How will 45's term of office end?

Question

(I had to combine several of these because there is a limit of 7 options.)

Respectfully: He will peacefully leave office as every other president before him has done.

By PARDON: He will pardon himself & then leave in some fashion. (Or) He will resign & get president pence to pardon him.

By REMOVAL: The republicons will use the 25th Amendment & remove him from office. (Or) He will be impeached in the House & removed from office by the Senate.

As a COWARD: In his final hours he will flee the country to a nation from which he cannot be extradited, such as Russia. (Or) He will commit suicide.

By SEDITION: He will incite another seditious, riotous Insurrection in yet another Coup attempt to overthrow the will of the people & seize power as any dictatorial demagogue would do.

Other (Or) Some combination of the above. (Explain)

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GirlGuy

Updates:

1 mo

I did not add that he will be arrested & tried for his crimes in any on several states, found guilty & imprisoned for the rest of his days because that will happen after he's out of office.

Answer 1

Dargil | 1K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Master

By PARDON: He will pardon himself & then leave in some fashion. (Or) He will resign & get president pence to pardon him.
*Nope. That's admission of a crime.
By REMOVAL: The Republicans will use the 25th Amendment & remove him from office.
*Nope. There is such a thing as loyalty and they have nothing to gain and will have the wrath of 75 million Trump supporters.
He will be impeached in the House & removed from office by the Senate.
*Nope. There's not enough time and the Senate won't get a super majority.
As a COWARD: In his final hours he will flee the country to a nation from which he cannot be extradited, such as Russia.
*Nope. But he may take an anonymous vacation. And he is not uniformly hated by other nations. Only the Left, cowardly repubs here, the Russians, NORKs, Chinese and Saracens.
He will commit suicide.
*Not the slightest chance.
By SEDITION: He will incite another seditious, riotous Insurrection in yet another Coup attempt to overthrow the will of the people & seize power as any dictatorial demagogue would do.
*Civil war is coming and he will not have to incite it. He did not "incite" the first. The timeline of action and his speech prove that.
Respectfully: He will peacefully leave office (but not like every other president)
*He will, but the Left wants to chase him down and destroy him, so he will take defensive measures. I think he will disappear for a while... an extended anonymous vacation. He will evade the Secret Service, because the Left will corrupt them and use private security, such as retired Navy Seals. As the smoke clears, he will ally himself with a conservative news outlet and haunt Biden and then Harris at least to the mid terms. Trump will not run again, but his son or daughter might.

Teyfet

1 mo
I appreciate your musings, and though he's admitted his desire to skip the inauguration in favor of FL, I believe you too easily ignore the potentiality of events within the week of days we have before the inauguration, & steeply discount his desire not to be imprisoned.
Dargil

1 mo
We will see.

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Teyfet

I appreciate your musings, and though he's admitted his desire to skip the inauguration in favor of FL, I believe you too easily ignore the potentiality of events within the week of days we have before the inauguration, & steeply discount his desire not to be imprisoned.

Answer 3

Dargil

We will see.

Answer 4

abc3643 | 2.9K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Master

I think you need to understand that President Trump is AUTOMATICALLY removed from office on 20 JAN 2021. There is nothing that he can do about it. Nothing.

As to his destiny, he's in very deep shit...
1. He will have enormous legal bills to stay out of prison.
2. He will face charges of financial crimes in New York.
3. He likely will now face Federal charges regarding insurrection and sedition. Since that will be tried in DC, it will be difficult to get a sympathetic jury.
4. Because of his incitements of violence about the election, he is losing business partners left and right. First, he's losing income from canceled contracts. Second, banks that would otherwise have lent him money will no longer do so.
5. Since he has considerable debt and now is a persona non grata in the business world, he will likely have to sell considerable real estate (at a possible loss) to keep The Trump Organization alive.
6. If he attempts to leave the United States forever, few nations will take him. If he's charged with crimes, the Federal Government will revoke his passport. He ultimately would be extradited to the US.

Teyfet

1 mo
You seem to have enumerated the thoughts going through his addled brain even better than he could. :D
He certainly is in very deep shit.

Answer 5

Teyfet

You seem to have enumerated the thoughts going through his addled brain even better than he could. :D
He certainly is in very deep shit.

Answer 6

nightdrot | 2.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Influencer

Did not vote as the ballot options are not all mutually exclusive and some of the possibilities may overlap. Suffice to say that, overall, Mr. Trump will leave office at this point quietly, at least insofar as he is politically toxic and the social media companies have effectively silenced him. To this add an impeachment that is disputably justified on the merits but that is patently unserious in its' execution.

To the former, few politicians at this point would be willing to be associated with Mr. Trump. Among his base, of course, he remains a force. However, among elected officials - and even appointed officials, see also the various resignations - to be associated with Mr. Trump is politically fatal. Thus, Mr. Trump's political leverage is considerably reduced and this in turn reduces to the vanishing point as he goes out the door his capacity to influence events.

Moreover, President Trump's access to his base supporters - who, to be clear, are the once lauded blue collar working class who are now referred to as "deplorables" - was through social media and social media has shut the President down. While a President has the means to utilize mass media, the peculiar connection to his base that was afforded by the likes of Facebook and Twitter has been eliminated.

Though anyone taking any glee from this - and I say this as a Republican who did not support or vote for Mr. Trump - is perhaps premature. In effect, three or four corporations now control the highest elected official in the land and his access to voters. The ramifications of that would terrify a wise society - which this society manifestly is not.

Suffice to say, the old maxim, "be careful what you wish for - you may get it," applies. As indeed does, "today it was us, tomorrow they will come for you." The nation has built a technology the effects of which it does not understand and thus instead of having mastered it has been mastered by it.

Lastly, the President will be impeached - sort of. Odd is an impeachment - allegedly the most solemn of constitutional acts - that does not go through the committee and subcommittee process of hearings and mark-ups. Whose articles of impeachment attack the President's free speech authority - and yet does not quote the offending speech. (A speech which, by the way, Professor Alan Dershowitz says would not constitute incitement in a regular court of law.) Which is to be debated for a day and then held from the Senate for trial until 100 days after the President has left office.

Suffice to add that if Mr. Trump is such a threat to the health and safety of the republic for his 7 remaining days in office, then it is - at best - unclear why the trial in the Senate is to be held in abeyance until such time as it is convenient for the incoming administration. Not to mention that even under Senate rules, the trial could not begin until the day the new President is sworn into office by the Chief Justice - who would theoretically have to be in two places at once since he would also be obliged to swear in the Senators as jurors for the impeachment.

Not quite sure how that would work.

Mr. Trump was a disruptive farce. Not without his accomplishments, he frittered it all away by his willingness - unlike great historical figures like Franklin Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan - to pour salt in the social wounds. Thus he reaped what he sewed and will leave a diminished force. Hardly a threat to the republic.

Yet he is no worse than his critics. Who will now diminish solemn constitutional procedures into mere farce. All to, Trump-style, pour more salt in the social wounds even as they prattle on about unity. It is, to add, not a unity that they should expect.

Not for nothing could it be said that America is neither a republic nor a democracy. It is rather an onogracracy. "Government by wild asses."

Answer 7

fxllenone

Xper 3

He will rally the people in an attempt to save the United States and the whole world. The US military will try to contain Trump supporters in the beginning, this will likely lead to increased conflict. The left wing population of the US allied with major corporations will try and mount a coup, which will fail. Soon enough, the military and other security forces will be divided into right-wing and left-wing factions, and a civil war will begin that will destabilize the US.

Eventually those exhausted of the fighting and bloodhsed, will form a major group of their own, mostly consisting of those in the center of the political spectrum. They will then eradicate both the right-wing and the left-wing of the United States.

Meanwhile, other countries will take advantage of the unrest in the US, and start to increase their influence in the regions around their territories. Once the US civil war is over and peace is restored, we will be entering a brief phase of global nonviolent clashes that will then lead to the beginning of World War III.

The United States, Canada, Brazil, Australia, New Zealand are likely to be on one side, while most European countries will throw away the left-wing governments in their countries, and ally themselves with Eastern Europe and Russia. Middle-eastern countries will see this as an opportunity to expand influence which will lead to infighting, and will probably result in the collapse of Saudi Arabia. Israel will use these opportunities to expand it's borders significantly, and it is likely that other middle-eastern countries and Israel will enter in a war of their own. China will use the unrest to expand it's borders and influence over the neighboring countries, even in Africa. India will then enter in a conflict with China. This will push Pakistan into World War III as well, and soon enough India will use it's nuclear arsenal on Pakistan.

Once the first nuclear of World War III detonates, things are likely to calm down all over the world, or become worse, leading to either human extinction or a new era of peace and liberty.

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godfatherfan | 444 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Guru

As long as that traitorous piece of shit is gone, any way is good. Hopefully they will impeach him so he can never hold office again. I am relieved that so many are finally seeing this asshole of the piece of shit that the MAJORITY of us saw 4 years ago. Had we not had the arcane and outdated and "no longer needed" electoral college, he never would have held office. He told people to shoot Hillary Clinton, who would have made a spectacular President. Now he incited the riot in an attempted coup of the USA. He should be shot, but they won't do that. He should go to jail, but they won't do that. So make sure he goes away. Because if they don't impeach him, he will continue to urge violence with all his Nazi White Power friends of his.

Teyfet

1 mo
Amen

Answer 9

Teyfet

Amen

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lightbulb27 | 1.3K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Guru

He will climb up ramp to plane, waive... with Melania, and disappear to Florida where he will fight many lawsuits forever. The news will be as negative on him as it can get... CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, etc... puke all over him fest.

After that... not sure.

What I wonder is if he hits them back and how hard. How much does he expose of their doings? Can't slap in face without getting slapped back.

I don't think impeachment will work out.. it's a bad idea imho because it further entrenches those who have hate to do more ill will. It achieves nothing I can see. The left is the party of division and hate, not inclusion. Both both sides feed it and were all in the circus watching it.

Teyfet

1 mo
Agreed, impeachment is doomed. It should have worked last year, but republicons revealed that they fear him more than they love this country, so we suffered an Insurrection & may yet suffer another.

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Teyfet

Agreed, impeachment is doomed. It should have worked last year, but republicons revealed that they fear him more than they love this country, so we suffered an Insurrection & may yet suffer another.

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Avicenna | 2.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Master

No one is dumb enough to actually believe this idiotic propaganda that there was some coup attempt on Jan. 6th. The claims there was are simply being used as justification for „canceling“ political opponents and otherwise violating their rights. Much like Hitler used the Reichstag fire in 1933.
Similarly, the constant propaganda from the Left about these supposed great crimes are simply an excuse for malicious prosecution of someone who dared to challenge our corrupt establishment, however timidly. It’s to send a message to everyone that no one should dare try to challenge them again, even rhetorically.

ninaneedshelp

1 mo
So sad!

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ninaneedshelp

So sad!

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Anonymous

He'll move to his estate in Florida, sit back, and watch the Joe shit-show. He'll go back into real estate development, and making millions. He'll wonder why he even wasted his time trying to help a country like this; a country that wants to get rid of bail, release people from prison, defund cops, and yet support the burning an looting of America.

Teyfet

1 mo
He would rather have a fox-like "news" outlet, because he's addicted to easy money & his trumpanzees will gobble his grasp up, but that will be difficult to do from prison.
josephinelcajon

1 mo
One problem rumors say he hated the remodel there and he is ripping out and starting over. He will not move over seas and Trump tower I heard something but do not remember. I honestly do not have a clue where he might go short or long term.

I am not Democrat or Republican I hated Trump when he started. He has shown me and proved he wants the best for America! How they have treated him is disgusting! It proves to me he is exposing the swamp and those in it! They are scared to death of him!
Opinion Owner

1 mo
He never collected his salary as a president. Do you think Joe, will?
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Teyfet

1 mo
I agree - he hates travel & does not want to live overseas, but... If it's that or prison... It's an easy choice for a Coward.
Hydra6544

1 mo
@josephinelcajon couldn’t have said it better myself
Opinion Owner

1 mo
@josephinelcajon

He puts the fear of God into the establishment on both sides, but the sheep can't see it. The toxic poison is coming from outside the US, and the brain-dead left eats it up like candy.

The sheep were told that "Make America Great Again" was a racist slogan. Anyone who believes that, has the IQ of a fruit fly. Between the bat virus, and the dumbing-down of America, nuclear weapons and other devices are no longer needed.

If you can stomach it, watch 10 minutes of MSNBC, and tell me if it's a news organization.
Opinion Owner

1 mo
@Hydra6544

I agree with that. He has a brain and knows how to use it.
ninaneedshelp

1 mo
I admire his courage to risk it all for us!
Opinion Owner

1 mo
@ninaneedshelp

I'm watching Chuck Schumer giving a press conference telling the world how important it is to get Trump out of office today, and not wait for the next 7 days. What a complete self-serving loser.

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Teyfet

He would rather have a fox-like "news" outlet, because he's addicted to easy money & his trumpanzees will gobble his grasp up, but that will be difficult to do from prison.

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josephinelcajon

One problem rumors say he hated the remodel there and he is ripping out and starting over. He will not move over seas and Trump tower I heard something but do not remember. I honestly do not have a clue where he might go short or long term.

I am not Democrat or Republican I hated Trump when he started. He has shown me and proved he wants the best for America! How they have treated him is disgusting! It proves to me he is exposing the swamp and those in it! They are scared to death of him!

Answer 17

Opinion Owner

He never collected his salary as a president. Do you think Joe, will?

Answer 18

Teyfet

I agree - he hates travel & does not want to live overseas, but... If it's that or prison... It's an easy choice for a Coward.

Answer 19

Hydra6544

@josephinelcajon couldn’t have said it better myself

Answer 20

Opinion Owner

@josephinelcajon

He puts the fear of God into the establishment on both sides, but the sheep can't see it. The toxic poison is coming from outside the US, and the brain-dead left eats it up like candy.

The sheep were told that "Make America Great Again" was a racist slogan. Anyone who believes that, has the IQ of a fruit fly. Between the bat virus, and the dumbing-down of America, nuclear weapons and other devices are no longer needed.

If you can stomach it, watch 10 minutes of MSNBC, and tell me if it's a news organization.

Answer 21

Opinion Owner

@Hydra6544

I agree with that. He has a brain and knows how to use it.

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ninaneedshelp

I admire his courage to risk it all for us!

Answer 23

Opinion Owner

@ninaneedshelp

I'm watching Chuck Schumer giving a press conference telling the world how important it is to get Trump out of office today, and not wait for the next 7 days. What a complete self-serving loser.

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Catlover1999 | 89 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Xper 6

He’ll probably just leave without meeting Biden at his inauguration or for the press when they transfer power (like when they sit next to each other for the cameras). I don’t see why the Democrats want to impeach him or use the 25th amendment to remove him since he’s going next week anyway.

Teyfet

1 mo
1) Sounds like you vote for A. He's said he won't attend the inauguration.
2) He Incited an Insurrection that resulted in death & destruction in our Capitol, as they plotted to kill & overthrow the leaders of our government. The Dems want to impeach & remove him to neuter him & hopefully prevent him from starting another Insurrection that would attempt to kill President Biden &/or other government officials.
NYlatefun

1 mo
@Catlover1999 they want to impeach him so he can’t run again in 4 years.

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Teyfet

1) Sounds like you vote for A. He's said he won't attend the inauguration.
2) He Incited an Insurrection that resulted in death & destruction in our Capitol, as they plotted to kill & overthrow the leaders of our government. The Dems want to impeach & remove him to neuter him & hopefully prevent him from starting another Insurrection that would attempt to kill President Biden &/or other government officials.

Answer 26

NYlatefun

@Catlover1999 they want to impeach him so he can’t run again in 4 years.

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slatyb | 1.5K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Master

Hard to say but I think A is unlikely. B is probably not possible. C is a possibility but there’s not much time and I don’t see that getting through the Senate before Biden is inaugurated. Then it will be moot. E is possible but DC is locked down and will be through the inauguration. I expect he will just keep claiming that he really won until his followers get bored with him and move on to the next stupid thing. Maybe they can all sell Amway to each other.

Teyfet

1 mo
You are both rational & optimistic.
Hydra6544

1 mo
You both realize that he did say that it’s over
josephinelcajon

1 mo
@Hydra6544 I agree and believe he truly understands that its over.
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Teyfet

1 mo
Doesn't mean that he won't keep fighting, like that limbless knight from MPatHG. I do wonder what media outlets he'll use to deliver his message, though...
slatyb

1 mo
@Hydra6544 We have four years to learn that what Trump says today has little bearing on what he may say tomorrow.

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Teyfet

You are both rational & optimistic.

Answer 29

Hydra6544

You both realize that he did say that it’s over

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josephinelcajon

@Hydra6544 I agree and believe he truly understands that its over.

Answer 31

Teyfet

Doesn't mean that he won't keep fighting, like that limbless knight from MPatHG. I do wonder what media outlets he'll use to deliver his message, though...

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slatyb

@Hydra6544 We have four years to learn that what Trump says today has little bearing on what he may say tomorrow.

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hellionthesagereborn | 3K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Guru

He never incited a riot or sedition, that is a fucking lie and you know it so why say it? He opposed violence and has for his entire term, only the left who has been calling for his assasination, who has broken into the capitol building (durin the kavanaugh hearings), burned police precincts and broken into state capitol buildings, created a "autonomous zone", all of which was supported by Pelosi, Biden, Harris, and most democrat leadership, have ever called for violence. Trump said to not be violent and to "go home and be peaceful".

Answer 34

Anonymous

He will just leave. He won't be at Bidens inauguration. Several states like NYC will make efforts to arrest him on state crimes, but he's from the elite upper class regardless of his debts or lack of liquid assets. He will be given legal options to tie up any court cases and he won't do a day in prison. He will probably try to start up an OAN/Newsmax like news network, and continue to fund raise at rallies, which will not have the crowds that he thinks/hopes they will.

Teyfet

1 mo
I've said much of that as well (esp about FL & oan/Fn). Had he been punished for his pre-presidential crimes with imprisonment (instead of just fines), he probably wouldn't have had so many voters in 2016. However, I am certain that he will do time now, because so many of his co-conspirator have been imprisoned.
gabzz001

1 mo
Nyc is not a state
Opinion Owner

1 mo
@gabzz001 it's the NYC DA''s office that want to go after him for state level as opposed to Federal crimes.

Answer 35

Teyfet

I've said much of that as well (esp about FL & oan/Fn). Had he been punished for his pre-presidential crimes with imprisonment (instead of just fines), he probably wouldn't have had so many voters in 2016. However, I am certain that he will do time now, because so many of his co-conspirator have been imprisoned.

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gabzz001

Nyc is not a state

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Opinion Owner

@gabzz001 it's the NYC DA''s office that want to go after him for state level as opposed to Federal crimes.

Answer 38

dmgstarfleet | 370 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Yoda

He will try to self pardon but legal scholars are almost unanimous in agreement that a self pardon would be invalid and would guarantee a prosecution if he tries it (although he still might try). He has been impeached-he will leave on the 20th but the trial will begin (to take away his ex-Pres benefits and bar him from any future federal office)

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Newhead | 75 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Xper 6

I love how a lot of people loved this guy at first and now they are all ganging up on him like weak little high school bullies. I am not saying my uncle is a saint, I am just saying why the hell are they trying to crucify him now that he's leaving the white house?

JackSmy

1 mo
@Newhead He came in, and was elected, based on GOOD IDEAS, but those turned sour, really fast!!
It is not just a sudden thing!! He has been a more and more aggressive ASSHOLE/DICTATOR over the time he has been in office! He has come EXTREMEMLY CLOSE to, if NOT OPENLY VIOLATING many laws, pardoned 'cronies' that lied for him, had the government pay his business for Secret Service accommodations, and the list goes on, and on!!
Another 4 years, and he would literally become "Hitler" the Sequel, with his abuses of power!!
He has only days left, in office, but I HONESTLY BELIEVE, he needs to be controlled, not have access to the Nuclear Arsenal, not be able to make major military decisions, and basically be under house arrest, until January 20, when he can legally be escorted OUT!
He has shown that he is a DANGER to The United States, and is a TOTAL DISGRACE of a President!!!
He will be recorded, in history, as the WORST EVER, President, and he will unseat Andrew Johnson, with that Disgrace!
Newhead

1 mo
@JackSmy Oh, that's too bad.

Answer 40

JackSmy

@Newhead He came in, and was elected, based on GOOD IDEAS, but those turned sour, really fast!!
It is not just a sudden thing!! He has been a more and more aggressive ASSHOLE/DICTATOR over the time he has been in office! He has come EXTREMEMLY CLOSE to, if NOT OPENLY VIOLATING many laws, pardoned 'cronies' that lied for him, had the government pay his business for Secret Service accommodations, and the list goes on, and on!!
Another 4 years, and he would literally become "Hitler" the Sequel, with his abuses of power!!
He has only days left, in office, but I HONESTLY BELIEVE, he needs to be controlled, not have access to the Nuclear Arsenal, not be able to make major military decisions, and basically be under house arrest, until January 20, when he can legally be escorted OUT!
He has shown that he is a DANGER to The United States, and is a TOTAL DISGRACE of a President!!!
He will be recorded, in history, as the WORST EVER, President, and he will unseat Andrew Johnson, with that Disgrace!

Answer 41

Newhead

@JackSmy Oh, that's too bad.

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StarryCrossing | 194 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Xper 6

He’ll probably get dropped by more companies. Maybe he’ll be impeached a second time and removed. It’s hard to say. However I think he’ll try to incite his supports against and shit will get ugly on Inauguration Day.

NatalieKeller95

1 mo
yeah, but when it comes to a violent revolution the government will have no choice but to open fire, it'll be a bloodbath
Teyfet

1 mo
I believe there's a lot of truth to what you say. He'll definitely be impeached, perhaps removed; and will likely incite another Insurrection.

Answer 43

NatalieKeller95

yeah, but when it comes to a violent revolution the government will have no choice but to open fire, it'll be a bloodbath

Answer 44

Teyfet

I believe there's a lot of truth to what you say. He'll definitely be impeached, perhaps removed; and will likely incite another Insurrection.

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supercutebutt | 392 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Explorer

Trump will go through Twitter withdrawal and die :(
And Twitter stock will soar to unprecedented heights as everybody rushes to the platform to rejoice. The stock is already shooting up in anticipation of this glorious moment...

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menina | 3.7K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Master

I think he's going to incite more violence and then he's going to move to a country where there's no extradition. I wouldn't be surprised if he went to Russia Lol

Teyfet

1 mo
I concur. These both seem the most logical options to me also.
menina

1 mo
I'm glad you agree.

Answer 47

Teyfet

I concur. These both seem the most logical options to me also.

Answer 48

menina

I'm glad you agree.

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RolandCuthbert | 3.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Guru

His legacy is the violent insurrection at the nation's capitol.

That is how history will remember him.

Teyfet

1 mo
Very true. He will go down as the worst president in history. There is no doubt. He's given aid & comfort to our enemies while abandoning our allies. He's abused the powers of his office. He's created the most divisive America since the Civil War. He's openly incited an Insurrection, which his supporters used as an effort to attempt a Coup... Yet, still the republicons defend him.
Avicenna

1 mo
So you hate the guy, that’s fine. But making up alternative facts just because if that hatred is not.

You can’t even get your story straight. First he’s accused by you of calling for an insurrection, now you suggest his supporters attempted a coup. And how was this planned and coordinated on a matter of minutes?
Again, you can't show any part of his speech on Jan. 6th which is a call for insurrection. Nor was the rioting at the Capitol a coup.
RolandCuthbert

1 mo
@Avicenna What in the actual fuck?

Dude, from his own lips. . . he said he would win on the 6th if Pence did the right thing.

So in Trumpland what does that mean? And if it means he is conceding, why did thousands of supporters march on the Capitol, break down the doors, claiming they were going to hang Mike Pence?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuCysTdbn94

The un-mitigated gall of you folks. He said this in the open, plain as day, and here you are lying to our faces claiming he didn't.
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ninaneedshelp

1 mo
Excuse me but how soon we forget that Obama sold our ventilators to China and gave money to ISIS
RolandCuthbert

1 mo
@ninaneedshelp Sarcasm on. . .

And that has everything to do with the insurrection that broke into the Capitol building.

I see how those things are eerily connected.

Sarcasm off.
ninaneedshelp

1 mo
@Avicenna They never make sense like they don't care about the people that looted and burned down business because it was in the name of blm and antifa but the minuet ''Trump'' supporters who were actually well known members of blm and antifa break into the capitol rioting is suddenly an issue.
Avicenna

1 mo
@RolandCuthbert: Have you not heard him bluster now for years? It definitely doesn’t mean he expected his supporters to illegally occupy the Capitol. And only he knows what he thought Pence could legally do.
ninaneedshelp

1 mo
no that has to do with the fact that someone wants to point out that he ''gave foreign aid'' while ignoring the fact that obama exactly that
Avicenna

1 mo
But it certainly didn’t mean he intended to overthrow the government. He thinks he has evidence that he actually should have won the election. Hillary still thinks the same about 2016 and Gore about 2000.
RolandCuthbert

1 mo
@Avicenna It is stunning to see you talk about trump just being all bluster. Yet you support him fully as a serious leader of the entire free world.

This bluster resulted in people dying. Spinning something he knew was a lie, to get people to march on the Capitol to change the results of the election.

You keep trying to avoid the point.

He told his followers that January 6th was the day they would win the election.

That is why he will be impeached again.

It is weird, had he just shut up, he would have been okay. But he couldn't help himself. Now, he is looking at lawsuits from almost everyone with regard to the riots. He is looking at criminal liability.

And it is all his fault.

He couldn't just leave and take you guys with him.
Avicenna

1 mo
He’s the only leader who was willing to take on the CCP and the utter rot that is our foreign, immigration, defense and trade policies. So there was some action there.

However, when it came to our government’s internal corruption and that of the Democratic Party and its various arms, he did just bluster about it.

So you honestly think a few hundred unorganized , mostly unarmed Trump supporters could overthrow the US government? And that they would think or know that the Capitol Police would not have the Capitol properly guarded? Hiw would one conduct a coup in the US without using the military and without having any real control over intelligence agencies and none over militarized police or the National Guard? With the country‘s corporate and financial elites largely against you? What alternate universe do you live in?

Yet we’re supposed to believe the rioting in the Capitol was some coup? And that accusation is coming from the same people who tried to commit a series of soft coups against Trump? Who have been lying to us for years? Don’t make me laugh any harder at you than I already am?
RolandCuthbert

1 mo
@Avicenna So you are just going spout off in some insane rant about the CCP, etc.

Our nation is on fire literally. We are the middle of a pandemic that we can't even get our arms around. We are the laughingstock of the world. I can't even fly overseas because over half the world refuses to receive Americans, because we are dangerously ignorant.

You are lying. Trumps supporters who breached the Capitol were heavily armed. They killed an officer and put dozens of others in the hospital. They were seconds away from killing members of Congress. They had pipe bombs planted at two different locations.

There is no reason to continue discussion with you. It is obvious there isn't anything Trump can do that would make you even question his word. If these freaks had killed Pelosi, you would have just reasoned it was something she deserved. Because obviously, the death of an officer isn't that big a deal for you.

It is weird how BlueLivesmatter. . .

but only in certain situations.

Trumpers in the riots will be hunted down and they will be brought to justice.

Good luck.
Yaaten

1 mo
"Yet you support him fully as a serious leader of the entire free world." - Roland
I've heard this expression so many times, and yet if it's at all true that the U. S. president is the "leader of the free world", shouldn't the entire free world have a say in who runs the U. S? Why is it that whenever someone who doesn't live in the U. S. or isn't a citizen makes a comment about U. S. politics in some way, the response is often, "You don't live here, you're a (fill-in-the-blank) so you shouldn't comment"?
The U. S. president is not the leader of the free world, because A) no one appointed you people to be our leader, and B) the so-called free world isn't free anymore.
Yaaten

1 mo
"Our nation is on fire literally." - Roland
Yes, and who is to blame for that? Certainly not the right, centre or far right on the political spectrum.
RolandCuthbert

1 mo
@Yaaten You weed through this haystack to find one statement to take issue with.

Wow. Make the statement into something you can accept. The point is, he is in the most powerful position on this planet. And we are supposed to understand he has "bluster". This dude can launch thousands of nuclear missiles at his command. But we are supposed to know when he is serious and when he is not.

As for my "leader of the free world" designation, it is just an expression.

Gee whiz.
RolandCuthbert

1 mo
@Yaaten So you want to show me how Trump is on the right? You mean he cares about American exceptionalism? Or do you mean he is a fiscal Conservative? He believes in the "Shining City on the Hill? He is an ethical conservative? A moral one? Is he a strict Constitutionalist, like most real Conservatives?

Tell me about how he is on the "right" again.
Yaaten

1 mo
First of all, it isn't "just an expression", there is meaning behind the words, and people take it seriously. Secondly, now what are you going on about when you ask me where Donald Trump sits on the political spectrum? As the leader of the Republican Party, he would be around the centre, or slightly to the right.
By the way, I don't need to "weed my way" through your comments to find something to disagree with, because I disagree with just about everything you say here at GAG.
RolandCuthbert

1 mo
@Yaaten Yes, it is an expression. It is left over from the Cold War, when Soviet Russia and the United States wielded huge areas of influence. The Soviet Union had Eastern Europe and much of the Arab world. The U. S. had Western Europe, Israel, Saudi Arabia in the middle east. Along with the Americas. We call the West, the free world. Because Europe relied on American nuclear power to keep the threat of the Soviet Union at bay.

As for Trump's political beliefs. If you make a claim, you need to back it up.

So for instance, does Trump believe that government needs to stay out of the business of privately held companies?

That is a staple of Conservatism.
Yaaten

1 mo
I would say that yes, he does believe that minimal governmental interference in the business of business is what he believes in. He is, after all, a successful and very rich businessman himself. As for the Cold War, that's been over now for almost 30 years. It's time to move on, but of course those who control America (the deep-state swamp that Trump tried to drain) need an enemy to justify their aggressive foreign policy and otherwise unjustified waste on "defence' spending.
Avicenna

1 mo
Trump is actually a hybrid, but his most lasting legacy will be that he exposed just how corrupt and unaccountable our government and politicians are, and just how totalitarian our political and economic elites are. He also was the first US leader to stand up to the CCP and question our most ossified policies. That's an important set of legacies.

But it isn't surprising that Democrats who are doing their best to impose the worst of CCP totalitarianism and are, along with many Republicans, beholden to their Chinese paymasters, miss the forest for the trees. Or maybe I should just call them traitors, because that's what they are.
RolandCuthbert

1 mo
@Yaaten Really? Is that why he had constant complaints about Amazon, its online store and delivery service?

Or why he kept telling Boeing about the investments they were making into creating new jetliners?

He criticized General Motors, Facebook, Twitter, Nordstrom, the NFL, ESPN, Toyota, etc.

Because trump is trump. Trump feels everything should revolve around him. He only believes in conservative principles for a moment of opportunity. Then he will embrace liberalism when it is opportune.

But truthfully he doesn't have a philosophy outside of self-enrichment and self gratification.

If you want to believe he is a conservative you will take that ride all by yourself.

And when you try to protect his silliness by claiming he is a conservative, I will point it out.

In America, we have voices that literally created American Conservatism, before Trump even knew anything about politics.
Avicenna

1 mo
And Trump exposed most of them, if not almost all, as being phonies, including George Will, but ESPECIALLY Bill Kristol.
Yaaten

1 mo
"And when you try to protect his silliness by claiming he is a conservative, I will point it out."
You haven't pointed out anything here though, except your (misguided and irrational, in my view) hatred for a president who A) actually kept his election promises, and did his best to fulfil them in the face of stiff opposition from just about everyone, B) was direct, forthright and honest, and didn't care about whatever may have been "politically correct" at any given moment in time, and C) was chosen by the people of the U. S. to run the country and make the necessary changes that it so desperately needs. He was also the very first president in a VERY long time to not start yet another pointless war.
What do you have now? A senile old man who half the time doesn't even know where he is, and a psychopathic woman who will implement an agenda that will be so radically left-wing that even Stalin himself would be embarrassed by it. Antifa and BLM will roam free, and will do as they please without any consequences, the deranged nutcases of the 'MeToo' movement will go on to subject innocent men to trial by media, and the nation's economy will implode because these idiots will cave in to the global warming alarmists and try to implement socialism.
A new Dark Age has descended upon North America.
RolandCuthbert

1 mo
@Yaaten I actually gave you a list. You didn't read it because of your love of the orange turd. The funny thing about your defense is that it is based upon this love for trump. Like I have to love him or I can't critique him rationally. It is not my fault I hate trump. Because I hated him 30 years ago. This isn't some assessment of the man's politics, because he has none. I hated him 30 years ago because he was the most disgusting piece of human trash I had ever seen.

The funny thing is your love for him began with his presidency. You don't know a thing about trump's history. His cheap sleazy hotels. His failed casinos. His failed businesses. Did you know he tried to start an airline? Did you know he tried to get into selling purified water? Everything he touched turned to dookey. This mug was so desperate for money and fame, he regularly appeared on fake wrestling shows.

So long before you were a twinkle in your dad's eye, I thought he was trash.

Somehow that trash became President. And magically overnight, you guys claim he is a Conservative.

I don't know if it is more pitiful or pathetic.

I guess it doesn't matter.

As for your nonsensical rant about the "left". . . we all know the definition of the word "left" in trump language. It is anything that trump doesn't like.

Get out of town.
Yaaten

1 mo
Roland - A list? Where? The "list" where you mention the companies that Donald Trump has at one time or another criticised? So what? Who hasn't done something similar? We all have corporations that we love to hate. That's not unusual.
"You didn't read it because of your love of the orange turd. The funny thing about your defense is that it is based upon this love for trump."
No, I don't love Donald Trump. I don't like any politician, because they're ALL corrupt. However, the alternatives on offer (ex. Biden, Harris) are far worse, and I do not believe that President Trump has done anything that warrants the sheer waste of time and money that yet another impeachment will be.
"Like I have to love him or I can't critique him rationally. It is not my fault I hate trump. Because I hated him 30 years ago. This isn't some assessment of the man's politics, because he has none. I hated him 30 years ago because he was the most disgusting piece of human trash I had ever seen."
Now you're trying to play a victim here. I never said that one must never criticise Donald Trump. No one is above criticism, but it has to be warranted, it has to be justified, but all I've ever gotten from you are emotional tirades and insults (ex. "orange turd"). Show some maturity for once! You're 48, an adult, so act like one.
RolandCuthbert

1 mo
@Yaaten Dude, gave you a list Conservative principles. You even responded. But I guess if it doesn't have trump's name next to it, you can't see it. It is funny how an entire movement put together by our best intellectuals, George Will, Russell Kirk, William Buckley and Barry Goldwater. Actual conservatives, men who actually articulated the values that Conservatives should embody. . . all get replaced in a trumper's mind by that disgusting turd.

It is hilarious and pathetic all at the same time.

William F. Buckley, Father Of American Conservatism

The Father of American Conservatism is a commie leftist in trump world.

But only because trumpturds are insane, deranged, and have no clue about what Conservatism actually is.
Avicenna

1 mo
Roland, a lot of these conservatives (not Buckley) have been outed as fakes- at best, controlled opposition who talk a good game, but don’t address the real issues with the country and the rot that is the Democrats. It’s the establishment versus the people.
Yaaten

1 mo
@Avicenna Roland doesn't seem to be able to see what is staring him in the face, the obvious truths that others seem to take for granted. He has an agenda to push, and that seems to be all that matters to him. The truth is secondary as far as ideologues are concerned, and it's quite often an outright inconvenience that needs to be buried (ex. creepy Joe with his wandering hands whenever women and girls are nearby, Clinton's emails, her husband's lecherous behaviour back in the 90's, their links to Epstein - the list is endless).
Donald Trump makes a joke about "grabbing pussies" and we hear about it for years, as though he committed a crime worse than (for example) causing a civil war in Libya, or launching more drone strikes against civilians than President Bush Jr.
All their crimes are forgiven and forgotten. How convenient. "We came, we saw, he died - ha, ha, ha!" (Hilary the deranged psychopath)
The entire Democratic Party needs to be locked up, and I say this as an impartial observer without an axe to grind half a world away, because I recognise crooks when I see them. Why are they not rotting in jail?

Answer 50

Teyfet

Very true. He will go down as the worst president in history. There is no doubt. He's given aid & comfort to our enemies while abandoning our allies. He's abused the powers of his office. He's created the most divisive America since the Civil War. He's openly incited an Insurrection, which his supporters used as an effort to attempt a Coup... Yet, still the republicons defend him.

Answer 51

Avicenna

So you hate the guy, that’s fine. But making up alternative facts just because if that hatred is not.

You can’t even get your story straight. First he’s accused by you of calling for an insurrection, now you suggest his supporters attempted a coup. And how was this planned and coordinated on a matter of minutes?
Again, you can't show any part of his speech on Jan. 6th which is a call for insurrection. Nor was the rioting at the Capitol a coup.

Answer 52

RolandCuthbert

@Avicenna What in the actual fuck?

Dude, from his own lips. . . he said he would win on the 6th if Pence did the right thing.

So in Trumpland what does that mean? And if it means he is conceding, why did thousands of supporters march on the Capitol, break down the doors, claiming they were going to hang Mike Pence?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuCysTdbn94

The un-mitigated gall of you folks. He said this in the open, plain as day, and here you are lying to our faces claiming he didn't.

Answer 53

ninaneedshelp

Excuse me but how soon we forget that Obama sold our ventilators to China and gave money to ISIS

Answer 54

RolandCuthbert

@ninaneedshelp Sarcasm on. . .

And that has everything to do with the insurrection that broke into the Capitol building.

I see how those things are eerily connected.

Sarcasm off.

Answer 55

ninaneedshelp

@Avicenna They never make sense like they don't care about the people that looted and burned down business because it was in the name of blm and antifa but the minuet ''Trump'' supporters who were actually well known members of blm and antifa break into the capitol rioting is suddenly an issue.

Answer 56

Avicenna

@RolandCuthbert: Have you not heard him bluster now for years? It definitely doesn’t mean he expected his supporters to illegally occupy the Capitol. And only he knows what he thought Pence could legally do.

Answer 57

ninaneedshelp

no that has to do with the fact that someone wants to point out that he ''gave foreign aid'' while ignoring the fact that obama exactly that

Answer 58

Avicenna

But it certainly didn’t mean he intended to overthrow the government. He thinks he has evidence that he actually should have won the election. Hillary still thinks the same about 2016 and Gore about 2000.

Answer 59

RolandCuthbert

@Avicenna It is stunning to see you talk about trump just being all bluster. Yet you support him fully as a serious leader of the entire free world.

This bluster resulted in people dying. Spinning something he knew was a lie, to get people to march on the Capitol to change the results of the election.

You keep trying to avoid the point.

He told his followers that January 6th was the day they would win the election.

That is why he will be impeached again.

It is weird, had he just shut up, he would have been okay. But he couldn't help himself. Now, he is looking at lawsuits from almost everyone with regard to the riots. He is looking at criminal liability.

And it is all his fault.

He couldn't just leave and take you guys with him.

Answer 60

Avicenna

He’s the only leader who was willing to take on the CCP and the utter rot that is our foreign, immigration, defense and trade policies. So there was some action there.

However, when it came to our government’s internal corruption and that of the Democratic Party and its various arms, he did just bluster about it.

So you honestly think a few hundred unorganized , mostly unarmed Trump supporters could overthrow the US government? And that they would think or know that the Capitol Police would not have the Capitol properly guarded? Hiw would one conduct a coup in the US without using the military and without having any real control over intelligence agencies and none over militarized police or the National Guard? With the country‘s corporate and financial elites largely against you? What alternate universe do you live in?

Yet we’re supposed to believe the rioting in the Capitol was some coup? And that accusation is coming from the same people who tried to commit a series of soft coups against Trump? Who have been lying to us for years? Don’t make me laugh any harder at you than I already am?

Answer 61

RolandCuthbert

@Avicenna So you are just going spout off in some insane rant about the CCP, etc.

Our nation is on fire literally. We are the middle of a pandemic that we can't even get our arms around. We are the laughingstock of the world. I can't even fly overseas because over half the world refuses to receive Americans, because we are dangerously ignorant.

You are lying. Trumps supporters who breached the Capitol were heavily armed. They killed an officer and put dozens of others in the hospital. They were seconds away from killing members of Congress. They had pipe bombs planted at two different locations.

There is no reason to continue discussion with you. It is obvious there isn't anything Trump can do that would make you even question his word. If these freaks had killed Pelosi, you would have just reasoned it was something she deserved. Because obviously, the death of an officer isn't that big a deal for you.

It is weird how BlueLivesmatter. . .

but only in certain situations.

Trumpers in the riots will be hunted down and they will be brought to justice.

Good luck.

Answer 62

Yaaten

"Yet you support him fully as a serious leader of the entire free world." - Roland
I've heard this expression so many times, and yet if it's at all true that the U. S. president is the "leader of the free world", shouldn't the entire free world have a say in who runs the U. S? Why is it that whenever someone who doesn't live in the U. S. or isn't a citizen makes a comment about U. S. politics in some way, the response is often, "You don't live here, you're a (fill-in-the-blank) so you shouldn't comment"?
The U. S. president is not the leader of the free world, because A) no one appointed you people to be our leader, and B) the so-called free world isn't free anymore.

Answer 63

Yaaten

"Our nation is on fire literally." - Roland
Yes, and who is to blame for that? Certainly not the right, centre or far right on the political spectrum.

Answer 64

RolandCuthbert

@Yaaten You weed through this haystack to find one statement to take issue with.

Wow. Make the statement into something you can accept. The point is, he is in the most powerful position on this planet. And we are supposed to understand he has "bluster". This dude can launch thousands of nuclear missiles at his command. But we are supposed to know when he is serious and when he is not.

As for my "leader of the free world" designation, it is just an expression.

Gee whiz.

Answer 65

RolandCuthbert

@Yaaten So you want to show me how Trump is on the right? You mean he cares about American exceptionalism? Or do you mean he is a fiscal Conservative? He believes in the "Shining City on the Hill? He is an ethical conservative? A moral one? Is he a strict Constitutionalist, like most real Conservatives?

Tell me about how he is on the "right" again.

Answer 66

Yaaten

First of all, it isn't "just an expression", there is meaning behind the words, and people take it seriously. Secondly, now what are you going on about when you ask me where Donald Trump sits on the political spectrum? As the leader of the Republican Party, he would be around the centre, or slightly to the right.
By the way, I don't need to "weed my way" through your comments to find something to disagree with, because I disagree with just about everything you say here at GAG.

Answer 67

RolandCuthbert

@Yaaten Yes, it is an expression. It is left over from the Cold War, when Soviet Russia and the United States wielded huge areas of influence. The Soviet Union had Eastern Europe and much of the Arab world. The U. S. had Western Europe, Israel, Saudi Arabia in the middle east. Along with the Americas. We call the West, the free world. Because Europe relied on American nuclear power to keep the threat of the Soviet Union at bay.

As for Trump's political beliefs. If you make a claim, you need to back it up.

So for instance, does Trump believe that government needs to stay out of the business of privately held companies?

That is a staple of Conservatism.

Answer 68

Yaaten

I would say that yes, he does believe that minimal governmental interference in the business of business is what he believes in. He is, after all, a successful and very rich businessman himself. As for the Cold War, that's been over now for almost 30 years. It's time to move on, but of course those who control America (the deep-state swamp that Trump tried to drain) need an enemy to justify their aggressive foreign policy and otherwise unjustified waste on "defence' spending.

Answer 69

Avicenna

Trump is actually a hybrid, but his most lasting legacy will be that he exposed just how corrupt and unaccountable our government and politicians are, and just how totalitarian our political and economic elites are. He also was the first US leader to stand up to the CCP and question our most ossified policies. That's an important set of legacies.

But it isn't surprising that Democrats who are doing their best to impose the worst of CCP totalitarianism and are, along with many Republicans, beholden to their Chinese paymasters, miss the forest for the trees. Or maybe I should just call them traitors, because that's what they are.

Answer 70

RolandCuthbert

@Yaaten Really? Is that why he had constant complaints about Amazon, its online store and delivery service?

Or why he kept telling Boeing about the investments they were making into creating new jetliners?

He criticized General Motors, Facebook, Twitter, Nordstrom, the NFL, ESPN, Toyota, etc.

Because trump is trump. Trump feels everything should revolve around him. He only believes in conservative principles for a moment of opportunity. Then he will embrace liberalism when it is opportune.

But truthfully he doesn't have a philosophy outside of self-enrichment and self gratification.

If you want to believe he is a conservative you will take that ride all by yourself.

And when you try to protect his silliness by claiming he is a conservative, I will point it out.

In America, we have voices that literally created American Conservatism, before Trump even knew anything about politics.

How will 45's term of office end?

Answer 71

Avicenna

And Trump exposed most of them, if not almost all, as being phonies, including George Will, but ESPECIALLY Bill Kristol.

Answer 72

Yaaten

"And when you try to protect his silliness by claiming he is a conservative, I will point it out."
You haven't pointed out anything here though, except your (misguided and irrational, in my view) hatred for a president who A) actually kept his election promises, and did his best to fulfil them in the face of stiff opposition from just about everyone, B) was direct, forthright and honest, and didn't care about whatever may have been "politically correct" at any given moment in time, and C) was chosen by the people of the U. S. to run the country and make the necessary changes that it so desperately needs. He was also the very first president in a VERY long time to not start yet another pointless war.
What do you have now? A senile old man who half the time doesn't even know where he is, and a psychopathic woman who will implement an agenda that will be so radically left-wing that even Stalin himself would be embarrassed by it. Antifa and BLM will roam free, and will do as they please without any consequences, the deranged nutcases of the 'MeToo' movement will go on to subject innocent men to trial by media, and the nation's economy will implode because these idiots will cave in to the global warming alarmists and try to implement socialism.
A new Dark Age has descended upon North America.

Answer 73

RolandCuthbert

@Yaaten I actually gave you a list. You didn't read it because of your love of the orange turd. The funny thing about your defense is that it is based upon this love for trump. Like I have to love him or I can't critique him rationally. It is not my fault I hate trump. Because I hated him 30 years ago. This isn't some assessment of the man's politics, because he has none. I hated him 30 years ago because he was the most disgusting piece of human trash I had ever seen.

The funny thing is your love for him began with his presidency. You don't know a thing about trump's history. His cheap sleazy hotels. His failed casinos. His failed businesses. Did you know he tried to start an airline? Did you know he tried to get into selling purified water? Everything he touched turned to dookey. This mug was so desperate for money and fame, he regularly appeared on fake wrestling shows.

So long before you were a twinkle in your dad's eye, I thought he was trash.

Somehow that trash became President. And magically overnight, you guys claim he is a Conservative.

I don't know if it is more pitiful or pathetic.

I guess it doesn't matter.

As for your nonsensical rant about the "left". . . we all know the definition of the word "left" in trump language. It is anything that trump doesn't like.

Get out of town.

Answer 74

Yaaten

Roland - A list? Where? The "list" where you mention the companies that Donald Trump has at one time or another criticised? So what? Who hasn't done something similar? We all have corporations that we love to hate. That's not unusual.
"You didn't read it because of your love of the orange turd. The funny thing about your defense is that it is based upon this love for trump."
No, I don't love Donald Trump. I don't like any politician, because they're ALL corrupt. However, the alternatives on offer (ex. Biden, Harris) are far worse, and I do not believe that President Trump has done anything that warrants the sheer waste of time and money that yet another impeachment will be.
"Like I have to love him or I can't critique him rationally. It is not my fault I hate trump. Because I hated him 30 years ago. This isn't some assessment of the man's politics, because he has none. I hated him 30 years ago because he was the most disgusting piece of human trash I had ever seen."
Now you're trying to play a victim here. I never said that one must never criticise Donald Trump. No one is above criticism, but it has to be warranted, it has to be justified, but all I've ever gotten from you are emotional tirades and insults (ex. "orange turd"). Show some maturity for once! You're 48, an adult, so act like one.

Answer 75

RolandCuthbert

@Yaaten Dude, gave you a list Conservative principles. You even responded. But I guess if it doesn't have trump's name next to it, you can't see it. It is funny how an entire movement put together by our best intellectuals, George Will, Russell Kirk, William Buckley and Barry Goldwater. Actual conservatives, men who actually articulated the values that Conservatives should embody. . . all get replaced in a trumper's mind by that disgusting turd.

It is hilarious and pathetic all at the same time.

William F. Buckley, Father Of American Conservatism

How will 45's term of office end?

The Father of American Conservatism is a commie leftist in trump world.

But only because trumpturds are insane, deranged, and have no clue about what Conservatism actually is.

Answer 76

Avicenna

Roland, a lot of these conservatives (not Buckley) have been outed as fakes- at best, controlled opposition who talk a good game, but don’t address the real issues with the country and the rot that is the Democrats. It’s the establishment versus the people.

Answer 77

Yaaten

@Avicenna Roland doesn't seem to be able to see what is staring him in the face, the obvious truths that others seem to take for granted. He has an agenda to push, and that seems to be all that matters to him. The truth is secondary as far as ideologues are concerned, and it's quite often an outright inconvenience that needs to be buried (ex. creepy Joe with his wandering hands whenever women and girls are nearby, Clinton's emails, her husband's lecherous behaviour back in the 90's, their links to Epstein - the list is endless).
Donald Trump makes a joke about "grabbing pussies" and we hear about it for years, as though he committed a crime worse than (for example) causing a civil war in Libya, or launching more drone strikes against civilians than President Bush Jr.
All their crimes are forgiven and forgotten. How convenient. "We came, we saw, he died - ha, ha, ha!" (Hilary the deranged psychopath)
The entire Democratic Party needs to be locked up, and I say this as an impartial observer without an axe to grind half a world away, because I recognise crooks when I see them. Why are they not rotting in jail?

Answer 78

Dweezil

Xper 6

Trump is going to resign on the 19th.

Mike Pence will be sworn in.

Pence's first and only act as president will be to pardon Trump and his family and all those who worked in his administration.

Trump will do this to drive the lefties more crazy than he has in the last 4 years.

Teyfet

1 mo
I was thinking he'd likely do this on the 20th, because he can't give up power much earlier than he has to. But, I agree, there's a good chance that he'll give it up to pence in exchange for a pardon.

Answer 79

Teyfet

I was thinking he'd likely do this on the 20th, because he can't give up power much earlier than he has to. But, I agree, there's a good chance that he'll give it up to pence in exchange for a pardon.

Answer 80

jshm2 | 2.1K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Guru

He is a coward and conman at heart. He failed at POTUS like he has in everything else.

He will join Epstein or Madoff, by the end of this year.

ninaneedshelp

1 mo
First off it was Obama and Hillary involved with Epstein which is why they had to kill him so no he would not join him
Teyfet

1 mo
If only more had realized this back in 2016.

He's definitely on track to join his fellow conman Madoff, and we'll have to see how soon he joins fellow pedophile Epstein...

Answer 81

ninaneedshelp

First off it was Obama and Hillary involved with Epstein which is why they had to kill him so no he would not join him

Answer 82

Teyfet

If only more had realized this back in 2016.

He's definitely on track to join his fellow conman Madoff, and we'll have to see how soon he joins fellow pedophile Epstein...

Answer 83

Tim-loves-it | 393 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Guru

I googled this, and 'Hey Google' replied..
"During the Watergate scandal, President Nixon's lawyer suggested that a self-pardon would be legal, while the Department of Justice issued a memorandum opinion on August 5, 1974 stating that a president cannot pardon himself."

Accurate or not. just quoting.

Teyfet

1 mo
There is no doubt that he can issue a pardon for himself (it would be for him & signed by him, because it's just a piece of paper), the only question is would it be valid (or legitimate).
One stipulation is that he cannot pardon charges based on impeachment conviction (s).
devilman666

1 mo
Also can we keep in mind that all Nixon did in watergate was illegally try to get dirt on his opponents, Trump already did that with Ukraine and apparently it wasn't enough. Lmfao.

Answer 84

Teyfet

There is no doubt that he can issue a pardon for himself (it would be for him & signed by him, because it's just a piece of paper), the only question is would it be valid (or legitimate).
One stipulation is that he cannot pardon charges based on impeachment conviction (s).

Answer 85

devilman666

Also can we keep in mind that all Nixon did in watergate was illegally try to get dirt on his opponents, Trump already did that with Ukraine and apparently it wasn't enough. Lmfao.

Answer 86

Agape93 | 4.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Master

I’m wagering a mix of two. Inciting another set of sedition in his followers, quickly followed by him pardoning himself.

Teyfet

1 mo
I agree, there's almost certainly going to be another Insurrection.
And he will definitely pardon himself, or try to, depending upon how you define it.

Answer 87

Teyfet

I agree, there's almost certainly going to be another Insurrection.
And he will definitely pardon himself, or try to, depending upon how you define it.

Answer 88

snowboarder720 | 429 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Guru

He’ll be impeached and thrown in jail because he has blood on his hands.

Teyfet

1 mo
He should be, and I believe he will be, if not for these bloody crimes then for others less bloody.

Answer 89

Teyfet

He should be, and I believe he will be, if not for these bloody crimes then for others less bloody.

Answer 90

Anonymous

Simply he will take a plane to Florida the night before and leave the keys for Biden. In return we will hear media complain about how offensive and dangerous it is to fly away from an inauguration and how the mere act deserves impeachment.

Teyfet

1 mo
I heard that he does plan to be in Florida for the inauguration, but I fully expect several states to file for extradition to their states the instant he is no longer president.
Opinion Owner

1 mo
We will see. What ever happens will likely trigger a lot of people. If nothing happens the left will flip out. If he does get arrested the right will flip out.
josephinelcajon

1 mo
I believe they will impeach him but will not go further they know going further with criminal would tarnish America and would absolutely enrage his supporters! Our very best option is to immediately get new candidates to start running now and give them hope! Right now they see no hope and that is very dangerous!
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Opinion Owner

1 mo
@josephinelcajon A new candidate for the next general presidential election?
josephinelcajon

1 mo
Yes in four years but start now put them out there as running
Opinion Owner

1 mo
@josephinelcajon Alright who would be some possible nominees for this? Remember there was like 20 people running in 2016.
josephinelcajon

1 mo
No idea I just know you give a group no hope and they become violent! Honestly I am tired of everyone in our government! And to be more honest some of these school kids seem to have a better grip on reality! When I say all I mean All regardless of party!
Opinion Owner

1 mo
@josephinelcajon Here is my problem with Republicans right now. Look at Democrats all the people that make the news like AOC and Pelosi are sitting congress people. Who would Republicans rally behind? A lot of young conservatives that are popular are not holding any office right now.
ninaneedshelp

1 mo
So stupid like he's leaving why waste anymore money trying to get rid of him. This is all a show to make sure no ones looking at the crimes the left is involved in

Answer 91

Teyfet

I heard that he does plan to be in Florida for the inauguration, but I fully expect several states to file for extradition to their states the instant he is no longer president.

Answer 92

Opinion Owner

We will see. What ever happens will likely trigger a lot of people. If nothing happens the left will flip out. If he does get arrested the right will flip out.

Answer 93

josephinelcajon

I believe they will impeach him but will not go further they know going further with criminal would tarnish America and would absolutely enrage his supporters! Our very best option is to immediately get new candidates to start running now and give them hope! Right now they see no hope and that is very dangerous!

Answer 94

Opinion Owner

@josephinelcajon A new candidate for the next general presidential election?

Answer 95

josephinelcajon

Yes in four years but start now put them out there as running

Answer 96

Opinion Owner

@josephinelcajon Alright who would be some possible nominees for this? Remember there was like 20 people running in 2016.

Answer 97

josephinelcajon

No idea I just know you give a group no hope and they become violent! Honestly I am tired of everyone in our government! And to be more honest some of these school kids seem to have a better grip on reality! When I say all I mean All regardless of party!

Answer 98

Opinion Owner

@josephinelcajon Here is my problem with Republicans right now. Look at Democrats all the people that make the news like AOC and Pelosi are sitting congress people. Who would Republicans rally behind? A lot of young conservatives that are popular are not holding any office right now.

Answer 99

ninaneedshelp

So stupid like he's leaving why waste anymore money trying to get rid of him. This is all a show to make sure no ones looking at the crimes the left is involved in

Answer 100

Anonymous

I have a bad feeling the inauguration is going to be really crazy. Honestly, they should just do a zoom meeting style inauguration.

ninaneedshelp

1 mo
They will have to do that so that way they don't look suspicious when all bidens supporters don't show

Answer 101

ninaneedshelp

They will have to do that so that way they don't look suspicious when all bidens supporters don't show

Answer 102

SamtheDnDgirl | 193 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Yoda

Well, he can't pardon himself, that is something that he cannot do, he'd have to be pardoned by his successor.

hellionthesagereborn

1 mo
What would he have to pardon himself for, he never commited a crime?
Teyfet

1 mo
He will still try to pardon himself, then it will have to be officially determined (by SCOTUS, likely) that a POTUS can't do that. But, yes, that's why I expect him to resign on the 20th & get pence to pardon him.
hellionthesagereborn

1 mo
Again, why would he pardon himself and for what, he hasn't broken a single law (if he had the left would have strung him up by now. They have been doing everything in their power to find an excuse to destroy him, even desperately trying to find a tax fuck up to try and throw him in prison for defying him. So clearly their is no reason to pardon himself unless its to preempt the left who will try to have him arrest for simply existing and daring to question them (all they have on him right now)).

Answer 103

hellionthesagereborn

What would he have to pardon himself for, he never commited a crime?

Answer 104

Teyfet

He will still try to pardon himself, then it will have to be officially determined (by SCOTUS, likely) that a POTUS can't do that. But, yes, that's why I expect him to resign on the 20th & get pence to pardon him.

Answer 105

hellionthesagereborn

Again, why would he pardon himself and for what, he hasn't broken a single law (if he had the left would have strung him up by now. They have been doing everything in their power to find an excuse to destroy him, even desperately trying to find a tax fuck up to try and throw him in prison for defying him. So clearly their is no reason to pardon himself unless its to preempt the left who will try to have him arrest for simply existing and daring to question them (all they have on him right now)).

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Yaaten | 179 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Xper 6

Regarding Option D: why Russia? Why would he go there? That's even assuming he has a reason to go into exile, and he does not. Anyway, I selected A.

Yaaten

1 mo
D, not :o
Teyfet

1 mo
He doesn't want to go to prison, so he'd rather flee the country than take that chance.
He'd have to flee to a country that would accept him but wouldn't extradite him - that would include Russia, for example.
devilman666

1 mo
What makes you think he'd leave respectfully?
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Yaaten

1 mo
Why would he be worried about winding up in prison? He hasn't broken any laws.
devilman666

1 mo
@Yaaten ah good, since we agree Trump broke 0 laws, Obama broke 0 laws, Biden broke 0 laws, Bill and Hillary Clinton broke 0 laws, Kamalla broke 0 laws, etc.

We don't have direct evidence they committed any crimes so therefore they are innocent.
Yaaten

1 mo
@devilman666 Ever hear of the presumption of innocence? People are innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. If you have evidence of guilt, then present it. Otherwise, put a cork in it!
devilman666

1 mo
Oh wow, so you're telling me nobody ever had the right to call Obama a Muslim? Or ask to see his birth certificate? XD you guys only presume innocence with republicans. Hell you guys spent the entire election presuming Biden has Alzheimers. Why didn't you guys presume Hillary as innocent?
Yaaten

1 mo
@devilman666 Apparently you believe that being a Muslim or being born outside the U. S. are "crimes". Interesting, but rather daft don't you think? I don't believe either about (former) President Obama, but in any case he wasn't exactly the best president you've had over there, and he did some things that were rather reprehensible (ex. his childlike enthusiasm for murdering suspected "terrorists" using drones, which usually ended up killing civilians at weddings - 'collateral damage' is the odious euphemism used to make it seem more palatable).
Yaaten

1 mo
@devilman666 By the way, I'm not a Republican. I'm a Monarchist.
devilman666

1 mo
@Yaaten well if we're going to diferentiate between crimes and accusations then I can just say I think Trump broke a law. Then I'm not saying it should go to court, but he should definitely be investigated and we should be allow to say we think he did it lmfao. How can you say that we can't use our first amendment to call Trump a criminal, but republicans can use their first amendment to call Obama a Muslim, an illegal immigrant (which is a crime by the way), and to accuse Hillary Clinton of a crime? They even chanted "LOCK HER UP!", WITH NO GOD DAMNED EVIDENCE!

I don't live in USA, I'm Canadian and I actually agree that Obama was far from the best president ever, I'm just saying that Trump and his supporters made many untrue claims about both Obama and Hillary, so if you support Trump's claims then I see no reason why you would oppose mine, we have the same amount of evidence. I agree with the drone strikes comment but hasn't Trump done more drone strikes than Obama did in his first term? Trump even drone striked a general from Iran, which could have started a massive conflict. Collateral damage from drone strikes hasn't gotten any better since Obama left. I don't agree with it but I'm just pointing out that neither candidate represents your views hear.
devilman666

1 mo
That's even worse in my opinion. You want a royal dictatorship in your country, unless you want to be king, you seem like a moron to me. What advantage do you even have? Sure if we assume the king is somehow the best leader ever then yes it will be a good thing, but if the king is corrupt or weak willed then history shows the country will go into heavy decline because it rests entirely on his shoulders and he is responsible for everything.
Yaaten

1 mo
@devilman666 "How can you say that we can't use our first amendment to call Trump a criminal, but republicans can use their first amendment to call Obama a Muslim, an illegal immigrant..."
I NEVER said either! Did I? Nope. Don't tell lies. Lying is a sin. It's wrong.
Yaaten

1 mo
@devilman666 "You want a royal dictatorship in your country, unless you want to be king, you seem like a moron to me".
Okay, listen up. You clearly are not familiar with the concept of a constitutional monarchy. Britain, and where I live Australia, are DEMOCRACIES that are ALSO MONARCHIES. Got it? We're both. Royal dictatorship? No. That is not what we have over here. Your ignorance of basic political concepts is embarrassing and inexcusable for someone as old as you are, and yet you have the audacity, the sheer gall to call ME an idiot! Wow.
Get your head out of your ass and BLOODY LEARN SOMETHING!
devilman666

1 mo
@Yaaten well you responded to my comment by defending the people calling him a muslim becauase "its not a crime". Exact words: "Apparently you believe a Muslim or being born outside the U. S. are 'crimes'.". If you think lying is a sin then Trump is the king of sinners.

I am familiar with the concept of constitutional monarchy (I live in Canada after all... I have the same Queen as you), but that is very different from an actual monarchy, sorry, you confused me. A constitutional monarchy is barely even a monarchy at all, the monarch is basically just a figure head with no actual power. You're a democracy/republic that happens to have a powerless "king/queen", who is in title only. Now keep in mind I say that as a Canadian who loves the Queen, I'm just more than willing to admit that she has no actual governmental power.

Exact words: "By the way, I'm not a republican. I'm a Monarchist."
Just to clarify, try saying "constitutional monarchist" next time, cause you can get upsetti spaghetti if you want but the simple fact of the matter is that you mislabelled yourself, I did not mislabel you.

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Yaaten

D, not :o

Answer 108

Teyfet

He doesn't want to go to prison, so he'd rather flee the country than take that chance.
He'd have to flee to a country that would accept him but wouldn't extradite him - that would include Russia, for example.

Answer 109

devilman666

What makes you think he'd leave respectfully?

Answer 110

Yaaten

Why would he be worried about winding up in prison? He hasn't broken any laws.

Answer 111

devilman666

@Yaaten ah good, since we agree Trump broke 0 laws, Obama broke 0 laws, Biden broke 0 laws, Bill and Hillary Clinton broke 0 laws, Kamalla broke 0 laws, etc.

We don't have direct evidence they committed any crimes so therefore they are innocent.

Answer 112

Yaaten

@devilman666 Ever hear of the presumption of innocence? People are innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. If you have evidence of guilt, then present it. Otherwise, put a cork in it!

Answer 113

devilman666

Oh wow, so you're telling me nobody ever had the right to call Obama a Muslim? Or ask to see his birth certificate? XD you guys only presume innocence with republicans. Hell you guys spent the entire election presuming Biden has Alzheimers. Why didn't you guys presume Hillary as innocent?

Answer 114

Yaaten

@devilman666 Apparently you believe that being a Muslim or being born outside the U. S. are "crimes". Interesting, but rather daft don't you think? I don't believe either about (former) President Obama, but in any case he wasn't exactly the best president you've had over there, and he did some things that were rather reprehensible (ex. his childlike enthusiasm for murdering suspected "terrorists" using drones, which usually ended up killing civilians at weddings - 'collateral damage' is the odious euphemism used to make it seem more palatable).

Answer 115

Yaaten

@devilman666 By the way, I'm not a Republican. I'm a Monarchist.

Answer 116

devilman666

@Yaaten well if we're going to diferentiate between crimes and accusations then I can just say I think Trump broke a law. Then I'm not saying it should go to court, but he should definitely be investigated and we should be allow to say we think he did it lmfao. How can you say that we can't use our first amendment to call Trump a criminal, but republicans can use their first amendment to call Obama a Muslim, an illegal immigrant (which is a crime by the way), and to accuse Hillary Clinton of a crime? They even chanted "LOCK HER UP!", WITH NO GOD DAMNED EVIDENCE!

I don't live in USA, I'm Canadian and I actually agree that Obama was far from the best president ever, I'm just saying that Trump and his supporters made many untrue claims about both Obama and Hillary, so if you support Trump's claims then I see no reason why you would oppose mine, we have the same amount of evidence. I agree with the drone strikes comment but hasn't Trump done more drone strikes than Obama did in his first term? Trump even drone striked a general from Iran, which could have started a massive conflict. Collateral damage from drone strikes hasn't gotten any better since Obama left. I don't agree with it but I'm just pointing out that neither candidate represents your views hear.

Answer 117

devilman666

That's even worse in my opinion. You want a royal dictatorship in your country, unless you want to be king, you seem like a moron to me. What advantage do you even have? Sure if we assume the king is somehow the best leader ever then yes it will be a good thing, but if the king is corrupt or weak willed then history shows the country will go into heavy decline because it rests entirely on his shoulders and he is responsible for everything.

Answer 118

Yaaten

@devilman666 "How can you say that we can't use our first amendment to call Trump a criminal, but republicans can use their first amendment to call Obama a Muslim, an illegal immigrant..."
I NEVER said either! Did I? Nope. Don't tell lies. Lying is a sin. It's wrong.

Answer 119

Yaaten

@devilman666 "You want a royal dictatorship in your country, unless you want to be king, you seem like a moron to me".
Okay, listen up. You clearly are not familiar with the concept of a constitutional monarchy. Britain, and where I live Australia, are DEMOCRACIES that are ALSO MONARCHIES. Got it? We're both. Royal dictatorship? No. That is not what we have over here. Your ignorance of basic political concepts is embarrassing and inexcusable for someone as old as you are, and yet you have the audacity, the sheer gall to call ME an idiot! Wow.
Get your head out of your ass and BLOODY LEARN SOMETHING!

Answer 120

devilman666

@Yaaten well you responded to my comment by defending the people calling him a muslim becauase "its not a crime". Exact words: "Apparently you believe a Muslim or being born outside the U. S. are 'crimes'.". If you think lying is a sin then Trump is the king of sinners.

I am familiar with the concept of constitutional monarchy (I live in Canada after all... I have the same Queen as you), but that is very different from an actual monarchy, sorry, you confused me. A constitutional monarchy is barely even a monarchy at all, the monarch is basically just a figure head with no actual power. You're a democracy/republic that happens to have a powerless "king/queen", who is in title only. Now keep in mind I say that as a Canadian who loves the Queen, I'm just more than willing to admit that she has no actual governmental power.

Exact words: "By the way, I'm not a republican. I'm a Monarchist."
Just to clarify, try saying "constitutional monarchist" next time, cause you can get upsetti spaghetti if you want but the simple fact of the matter is that you mislabelled yourself, I did not mislabel you.

Answer 121

loveslongnails | 2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Guru

Maybe he'll die of Covid and Melania will be free !!

Teyfet

1 mo
I thought that too, back when he got it, but damn if his healthcare isn't too good! They pumped him so full of superdrugs that he felt like superman bounding up those stairs (& even wanted to wear a superman costume).

Answer 122

Teyfet

I thought that too, back when he got it, but damn if his healthcare isn't too good! They pumped him so full of superdrugs that he felt like superman bounding up those stairs (& even wanted to wear a superman costume).

Answer 123

collie22 | 88 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Xper 6

he'll sneak out of the country to some third world place

Teyfet

1 mo
My money is also on this, because his fear of prison is greater than his fear of living in a "shit-hole country."
collie22

1 mo
then he could be king
Teyfet

1 mo
LOL
Only if he got all of his trumpanzees to flee there with him & oust the existing ruler there.
But, hey, I would like to see that happen. :D

Answer 124

Teyfet

My money is also on this, because his fear of prison is greater than his fear of living in a "shit-hole country."

Answer 125

collie22

then he could be king

Answer 126

Teyfet

LOL
Only if he got all of his trumpanzees to flee there with him & oust the existing ruler there.
But, hey, I would like to see that happen. :D

Answer 127

JackSmy | 1.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Guru

I am pretty sure that he will be ESCORTED OUT, by armed guards, being the Arrogant, Dictator, Liar that he is.

Answer 128

Smoke-n-Growls | 477 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Yoda

By clusterfuck. I have no idea how America is going to act, but it's gonna be a clusterfuck.

Tstrbrainer

1 mo
Clusterfuck? 🤔
Smoke-n-Growls

1 mo
@Tstrbrainer That is the appropriate reaction, yes.
Tstrbrainer

1 mo
But I seriously don't know what it means?
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Smoke-n-Growls

1 mo
It's a colloquial term that usually means "one big ass fucking mess".

But the confusion response is accurate to what I'm trying to say will happen. It's gonna be confusing, backwards, and whatever happens is gonna be an embarrassment.

Alt-right has really shown Americas ass (and not the Captain America version) to the world and has asked every possible power to please plough it into irrelevance.
Tstrbrainer

1 mo
Okay, now I get it.
Anyway, Trump was fun
Smoke-n-Growls

1 mo
He was entertaining for sure, but also very concerning.

I'm looking forward to how the USA changes in the next twenty years.

Answer 129

Tstrbrainer

Clusterfuck? 🤔

Answer 130

Smoke-n-Growls

@Tstrbrainer That is the appropriate reaction, yes.

Answer 131

Tstrbrainer

But I seriously don't know what it means?

Answer 132

Smoke-n-Growls

It's a colloquial term that usually means "one big ass fucking mess".

But the confusion response is accurate to what I'm trying to say will happen. It's gonna be confusing, backwards, and whatever happens is gonna be an embarrassment.

Alt-right has really shown Americas ass (and not the Captain America version) to the world and has asked every possible power to please plough it into irrelevance.

Answer 133

Tstrbrainer

Okay, now I get it.
Anyway, Trump was fun

Answer 134

Smoke-n-Growls

He was entertaining for sure, but also very concerning.

I'm looking forward to how the USA changes in the next twenty years.

Answer 135

Anonymous

In handcuffs, and he's put on trial and convicted of any and all crimes he has committed.

We are better than what we saw last week at the Capitol.

Answer 136

WesBrewer | 199 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Yoda

Probably a mix between A and B, I think that the protestors will make sh*t go down either way.

Answer 137

lanadelrey25 | 336 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Yoda

Voted A, the dems are the ones who are trying to turn our government into a dictatorship.

Teyfet

1 mo
You don't know the definitions of fascism or dictatorship.
But, thanks for voting, and I actually hope that he does A, though all signs indicate one (or more) of the others.
lanadelrey25

1 mo
Yes, I do the definition actually dumb ass.
NatalieKeller95

1 mo
fascism has uniforms, fascism has you killed for the slightest disagreement, Trump didn't kill anyone, he just makes you lose your credit,

Answer 138

Teyfet

You don't know the definitions of fascism or dictatorship.
But, thanks for voting, and I actually hope that he does A, though all signs indicate one (or more) of the others.

Answer 139

lanadelrey25

Yes, I do the definition actually dumb ass.

Answer 140

NatalieKeller95

fascism has uniforms, fascism has you killed for the slightest disagreement, Trump didn't kill anyone, he just makes you lose your credit,

Answer 141

najekim | 598 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Explorer

From what I've heard in the media, he won't even be in Washington on inauguration day.

Answer 142

tHISpLACEiSbONKERZ | 482 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Xper 7

Hopefully with some explosions and a lot of gun fire. Can't wait.

tHISpLACEiSbONKERZ

1 mo

Answer 143

tHISpLACEiSbONKERZ

How will 45's term of office end?

Answer 144

genericname85 | 2.4K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Master

i think he will hand over office normally but still somehow behave like a sore lose doing it.

Answer 145

ninaneedshelp | 59 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Xper 5

If Pelosi, Hillary and Obama haven't gone to jail yet they better not even think about sending him to prison!

Shuttlebus78

1 mo
But but Hillary.. But but Obama.
ninaneedshelp

1 mo
@Shuttlebus78 lol
Hypnos0929

1 mo
"I'm petty and because people hate my candidate I hope everyone else goes to prison"
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ninaneedshelp

1 mo
@Hypnos0929 who's your candidate?

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Shuttlebus78

But but Hillary.. But but Obama.

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ninaneedshelp

@Shuttlebus78 lol

Answer 148

Hypnos0929

"I'm petty and because people hate my candidate I hope everyone else goes to prison"

Answer 149

ninaneedshelp

@Hypnos0929 who's your candidate?

Answer 150

Anonymous

"The picture will be unhung and the man will be hung".

Answer 151

Hispanic-Cool-Guy | 4.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Master

Total disaster. Don't be surprised if Trump declares Marshall law in 7 or 8 days from now.

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Hydra6544 | 178 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Xper 4

He can’t pardon himself and he will most likely just go back to being a millionaire

Teyfet

1 mo
I agree, he can't, but he will try. Just as he will pardon all of his family members & Toadies. As for the millionaire part, he's deeply in debt, so his money won't last.
Hydra6544

1 mo
1. millionaire means his net worth is over 1 million including debt so that’s wrong
2. What did he family do except be related to him Baron didn’t commit any crimes
3. Presidents can’t pardon themselves at all and also for a pardon to be needed a crime has to be committed
josephinelcajon

1 mo
I do not remember who it was but the news said someone told him if he does try its also an admission of guilt and not advised!
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josephinelcajon

1 mo
There are three people with any involvement himself his son and daughter only. The rest of his family has done nothing. Hell Barron was a ghost never said a single word and his wife was not seen but a hand full of times.
Teyfet

1 mo
1. "your net worth is really everything you own of significance (your assets) minus what you owe in debts (your liabilities)."
www.thesimpledollar.com/.../

2. "All" was a bit hyperbolic on my part. Neither Barron nor Tiffany need them. As for the rest:
www.complex.com/.../trump-has-told-aides-he-wants-to-pardon-himself

3. I am certain that he will issue himself a pardon; however, as you insinuate, it will not be considered a legitimate pardon.
www.washingtonpost.com/.../...b28bc52b1_story.html
Hydra6544

1 mo
Dude he can’t pardon himself the courts don’t work that way it’s impossible
Hydra6544

1 mo
@josephinelcajon but he can’t that would be the same as a judge dropping charges on himself

Answer 153

Teyfet

I agree, he can't, but he will try. Just as he will pardon all of his family members & Toadies. As for the millionaire part, he's deeply in debt, so his money won't last.

Answer 154

Hydra6544

1. millionaire means his net worth is over 1 million including debt so that’s wrong
2. What did he family do except be related to him Baron didn’t commit any crimes
3. Presidents can’t pardon themselves at all and also for a pardon to be needed a crime has to be committed

Answer 155

josephinelcajon

I do not remember who it was but the news said someone told him if he does try its also an admission of guilt and not advised!

Answer 156

josephinelcajon

There are three people with any involvement himself his son and daughter only. The rest of his family has done nothing. Hell Barron was a ghost never said a single word and his wife was not seen but a hand full of times.

Answer 157

Teyfet

1. "your net worth is really everything you own of significance (your assets) minus what you owe in debts (your liabilities)."
www.thesimpledollar.com/.../

2. "All" was a bit hyperbolic on my part. Neither Barron nor Tiffany need them. As for the rest:
www.complex.com/.../trump-has-told-aides-he-wants-to-pardon-himself

3. I am certain that he will issue himself a pardon; however, as you insinuate, it will not be considered a legitimate pardon.
www.washingtonpost.com/.../...b28bc52b1_story.html

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Hydra6544

Dude he can’t pardon himself the courts don’t work that way it’s impossible

Answer 159

Hydra6544

@josephinelcajon but he can’t that would be the same as a judge dropping charges on himself

Answer 160

mrkdvsn | 1.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Guru

Assuming he's not successful in his rightful win, the situation will be disgusting, illegitimate, outrageous, and destructive to our Republic.

devilman666

1 mo
Can you prove his rightful win? If not then why?
Teyfet

1 mo
@devilman666 The republic (of electors) gave the Orange Idiot a wrongful win (depriving the majority of voters), but the democracy (some 81.28 million strong) voted for Biden, our rightful president. The "Yoda" doesn't know what he's talking about.
devilman666

1 mo
The electoral college voted for Biden, didn't they? I don't know what you mean by republic giving Trump a wrongful win, but I wanted to give this guy a chance to present his case, whatever that may be.
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Teyfet

1 mo
Yes, this time (2020) they did - this time both the popular vote & electoral college voted for Biden.
However, in 2016, the popular vote went for Hillary by c. 3 million votes, but the electors went for trump.

A republic is a government by representation (the electors are essentially representatives for their state's voters). A democracy is a government determined by the will/vote of the people.

Sorry for the confusion.
devilman666

1 mo
Yeah ik what a republic is, thanks though. As for what happened in 2016, it was a matter of electoral votes rather than popular votes. Basically your election system is kinda stupid, it wouldn't be aweful if they changed the numbers to fit the population, but areas like NY and California are heavily underrepresented by the electoral college because they're so heavily populated. In 2016 it was reported that (if everyone voted) a vote in wyoming would be worth almost 4 votes in California. So even though more people vote for one candidate, the other candidate can still win because electoral votes matter more than popular votes. In this case Biden won both the popular vote and the electoral college vote, technically they could vote against the people anyways but they typically dont. This misrepresentation is why I think the electoral college needs to end.

www.latimes.com/.../electoral-college-why-should-wyoming-voters-have-more-power-than-californians

theconversation.com/whose-votes-count-the-least-in-the-electoral-college-74280

wallethub.com/edu/how-much-is-your-vote-worth/7932
Teyfet

1 mo
The electoral college should have ended with slavery, but, unfortunately, idiots believe that because it's in the constitution it should not be removed...
We are, however, getting close to an extra-constitutional solution.
en.m.wikipedia.org/.../National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
Cross your fingers for us. (A side note: Barring one re-election, the republicons have not won the popular vote in a single election going back to 1988.)
mrkdvsn

1 mo
@devilman666 Trump's win is proven when you watch and listen to all the reports on many conservative (alternative) news outlets. There's just no denying all the fraud.
devilman666

1 mo
@mrkdsvn I don't want a report or an opinion piece, I want unbiased evidence that can hold up in court. No one has ever managed to provide this for me.
devilman666

1 mo
Can you prove the fraud? Cause in the court of law we dont have to prove you false, you have to prove that your claim is true. That's why we say: "innocent until proven guilty".
mrkdvsn

1 mo
@devilman666 There's plenty of videos that show the shenanigans that took place
devilman666

1 mo
@Teyfet it sounds nice and I'll hope for you, but such a thing will become deeply partisan. It will pass in democrat states but very few if any republican ones, and if you try to force it then they will call it communism and voter fraud. Like you pointed out, republicans need this if they want to get elected and push their ideology, they'll never accept it, and they'll turn their supporters against it with propoganda the moment it becomes a threat. Fingers crossed and all, but I'm not confident it will work.

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devilman666

Can you prove his rightful win? If not then why?

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Teyfet

@devilman666 The republic (of electors) gave the Orange Idiot a wrongful win (depriving the majority of voters), but the democracy (some 81.28 million strong) voted for Biden, our rightful president. The "Yoda" doesn't know what he's talking about.

Answer 163

devilman666

The electoral college voted for Biden, didn't they? I don't know what you mean by republic giving Trump a wrongful win, but I wanted to give this guy a chance to present his case, whatever that may be.

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Teyfet

Yes, this time (2020) they did - this time both the popular vote & electoral college voted for Biden.
However, in 2016, the popular vote went for Hillary by c. 3 million votes, but the electors went for trump.

A republic is a government by representation (the electors are essentially representatives for their state's voters). A democracy is a government determined by the will/vote of the people.

Sorry for the confusion.

Answer 165

devilman666

Yeah ik what a republic is, thanks though. As for what happened in 2016, it was a matter of electoral votes rather than popular votes. Basically your election system is kinda stupid, it wouldn't be aweful if they changed the numbers to fit the population, but areas like NY and California are heavily underrepresented by the electoral college because they're so heavily populated. In 2016 it was reported that (if everyone voted) a vote in wyoming would be worth almost 4 votes in California. So even though more people vote for one candidate, the other candidate can still win because electoral votes matter more than popular votes. In this case Biden won both the popular vote and the electoral college vote, technically they could vote against the people anyways but they typically dont. This misrepresentation is why I think the electoral college needs to end.

www.latimes.com/.../electoral-college-why-should-wyoming-voters-have-more-power-than-californians

theconversation.com/whose-votes-count-the-least-in-the-electoral-college-74280

wallethub.com/edu/how-much-is-your-vote-worth/7932

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Teyfet

The electoral college should have ended with slavery, but, unfortunately, idiots believe that because it's in the constitution it should not be removed...
We are, however, getting close to an extra-constitutional solution.
en.m.wikipedia.org/.../National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
Cross your fingers for us. (A side note: Barring one re-election, the republicons have not won the popular vote in a single election going back to 1988.)

Answer 167

mrkdvsn

@devilman666 Trump's win is proven when you watch and listen to all the reports on many conservative (alternative) news outlets. There's just no denying all the fraud.

Answer 168

devilman666

@mrkdsvn I don't want a report or an opinion piece, I want unbiased evidence that can hold up in court. No one has ever managed to provide this for me.

Answer 169

devilman666

Can you prove the fraud? Cause in the court of law we dont have to prove you false, you have to prove that your claim is true. That's why we say: "innocent until proven guilty".

Answer 170

mrkdvsn

@devilman666 There's plenty of videos that show the shenanigans that took place

Answer 171

devilman666

@Teyfet it sounds nice and I'll hope for you, but such a thing will become deeply partisan. It will pass in democrat states but very few if any republican ones, and if you try to force it then they will call it communism and voter fraud. Like you pointed out, republicans need this if they want to get elected and push their ideology, they'll never accept it, and they'll turn their supporters against it with propoganda the moment it becomes a threat. Fingers crossed and all, but I'm not confident it will work.

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Sabretooth | 1.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Guru

all but as is a possibility. i am leaning towards E.

Answer 173

Anonymous

He will be assassinated.

ninaneedshelp

1 mo
By the ones he thought he could trust. :(
Opinion Owner

1 mo
Hmm.. that would be a twist.
Teyfet

1 mo
I'd have thought that more of a possibility after he became president (in 2016) without the majority vote, so it seemed less of a possibility as the years passed.

Answer 174

ninaneedshelp

By the ones he thought he could trust. :(

Answer 175

Opinion Owner

Hmm.. that would be a twist.

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Teyfet

I'd have thought that more of a possibility after he became president (in 2016) without the majority vote, so it seemed less of a possibility as the years passed.

Answer 177

Imuglyandiknowit

Xper 5

he’s going to lash out like a sore loser again

Teyfet

1 mo
Definitely, though it'll be even more like a toddler tantrum because he doesn't have the Twitter (or other Social Media) bullhorn.

Answer 178

Teyfet

Definitely, though it'll be even more like a toddler tantrum because he doesn't have the Twitter (or other Social Media) bullhorn.

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RationalMale | 1.5K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Guru

With him invoking Insurrection Act.

Teyfet

1 mo
With him invoking the Insurrection Act to deal with the Insurrection that he incited?
RationalMale

1 mo
You mean with his explicit saying he wanted peaceful protest? You're one of those sad hypocrites that loved the 2020 riots but fainted January 6.
Teyfet

1 mo
Again, nothing "rational" about you.

Answer 180

Teyfet

With him invoking the Insurrection Act to deal with the Insurrection that he incited?

Answer 181

RationalMale

You mean with his explicit saying he wanted peaceful protest? You're one of those sad hypocrites that loved the 2020 riots but fainted January 6.

Answer 182

Teyfet

Again, nothing "rational" about you.

Answer 183

PopMart1997

Xper 5

He’s a crooked, corrupt, psychotic man.

Answer 184

lpoots | 342 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Explorer

the only president to be impeached twice

Answer 185

josephinelcajon | 250 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Xper 7

CIVIL WAR

Teyfet

1 mo
I should have included that as an (Or) option with Insurrection/Sedition/Coup.
josephinelcajon

1 mo
And actually I should have said world war due to the fact if we go down the world will be destroyed WW3 will be catastrophic to say the least! As messed up as we are we do hold the world to some level of peace. Not saying we are true peace keepers or good at it sadly we stir a lot of shit up!
Teyfet

1 mo
I don't expect a civil war just yet; if/when it comes (with the next idiot), it will likely be peaceful.
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Yaaten

1 mo
Joseph in El Cajon - Oh right, sure, because you're the "indispensable nation". What garbage. If the U. S. collapses, the rest of the world will just grab the pop-corn and watch in stunned amusement. It will become the latest "reality show", and will attract record numbers of viewers. China and India will then take its place.
There wasn't a World War when the USSR imploded in 1991, and in the grand scheme of things that nation was far more important.

Answer 186

Teyfet

I should have included that as an (Or) option with Insurrection/Sedition/Coup.

Answer 187

josephinelcajon

And actually I should have said world war due to the fact if we go down the world will be destroyed WW3 will be catastrophic to say the least! As messed up as we are we do hold the world to some level of peace. Not saying we are true peace keepers or good at it sadly we stir a lot of shit up!

Answer 188

Teyfet

I don't expect a civil war just yet; if/when it comes (with the next idiot), it will likely be peaceful.

Answer 189

Yaaten

Joseph in El Cajon - Oh right, sure, because you're the "indispensable nation". What garbage. If the U. S. collapses, the rest of the world will just grab the pop-corn and watch in stunned amusement. It will become the latest "reality show", and will attract record numbers of viewers. China and India will then take its place.
There wasn't a World War when the USSR imploded in 1991, and in the grand scheme of things that nation was far more important.

Answer 190

DougMike

Xper 1

Respectfully but stay active in the GOP

Answer 191

ChefPapiChulo | 583 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Yoda

Every day he’s in office is a pain

Answer 192

legalboxers | 2.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Master

He has the nuclear codes people forget that

Answer 193

Shuttlebus78

Xper 3

We will find out soon enough.

Answer 194

bulletson

Xper 1

What is 45s

Answer 195

jimmy2 | 1.3K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Guru

The left would only hope for these options

Teyfet

1 mo
You don't hope for the first option?

Answer 196

Teyfet

You don't hope for the first option?

Answer 197

Anonymous

What is 45

CraigV

1 mo
45th president
Opinion Owner

1 mo
trumpet is 45th president?
CraigV

1 mo
Yes and no. He's the 45th term but the 44th person. There's another dude that became president but did not do the 2nd term consecutively.
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Opinion Owner

1 mo
how so exactly? I did not understand.
CraigV

1 mo
Okay so Trump is the 45th president in a way that there has been 45 elections. However, Trump is only the 44th person to actually hold the office.
Opinion Owner

1 mo
so why is so?
ChefPapiChulo

1 mo
@CraigV wtf are you talking about
CraigV

1 mo
How do y'all not understand this. There has only been 44 presidents of the United States. However there's a president who got elected 2 times non consecutively. So this dude was the 22nd and 24th president. Which translates to Trump being the 45th president while also only being the 44th person to hold the position.
Teyfet

1 mo
There have been 45 different presidential terms (this count does not include [multiple] sequential terms).
Opinion Owner

1 mo
I do not know because i am not American @CraigV
JamesRandiDebates

1 mo
There have been 58 presidential terms so far. With 44 men having held the office.
Opinion Owner

1 mo
Wow, this js real?
ChefPapiChulo

1 mo
@JamesRandiDebates thats what got me confused too. There's been more than 45 terms.
CraigV

1 mo
There's been 58 presidential elections. There's 45 different presidencies. And there's 44 different people who became president.
Opinion Owner

1 mo
My brain is really burned. 404 not found.
Teyfet

1 mo
en.m.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_presidents_of_the_United_States

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CraigV

45th president

Answer 199

Opinion Owner

trumpet is 45th president?

Answer 200

CraigV

Yes and no. He's the 45th term but the 44th person. There's another dude that became president but did not do the 2nd term consecutively.

Answer 201

Opinion Owner

how so exactly? I did not understand.

Answer 202

CraigV

Okay so Trump is the 45th president in a way that there has been 45 elections. However, Trump is only the 44th person to actually hold the office.

Answer 203

Opinion Owner

so why is so?

Answer 204

ChefPapiChulo

@CraigV wtf are you talking about

Answer 205

CraigV

How do y'all not understand this. There has only been 44 presidents of the United States. However there's a president who got elected 2 times non consecutively. So this dude was the 22nd and 24th president. Which translates to Trump being the 45th president while also only being the 44th person to hold the position.

Answer 206

Teyfet

There have been 45 different presidential terms (this count does not include [multiple] sequential terms).

Answer 207

Opinion Owner

I do not know because i am not American @CraigV

Answer 208

JamesRandiDebates

There have been 58 presidential terms so far. With 44 men having held the office.

Answer 209

Opinion Owner

Wow, this js real?

Answer 210

ChefPapiChulo

@JamesRandiDebates thats what got me confused too. There's been more than 45 terms.

Answer 211

CraigV

There's been 58 presidential elections. There's 45 different presidencies. And there's 44 different people who became president.

Answer 212

Opinion Owner

My brain is really burned. 404 not found.

Answer 213

Teyfet

en.m.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_presidents_of_the_United_States

Answer 214

msc545 | 1.8K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Guru

I think E and F.

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OddBeMe | 6.5K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

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With a whimper.

How will 45's term of office end?

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