I read an extreme left article which said that France, England and the USA were the most criminal countries in history, because of slavery, colonization, military interventions in the Middle East etc. Do you agree with that?
Are France, England and the USA the worst countries in History?
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NamerOfStars | 830 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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That's a good o- oh, you're serious. How exactly a person chooses "the worst countries in history" is naturally subjective, but if you're looking at those three categories, then no- nowhere near. -Slavery is pretty much inexcusable, but the forms practiced in England and France were no worse than those anywhere else in Europe- and sometimes much better. Slavery in the US was much the same; the big reason for demonization there was that it took so long to get rid of (and that process wasn't pleasant, either). Take a look at how the Assyrians (or the Kongolese) did it; that'll give a little perspective. Perhaps too much; again, I call it inexcusable. But some were definitely worse than others. -Colonization is just less violent conquest. Ireland and Vietnam would definitely qualify as nastier examples, but again, compare France and England to the rest of Europe: Belgium and Portugal (and Spain, sometimes) made them look like relative saints. And have you ever heard of Mongolia? -The Middle East has been a hotbed of strife, horror, and insanity for the last six thousand years, slacking off only when a major outside power came and took over the whole area (you can argue whether the empire of the Caliphate counted as an "outside power", but you get my point). Look at Afghanistan; the mightiest empires the world has ever seen all rode in to conquer it, but got driven out in the end, every single time. You wouldn't be wrong in thinking that you can't build an empire, let alone a nation, let alone a WORLD, on a mountain of skulls, but this is nothing that hasn't been tried before- and, much as I wish it were otherwise, nothing that won't be tried again.
History isn't over yet, and people who say that are really just bashing those who are currently more-or-less on top.
Lionman95 | 83 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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No I don´t think not because I come from those countries but I think because nearly every big nation had their negative time in history. Take Nazi Germany leading the world into World War II 60 million people died. Take Soviet Union they also killed millions of people. One doesn´t how many people are dieing in China or have died to etablish an autocratic Communist system. China and Soviet Union have also been pretty dangerous and murdering countries. What about India? If you are born in a lower cast in the country side. To sum it up, be cautious about who´s writting the article because some historians tend to be blind on the left eye meaning on the negative sides of socialism and communism while historians tend to be blind on imperialism, facism or other conservative forms. You´ve read an article from the extreme left, they have an interest to make capitalism and imperialism look bad and not mentioning the Soviets or other socialistic dictatorships on purpose so they can make their own position look good.
I guess they missed the countries that are overran by cartels and rebels to the point where there are no laws or justice and current mass genocides. But hey, I guess slavery exists so much that a black president was voted in the states for 8 years and a half black vice president, and many many poc influencers and celebs are successful. Or that many countries still send their kids here for education. Our country has a lot of issues, and I mean a crap ton. But there is opportunity that exists. In many countries, its tougher to come out of your social class. Its really bs to say its the worst. Its just another radical lefty hating on something. If they get tripped by a rock they'd probably say the rock was racist.
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Is this still revelant?
electromagnetic | 466 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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Compared to what other countries have done and said, not really. They are bully nations but not necessarily the worse countries. There so much factors that can play into picking “the worse countries” I’ve lived in two of the 3 and visited France a few times, they suck for sure.
MCheetah | 516 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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Anything that starts with, contains, or originates from the Progressive/extreme/radical/far left, I immediately believe the opposite of, because that's nearly guaranteed to be what's actually correct.
Besides of which, they completely failed to mention China (Mao Zedong era, or today), North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Chad, Nigeria, or Zimbabwe as countries far worse than anything in America, France, or England's history. The left are a bunch of pussies and dickheads (and any other anatomy you want to think of) who only pick soft targets they know won't fight back or is too civilized to give them problems, like white men. Hence, they'll only pick white/European countries and completely avoid their peers eating them like sharks for baseless accusations of "racism." There are literally countries in 2021, right now in Africa where girls' clits are cut off and they get multilated, and women literally live in a patriarchy in Saudi Arabia, but they want to pick the US as the worst country in history.
Once again, whatever the modern left believes, just believe in the opposite and you'll usually be correct. No, that article sounds so retarded, it must have come from The Mary Sue. Possibly The Guardian as well, but probably The Mary Sue.
the article comes from Mediapart, a French extreme left newspaper
Guffrus | 724 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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To be honest I am not aware of all of the awful things that everyone has done over the years, so i couldnt really say.
I have no doubt that these 3 countries all have awful histories and some of that awfulness is recent.
The fact of the matter is that there seems to be no limit to how badly we can treat each other when circumstances lend themselves to it.
To my mind this isn't really anything to do with nations as such, i think there are 2 major factors at work either together or seperately which cause the worst of the outcomes.
The first is any systemic mechanism which allows a person to profit from the labour of another person.
The second is the dehumanisation of a group of people by another group of people.
Im reasonably confident that 100% or close to of all of the worst things in human history would be associated with one or both of those factors.
Any time you use the word best or worst you have to define 'at what'? So how are we even measuring this?
Im not sure it even matters, its not really the point is it? The real question is 'What the hell are we going to do about it?' We keep saying 'never again' and then it happens again.
The only thing that keeps these factors from being a horrific news story is the balance of power. We are well aware of this and have been for along time and we are supposed to know better at this point, but we dont.
We dont even notice when our freedoms are under attack in the Western world. Look at the last year, we have been locked in our homes on the strength of 'the government said so', anyone who has voiced any kind of opinion which questions the position of the State has been censored and or deplatformed. This is what tyranny looks like, generally what follows unchecked tyranny is a whole load of awfulness.
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guesswhoseback | 91 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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Funny you didn’t mention the Spain empire, Genghis Khan, the Persian empire and many historical empires that oppressed, murdered and enslaved millions of people. But I get it: only “white” empires are evil.
Let’s say you got your wish and these counties never existed. Well for starters GAG wouldn’t exist because the internet wouldn’t of ever been invented. Electricity might of never been invented either.
This isn’t what we have right now if it wasn’t for the inventors and great minds from these nations. We would not have:
- Modern medicine - Electricity - Automobiles - Planes - Space Travel - The internet. - Advanced sciences - Advanced birth control (something you would probably care about) - literally 90 percent of all modern inventions
Spain isn’t exactly white. Western European but not English white. But it’s that empire was purposely omitted to focus on very white people only. So sick of it.
haha no problem, I also find it very boring, especially since these are the three countries which have given minorities the possibility of being able to live in peace in society
Good lord bro. How much of piece of shit do you have to be to do colonialism and imperialism apologetics? I bet you tell black Americans they should be thankful for slavery as well.
Can't be any less intelligent than saying you should be thankful that people pillaging your natural resources and humanity for centuries gave you electricity as a tangential result.
COMMODOREII | 1.3K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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Hmmm all of history? Let us see now. All of human history. The united states only existed a little over 200 years. Depending on which version of England and France you look at could depend which caused worst evils. I mean these countries are fairly new in history. Yes they have done many wrongs but nothing in comparison to lets say the Greek Empire, roman empire, ottoman empire. I mean there is evidence in babylon and egypt. And these empires lasted longer than 200 years. Plus nothing in comparison lets say the Spanish Inquisition or what about Genghis Kahn and his rampage. Then you can look back at the Ancient Chinese Dynasties and then Japanese empires. So can you really say all of history? Probably not. This person obviously has no real knowledge of human history.
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Astarlessnightsky | 1.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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Somewhat.
European countries have been aggressively colonizing and conquering Africa, America, Asia and Australia. France, UK, Spain Portugal, being the ones most active, followed by Netherlands, Belgium, Germany.
This was also followed by the slave trade and slavery to the US.
And USA was incredible trigger happy when it comes to invading countries and bringing war to the middle east and others.
But you should also count stuff like the holocaust, the genocide in china by the japanese, the genocides of the native americans, ...
How rare it is to find a person without an agenda and just tells history like it is such as yourself. The amount of revision in this question would be disheartening if I actually expected anything from humanity.
Yes, on the other hand you can also make the argument that all this is part of the past and those who are alive now aren't responsible for it.
Yes we do have to live with the consequences resulting from the actions done in the past, but you can't walk up to a portugese guy and make him responsible for Christoph Columbus discovering america which lead to the genocide on the aztec and mayan people by Cortez.
Even the Holocaust which is fairly recent, is already a thing of the past and no german alive today had anything to do with it (maybe one or two survivors are left.)
Remember history so it doesn't repeat itself, but look forward in the future and deal with that problems.
That's a very reductionist view of the situation. The behaviors, ideologies, culture and apparatuses of oppression people perpetuated in the past still have vestiges in and effect the present. That Portuguese guy might not have colonialized anyone but the white supremacy mindset that global European colonialism has indoctrinated the world with plays into his thought processes, decisons, business practices etc... Because make no mistake the neocolonialism of Africa, South America exists to this day and has never stopped. The only reason the Western World has the quality of life it has is because it has been doing regime change, proxy wars, extrajudicial assassinations, coups and deposings across the entire non-white world to exploit their mineral wealth, land, natural and geopolitical resources for the last 600 years.
I'm sorry to say but History is directly responsible for and has to be rectified for the present and future, there is no blank slate or carte blanche, like how white Americans pretend the legacy of last 500 years of denying black people jobs, housing, humanity, education, literacy, an honest living, doing secret scientific and chemical experiments are going to go away overnight and that there's any even close to resembling an equal footing in society, that's a denial of basic logic. This is Historicism 101. History is present.
Miristheiss | 1.1K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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Slavery, colonization has existed everywhere since the dawn of recorded history. Your belief and angle that these countries invented it or that that is there one dominant encapsulation vs. just being one that they occurred within a very diverse culture is just a sign of having a poor and false grasp of history.
This is sad.
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JackSmy | 1.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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Of course. LOL!! Not Germany, for MURDERING 11 MILLION, Jews, Gypsies and 'others'!! Not Russia, Stalin, murdering 20 million, or Pol Pot, in Cambodia, with 2 million killed? China, during the Communist Revolution, maybe 20 million killed? What is your standard to judge? Or are you just posting hate, because you are just an unhappy, angry person, that just hates?
The claim can be extended to almost every other country as well. It depends on someone's own values to specify the evilness rating. But in all cases the historical misdeeds are indeed not a reason to be proud. Plus: history is not present life; so it would be incorrect to 'judge' a nation - or rather its population - for things that happened before they were even born. It's not the countries that are 'bad', but some of their people who (at a given time) are.
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TeeBar | 239 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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The writer of that article was obviously an under-educated SJW snowflake who wasn't aware of what a fool they exposed themselves to the World to be. France, England and the USA, along with Germany, were the sources of most of the great inventions that created our modern world and that lifted hundreds of millions of people from miserable poverty to lives of plenty and satisfaction. Anything from the "extreme left" is invariably just mindless ranting based on their delusions of reality.
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Oh, for sure. Can only speak for my own nation, America but: We dropped nuclear bombs on cities full of civilians during world war 2, rounded our own citizens up into internment camps without due process at the same time, constantly invade other countries without provocation to steal their shit, do things like MK Ultra. Like we have a pretty impressive track record for doing evil shit. I mean, everyone does evil shit, but America is #1 at doing evil shit. We always take it to the extreme. Absolutely nightmarish things, sometimes.
To be clear, I still love America, but I think it's important to be aware of our failings and be honest about them. You can't fix a problem if you don't admit you have one. As great as America is, it can be so much better and I would like it to be as great as it possibly can be, which means we must never stop improving and we must never forget what came before.
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yucel_eden | 283 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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What about China forcing its 30% ethnic Tax paying population into brainwashing and massacres through concerntration camps?
What about the soviets killing 800,000 of It’s people?
What about Saudi not allowing women to drive or cutting off arms?
What about the Iraqis killing Kurds.
What about Japan killing 100 million Chinese peoppe?
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TerminallyChill | 134 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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Yes. I would say so. The CIA, MI6 and DGSE, which are the respective intelligence agencies of USA, England and France are responsible for so much regime change, proxy wars, extrajudicial assassinations, terrorist and rebel funding, Neo and past colonialism and predatory financialist behavior that it will boggle the mind when you actually do your research. The CIA in particular is flabbergasting. France still makes 14 African countries pay a colonial tax of 500B a year and they made Haiti pay them reparations for Haiti freeing itseld from slavery.
007kingifrit | 997 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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of course its untrue, its born from the left wing subconsciously held belief that anyone who has power is evil. the left hates the very idea of being powerful and thus the most successful countries are blamed. https://www.youtube.com/embed/jAAIekJB3wkleftism at its core is built on optimism. optimism only works until you have power because all optimistic ideas wither against reality. thus the left hates power... they don't know this about themselves but its true
@TerminallyChill <------ take note everyone; the leftist cannot argue points, only labels. it doesn't matter what pragerU's argument is because he is programmed with an "us vs them" mentallity. this is also a side effect of the left's optimism roots as optimism withers against arguments and thus the leftist is hard coded not to argue, but to accuse
thank you @TerminallyChill for being our monkey today, anytime you want to make a fool of yourself with bad arguments i will be happy to respond to, analyze, and chastise your comments
1. Whoops, they forgot Spain and the Netherlands. Pretty sure the conquistadors weren't exactly the friendliest and the Dutch, well,... they tried. 2. They are 100% the worst countries in the world... except for all the others. :)
Not at all? These three countries are all bastions of different versions of Western culture and therefor are bastions of hope. They aren't perfect by any means but point me to any country you call perfect and I'll show you a genocide they've committed, an act of fear they've caused, a natural born right they don't give their people. No country is perfect. But these three are far from the worst in history.
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slatyb | 1.5K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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It's close. The US government committed genocide and dispossession on the Native Americans, and also permitted slavery for the first 85 years. I don't know French history well enough to comment on their crimes. I wouldn't leave out Soviet Russia where millions starved in the 1930's. And of course there's the Jewish Holocaust committed by Germany. I'm surprised that didn't get a mention.
It's very illuminating of the Asker's agenda that they upvote every opinion that is the same as their agenda but down votes all the ones oppositional to it.
kkirk4442 | 98 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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I entirely disagree with that assumption. Consider Nazi Germany. Communist Russia, and Russia under Putin. And Communist China has killed more people than any other country.
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menina | 3.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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If those are the worst countries in History, then pretty much all European countries are the worst in History. They all endorsed slavery and colonization.
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MissDawn7961 | 567 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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I live N the U. S. A. and there is nothing wrong with the U. S. A. except us allowing other countries Riff Raff N to our country ! the 1 asking this question is B hind the times too ! for there is no more slavery N the U. S. A. either but the person asking this question is to ignorant to know this or even what slavery really is ! thanks
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Tyrael | 228 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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It depends how you measure "worst" and do you mean England or are you actually talking about the British Empire? Because those would be very different results.
In terms of history, USA hasn't been around long enough to even be considered the most criminal, though you must account for the fact that things we consider criminal now, were not always criminal. And things you might deem criminal are in fact not.
For me none of these countries are criminals, Yes slavery is a horrible thing, yes colonization is a bad thing and I think interventions in the Middle East are mostly mistakes. But if we look closely at history, all peoples practiced slavery, conquest, etc. Or we have to consider mankind as Criminal
@Tyrael The CIA has been around for a blink of an eye and has done more harm than intelligence agencies that have been around way longer. Do you know how many hundreds of coups of democratically elected leaders the USA has done in the name of exploiting developing regions geopolitical and natural resources. You seem very ignorant
@TerminallyChill sure, that still barely stacks up sorry to say. You seem very ignorant if you aren't aware of what other countries have been up to in history.
Nah. I'd say you are, the only reason I said what I did is because of extensive research into colonialism, neocolonialism and western geopolitical intervention. You really have no idea how much shit lays at the feet of American alphabet agencies and it shows.
Not at all. You're just triggered and feel attacked becausr you're white. History and facts aren't racist. Every race had committed atrocity but it's clear to anyone with a google search function who has wreaked and continues to wreak the most havoc worldwide.
I don’t know about the past but currently they are not. There are many more countries in the world that are more dangerous to live in than France, USA and England
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AlexanderAnttila | 165 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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They seem to have left out that dozens of countries other than these did slavery and colonization. Including nations in the Middle East. Just more drivel from leftist fanatics.
Yes Yes lol, you have to be honest slavery and colonization are horrible things but the whole of humanity has practiced it on all continents, but it is only often that these 3 countries point the finger and they forget to say all that these 3 countries brought to the world
loveslongnails | 1.9K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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The USA hasn't been around long enough to get into that category. There are many countries throughout history that can compete for that title, not just England and France.
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iseekpinetrees | 66 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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No... it depends on what part of history you focus on.
The things that make a politician a good politician are the same things that make a politician a lousy one. What makes a country criminal, is also sometimes what makes it great
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Dweezil | 118 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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Are you a fool?
China puts Arab Christians into prisons if they don't out right kill them. Arabs kill gays and Jews and Christians.
In the 20th century the Germans killed 6 million Jews. Stalin and Mao killed 100 million of their own people.
We can go back 3 thousand years and find "the worst countries in any paticular point in time".
Don't be naive. Slavery has existed since the creation of man. The white men did not invent it.
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worldscolide | 2.3K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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Considering slavery exists in Africa and the middle east still, i would say that is completely false.
I speak with a Polish and he is grateful to France for what she did for her, but what do you want us to do against Russia our army was unable to face the ussr
France and UK agree to protect Poland (that includ olso USSR), availeble for Romania as well. I olso talk whit some polish people here in UK (London), they hate germans and russians first and then they hate you guys for not helping them, give up to them and olso didn't save them from the comunist time and olso changing theyr border from 1918. Accepting Molotov-Ribentrop Pakt.
Wait, your Polish friends forgot to tell you that France has welcomed immigrants who come en masse from Poland, how do you expect that we can help Poland when we were already weak, we had to save France first. I am also astonished that you are so much in favor of the British, whereas the British completely made fun of your country and preferred to make agreements with Russia and the Ottoman Empire, and Napoleon 3 had to fight for a long time.
I don't suport UK, i'm here because i already know English and GBP are bether then EURO. No they didn't forgot to say about the people who run in France but they apreciate much more Hungary and Romania who open directly the borders in the time of the invasions, the Poland govarnement and king run throw Romania to get in London UK. So France have no direct implication here. Olso France surend right next to Paris, how far is that city from Belgium/Germany, you guys refuse to abandon Paris and move the capital more in soud west like Romania didn in WW1 to show our loiality for you guys (UK, France)., but you guys didn't do the same in WW2, UK run like some pu**y and France give up. Your general (sorry for the wrong name) Sar de Gol (olso president later) blame you guys for giving up.
France has given Poland enough, and even financially, Poland could never return the favor to France. And we have helped other countries, even Lebanon they call France the tender mother
Thous Africans and Asian countrys as soooo poor that they can't survive whidout france been the shuger daddy. France will never be able to overcome that moment of surender from 1939.
As long Russia give up to expansions, adopt a democrat regim, let Romania to unificate whit Rep. Moldova, give back national treasure that they confiscate in 1917. Yes. Russia now, is an expansionist country because of : Crimea, Abhasia, Osesia, Transnistria. Russia is a totalitar country, Putin is president for life, no more election in Russia and ther are not legal protest. Russia still holds a significant part of Romania's treasure in Moscow, gold, works of art, historical treasures, etc. Russia refuza sa isi retraga armata lor din tara sora si vecina a Romaniei, Republica Moldova. Din regiunea Transnistria. Acestea stationeaza ilegal pe teritoriul acelei tari. Thous are the moust important conditions to start be again friends whit Russia like before yare 1812.
Romania had recover from Turkey and Hungary ocupation from yares 1914, but we didn't recover from the comunist time and our problem from the WW2 still exist even today, we are the only country in East Europ who didn't succed to undo the Ribentrop-Molotov Pakt.
Russia will never agree to return anything to Romania. Personally, I think it is in France s interests to ally with Russia. What do I like in France? Its history, its culture, its landscapes, the fact that I live in a free country, the fact that I can also get treatment without paying huge sums of money and in addition, often reimbursing me for medical expenses. that we have 5 week off a year, and I'm probably still forgetting things
If France will ever alliey whit Russia will fall in Polish and Romania eyes even more. "What do you like about France?" I mean "you (the poeple who will answer)" not you personal.
Haha ok lol I didn't understand. If the esteem of Romanians and Poles for France is lost, is irrelevant because everyone has to defend their interests. The French will not be so sad about the loss of esteem of these two countries. Anyway, I don't think it will happen because for the moment our president only thinks about human rights. Which is ridiculous
I think ther will be international consequences if France allies with Russia in today Russia's political situation. I doubt that the USA will accept a collaboration of France from Russia, also the UK after the internal scandals with the Russian spies. Ukraine, Baltic States. Just be upset with the English and see what Gibraltar and Suez close to you. Major EU and American economic sanctions. I would not see you as a politician worthy of leading France to glory with such plans. But I would have a more reckless plan to force you to show yourself the real face in the world. I mean all EU and NATO members. ;)
Always dream because first of all economically without France the European Union would collapse of itself because Germany cannot bear the economic weight alone, secondly we could make alliances not only with Russia but also with China which is also allies from Russia. We could also play our relations in Africa you have we control their currency with the CFA franc so they would have every interest in being Gentile with France
USA will not be happy to let you guys get in the enemy side. :P :)
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They're terrible countries, but not the worst. I'd say Somalia is the worst, since people have NO human rights, whatsoever.
I hate England, France and the USA, but they're nowhere near the hell that Somalis go through. The people starve, while the leaders misappropriate funds to enrich themselves.
Because I can't think of any real difference between England and the British Empire and Rome and her empire.
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LOL, communists like them are simply jealous of everything that the Might of the West has achieved on this planet. I am surprised that they didn't add in Rome, Greece, Spain, Portugal and Germany
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Maybe except for a few small and weak to be honest almost every country has it's own bad history well the powerful countries having more bad history ofcourse.
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OddBeMe | 5.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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Maybe pre 20th century. But China, Russia and the Middle East are quickly surpassing,
Spain would still be among those 3 if not for Civil Wars, Franco and autonomy issues. They had too much internal strife to continue to external imperial conquest
@jonathanlama Follow your logic backwards though, where did these countries get the resources and labor to bring these things to fruition? It's no coincidence that the industrial and scientific revolution happen POST global European colonialism.
@TerminallChill I know this info that has been circulating since at least 2016, come on I want to be your teacher today, this so-called "colonial tax" and one of the rules of the operation of the CFA franc. This effectively provides that the two central banks that manage it, the BEAC (Bank of Central African States) and the BCEAO (Central Bank of West African States), deposit 50% (and not 85%) of their foreign exchange reserve with the French Treasury. Thus, these two central banks "had in 2005 more than 3,600 billion CFA francs from the French Treasury". Or a stock of around 72 billion euros, and absolutely not a flow of "500 billion dollars" brought to the French Treasury "every year"
Above all, this is not a tax paid by African countries to France, but a deposit. Thus, as economist Kako Nubukpo, former Togolese Minister of Foresight, who is also very critical of the CFA franc model, explained, "nothing prevents the countries concerned from using it to support their growth". Thanks to me you will not pass for 🤡, 😘😘
TerminallyChill Hey my baby clown, there is no colonial tax, it is a deposit which is due to the operation of the CFA franc and it can be used by African countries for their development, We do not steal the wealth of Africa we pay them and in addition without France or other countries, Africans would be unable to extract these resources
@TerminallyChill TerminallyChill Hey my baby clown, there is no colonial tax, it is a deposit which is due to the operation of the CFA franc and it can be used by African countries for their development, We do not steal the wealth of Africa we pay them and in addition without France or other countries, Africans would be unable to extract these resources
@TerminallyChill France has in no way "plundered" the raw materials of its colonies. Quite the contrary. This is the surprising finding that allows us to draw up the terms of trade between France and its colonies. Again in the case of Algeria, after improving during the crisis of the 1930s, Algeria's terms of trade in goods went from index 100 in 1949 to index 124 in 1960. Proof the deterioration of the terms of trade for France: from 1948 to 1954, if the tonnages imported into Algeria from France increased by 135%, Algeria's exports to the metropolis increased by only 32 , 5%. In fact, in many cases, France bought colonial raw materials above world prices. Admittedly, these premiums, which amounted to 25% for Algerian wine, had the utility of allowing traditional industries (such as the cotton industry or that of soaps or Marseille candles) to easily sell mediocre products on protected markets. But these facilities thereby contributed to making these sectors less suited to international competition, and to weakening the overall competitiveness of the French economy.
So many observations which led the best informed minds and the driest accountants to wish for the premature severing of the links which united France to its colonies. As early as the 1930s, some businessmen were already asking themselves the question. Sent on a mission to black Africa by the Colonial Minister Paul Reynaud, in December 1931, a young financial inspector, Edmond Giscard d'Estaing, father of the former President of the Republic, wrote on his return that he was worth better, "for the very future of the country, to do nothing rather than swallow up funds destined to go to waste, if they [were] poured into an economy which was [not] made to be used in the right place and productively ". This was to take up the argument of liberal economists who, half a century earlier, had opposed the conquests.
"It is a question of knowing what these new outlets are worth and what they cost us," wrote Gustave de Molinari in 1898. "What would one say of an industrialist or a merchant who would spend 100,000 francs in costs each year? of traveling salesmen, circulars and advertisements to place 100,000 francs worth of goods? It seems that he is not in good health and his family would be advised to have him banned, or at least to force him to give up trading. "
This was indeed the case for France. We can even say that the French Empire, considered above all as a market intended to protect French industry from competition, slowed down its modernization and ultimately did more harm than good to the metropolitan economy as a whole. .
@TerminallyChill: Earth, not the alternate universe you live in. Why was Al Sharpton the most-frequent visitor to the White House when Obama was President? Anti-Semitism is more than OK with the far left.
Obama and Al Sharpton are far left? LMFAO. Now you've really went and jumped the shark. Yeah the guy who made Bush's tax cuts permanent, passed a republican healthcare plan, bragged about being a warhawk, supported cops, shit on Unions, allowed peaceful protestors to get their arms blown off by militarized police at the behest of corporations is far left. Again, you live in a fantasy word bro. I just engage with you because it's fun to troll you but come bro.
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Pretty sure Spain historically was more criminal
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Hey as long as we don't repeat history all is good
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Master
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No...
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Anonymous
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no just the US
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Anonymous
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Yeah pretty much
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Anonymous10 dI guess they missed the countries that are overran by cartels and rebels to the point where there are no laws or justice and current mass genocides. But hey, I guess slavery exists so much that a black president was voted in the states for 8 years and a half black vice president, and many many poc influencers and celebs are successful. Or that many countries still send their kids here for education. Our country has a lot of issues, and I mean a crap ton. But there is opportunity that exists. In many countries, its tougher to come out of your social class. Its really bs to say its the worst. Its just another radical lefty hating on something. If they get tripped by a rock they'd probably say the rock was racist.0|00|0Is this still revelant?
Anonymous10 dOh, for sure. Can only speak for my own nation, America but: We dropped nuclear bombs on cities full of civilians during world war 2, rounded our own citizens up into internment camps without due process at the same time, constantly invade other countries without provocation to steal their shit, do things like MK Ultra. Like we have a pretty impressive track record for doing evil shit. I mean, everyone does evil shit, but America is #1 at doing evil shit. We always take it to the extreme. Absolutely nightmarish things, sometimes.
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