Yeah, girls can't rollerblade because then they would have to take off their high heels! *obv sarcasm*
@devilman666 wearing 5 inch heels is more difficult than rollerblading, so a friend told me,...
Uh... ever heard of roller heels?
@IAMNathanael not heels, but seen trainers with blade wheels, roller heels would be an Olympic sport lol,,,
@Pete671Haha, I'm just kidding around. But Heelys are a real thing made for both boys and girls. I used to own a pair.
@IAMNathanael your fine mate, yes I've also seen heelys in the supermarket, a little girl was whizzing around on them, couldn't work it out at first lol,,,
@Pete671 nah, you friend thinks that cause he's male, girls are naturals in heels just like men are natural with sports like rollerblading, skateboarding, and biking, men and women are built differently and learn at different rates with different things, this is why both genders need their own hobbies with 0 overlap. *continued sarcasm*
Masculinity and femininity is easily determined by nature. Men with short hair. Women with longer hair.Physical strength: Men are stronger than women. Women are physically more fragile.Men are more the leader and head. Women by nature have a more submissive nature.Most clothing is totally different unless its unisex clothing i. e. some t-shirts.
What dictates by nature that women should e. g. skirts? It’s quite the case that nowadays feminine clothing used to be more worn among men in the past. That’s one major hole in the theory that somehow that’s dictated by nature.That’s also with hair. There is no substantial difference between the growth rate of hair of a man and a woman. In ancient Greece, long hair was common for men. Same in Medieval times when short hair for men meant servitude. It’s actually mostly in then20th century where long hair became a big thing for women. Clearly, there is not a consistent hair length throughout-history despite biology staying basically the same. Furthermore, why would physical stature enter this equation that significantly? Does weaker physique imply they automatically should not have career, that they should stay at home, that they should behave in a given way? Not really. For all intents and purposes, a lot of things that people do are not completely conditional on the physique that someone has. Like a guy with stronger physique can still do the dishes just like a weak woman can perfectly well have a demanding job in an office.
Yet you’ll find sufficient number of people on here arguing that women s. g. having an office job is not feminine. Why? The idea that natural gender roles, such as having the capacity to give birth, automatically should determine how someone is raised or the stuff they should automatically do in live is quite archaic. Can a mother have a demanding job while also having kids? Sure. Does having a vajazzle somehow mean that a little girl should play with a barbie doll or watch Winx club instead of Marvels? Nope.
Social constructs are part in place to differ women and men. I'm not against women working. But men and women have their different roles i. e. women wear women clothing and men wear men clothing. Long fair is feminine in nature and men short hair. Gender dysphoria is for the mentally ill. A man can never be a woman no matter what he thinks or feels.
Eh, it’s the case that nowadays feminine clothing used to be worn a lot by men centuries ago. And the standards on long and short hair have also changed over time.Both of those are to a large extent social constructs. And I’m not saying people feel like men or women when they are not as masculine/feminine.
masculinity and femininity are known constants. you don't need to ask what they are. something is wrong with you if you don't know what they are
@007kingifritOkay, so what exogenously determines masculinity and femininity and determines they are known constant?We’ve already established that traits typically seen as feminine/masculine in terms of hair, fashion and more have shifted over time, implying they are not constants. For example, high heels were a masculine thing in France and now you’re seen as effeminate if you wear high heels as a guy.And what basis is there to say beauty standards for masculine/feminine are constant over time? Again, there are wide differences globally and what constitutes the ideal. Do you think super long necks are feminine? In some parts of the world, they are. In other parts of the world, being fat is seen as a healthy and good thing whereas in other places the ideal is to be slim. Even the defining characteristics of what constitutes femininity differs widely between given societies
So no, the idea that femininity/masculinity are constants over time is unequivocally false.Again, the question is what these concepts are to answer that question, and that inherently changes over time.So if in 15 years certain traits that are traditionally seen as masculine (as in 50 years ago) are commonly accepted and promoted among women, it simply is not a solely masculine trait anymore.
nothing, they are just known. every healthy adult knows them without question
So they are based on nothing but they are constant? Yet we can easily verify that they are absolutely not constant over time nor geography.
nope. they're constant
So they are a constant despite them clearly not being constant over time nor geography? Okay
actually they are constant. anything you name that isn't constant would be like "clothing" or something, men are always the hunters and warriors women are always the gatherers and child care giversyou can probably find some backwards tribe in the middle of a remote region but its important to note they didn't promulgate. evolution drove them to extinction's door for their failed ways
Okay fine, so if we ignore all the aspects of femininity and masculinity that change over time, it doesn’t change over time.That, unless you don’t think clothing, fashion, role in society, beauty standards are at all relevant for whether someone can be categorized as feminine or masculine.Should I remind you that typical behavioural traits that define femininity also differ between societies? But hey, yeah I guess you’re right. If we ignore everything that says you’re wrong that they are constant, you’re right! Except ignoring all those relevant things for femininity, such as defining characteristics in character, fashion, beauty standards and role of society is stupid.
And even then, you can reasonably ask whether women predominantly spending caring for children is societal or actually biological.For all intents and purposes, it’s perfectly reasonable to argue that women had to spend more time on that and little else because those chores simply take a lot of time. A dishwasher is more quick than washing by hand. Then there is the relevant factor where women for hundreds of year have basically been forced into that role.Now that the forced role is waning and it is actually far more possible to do things beyond caring for children, women are doing so. Seems like pretty good evidence that that dominant role in life is very much reinforced by society and relevant constraints on how time can be spent (next to biological roles)
lol, nobody intelligent asks if its biological or not that women care for children. every society does it. its biological
Ugh, that’s literally not what I even said. I literally said biology is a relevant factor.The question is whether the time spent on that matter, which people on here like to see as masculine, is determined significantly by society.
Seriously, try reading. Everything you’ve conjured up to now is “if we ignore everything that shows these concepts are not constant, they are constant”
you have provided no evidence gender roles are not constant. they are
Except behavioural traits assigned to femininity being different between societies, beauty standards, fashion and roles in society differing over time and geography, you’re right. So yeah, if you ignore everything that says it’s not a constant, it’s constant!
nope. all of those things are very consistent. all cultures distinguish between male and female fashion. so i don't know why you listed that
Because what encompasses male and female fashion changes over time? For example, high heels used to be male just like skirts.
you're missing the bigger picture. every society distinguishes between male and female fashion. it doesn't matter if the individual fashions themselves change. so fashion is a constant distinction between men and women.its hilarious to say that distinction isn't constant just because the fashion itself changes
Eh, you’re missing the bigger picture. The fact that fashion changes so radically over time with nowadays feminine things seen as masculine implies that the concept of feminine/masculine fashion is not rigid.Obviously there is a distinction between generally male and female fashion. The thing you don’t get is that this distinction is not constant and that fashion is not constant. That means that the things we see as feminine/masculine are not constant, which is the entire point. So much that defines femininity/masculinity changes over time, even if there consistently is a difference between those concepts over time. That implies that femininity/masculinity is not a constant concept. Do you not understand that if masculine/feminine traits change over time that they are not constant? That it is important to define them? It’s utterly ridiculous to argue what you’re arguing. So far that has been that if we ignore everything that is not constant, it’s constant. Now you add that the actual gist of masculine/feminine changing doesn’t matter as long as they are not exactly the same.
the rigid part is that men and women dress differently to one another, and that is rigid
After they are fully grown they can decide whether they wanna be the other sexual identity Hahahha
I've heard gay people say "God never makes mistakes" If that is true, any person is male or female based on what genitalia they were born with.
@Dweezil It's funny though that they say that since being gay is a sin so...
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A woman can be strong and still respect her own femininity.
It's okay to raise your kids the way you want to raise them, but what would you do if hypothetically one of them did turn out gay or transexual?
@Bubbles45 I’m not sure. I am good friends with gay people and think they’re lovely but I don’t know what I would do if my own child were gay. I understand it to be in a person’s nature and isn’t something that can be changed or controlled and I would never disown my child because they’re my blood but I don’t know. I think I would be confused but I will support my child I think. My boyfriend will probably not accept it at all but he won’t disown them. He might just be very angry and he might blame me for it...
Understandable. :) I personally think it's not a choice, if they are then they are and that's that. However if they are influenced by outside sources then I can totally see it as a problem. My parents are gay, I have two mom's, so I was mainly just curious on what your opinion was about it, thank you for the reply.
The way sexual identity is Absolutely
So are the 57 genders some claim to exist social constructs also?
The child's gender isn't yours to choose thats why! its not up to you! the choice is theirs, and if it's how they feel and makes them happy trying to change them or brainwash them into thinking there is something wrong with them is the real freaking abuse and kids are suffering from it dearly through out the world! When all they wanted was to beloved for who they truly were from the the start im trans and my parents were ignorant just like you and it fucked me up bad so take your stupid Ying yang theory and fuck off
The Avatar has spoken, listen to her you Weebs 😁.
You got America to thank for that. Here in the Netherlands, all of a sudden we got "gender neutral" toilets (which no one seem to use by the way). We didn't have these some years ago. I swear it seems that any far-left bullshit America can come up with is making it's way to Europe. If America shits sideways, then all of a sudden people start to shit sideways here aswel
The type of clothes a person wears or toys they play with does not determine their gender. Not everyone is a living stereotype of their sex. It's normal to have some variation.
What are you talking about? You are constantly beating the drum of oppression. Now you are going to hold up America as not oppressive and fascist?
you can't raise children the way they want to be raised. they don't know how they want to be raised
For example I was raised to be feminine but it's not like im a girl girly. Sometimes I like to just be comfortable and do what I feel like, even if it might seem boyish but I dont care
Not sure exactly what you mean.Shouldn't kids embrace who/what they are and to respect the opposite sex/gender. Shouldn't they be taught that males and females are different.
I get what you're saying. But respect doesn't have to be gender based. It should be taught though. But what I mean is that we shouldn't force any gender expression on them, and we should let them express themselves however they want, and have whatever interests they want
Women should be dominantly feminine. Period
that's a foolish thing to say because they don't know what makes them happy until AFTER they are raised
In order for them to be happy, they have to realize, accept and love what they are and how to embrace their own masuclinity or feminity depending on if they are male or female. I'm yet to encounter a man who is genuinely happy without him embracing his masculinity. Nor a woman who is genuinely happy without having embraced her masculinity.
Seriously? I thought you were more conservative lol
@Jonathanlama The question is wholly conservative? He's asking if boys and girls should act according to their gender.