Are France, England and the USA the worst countries in History?

[NamerOfStars]

That's a good o- oh, you're serious. How exactly a person chooses "the worst countries in history" is naturally subjective, but if you're looking at those three categories, then no- nowhere near.
-Slavery is pretty much inexcusable, but the forms practiced in England and France were no worse than those anywhere else in Europe- and sometimes much better. Slavery in the US was much the same; the big reason for demonization there was that it took so long to get rid of (and that process wasn't pleasant, either). Take a look at how the Assyrians (or the Kongolese) did it; that'll give a little perspective. Perhaps too much; again, I call it inexcusable. But some were definitely worse than others.
-Colonization is just less violent conquest. Ireland and Vietnam would definitely qualify as nastier examples, but again, compare France and England to the rest of Europe: Belgium and Portugal (and Spain, sometimes) made them look like relative saints. And have you ever heard of Mongolia?
-The Middle East has been a hotbed of strife, horror, and insanity for the last six thousand years, slacking off only when a major outside power came and took over the whole area (you can argue whether the empire of the Caliphate counted as an "outside power", but you get my point). Look at Afghanistan; the mightiest empires the world has ever seen all rode in to conquer it, but got driven out in the end, every single time. You wouldn't be wrong in thinking that you can't build an empire, let alone a nation, let alone a WORLD, on a mountain of skulls, but this is nothing that hasn't been tried before- and, much as I wish it were otherwise, nothing that won't be tried again.

History isn't over yet, and people who say that are really just bashing those who are currently more-or-less on top.

[Lionman95]

No I don´t think not because I come from those countries but I think because nearly every big nation had their negative time in history. Take Nazi Germany leading the world into World War II 60 million people died. Take Soviet Union they also killed millions of people. One doesn´t how many people are dieing in China or have died to etablish an autocratic Communist system. China and Soviet Union have also been pretty dangerous and murdering countries.
What about India? If you are born in a lower cast in the country side.
To sum it up, be cautious about who´s writting the article because some historians tend to be blind on the left eye meaning on the negative sides of socialism and communism while historians tend to be blind on imperialism, facism or other conservative forms. You´ve read an article from the extreme left, they have an interest to make capitalism and imperialism look bad and not mentioning the Soviets or other socialistic dictatorships on purpose so they can make their own position look good.

[Anonymous]

I guess they missed the countries that are overran by cartels and rebels to the point where there are no laws or justice and current mass genocides. But hey, I guess slavery exists so much that a black president was voted in the states for 8 years and a half black vice president, and many many poc influencers and celebs are successful. Or that many countries still send their kids here for education. Our country has a lot of issues, and I mean a crap ton. But there is opportunity that exists. In many countries, its tougher to come out of your social class. Its really bs to say its the worst. Its just another radical lefty hating on something. If they get tripped by a rock they'd probably say the rock was racist.

[electromagnetic]

Compared to what other countries have done and said, not really. They are bully nations but not necessarily the worse countries. There so much factors that can play into picking “the worse countries” I’ve lived in two of the 3 and visited France a few times, they suck for sure.

[MCheetah]

Anything that starts with, contains, or originates from the Progressive/extreme/radical/far left, I immediately believe the opposite of, because that's nearly guaranteed to be what's actually correct.

Besides of which, they completely failed to mention China (Mao Zedong era, or today), North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Chad, Nigeria, or Zimbabwe as countries far worse than anything in America, France, or England's history. The left are a bunch of pussies and dickheads (and any other anatomy you want to think of) who only pick soft targets they know won't fight back or is too civilized to give them problems, like white men. Hence, they'll only pick white/European countries and completely avoid their peers eating them like sharks for baseless accusations of "racism." There are literally countries in 2021, right now in Africa where girls' clits are cut off and they get multilated, and women literally live in a patriarchy in Saudi Arabia, but they want to pick the US as the worst country in history.

Once again, whatever the modern left believes, just believe in the opposite and you'll usually be correct. No, that article sounds so retarded, it must have come from The Mary Sue. Possibly The Guardian as well, but probably The Mary Sue.

[Guffrus]

To be honest I am not aware of all of the awful things that everyone has done over the years, so i couldnt really say.

I have no doubt that these 3 countries all have awful histories and some of that awfulness is recent.

The fact of the matter is that there seems to be no limit to how badly we can treat each other when circumstances lend themselves to it.

To my mind this isn't really anything to do with nations as such, i think there are 2 major factors at work either together or seperately which cause the worst of the outcomes.

The first is any systemic mechanism which allows a person to profit from the labour of another person.

The second is the dehumanisation of a group of people by another group of people.

Im reasonably confident that 100% or close to of all of the worst things in human history would be associated with one or both of those factors.

Any time you use the word best or worst you have to define 'at what'? So how are we even measuring this?

Im not sure it even matters, its not really the point is it? The real question is 'What the hell are we going to do about it?' We keep saying 'never again' and then it happens again.

The only thing that keeps these factors from being a horrific news story is the balance of power. We are well aware of this and have been for along time and we are supposed to know better at this point, but we dont.

We dont even notice when our freedoms are under attack in the Western world. Look at the last year, we have been locked in our homes on the strength of 'the government said so', anyone who has voiced any kind of opinion which questions the position of the State has been censored and or deplatformed. This is what tyranny looks like, generally what follows unchecked tyranny is a whole load of awfulness.

[guesswhoseback]

Funny you didn’t mention the Spain empire, Genghis Khan, the Persian empire and many historical empires that oppressed, murdered and enslaved millions of people. But I get it: only “white” empires are evil.

Let’s say you got your wish and these counties never existed. Well for starters GAG wouldn’t exist because the internet wouldn’t of ever been invented. Electricity might of never been invented either.

This isn’t what we have right now if it wasn’t for the inventors and great minds from these nations. We would not have:

- Modern medicine
- Electricity
- Automobiles
- Planes
- Space Travel
- The internet.
- Advanced sciences
- Advanced birth control (something you would probably care about)
- literally 90 percent of all modern inventions

[COMMODOREII]

Hmmm all of history? Let us see now. All of human history. The united states only existed a little over 200 years. Depending on which version of England and France you look at could depend which caused worst evils. I mean these countries are fairly new in history. Yes they have done many wrongs but nothing in comparison to lets say the Greek Empire, roman empire, ottoman empire. I mean there is evidence in babylon and egypt. And these empires lasted longer than 200 years. Plus nothing in comparison lets say the Spanish Inquisition or what about Genghis Kahn and his rampage. Then you can look back at the Ancient Chinese Dynasties and then Japanese empires. So can you really say all of history? Probably not. This person obviously has no real knowledge of human history.

[Astarlessnightsky]

Somewhat.

European countries have been aggressively colonizing and conquering Africa, America, Asia and Australia. France, UK, Spain Portugal, being the ones most active, followed by Netherlands, Belgium, Germany.

This was also followed by the slave trade and slavery to the US.

And USA was incredible trigger happy when it comes to invading countries and bringing war to the middle east and others.

But you should also count stuff like the holocaust, the genocide in china by the japanese, the genocides of the native americans, ...

[JackSmy]

Of course. LOL!! Not Germany, for MURDERING 11 MILLION, Jews, Gypsies and 'others'!!
Not Russia, Stalin, murdering 20 million, or Pol Pot, in Cambodia, with 2 million killed?
China, during the Communist Revolution, maybe 20 million killed?
What is your standard to judge? Or are you just posting hate, because you are just an unhappy, angry person, that just hates?

[Miristheiss]

Slavery, colonization has existed everywhere since the dawn of recorded history.
Your belief and angle that these countries invented it or that that is there one dominant encapsulation vs. just being one that they occurred within a very diverse culture is just a sign of having a poor and false grasp of history.

This is sad.

[andreasderjuengere]

The claim can be extended to almost every other country as well.
It depends on someone's own values to specify the evilness rating.
But in all cases the historical misdeeds are indeed not a reason to be proud.
Plus: history is not present life; so it would be incorrect to 'judge' a nation - or rather its population - for things that happened before they were even born.
It's not the countries that are 'bad', but some of their people who (at a given time) are.

[TeeBar]

The writer of that article was obviously an under-educated SJW snowflake who wasn't aware of what a fool they exposed themselves to the World to be. France, England and the USA, along with Germany, were the sources of most of the great inventions that created our modern world and that lifted hundreds of millions of people from miserable poverty to lives of plenty and satisfaction. Anything from the "extreme left" is invariably just mindless ranting based on their delusions of reality.

[Anonymous]

Oh, for sure. Can only speak for my own nation, America but: We dropped nuclear bombs on cities full of civilians during world war 2, rounded our own citizens up into internment camps without due process at the same time, constantly invade other countries without provocation to steal their shit, do things like MK Ultra. Like we have a pretty impressive track record for doing evil shit. I mean, everyone does evil shit, but America is #1 at doing evil shit. We always take it to the extreme. Absolutely nightmarish things, sometimes.

To be clear, I still love America, but I think it's important to be aware of our failings and be honest about them. You can't fix a problem if you don't admit you have one. As great as America is, it can be so much better and I would like it to be as great as it possibly can be, which means we must never stop improving and we must never forget what came before.

[yucel_eden]

What about China forcing its 30% ethnic Tax paying population into brainwashing and massacres through concerntration camps?

What about the soviets killing 800,000 of It’s people?

What about Saudi not allowing women to drive or cutting off arms?

What about the Iraqis killing Kurds.

What about Japan killing 100 million Chinese peoppe?

[TerminallyChill]

Yes. I would say so. The CIA, MI6 and DGSE, which are the respective intelligence agencies of USA, England and France are responsible for so much regime change, proxy wars, extrajudicial assassinations, terrorist and rebel funding, Neo and past colonialism and predatory financialist behavior that it will boggle the mind when you actually do your research. The CIA in particular is flabbergasting. France still makes 14 African countries pay a colonial tax of 500B a year and they made Haiti pay them reparations for Haiti freeing itseld from slavery.

[007kingifrit]

of course its untrue, its born from the left wing subconsciously held belief that anyone who has power is evil. the left hates the very idea of being powerful and thus the most successful countries are blamed. https://www.youtube.com/embed/jAAIekJB3wkleftism at its core is built on optimism. optimism only works until you have power because all optimistic ideas wither against reality. thus the left hates power... they don't know this about themselves but its true

[errorgoodnameunfound]

1. Whoops, they forgot Spain and the Netherlands. Pretty sure the conquistadors weren't exactly the friendliest and the Dutch, well,... they tried.
2. They are 100% the worst countries in the world... except for all the others. :)

[AMonthOfAugust]

Not at all?
These three countries are all bastions of different versions of Western culture and therefor are bastions of hope.
They aren't perfect by any means but point me to any country you call perfect and I'll show you a genocide they've committed, an act of fear they've caused, a natural born right they don't give their people.
No country is perfect. But these three are far from the worst in history.

[slatyb]

It's close. The US government committed genocide and dispossession on the Native Americans, and also permitted slavery for the first 85 years. I don't know French history well enough to comment on their crimes. I wouldn't leave out Soviet Russia where millions starved in the 1930's. And of course there's the Jewish Holocaust committed by Germany. I'm surprised that didn't get a mention.

[kkirk4442]

I entirely disagree with that assumption. Consider Nazi Germany. Communist Russia, and Russia under Putin. And Communist China has killed more people than any other country.

[menina]

If those are the worst countries in History, then pretty much all European countries are the worst in History. They all endorsed slavery and colonization.

[MissDawn7961]

I live N the U. S. A. and there is nothing wrong with the U. S. A. except us allowing other countries Riff Raff N to our country ! the 1 asking this question is B hind the times too ! for there is no more slavery N the U. S. A. either but the person asking this question is to ignorant to know this or even what slavery really is ! thanks

[Tyrael]

It depends how you measure "worst" and do you mean England or are you actually talking about the British Empire? Because those would be very different results.