Yep they will also jump around what there talking about when it comes to taxation. Like they will say Jeff bezos pays no taxes because Amazon spends all their money reinvestments was a corporation doesn't have tax liability. They just don't understand the tax code and get very confused.
They also don't understand capital gains. They don't understand realized gains vs unrealized gains. I checked a while back and almost all of Bezos net worth is in Amazon stock. Unlike Gates who had his investments spread out more. Bezos has a tremendous unrealized gain. He's going to get hit hard if he ever sells.
Exactly It's funny how often they will say bezos is making millions of dollars an hour and he won't even pay you $15 he is one of the lowest paid ceos when he was actually working as it he was just getting paid $80000 a year
Your 1st part taxation is not the solution 2nd part taxation. The fact is the problem is the government you kind of understand that but then you go off on how you want more government power.
I want less government power and less regulation over the working class and small businesses. I want more regulation on big corporations that are too big to fail and corporate lobbyist.
Tell you want less government but you think too big to fail means more government fixes that you realise too big to fail only works because of government. No need for corporate lobbies there was no government to lobby. Basically are saying I want to fix the problem caused by government interference in the market by giving the government more power to
The problem isn't government, the problem is irresponsible government. We need government with limited powers. Right now, they have too much power because they get lobbied and have no term limits in Congress. Government is needed to protect people's liberties and right now they are not doing their job when they let corporate democrats rule the working class.
So now your saying let's take power away from the government when before your saying let's give them more power. There's actually no need for government outside of protecting you from other governments. Government will always hold you downGive special treatment to their friends and family who had they have connections to the best solution is no government
Alright so you're saying, you'd rather have no government to enforce your constitutional rights? And what about national defense? Do you think you can protect yourself when the Chinese Communist Army invades your home? I get that government does a lot of bad things, but they have duties to protect everyone's God given liberties, and we won't have that so long as the corporatists are allowed to lobby for special interests.
Where has the government been to enforce those rights for the past year where people were forced to be shut down not allowed out of their homes? Did you stop reading after a few words or something? I said there's no need for government outside of protecting you from other governments that's the only real use of government.
I absolutely agree that the government has gone haywire. The shutdowns were an insane abuse and hypocritical use of power by the governors. What you sound like you are advocating for is anarchism. The government right now is an example of bad government that protects the special interests groups that I mentioned before. The democrats will do everything they can to tell you that they care about workers and minorities, but spit on their faces as they take lobbyists' money and kill small businesses and allow the market share to be eaten up by big corporations. This is the problem, the government did the opposite of its sworn duty to protect personal liberties.
It's always been this way there's not a time when government has not been this way it is the primary function of government to hold you down to maintain the status quo for the people who have connections to the government.You need to realise governments not there to protect you it's there to protect itself and its friends who are part of the government.
Yeah, I get it man and it will probably always be that way. I am just telling you my opinion on how it should be fixed.
But your solution to fix it is literally give more power to the problem. You need to come to understand government is not the answer it's the problem
So we do nothing then? And allow the problem to persist.
You get rid of government problem solved. But this needs to happen on a global scale because another government will just come and kill you inslave you. This is why originally the founding fathers wanted the government Basically do nothing other than defence.
Yeah I would agree that if you removed government from the free market, things would generally improve. However, that is not a feasible thing to do. People with power are not so willing to limit themselves. But even still there needs to be some regulations to protect people from oligopoly power like big tech and the media. Getting rid of just the government wouldn't be enough in that scenario. You would need to regulate their corporatist allies too.
Yes it's not possible because people worship government as mommy and daddy or there God. Actually those big Tech companies and media cannot get so powerful without government backing them up. There's no need to regulate they cannot get to the power that they have now without government.Regulations are actually what allows them to get that powerful. There really is no need for government it's a system designed to hold you down
Yeah I agree. Government regulation does help big corporations, only because they are designed that way. They apply the regulations to everyone. I think it should only be for the big corporations. Make the big corporations pay more taxes than the smaller businesses. Lower the tax rate for personal income tax rates. Benefit the people, not the hedges.
Then they just make their one big company into a 1000 small companies. Basically are just trying to hurt people who you think have more than you instead of just making everything fair. Just get government out of it have also so programs cancelled all other government programs cancelled other than defence taxesWill be very low next to nothing remember America have an income tax until they made a federal reserve what is unconstitutional Will be very low next to nothing remember America have an income tax until they made a federal reserve what is unconstitutionalJust so the government can give out free stuff. If you want to benefit the people you want to get rid of government
That's a bit extreme man. We need certain regulations. We need a progressive corporate tax with brackets. If personal income and capital gains are progressively taxed, corporations should also be. The government should stop handing out corporate welfare and cut the red tape bureaucracy to allow more small businesses to open up without having to consult a million lawyers. They need to stop the quantitative easing bullshit and limit the money supply similarly to when we had a gold standard. The aforementioned regulations I just asserted, I can agree with.
We don't need really any taxation Based off just income basically just property tax and maybe it's small sales tax. Like I said before America started a federal reserve what is unconstitutional by the way to just print money to pay for social programs to buy votes there was no income tax this was for over a 100 years. Basically an income tax is just pushed by people who want to hurt someone who has more than them out of envy. Think about it we've been trying your ideas longer than you've been alive in everything just gotten worse and you keep on thinking let's keep doing this
I literally am advocating more for your side man as opposed to the socialist side to which I assume you are against. The fed is irresponsible and I wouldn't mind seeing personal income taxes lessened for individuals. We need to collect taxes for national defense at the very least so we should get the bulk majority of the money from larger corporations who have the capital to raise it. The fed should scale down its involvement and let the natural boom and bust cycle occur. Recessions may be longer but far less damaging in the long run as opposed to if the fed intervened with money injections.
Again there's plenty of money for defensive you just cut the social programs that most of the money is spent on.
Removing medicare, medicaid, and social security would screw people already invested in them. I dislike social security, but to remove it outright would destroy many people's lives. The goal here should be remove government bloat in all sectors but to keep certain regulations to protect people's liberties.
Social security ruin people's life and your saying let's continue in ruining more people's lives because some people lives were already ruined. You need to in these programs immediately you could even see their bad you just don't want to end them because some people have suffered so everyone should suffer sounds like
I am saying it is bullheaded to radically change any system. People will get hurt. I would like a solution that hurts the fewest working class people. We don't need a completely laizze faire or communist approach. We need a balanced approach. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
Don't matter what you do you can say people get hurt that's not a reason not to act. We've been trying your balance approach longer than you've been alive and everything has gotten worse why do you think it will work now?
We are not in a balanced approach right now. That is why it is getting worse. We are federally governed by special interest corporatists led by Joe Biden who sets fake regulations to benefit his special interest lobbyists. I like what the last administration was doing, it was more inline with what I would advocate for. And under that last administration things were getting better. Better trade deals, peace agreements, reduction in red tape, and energy independence. And our former president did it with a balanced limited government. Change can happen for the better when you have a good leader.
This is the balance approach your talking about you need to remove government to have anything else. It's funny like I said your ideas have been tried over and over again for decades at a time to massive failure in all the problems we have now and you just keep saying let's keep trying this
Ok man sure. You just need someone to attack. I get it. By all means let me be the punching bag.
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What legalised theft Outside of taxes
Monopolies, price gouging, declining pay, interest rates skyrocketing.. Oh and how they push congress to pass laws to further deregulate everything so they can make more profits. All of this on the poor and middle classes backs - because none of them pay any relative taxes.
You just named a lot of stuff wrong with government
If you think corporations, and the wealthy who own them are not the ones running our government, then you haven't been paying attention. Either that, or you've been so focused on the trees (propaganda) that you fail to see the forest (is on fire)
Sorry you don't understand how the world works
Just like a liberal it's only hurting people I'm envious of so it's OK
Just like a conservative to sacrifice themselves for someone else’s money.
No one is sacrificing anything this is the problem with liberals they literally believe if someone has something they stole it from them. You have no understanding economics your a joke.Go ahead and cry about how you think the government should steal from others to give it to you because your failure
The problem with conservatives: they think taxes are stealing.
They are stealing tell me what happens if I don't pay my income tax? Do you honestly believe men with guns will not show up at my home to take me away in kill anyone who tried to stop them and put me in a cage to make me example of? It's 100% stealings.
Taxes are you paying for the shit around you. Like cops and roads. The wealth tax affects those who are inheriting millions. Why shouldn’t they pay taxes?
Do you notice how I am talking about income tax and your talking about stuff paid by property and sales tax and then wanting a wealth tax as well when all that stuff is already paid for through property and sales tax. They already pay taxes on the money multiple times every time it moves it gets taxed Almost.
Again, why shouldn’t wealthy people pay progressively more tax?
Because there's no reason outside of your envy. You don't even understand the tax system you jump around from different taxes to try to make The point about a different tax. That this America is very highly overtaxed and poor failures like you keep crying tax more I'm envious
I’m not envious. I appreciative. But what’s the alternative? Tax the poor?
No reason to tax the poor as well let people keep what they earned. It's a 100% envy you know it
So what are you calling for, anarchy? Govts need money to make our civilization livable. You like your trash being picked up each week I’m guessing.
Again getting taxes mixed up you don't need an income tax all that is paid for property tax that is opt in when you buy a place versus pay this income tax on everything you earn or were going to send men with guns to take you away.Government is really not needed either it actually just there to hold you down.
So you disagree with one type of tax, I disagree with another... whatever shall we do.
Again your not even understanding the difference income tax you literally are forced to pay it no choice or you get killed basically.Property tax though it's an opt in. You don't want to live in a place with high property tax to pay for the failure to get free stuff don't live there. This gives everyone a choice the problem with this is no one will ever choose to pay for social programs who actually pay the bills so poor people and politicians cry about this because poor people can't get free stuff and politicians can't buy votes.You just want to steal from everyone at gunpoint
Again... who owns 80% of the wealth in this country? The top.01%. They don’t pay income tax because they don’t get income. They pay flat 15% capital gains. Their company owns the house, cars etc which is tax deductible. You don’t understand the rich people you’re fighting for.
Wow you just showed how stupid you are and how it's all pure envy. 1st of all who cares if they have more money outside of your envy.2nd involve the capital gains long term is not 15% flat its top is 20%. It's very clear you don't understand the tax code are just envious of everyone with more than you.
(Sigh) it’s not envy... I’m saying we should tax where they money is. Why do you think our public debt is so high? We’re relying on the lower 20% to pay for the country.
Because of massive overspending by the government for social programs to buy votes that's the reason why there's so much public debt even if you take all the money all these rich people have with no slippage for accounting For most of it's just paper. It can't even run the federal government for a year and that is before all the covid stuff. Also the top pays the vast majority the taxes so your very confused as well all your thinking is I'm envious of these people with more than me so let's tax them. Your never going to admit it but it's very clear your a envious little kid crying because you failed at life in what free stuff I've done talking with you your just a joke you will never learn you'll just keep on crying out of envy
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