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Do Trump supporters have a reason to be hesitant or concerned with expressing their views in earshot of strangers?
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- Yes. Most of us remember that back in school expressing a conservative opinion could land you in the councilors office, or result in teachers grading you hard, not to mention bullying from other students. All the authority figures in pretty much all schools are on the Left, often radically so.
Most actors and cultural icons are on the left, even Trump for most of his life, ironically. Unless you are in a setting where you can be confident that everyone thinks like you do, then expressing conservative views can be dangerous.
This is true on the other side as well. Any time you express ideas that run counter to what the majority around you think, you are putting yourself in danger. When people with leftist views wander into conservative spaces they will be looked at as diseased, dangerous, and insane, just as conservatives wandering into leftist spaces will be seen as deplorable, backwards, and stupid, if not completely evil.
That's the real danger. Both sides see the other not simply as mistaken, but as evil. How does anyone overcome that?1|10|0Is this still revelant?
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- Yes.
Yes they should.
They should go back to being the hateful misogynistic white supremacists that they always were, but in secret like they always had to be before Trump because civilized people didn't want such ilk and hateful ideologies which have no place in the modern world.
Children need to be spanked every now and then.
And if they're seditionist adults, they should be put up against the wall and shot just like the 1989 Christmas present Nicolae Ceaușescu got.https://www.youtube.com/embed/6_wdcivuMbI0|00|0Is this still revelant?LOTS including my sister who is married to a Three Percenter / Ohio Proud Boy. They just blocked me on social media.
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Many women are actually misogynistic - look at the women here against feminism or who dream of being "traditional" or "house" wives.
Anyway, I answered this question.
Bottomline: You reap what you fucking sow and the Trumpsters are going reaping the shit now that they sowed for years.The women "against feminism" aren't against equality, they're against the current iteration of (alleged) "feminism" (which arguably isn't feminism at all). But the fact that you're equating women who prefer traditional relationships or wanting to be a house wife to being misogynistic, it really goes to show how unreasonable you and your stance is.
@crmoore I thought the whole point of feminism was to allow women to choose whatever they wanted without a man’s permission. The fact that feminists will call for cancellation of women who prefer to be traditional is hypocritical beyond me.
@Annaleigh12 I entirely agree. It really goes to show how un-feminist these "feminists" are.
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- If they don't want their house burned down and their family killed, they better just march in lockstep with the new regime.3|61|1Is this still revelant?
Wow, what is this, the Xiden dictatorship? There have been some Democrats suggesting putting Trump supporters into re-education camps and taking their children away from them. The evil is scary.
The Democratic elites have made it very clear what they want to do. If they don’t even hide it, they’re telling us not only that it’ll happen but also that they don’t think anyone will do anything about it, no matter how illegal.
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- Yes. Being bigoted in public can sometimes have consequences.3|21|6Is this still revelant?
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@crmoorenTherebhave been actually studies that show less intelligent people don’t get sarcasm. This is true. Given that, I think your comment will go over her head.
@Jersey2 well it’s a good thing I get sarcasm. His comment didn’t go over my head at all. However I doubt he has any real non-white friends in the first place.
@WindAtMyBack He asked about Trump supporters. Not all conservatives are trump supporters. Trump is a bigot, and so supporting him means supporting bigotry which makes them bigots.
Oh now that tall tried a coup we need to suck your dick and beg for unity? Fuck you, you don't want unity anyways so stop fucking whining.
@Jack9949 I wouldn’t. But that’s not because I hate white people, it’s just that interracial relationships, especially white and black, bring a lot of challenges and cultural obstacles. Black and white Americans live in two completely different worlds and I’d prefer to date someone I don’t have to constantly educate and explain myself to. I want to be with someone who understands me and my culture and my lifestyle.
Well either way you think less of people that don’t support BLM and your progressive causes. And that’s pretty racist because most white people are conservative
He said he doesn't support BLM, as in the movement, he didn't say he disagrees with the notion that black lives matter. I could support the notions that squirrel lives matter, but that doesn't justify a movement saying that we need to do something about squirrel lives. In the last two decades, police kill people WELL below 1% of the time. The second highest police-civillian year for killing had police killings people at 0.0002% of the time. The highest year was only a third more than that so it would be roughly 0.0003% of the time. Not to mention, this is EVERYONE, not just black people, and not to mention, it doesn't include whether those killings were justified (like when people shoot at cops or run at them with knives). So tell me again why the BLM movement is needed?
I'm not a Trump supporter. I hate Trump as president. Being a Trump supporter doesn't make you a bigot.
Black people get killed at disproportionately high rates compared to other races in the U. S. Black people don’t even need to commit a crime to murdered by police. They don’t even have to do anything threatening to be killed by police. Black people have been murdered by police for everything from sleeping in their own homes, holding hair brushes, holding toys, driving their own cars, being in their own apartments, holding subway sandwiches, wearing hoodies, and generally being public while black. The police force is full of racism and corruption. Sure, people getting murdered by police is rare, but when police take away innocent black lives there are rarely any consequences. For us to sit idly by and just let the people we pay to serve and protect us would be, for lack of a better word, fucked up. But on top of all that BLM is calling out the police force for all sorts of corruption that harm everyone including non-black people. There was a study that examined the police forces in 20 major cities. Every single one had numerous human rights violations. Our system of policing is problematic. It fosters a gang mentality and enables the abuse of power.
@Hogwheels supporting a bigot means they support bigotry and therefore they are bigots.
Actually, studies show in the last decade, a cop is more likely to be hoatile to an unarmed white man than to an unarmed black man. The problem is, crime follows poverty and domestic black communities are atuck in a cycle of poverty, I believe, in large part to entitlement programs which are propogated by democrats. African American immigrant communities is one of the most successful communities in the nation. I believe this shows that the problem isn't with the color of their skin, but a culture encouraged by the system of legislation proposed by democrats. I vote right wing because I love the black community and want better for it. I'm not asking you to agree with me. I'm asking you to understand me. Your allowed to think my opinion ignorant if you disagree with my views, but do you really think I'm biggotted for wanting what's right for the black community?
@Hogwheels it’s more common for police to have more hostile encounters with white people because there are more white people. But black people are still KILLED at higher RATES. Crime and poverty are high in black communities because of centuries of oppression and racism. Statistically speaking we don’t have generational wealth. Our ancestors were forced against there will to come here, and then worked as slaves. They were denied access to education for many years. Uneducated parents raised uneducated children. And even when some were lucky to get an education and were able to start prosperous business they were in danger of being lynched and having their businesses and homes burned down. Entire black communities were literally burned to the fucking ground. Schools were desegregated in the 50s, but even then black students were harassed and mistreated and were hindered from gaining access to education thanks to high tuition costs and standardized testing. Poverty and crime are directly linked to education.
No, those figures I stated take into account per capita. Black people more often get into hostile altercations with police when they carrying per capita. Whie people more often get into hostile encounters with police when they're not carrying per capita. I really hope I'm not misquoting the study, but I do know systemic racism exists. I know that laws concerning drugs such as cocaine have been manipulated to be easier on white people.
White flight has as recently as the 80s significantly forced blacks to remain in poor neighborhoods. All of these things have enforced the problem of systemic racism. I believe right wing policies are better suited to ending systemic racism than left leaning policies.
I think voucher schools which has been a popular philosophy of education among the left for a while now, would improve school systems for minorities as well.
Sorry, voucher schools has been a popular philosophy of education among the right, not the left.
So I'll ask you again, not to agree with my views but to empathize with me. Do you think I'm a biggot even though I vote right because I think its best for the black community?
@Hogwheels I never said you were a bigot or that all conservatives are bigots. Not all conservatives are trump supporters. I don’t agree that conservative policies are the best way to solve systematic racism. For example, most researchers are still on the fence about voucher schools. Recent studies show that they don’t actually increase students scores and in some cases dramatically lowered them. Additionally, voucher schools divert funding away from public schools. On top of that voucher schools aren’t required to offer the same resources for special needs students like public schools are. And some private schools have racially discriminatory codes of conduct.
I never said you called me a bigot. I was just asking for clarification. It seemed like you might've thought right leaning views were bigotted. Thank you for classifying.
Those studies you're referring to are using standardized testing as their criteria for success. Standardized testing is one of the problems with our current schooling system. Teachers are more concerned with students learning how to answer specific questions to get better scores than they are with teaching children how to think independently.Voucher schools wouldn't divert funding from public schools, they'd be the only schools, period. No more public schools. Parents can decide which school their child goes to and what education they'll receive. This will give minority parents in poor neighborhood the freedom to choose their child's school so they can be more successful. It will create educational competition between schools to have the best education to attract more parents.
This will likely not benefit children who's parents are not proactive as much as those who's b parents are, but parenting is the most important aspect of ending generational poverty there is. We need to incentivize good parenting. Giving the parent choices will incentivize good parenting. Currently, public schools essentially promise to raise their child for them. You have no options for which school you send them to do you get rid of them for half the day and let the school teach them. But with voucher schools, parents are more involved. It incentivized involvement.
How is supporting Trump bigotry?
Since Biden has a history of racism, should everyone who support him be racist?
Obama deported the most immigrants in American history, is everyone who follow him a xenophobe? You see?@Annaleigh12 yeah and Obama's bullshit is what lead to the left being fractured, now we have people like me who are Bernie Bros, self proclaimed socialists because Obama promised change and then he ruled like a republican. Even his obamacare was actually stolen from a republican think tank called the heritage foundation, they proposed it in the 1978. The moderate dems love Obama and Hillary but the real liberals realize that the moderate dems are really just moderate republicans in disguise, even they view us as communists. So yeah, I'd say anyone who still supports Obama is most likely xenophobe, as well as many other things, otherwise they would have to be very ignorant on what he has done... which, given the state of the media, is actually quite likely to be the case.
Tbh anyone who supported Biden in the primaries was either racist or ignorant. In the national election it's a little different because you're typically not voting for the person you want, you're voting against the candidate you hate the most. Two party politics led to this, if we allowed third parties to actually have a platform in national politics then Biden's support would have dropped heavily. Though with that said, Trump's support would have dropped drastically too.
Supporting Trump is either bigotry or ignorance because Trump's actions arr bigoted, so either you support/accept his actions, or else you're ignorant about what he's done. It's like if I said that supporting Bernie Sander's makes you pro-choice, Bernie is pro-choice and therefore his supporters probably like that he is pro-choice, they don't care either way, or else they are ignorant about what Bernie thinks. Supporting a candidate means supporting their views, unless you're ignorant in which case you should educate yourself.
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521- It depends on the place. In southern Illinois, Trump supporters could talk about their views pretty openly because most people in the area are also Trump supporters. However, in Seattle, based on the way I have heard people talk about Trump and his supporters when they didn't think any were around to hear it... yeah, I would keep your views to yourself if I were you. At best, you would lose friends, professional opportunities, and be shunned by everyone who knew. At worst, if you were dealing with someone with violent tendencies, that might be enough to provoke them.0|00|0
- Well considering that antifa and BLM violently beat them and have even executed a few of them in the streets to the praise of Kamala Harris and Biden (as well as Pelosi and multiple other democrat politicians), yes. Statitsically the only group that is comfortable expressing their views is the far left which should go to show you how evil they are if every one else is afraid to speak up its because the far left is the one in charge, they are the ones who will punish you for speaking out against them (which is why its so important for people to do so).0|10|0
- No, they don't. However...
Perhaps all people should realize, trumpers and non, that nobody wants to actually "HEAR" your politically discussion in public, or any other discussion!! Don't be like the fuckers who have phone conversations so loud that every single person on the bus, or in the room, or on line, can hear it !!
I don't care if it's politics, or a business call, or your significant other, or anything else. I don't want to hear your fucking phone call OR your conversation!!0|00|0 
Anonymous1 moYes, and this is good. Very good. I say this as a nationalist.
Each time the left or right escalates, so does the other side, in different ways. The right are weak right now, too soft, too comfortable. The left are stupid and don’t know when to soften up their arguments, all they know is to double-down and become more authoritarian.
It’s when they start to try to destroy the right completely that the right hardens up and nationalism rises, because it’s either that or surrender, and even with surrender they’ll still be persecuted. Already many of the left are talking about how they won’t forgive Trump supporters and will come for them. They have no other choice but to harden up or be destroyed.0|00|0- Yes!!! I don't love everything Trump did and said but even saying he helped the economy gets a lot of hate!! Being a republican does not mean you love every single thing your party does or says!2|10|0
- I don't think it's just Trump supporters. It includes anyone who voted for him or anyone not far left on the spectrum. You pretty much have a target on your back if so.
You disagree, you are an enemy to them.0|40|0 - Not at all. I love when they speak. It's usually at 3x the volume of everyone else and lets me know I'm near an authoritarian drone.0|00|0
What is authoritarian about Trump supporters? Isn't it the left who's deplatforming, calling for censored speech, and asking for more governmental intervention?
I can't tell if you're telling me "Trump supporters gaslight and project" or "by saying what you just said, you're gasligting and projecting." If it's the first one, you're merely making a claim without any support or evidence (of which I've already asked from you). If it's the second one, you're avoiding the fact that I asked you to substantiate your claim.
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I just don't care to have the same argument over and over online, it's pointless. I simply stated that trump supporters, or more the "authoritarian right" have been lying, cheating, and bullying for years, yet all they do is point at democrats and accuse them of it. I'm sick of the discussions, sick of the constant accusations, and will not debate it longer. I say my piece and you can agree or disagree but don't expect me to continue to argue with a brick wall, which is exactly the same as arguing with right wingers anymore. You guys are toxic and relentless in your hypocrisy. I will stick with progressives tyvm.
Aww pooor baby, can't gaslight anyone today? Go borrow a tampon from one of your sisters.
Have I mentioned politics since saying that? No, I'm replying with the same nonsense you are replying with. Garbage in garbage out. Bye.
Anonymous1 moNo. They aren’t oppressed. Being a bigoted asshole isn’t an oppressed group. They need to stop trying to victimize themselves and maybe rethink their way of life.0|40|0I'm not even a Trump supporter. I hate Trump and if I thought a single thing he did was good, every one back home in California would call me a biggoted asshole. I think it depends on your location.
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You have every right to believe what you want. I wish you well on your future endeavors.
To be fair, your opinion is "that's fucking stupid." Rather than "I'm not sure that's the case" or "I'm not sure I agree.
He did explicitly say he hates Trump, though. And even so, by your logic, couldn't I say "black people treat me poorly, so I can treat other black people poorly?" I'd imagine you'd consider that highly condemnable.
- In Commiefornia (my home state) absolutely. In Texas (where I live now), not at all.0|10|0
- Anonymous1 moIt depends on how they do it and what their views are.
If their views are racist or bigoted then no they don't get a free pass to say what they want.0|00|0- Show All Show Less
The antifa guys mixed in with apparent trump supporters?
Don't really care, doesn't really surprise me anymore to be honest
- Sure. If I heard someone say something pro-Trump, I’d definitely call the police.0|10|1
- Considering the left is full on with cancel culture they likely are. Now they want the pillow guy banned? WTF?1|30|0
- I don't think so. Everyone I know will tell you in a heartbeat what they think or feel about a situation.
Only the weak hide.0|01|0 - maybe they-on some level-realize that what they say and think aren't based in reality.0|00|0
Or maybe they don't. Maybe it's the left who forgoes reality to regard half of voters as racists.
half of my family are trump supporters-i've seen the radicalization and hatred and racism grow from them more and more-as have most people.
Point and case. Joe Biden says Trump hasn't once condemned racism (despite having done so at least 18 times), a congress woman just the other day regarded Trump as a white supremacist president (without a modicum of evidence), and Don Lemon regarding all Trump supporters as "on the side of the KKK." You, and a large percentage of the let's view on the alleged racism you see on the right is nothing but delusion.
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And his remarks of Mexicans? The fact the the kkk support him, the fact that he refused to condemn the proud boys? What about those things?
Which remark about Mexicans? Can you quote and source it?
And someone supporting someone doesn't make them similar. I'm sure plenty of gang members support Biden, that doesn't make Biden similar to a gang member. Unless Trump expressing racist views or implements racist policies, what does the KKK supporting him mean? And speaking of which, Richard Spencer, the most well-known white nationalist, came out and openly endorsed not only Biden, but the democratic party as a whole, regarding them as "clearly the more competent party." (Link: www.jewishpress.com/.../ ). So does that make Biden similar to neo-nazis? I mean considering Joe's history, even recent history, with racist remarks, I suppose that wouldn't be too far off, right.
And what's condemnable about the Proud Boys? Prior to Antifa's shinnanigans they were just a drinking club. They've gotten into fights with Antifa, yeah, but that's what Antifa does. When people attack you, you react.he called them rapists, drug dealers. thugs and job stealers. he locked up kids as a deterrent to keep the others out. a rational person would wonder why like the kkk would support trump-or, ow-why the feel at home in the republican party as a whole, for that matter-you've of the situation with Loeffler/ that pure propaganda. the FBI has found no evidence of ANIFIA criminality... have found right-wping provocatores, though. this is who the proud boys are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAGogoLYGz0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfzLPfFcZB8&t=4s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ7ZPmpTDz4
No, he didn't say "all Mexicans are rapists" he was referring to the people illegally crossing the border (of which he said some are good people, so clearly he isn't even saying all illegal immigrants are rapists). And the women who are illegally crossing the border are literally telling us precisely that. They get raped by these men when they're crossing the border. Even the minors are being raped coming across the border. But the liberals want to believe its all peaches and cream so bad that they're willing to disregard women and girls being raped.
And yeah, there is a very serious drug trafficking problem, are you seriously trying to tell me that people aren't smuggling drugs across the border? I mean these people are so determined to get drugs across the border they even build cannons to shoot cans containing Marijuana over the border. (Link: abcnews.go.com/.../story?id=17943989 )
And yes, crime rates and how they pertain to illegal immigrants is highly debatable. This article mentions the perspectives of both sides: www.westernjournal.com/.../
(Response continued in the following comment to overcome the character limit)And yes, illegal immigrants do take the jobs of (typically) our legal immigrants, because illegal immigrants are undocumented and thus you can pay them cheap under the table, while a legal citizen must be paid minimum wage, or otherwise they could take it to court, while an illegal immigrant can't go to court because then it would be made aware that they're undocumented.
Also, those cages were made under Obama (https://www. snopes. com/fact-check/obama-build-cages-immigrants/ ) but it's only bad because Trump continued the processes that Obama created. But you guys didn't have anything to say about it back then. Got it. 🙄 Not to mention, many of those "kids" being separated from their "parents" turned out to not be related in any way. Apparently some parents in Mexico want a better life for their children and hand them over to the coyotes who promise that they'll get their children to America. (Link: www.nationalreview.com/.../ )And go ahead and tell me, rationale person, how merited it is for the KKK to support Donald Trump. Because it's not possible that racists are irrational, no, if they support someone then it must have a solid foundation. So please explain to me how someone who regards racist hate groups as "criminals and thugs" (of which he called out by name, "the KKK, neo-nazis, white supremacists") and continued to then say they're "repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans." Another time Trump states that "neo-nazis and white supremacists should be condemned totally." Trump has even legislated annual funds for black colleges (link: www.politico.com/.../trump-black-americans-policies-433744 ), and that's just one example as to how he's helped the black community. You can look into Trump's opportunity zones as another example. Yet despite all of this, you think the KKK supporting Trump has merit? As if racists are reasonable, rational people? Care to explore that one?
(Response continued in the following comment to overcome the character limit)And your remark about the FBI denying the existence of Antifa is wrong. Here, the FBI director states that "Antifa is more of an idea, than an organization" (link: www.usnews.com/.../fbi-director-says-antifa-is-an-ideology-not-an-organization ). So to be entirely literal, he said it is an organization to some extent, since it is "less of an organization than it is an idea," meaning it is still an organization to an extent. But this is a very clear attempt at dodging. You could argue that "white supremacy is more of an idea than an organization." Not to mention, it's particularly silly to say that a group can't be founded on an idea. That's kind of the essence of groups. But regardless, there have been people who explicitly regard themselves as Antifa, and even the Portland Mayor, who has had the most problems with Antifa, recently came out and regarded these people as "violent antifa anarchists." (Link: www-oregonlive-com.cdn.ampproject.org/.../portland-mayor-promises-to-hold-people-responsible-after-2-days-of-vandalism-violence.html ).
(Response continued in the following comment to overcome the character limit)As for "this is who the proud boys are" thing, this video alleges "one of the leaders of the proud boys" but oddly enough, didn't source the ACTUAL leader of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, an afro-cuban (black man), the official Proud Boys Chairman, who openly states that white supremacists should be designated as domestic terrorists. (Timestamp 5:27, link: https://youtu.be/o_87True1ac )
hopefully, in the next couple years now that trump is no longer president and no longer has twitter and facebook-his cult will accept reality again.
Does someone who accepts reality avoid addressing peoples refutation?
Perhaps I could get you to address the reality time presented you.I'm sure I could refute all or most of your claims-but I and many others have tried for the last 5 years.
Well I'm sure you can't. So either you do it, as you say you can, or you lose the debate.
So your refutation is a link that I presume is intended to refute only one of the several topics/points I mentioned?
And can you quote your source, as I've been doing? Let's not waste time.that was my just testing the waters to avoid just that. the fact that you cite a guy as not racist who was arrested Monday in the US capital for his participation in the burning of a "Black Lives Matter" banner that was taken from a historic black church in DC during a demonstration last month would suggest i made the right move and my earlier reluctance was fully justified. and by the way-i know you didn't watch the whole thing... if you had-you would know that Tarrio was not only mentioned-but another leader-Chapmen wanted to purge people like Tarrio because he wanted the group to be seen for what they are by all.
And the fact that you're saying a black man is racist towards black people and/or a white supremacists because he burns a BLM flag is just absolutely ridiculous.
- Yes, they do. Nobody has any respect for these people.0|12|2
i've certainly lost a lot of respect for my family in these last for years-i've heard things from people i thought i'd NEVER hear.
- Anonymous1 moThey should be careful so when the re-education camps start they are not reported by their friends and neighbors.0|00|0
- depends
if you live in a small-town probably not
if you live in la or nyc probably0|10|0 - Anonymous1 moconsidering the fact that 100% more Trump supporters have been murdered for their political beliefs than those who oppose Trump, I'd have to say yes.0|10|1
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- Why are libtards so fucking dumb?0|11|1
@Massageman Probably about right. But I’m not 26 yet and I’ve made some great progress! 😊
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@Browneye57 I was never a liberal at any point in my life, so that’s pretty good on its own
@Jack9949 Me neither. I don't come from the 'entitled special little snowflake' generation. When I grew up, if you wanted something, wanted to make it big, you did what it took to attain it. You put in the effort, did the work, made it happen. If you didn't you starved.
No, the entire liberal mindset is that government will take care of you. That way everybody can be poor together. Like Russia! :)@Browneye57 I just wish I could’ve grown up in America before our society turned to hell.
- Anonymous1 moOnly as much as Isis or Al Qaeda supporters.0|00|1
- Anonymous1 moYes, That is how bad it is now0|10|0
- Anonymous1 moNo one has a right to be that stupid.0|10|1
- Anonymous1 moYes.0|20|0
- Anonymous1 moYes they are hated for a reason.0|12|5
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Based on your previous comments it would almost seem like you're a pedo sympathiser then
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@Nachowedgie Donald Trump stated in a tweet that pedophiles should be executed. That tweet is a big reason for Qanon. A lot of social media influences tweet about pedophiles and Donald Trump Jr. keep retweeting the lies. It’s all social media bullshit used to distract the public so they can sit around.
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