, and how you say it.Jeff NilssonAlthough the First Amendment to the Constitution states, “Congress shall make no law… abridging the freedom of speech,” Americans don’t have the luxury of always saying whatever they want. Your right to free speech is limited by where you are, what you say, and how you say it.Here are six areas where your talk can make you liable in criminal or civil court.
1. Obscenity Most of the legal cases that concern sex and free speech have involved publications (a form of speech as far as the courts are concerned). Obscenity is not protected by the Constitution, but it has been difficult to define what is obscene. In 1973, the Supreme Court, in Miller v. California, came up with a three-part definition of obscene material. A work is legally considered obscene ifan average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the material appeals to prurient (appealing to sexual desire) interest.the work depicts or describes, in an offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions, specifically defined by applicable state law.taken as a whole, the material lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.This limit on obscene speech also applies to broadcasting. The FCC controls what is allowed on air, so you can’t broadcast sounds or images that could be offensive to your audience or use language inappropriate for children.However, the Supreme Court has, so far, kept the internet free of obscenity restrictions. You can make whatever statements you want on social media sites, but the owners of those sites have the freedom to censor or delete your content if they find it offensive.
2. LiesLying is covered by the First Amendment, except when it’s not. You can be prosecuted for lying under oath in court (it’s called perjury). You can also be charged with misleading authorized investigators. Remember Martha Stewart’s conviction in 2004? She went to prison for lying to investigators about her stock trading.It is also illegal to run dishonest advertisements. And if you deliberately tell lies about people, you can be hit with a lawsuit in civil court for either libel (if published) or slander (if spoken).Politicians, on the other hand, have broad protections against being prosecuted for lying, and citizens largely have free rein to criticize their governments, even if the comments are false. Luckily for late night talk show hosts, the First Amendment allows citizens to satirically mock a public figure.
3. ViolenceYou can’t make offensive remarks or personal insults that would immediately lead to a fight. You also can’t threaten violence to a specific person unless you’re making an obvious exaggeration (for instance, “I’m going to kill my opponent at the polls”). Finally, you can’t knowingly say things that cause severe emotional distress or incite others to “immediate lawless action.”In 1951, the Supreme Court concluded in Dennis v. United States that the First Amendment doesn’t protect the speech of people plotting to overthrow the government.
4. Students’ SpeechStudents have limited rights of free speech while in school. In 1986, Bethel School District v. Fraser upheld the right of a school to suspend a student for making an obscene speech. Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier, 1988, supported a school’s right to censor student newspapers. However, many states are now passing laws to grant broader First Amendment protections to student speech.
5. Offending Your Friends and CoworkersYou don’t have the right to say whatever you want in someone else’s home or other private setting. And, as an employee, believe it or not, you have no free-speech rights at your workplace. The Constitution’s right to free speech applies only when the government — not a private entity — is trying to restrict it. For example, an employer can legally fire an employee whose car bears a campaign bumper sticker he doesn’t like.It’s a different matter for government employees. In Elrod v. Burns, the Supreme Court ruled in 1976 that the Constitution prohibits government employers from discharging or demoting employees for supporting a particular political candidate.The law also prohibits speech that shows clear intent to discriminate or sexually harass.It also prevents employees in medical or financial fields from discussing confidential information outside of work.
6. Expressing Your Political ViewsThe law has never permitted Americans to protest in any way they wanted. While the government can’t control what you say, how you say it must be subject to what the courts consider an appropriate time, place, and manner.Legal authorities have a responsibility to protect the safety of attendees at political gatherings and to protect protestors themselves. If authorities think you pose a sufficient risk, you can be restricted to a Free Speech Zone. These have been used since the 1980s, principally to contain protestors at political conventions.House Bill 347 authorized Secret Service agents to arrest anyone protesting in the president’s or vice president’s proximity. They also have this authority at National Special Security Events. These events have included state occasions, of course, but also basketball championships, the Academy Awards, Olympic events, and the Super Bowl. A conviction can result in up to 10 years in a federal prison (another place where your freedom of speech is limited).
So what you are saying is you want the Trump administration to designate what is and is not "hate speech"?
@genuinlysensitive No, the judicial system does that.
So you want Trump appointed judges doing that...
@genuinlysensitive All judges and Congress do it already, no matter who appoints or elects them.For instance, this is Justice Potter Stewart discussing the First Amendment and porn a concurring opinion to the decision in the US Supreme Court case Jacobellis v. Ohio:"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that."======Anyway, yes, I have no problem with others defining hate speech as long as that definition is within reason. If it isn't, then We the People can use our democratic processes to change it. That's how democracy works.
So disappointed with women it comes to this poll. Not just the numbers but their typical mindless emotionally based responses. Just sickens me they don’t have the logical brain capacity for critical thinking on such a very serious issue. Free speech restrictions is extremely serious threat to western democracy. It won’t stop with making it illegal to make a nasty comment about transsexuals. It will go much further than that. These people voting NO have absolutely no f*cking clue about the danger they are asking for.
It isn't just the left.
@msc545 It most certainly originated with them, and I have not heard of any right wingers pushing the issue.
@msc545 Never heard a right winger say somebody should not be able to say what's on their mind.
@gotc147 right - they just act it out instead.
@msc545 No idea what that even means.
Slander and libel are civil matters, you cannot be arrested for either. The whole point is WHO DECIDES what is "hate speech"? Do you want the Trump administration deciding what is and is not "hate speech"? If they could I am pretty sure you and most of the Liberal reporters of this country would be in jail.
@genuinlysensitive it doesn't matter if slander and libel are civil matters, the point is that you're not free to say whatever you want in this country without legal punishment. Who decides is the same people who decide all the other laws: the supreme court, congress, the senate, president and voters.
Exactly I say jail time for constant offenses- people have taken their lives to cyberbulling and cybercrime - hate speeches are no different
So who gets to judge what is and what is not “hate speech”?
Law enforcement people should take it straight to the authorities I will or report it here on social media apps
@guesswhoseback You know what is Hate speech and what isn’t because of the intention behind it is usually to create fear in someone, making them feel threatened. If that wasn’t the intent people wouldn’t do it and you wouldn’t try to patronize people asking the qualifications.
Who gets to judge “the intention behind it is usually to create fear in someone, making them feel threatened.” Seriously who determines that? Who has the all knowing moral judgement to decide that?
@ct1243 exactly. Only people worried about justifying “hate speech”, are more than likely the irrationally violent and/or racist with no type of moral compass or remorse that are overflowing with hate.
Had to block this guy and everyone pretty much under my post. Cybercrime and cyber bullying is real and exist based on the actions of hate. People have taken their lives because of harassment and discrimination online.
@guesswhoseback I mean don’t be a dummy about it. If you’re one of those unfortunate souls lacking a moral compass just say that. Even then so everyone does know what is a right or wrong thing to say to someone you just don’t care.
Exactly @Luv2BRealExotic13 taw of these people lack morals and compassion for human kind. It’s disgusting and vile
I guess comedians like Dave Chapplle should be looked up based on your logic.
@ct1243 I was just watching Orange is the New Black. One character says a racial slur to this man abusing her friend. He tries to one up her by pointing out what she said wasn’t accurate. Fact of the matter is he was angry and hurt behind it which made him feel threatened by the woman. The woman replies “It’s hate speech. It’s not meant to be accurate it’s meant to be hurtful.” So people know don’t ask for it to be defined.
@User2300 Do you find it hurtful, threatening your being or way of life or other people’s lives? No. Since I actually have logic which seems to be lacking in most. Why would he be in jail? He’s not trying to endanger anyone. If anything he reiterates the bias he’s seen or personally experienced.
No I’m not an “unfortunate souls” who lacks a moral compass. Rather I’m not stupid enough to put my blind trust into the government to be the ultimate arbiters of truth. That’s been done before in communist regimes with horrifying consequences. Just recently Norway passed a law that any “gay, bi, transphobic” hate speech is punishable by a few and potential jail time whether it was done publicly or in PRIVATE. So if somebody made a joke in their own house about gays then a visiting neighbor, relative or “friend” could report them to the police. At what point does this end? What’s next? If I make a comment that I don’t like a politician could I be thrown in jail? That’s what the late USSR, communist China and the heinous government of North Korea does. What you are asking for is not harmless. It can and will easily be abused by those wielding power to subjugate and oppress people. This is the early stages of communism.
The LGBTQ community claimed his last special was offensive and harmful to trans. Which by definition fall under "hate speech".
@User2300 You are aware he gave a disclaimer at the beginning of his shows acknowledging he may offend people. Key word: offend. He really didn’t say anything wanting to endanger people or put them in harms way as much as he just made fun. He makes fun of everyone not just one group. You can’t justify how a lot of people want to use and weaponize hate speech cause they think it gives them license to physically accost someone and mentally damage them.
Why is the LGTBQ community non mentioning? Dave is a comedian ; we are a sensitive community, but we’re understanding
Totalitarian B. S. Even idiotic speech, other than direct threats and the such, should not be prosecuted. Shun them or boycott them if you want, but stupidity should not be a crime. Otherwise you'll have every SJW petitioning the government to create more and more "word crimes." Oops, you said "he" when that person with XY Chromosomes and a penis prefers "she." That will be ten years.
If that's what you believe then who would set the standards as to what is considered hate speech or not? That system could easily be taken advantage of. There's no way to judge what is considered actual hate speech. It's one thing to say something and for it to turn into violence but it's another thing to just say something and nothing was acted upon. Everyone could potentially be charged with an offence for hate speech in one way or another. So no that wouldn't work at all. It's exactly what you said someone is expressing their opinion. It's an OPINION. That's what makes human beings unique. If you believe someone should be charged for expressing their opinion then move to a country under true dictatorship and express your opinion there. I'm sure your OPINION will change very fast.
@9Livezzz Exactly, "Hate speech" is whatever speech the Censors HATE! So OP, do you want Donald Trump and his administration determining what is and isn't "hate speech"?
In my opinion, it doesn't matter who is president. The same will happen no matter who is in office. The president really doesn't control things anyways. The president is basically just a puppet that relays information to us from the real people who runs things. The reason we still have elections is solely to stir up the public and cause division between the people. Can you imagine the chaos that will happen if he actually does and probably will remain president? The media's job right now is to make everyone believe that Biden is the winner. That way when the official announcement comes stating Trump is the winner, all hell will break loose. I really think that's going to happen unfortunately. One big clue to my theory, Kamala Harris still hasn't sent in her letter of resignation to California. She's not going to step down from senate because she knows she isn't the next vice president. If she was going to be the next vice president, she would of already done it by now.
@9Livezzz you are trying to speak logic into people who are missing chromosomes buddy. I never thought I would encounter people in my lifetime who had this level of stupidity. But they really do exist. If the want as so-called “reset” then we should reset to Mad Max dystopia (1981 Mel Gibson) where lawlessness, rape and murder is a everyday occurrence. Let’s see how much people care about “patriarchy”, “sexism”, “systemic racism” and “hate speech being violence” if that shit happens. Considering these are the same Down syndrome people who want to defund the police they might get what they are asking for. Really too bad they don’t like guns.
I know... I don't even know why I try. The main response back I seem to get back is do your research you conspiracy theorist 🤣🤣 It's funny because it is them who actually have no clue what the hell they are talking about. It truly is sad what this world is turning out to be like 😔 Common sense is going down the gutter. Yeah we will end up either like mad max or the Idiocracy with Luke wilson. There's a lot of funny actors in the movie as well🤣🤣 If you haven't seen that movie I highly recommend it. It's a classic 🤣🤣
@9Livezzz it’s funny that many of these people who want these insane policies will end up being the most hurt by it.
@ct1243 Cyber bullying exists when girl gets nudes leaked not retards argueing over internet. Yah it be nice if it that simple, but think about palestine if you talk about how jews steal muslim land and gas there hospitals it can be called anti semetic if you support israel stealing arab land make jewish collony since 40s then you could be called islamophobic. And it would be used against people who challenge the government. Rape is illegal but the government gives higher sentences for having some shrooms or a lot of weed then rape. American government uses private prisons as slavery its legal as form punishment in constitution. Its too hard to enforce and there's bigger problems to deal with like sexual assault and sex trafficking wich governments turn blind eye too
I have no clue how to tag people's names on here but @guesswhoseback I don't think it's funny because they are being lead to have those opinions for some reason. I find it sad how they are being drilled by someone they trust with these opinions so frequently to the point where they eventually believe it to be true as well. Seems like most people have a hard time taking a step back and looking at the situation through their own eyes. They will take someone's opinion as a fact and live by it. If someone they trust or someone they look up to kept telling them that the color grey is extremely ugly and that it shouldn't even exist over and over again. Eventually that person will end up not liking the color grey. I think that's what the problem is. To many people are being told a bunch of crap and they believe it and then spread that crap onto others and so on. It works kind of like a virus in a way 🤣🤣
Oh shut the tag worked sweet! Now I know how 🤓
@israelisevil I totally agree with what you said there.
But that is the thing. You DON'T get to decide what constitutes hate speech. A group of government and/or corporate censors are put in place to DECIDE what hate speech is. In reality "hate speech" is any speech the censors HATE!
Except being a racist and saying racist things is not illegal.
1. Libel is a civil matter you CANNOT be arrested for it.2. It is not against the law to be racist, for all you Fascists out there this is NOT an endorsement of racsim, just a simple fact.3. You CANNOT be arrested for saying things against the government aka Treasounus. You can only be arrested for treasonus actions. Otherwise pretty much every democrat on this site and in the media would have been arested by Trump by now. Are you saying you want the Trump administration to decide what constitutes "hate" or "treasonous" speech?
@genuinlysensitive LOL I like you! You're funny!
What your saying essentially ensures government outsourcing tyranny to multinational corporations.
addendum. You have the right to say whatever you want, and I have the right to call you a dumbass if I think that you're wrong.
Going to jail for simply voicing an opinion? If that happens, then free speech will be dead, and you may as well cross out the First Amendment from the constitution.
What you just said is hate speech, jail for you!
Yes hate speech is why there’s racism in the world ; just like people are killed to hate crime - cyber bullying so should hate speech. The 3 people who thumbed this down is the ignorance of Amerikkka
There won’t a constitutional rights soon and I’ll be glad; America 🇺🇸 needs to learn
Would you still agree if it was Trump who could determine what hate speech is?
I’m glad he’s gone now at least America can heal and reset. He’s part of the problem too and his cult leaders lol 😂 #teambiden4years #donaldtrumpisntmypresident
Could you answer the question more directly?
crmoore who do I owe it too? You or the ignorant people under my post ✌️
I'd imagine that the well-informed could easily refute the ignorant, no? It's a simple question.
“There won’t a constitutional rights soon”Do you have any idea what you are asking for?
It’s time for America to reset I know where things are headed soooon
crmoore you’re asking for it and I don’t have to answer take your ignorant ass on
The fact that you're avoiding the question so desperately is a proper indication that your answer would be "no, if Trump is who determines what hate speech is, I do not agree that hate speech should be banned." And if that is the case, you're likely a hypocrit.
Definitely for the liberals 😂 I can’t wait 😛
Did I say anything about Trump? Idiot you brought him up I can give a rats ass about Trumo? can't wait until security hauls him out The White House here soon. Maybe his cult leaders will sthu
Now you want to argue ( REPORTED)
@ct1243 you would deeply regret if you got actually got what you are asking for. Once you feed the alligator it will eventually come eat you. America will end up like Venezuela if you keep pushing this crap.
Arguing is not grounds for a report. I'll be reporting you for abusing G@G's system and falsely reporting others.
I reported under false pretenses these comments left behind has nothing to do with the original post or my comment @crmoore your trolling and clearly ignorant ( BLOCKED)
But for the record, I didn't say you said anything about Trump. In fact, I said the opposite. I said that you avoided addressing the question about Trump. With this in mind, I find it a bit ironic that you're questioning the intelligence of others.
@guesswhoseback stop 🛑 stalking me and sending me requests ( I won’t be accepting your request)
@crmoore you just mention Trump please seek mental clarity and guidance (BLOCKED)
My comment directly pertains to your comment about hate speech, as mine does as well. The other comments also seem to be about hate speech.
Stalking you? I have never sent you a request. Wtf are you talking about? Nice try attempting to change the subject. You can’t win a logical argument because none exists upstairs for you. Just an emotional temper tantrum child. Why should anybody ever take you seriously?
You sent a request to follow me o have the screenshot I will be sending it to GAG. I’m not accepting any friend requests or following requests. Join the bandwagon of obsessed people stalking me after their BLOCKED
And this ladies and gentlemen, is your typical leftist in their natural habitat...
You’re blocked along with the other racist people
"I'm glad he’s gone now at least America can heal and reset." By having Biden saying he's glad white people become a minority?By having Harris saying they'll help black store owners in priority?By working with BLM who isn't exactly known to be fond of anything else than black people.Sure, for you things might work, but obviously the government you're praising has chosen to divise by race instead of unite, as they pretended.
I don’t support BLM why can black people be helped ; you white people are racists at least on this board.
Seems like Joe Biden doesn’t care for white people wow I never heard that one sorry Guanfei
"Racist" is a nice word right? You just throw it around and that's it.Except that in that case, and many other, it's not true. Just saying I don't agree with all the identity politics bullshit doesn't mean I hate black people. I mean... the next government isn't even in office, and they've already chosen a target, and lead according to race. Is that really the unity they've told people about?"Black people first, the rest after"?
"... the ignorance of Amerikkka..."I'm Australian. Do you people think you're the only inhabitants of planet Earth (apart from when you're bombing a country in the Middle East for Israel, of course)?
Don’t you have issues to worry about in Aussie you people always have something to say about the states worry about your own country and for the fact no international traveling is going on form country to country. I can careless about other countries
Totalitarianism in action.
Yes a lot of you are racist you’re comments will be reported and flagged. Not once did I mention Joe Biden or Donald Trump. You people are nuts and will be blocked and removed
"I’m glad he’s gone now"If you assume this is a done deal then you aren't paying attention to what is going on in the legislatures of states where fraud has been alleged.
Liam do you think I care about Donald Trump go tell the conservatives that. I’m liberal party and Joe Biden will be in office next year ; maybe than you Trump supporters will sthu about Donald Trump and this whiney attitude.
Yes I’m glad he’s gone he was not fit for presidency and currently he’s showing how childish he is while in office. Joe Biden is a better fit for presidency.
Liam_Hayden you can join the bandwagon too
@ct1243I'm sorry, but you're a fucking massive idiot. I assume you have a double digit IQ hovering around the average IQ of 85 for African Americans for you to espouse such retardation of this magnitude. This isn't without also referencing your comical debating skills; you're an emotional train wreck!
If we started banning hate speech than there are most certainly some black lives matter people who will need to be censored, though I suspect that liberals will argue that only white people can be racist and therefore only white people can be guilty of hate speech.
The problem is we've reached the point where hate speech could be classified as just... whatever you find offensivw
@Malik00 that's the problem if they amend the Constitution and say hate speech isn't protected. You will run into the problem where if someone is offended by what anyone says they could be charged with hate speech.
Nah. I despise racists, commies, and Nazis, but I defend their right to speak their idiocy as long as it is not intentional incitement to violence. It is better to know who they are than to have them lurking in the shadows, anyway.
So you want Donald Trump and his administration deciding what constitutes "hate speech".
It should be. It helps identify idiots. Also if government starts regulating "hate" speech where will they stop? Will criticizing politicians eventually be considered "hate" speech? Too slippery of a slope in my opinion.
@Liam_Hayden Goodness you make such a compelling argument, I have to agree. My only problem is hate speech is their safety net (for example) to recruit more kkk members who will happily shoot up places and murder people at night. It's giving them life.
@Liam_Hayden Also, I don't know if criticizing politicians or anyone is hate speech. Hate speech is much more aggressive than that and specific to someone's gender, race, sexual orientation, etc. I'll have to do more research on that
Hate Speech is whatever speech the censors HATE! Would you want a bunch of fascist, KKK members in charge of what is and is not "hate speech"? The kkk, and disgusting organizations like them have fallen out of favor in the public view specifically BECAUSE of free speech.
The kkk isn't very racist compared to us government
@Anon_deals who is a real dangerous threat right now? The ever so numerous kkk members vs. the so called “ideology”’ of Antifa. How in total has caused more violence and destruction in the last 4 years?
@Anon_deals in the UK sweetie hate speakers are not bigots, etc. they are many times Muslims condemning western society. Should they be allowed to speak anymore than the racists
@guesswhoseback You tell me, who's hanging people in trees in 2020? Who's running cars through protesters protesting police brutality? Who pretends police brutality isn't real? Or justified police brutality and murder because the deceased person committed a crime decades ago? Who's killing protesters at night? Etc.
@AshViper hate speech should never be free speech as I was implying. Common sense keep up
@Anon_deals you, you dumb test, only mention racists, etc so that isn't everyone. Too stupid to know what you write?
@Anon_deals can you give me an example of a 2020 white supremacy lynching? Really show me a 2020 example of a neo nazi or kkk member committing crime (and no a white cop doesn’t fucking qualify as a “nazi”) BLM riots have gotten more unarmed black people killed then all the unarmed black men shootings by cops in 2019 (which was a whoooping total of 19) The modern kkk is Antifa. They both use violence and intimidation for ideological goals. They both wear masks. They both instigate hate in name of the “greater good”
@AshViper dumb ass it was an example. Be objective, not an emotional tard, and realize, racism is basically a culture here. Just as sexism amongst other things
@guesswhoseback Look. I don't have the time nor crayons to educate you. Google is free. Also, since you'll be doing your own tard-like research, you'll know what's true because it'll be right in front of you FROM you. Also, again, just because a person doesn't chant "white power" and or wears those white hoods, doesn't make them any less a kkk member. They are committing what former kkk members committed. It's all the same. Society is trying to move on and people are fighting back so of course a kkk member would become a cop, a judge, a teacher, etc to spread their hate and pretend to be normal. Get a clue
Look at everything I commented about earlier. Did I call you a libtard? Did I call you a communist? Did I call you a dumb cunt? No I argued with logic and it’s an argument you can’t win because you don’t have any. So you do the predictable and start screaming racism/bigotry in yet another pathetic and cowardly effort to run away from a debate. BLM rioting and Antifa is destroying businesses, livilihoods, getting people hurt and killed. THEY are initiating the violence not alt-right groups (and I don’t like or support the alt right). Ironically it’s harming people who live in the most vulnerable sections of the country. If you want to “defund the police” then police won’t patrol high crime areas and you will see skyrocketing rates of crime harming minorities. But you won’t listen to that. Oh no. You have to jump on progressive bandwagon because it’s infected with wokeness that ultimately do more harm than fucking covid. What you want will eventually harm yourself and others around you. But you are too stupid to understand that so enjoy your trip down the path of self destruction.
@guesswhoseback *sign* Read my lips and I mean this as sincerely as a person can be ---> I do NOT waste time on people like you anymore. You could all drop expired for all I care so why would I care to educate you? It wouldn't make sense because I don't care about the likes of you. I don't wish you well or a good life, anything related to that. You people are nothing to me. Get it through your head. I made a comment without any intensions to educate retards. Not wanting to educate you does not mean I do not have the means or sources TO do it. I am 100% you'll find other Democrats who would happily scoop to your level and attempt to waste their time on you but I don't because (again) I don't care to
@guesswhoseback now, you think I'm dumb? That's fine. Leave me alone
@guesswhoseback Are you kidding me (BLM is a disguise police are "racist" when in reality they meat there quotas government made of prisoners sold to privateised prison labour read 13th admendment if you dont beleive me) also i want the target riot i got there late so all i got was a leggo set but it cool i only saw one other white guy there so i was worried cause you know not with your own kind but it chillin i still got my leggo set.
@Anon_deals - only dumbass is you, uneducated simple brained American. Racism is far more than just whites, dipfuck
@AshViper who said it was just whites dumb bitch? Fucking retard go read a book