For example, in March last year when the lockdowns started I was one of the people who would say that we should not accept the lockdown because if we do they'll keep locking us down whenever they feel like it, with any excuse they can think of. Many people called me paranoid and they'd tell me that it was "just two weeks to flatten the curve". Yet here we are.
I said that we shouldn't accept masks because they'd force us to wear them, and that this plus the lockdown would be used as leverage to get us to accept other things with the promise to return back to normal. I said that we'd have our privacy invaded, and our bodily autonomy. I said that it would probably lead to some kind of mandatory vaccination. Those people said "it's just a mask, what's all the fuss about? There won't be any mandatory vaccinations, don't be stupid". Now we're being told that we might have to have vaccine passports in order to regain our freedoms, and people will take the vaccine and accept the passports because they want to return to normal.
If we ever do return to normal, since they're saying that we might need to keep masking and social distancing for years even if we do get the vaccine.
Then there's this one. This one is something even I mocked. And yet here we are this week:It seems to me like most people continue to disregard conspiracy theories even if they're true. Do you change your mind or no?
When conspiracy theorists say something and it comes true, do you still think that all of them are paranoid nutcases?
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Astarlessnightsky | 1.3K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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Thats not conspiracy theories come true, that are predictions based on "wrong" informations or "false" assumptions... maybe you can call.
Lets start with the obvious one:
"2 weeks of flatten the curve" Anyone who understands what "flatten the curve" means can tell you thats never gonna happen. It means to spread a number of infections over the longest period of time possible. Instead of 10.000 infections im 2 weeks you try to slow the infectionrate down to 10.000 infections in 2 months, 4 months, 8 months, or even longer.
"Masks, Vaccine, Lockdown, ..." I bundled them together because all these have one goal, to reduce the number of infected peoole to zero (or as close to zero as possible.) The reason why there is a second lockdown and third and fourth... is that there isn't a real strategy to open up again. If the numbers are declining everything opens up and whoooopsie the numbers are increasing again, what now... The same with masks and vaccine, everything is a (more and more desoerate) attempt to reduce the numbers.
The mistake in all of them is, that the lockdown is set to a date and not set to a number of infections.
New Zeeland and Australia did it this way, they said "lockdown until we got no more cases of covid" and once this is down we can open up more and more, based on areas, quarters cities, states, ...
What other countries do is like trying to extingish a burning house and while the living room is still burning they tell people to move back in, and everyone is surprised that two hours later the whole house is burning once again.
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How are my predictions wrong or based on false assumptions when literally everything I said would happen has happened?
Im also talking abiut conspiracy theories in general. Things which people predict, people call them nutcases, they eventually turn out to be correct, and people still continue to say that they were wrong.
Other examples: in the UK here people were talking for years about how the labour government, the police and the social workers were covering up the crimes of Pakistani grooming gangs targeting young white children. They tried to jail the people who said this for inciting racial hatred. Eventually it turned out that they really were grooming kids in care and pimping them out, threatening to kill them if they told anyone, and the police refused to investigate when they did report it. 1400+ girls were raped by these gangs in one town alone, Rotherham. Yet many people still say that the people who tried to bring it to light are racist scum.
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Does the sad part about it is everything this was for it's crazy it's about greed the whole reason for the covid-19 the whole reason for us being locked down it's greed it's about money it's about China taking over everything are currency everything he wanted us to be in lockdown so they could get all the information they could get on us watching the next week it's already happening any app that you go to you will now have to sign in with either Google on Facebook if you have either one of those two whatever your browser is it's not going to be a fake password you have to sign in with your real password your real email the rich have just gotten so much richer the poor have just got much more poor and watch what happens next if we are bad people like on here everybody on Gag we're all f***** because if we're bad people on here and they don't like what we say they can shut us down and they're already doing it right now I wish I could make a URL number I would send you something that would blow your mind but it is where we are headed this is when the chaos starts it's coming closer and closer and closer
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When people ignore stay at home orders, refuses to wear masks and social distance, it’s going to take longer to eradicate the disease. So your predictions are more like self-fulfilling prophecies. If people just did it, and stop fucking crying that masks are somehow going to control your life, we’d all be in a better place.
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You people are clearly not chess players.
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I bet you consider yourself a genius, so i’m sure you’ll understand my dismissal of your opinion. Besides, I prefer poker
Actually, virtually every state that has opened up and relaxed regulations such as mask requirements rates of Covid have dropped, while rising in states that have not and have strict requirements. It’s is indeed counterintuitive but it’s the facts.
"When people ignore stay at home orders, refuses to wear masks and social distance, it’s going to take longer to eradicate the disease."
That makes no sense. The disease will never be eradicated. If you follow this to its logical conclusion, we'll be still in the same situation in 10 years time.
The reason people are resisting this nonsense is because they know that if we don't, we'll be still wearing these masks and social distancing in 10 years time. Remember that it takes 6 weeks to change a habit permanently. Humans are social creatures. We're not supposed to live in this way. We have a moral responsibility to ourselves and to our children not to create some kind of dystopian soulless world where people are terrified of each other and our every move is controlled.
People need to grow a pair and take responsibility for their own health. Young and healthy people were sent to the meat grinder in ww1 and 2. Did they sacrifice their lives for this bollocks?
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Hawner | 103 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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lockdowns were put in place to reduce the spread as much as possible, specially since, at the moment, there was no way to fight the disease. People, and not just a few, went out anyway. Lockdown didn't work not because is ineffective or part of a conspiracy, but because people is stupid and didn't actually follow it. Masks do help prevent the spread of the disease, and since it is a lethal one in many cases, it is OBVIOUS, LOGIC AND MORAL to make them mandatory to protect the population. Your discomfort is no reason to leave other people defenseless. Now we have a vaccine, a weapon to fight the virus and make it, at the very least, much less dangerous. Why would you reject it? I got vaccinated, now I have no fear of the virus. I still wear mask to protect those who still haven't gotten vaccinated and those who decided (for whatever reasons) not to get it.
Conspiracy theories are based on nothing, reality on facts. Accept it or stay hidden in your fear bunker.
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It didn’t work because it doesn’t work. Explain why state where lockdown has been lifted are seeing lower rates of covid than in states where they’re still locked.
Because a lockdown is not needed anymore, or to begin with, where the infection rates are low. If it was lifted it is precisely because it has been deemed unnecessary due to those rates. It is logic. The system works.
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No, what they’ve seen is a decrease in cases since the lockdown was lifted, and an increase in the locked down areas. Which is why it says that it has experts scratching their heads, because that’s not what they expect to happen.
Vaccination rates: if in that state all or most of the population has been vaccinated, infection rates will, obviously, go down. Population common sense: if the majority of the population does not believe in the pandemy or doesn't think it is that dangerous (to mention one of the reasons, but it is not the only one), even with lockdown they will go out and spread the virus. Environmental factors: it has been known that high temperatures kill the virus, or at least slow it down, whereas low temperatures facilitate the spread.
There are many more factors that may explain it, and if the experts, scientists who have studied all their lives, can't find an explanation at the moment, you can't expect me to do it, and least of all think you do.
Huh? Since when has ANY conspiracy theory been proven true with ACTUAL science? Did I miss the memo? Do I need to go grab my tinfoil hat so the Government can broadcast the information straight into my brain?
I'm trying to maintain an open mind here, but I find it hard to believe that:
1. Spraying chemicals in a single point in the sky can actually control the weather across an entire country. 2. The Israeli Mossad was behind the 9-11 attacks. 3. Tinfoil hats can allow me to pick up Government radio signals that can control my mind. 4. A really fat man had actually eaten a lot of cabbage for the sole purpose of getting on an elevator in the Sears tower and killing people with his toxic farts.
Okay, I made that last one up, but you get my point.
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Where did I mention those? Some of those I also mock. I mocked the idea that people would try to use kid blood to live longer, but they’re seriously talking about it now
That's an interesting hypothesis. Who bears responsibility for deaths caused by this research though? You have to take the legal ramifications into account. We're not talking about infusing fresh blood in rats; we're doing it to Human beings.
I maintain an open mind until it's proven as fact or fiction. Honestly, I really can't see the aging process being as simple as replacing old blood with new. We're not car engines!
Furthermore, this isn't really a "conspiracy theory." A conspiracy theory is an explanation of an event or situation created by sinister means. This is merely Humanity trying to advance medical science.
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Okay, if I was able to predict that we’d still be on lockdown now in many places and that there’d be some way they’d attempt to make vaccines mandatory which is the intention with vaccine passports, how? Why is it that everybody who supports these things are the same people who back then told me that I was speaking nonsense?
I don't really have an answer for that. Why are the same people who supported Trump now saying he's the worst president we've ever had?
It wasn't hard to figure either of those things out really. I mean realistically, you can't seriously expect to have a pandemic under control in two weeks - not when there are people who are idiotically forming large groups, not wearing masks, not following social distancing procedures... I mean really, the people bear most of the blame for this one, but Trump's bullheadedness about wanting to reopen the country as soon as possible obviously didn't help.
I like how all of your conspiracy's pretty much are we shouldn't do this because thwn they'll keep asking us to do it!
When.. the reason lockdowns are still being rolled out is because people aren't listening to them, go out, get infected and keep spreading it. If everyone listened, two weeks would of drastically killed covid and kept alive thouasands of people, not to mention.. the lockdown would've ended before 2021 even started becauae.. you know, the reason they started would've been gone. But conspiracy nutjobs keep screaming about how if we do basic health thing, the government will brainwash us all!
Bro.. you're using a smartphone right? Wtf do the government expect to get off you that they already don't have access to?
I can already see your response pretty much saying that I'm wrong because I didn't read this one facebook article that's now been deleted or some bullshit along those lines.
Um yeah they're here and part of the world. Same thing with covid. It's here and it's here to stay and staying at home orders aren't going to make it go away.
jshm2 | 2.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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Yes. Their bullshit is still bullshit unless they gain credibility - which none have, even you.
What you suggested was not "conspiracy" it was "prediction," and there is a large difference between the two. That you don't know the difference, is why you'll never gain credibility.
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Well that’s just one example. I mean there are many things which I have mocked because I’m always sceptical at first, but then something happens which makes it come true.
For example here in the UK for years people were saying that the police were covering up for pakistani pedophile grooming gangs. Most people said that this wasn’t happening and that the people saying that it was were racist. They were actually taken to court and charged with inciting racial hatred.
Years later it turns out they were right. 1400+ underage girls in Rotherham alone were groomed and pimped out under threat of violence. In some cases the fathers found out and went to save them, and the cops arrested the fathers rather than the pedophiles. This is all known to be true now. It was a racist conspiracy back then to a lot of people. And many of those same people still demonise those who tried to bring it to light, as if they were wrong.
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But you didn't say something that came true. Lockdowns don't happen for "any excuse they can think of". They happen for a specific reason - rising covid cases.
You do realize there's a vaccine, and by summer enough people could be vaccinated in the US that we'll have herd immunity, which means no more lock downs and no more masks. and all your paranoid delusions will prove to be the ramblings of an out of touch with reality, trumptard, lunatic.
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Do you not think that if this were the original plan they’d come up with convincing arguments to fool the plebs into complying?
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why? what's the motive? what do they gain? this is the dumbest conspiracy theory ever because there is no logical motive and nobody gains anything from this.
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I’m not actually sure what the motive is. What I do know is that when you give the government control over anything very rarely do they give back that control because they’re power hungry.
This is how governments become totalitarian. Slowly, gradually, unsuspecting.
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Even an idiot or lunatic can occasionally get things right. That does not stop them from being stupid or crazy.
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WindAtMyBack | 765 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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Nothing has changed. They are irrational nut cases.
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So even if everything somebody predicts comes true they’re still wrong?
You claim things have came true, but they haven't. In truth, you have no idea what will happen.
Even if they do come true, it's sure as hell not for the reasons you gave. Your reasons are just plain crazy and make zero sense. That's true of every conspiracy theory I've ever heard. They make no sense.
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Okay, simple yes or no answers.
Did we have a two week to flatten the curve lockdown then return to normal?
Did we have and do we still have in many places a lockdown still?
All those questions are irrelevant. It's the conclusion you come to that are irrational.
By the way. Before this goes too far. I do NOT argue with conspiracy nutcases. That's like arguing with an irrational person who insists that 1+1=3 and refuses to accept anything else.
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Of course you can’t answer the questions because the lockdown wasn’t two weeks, we continue to have lockdowns, we have been forced to wear masks, and they are talking about vaccine passports. You’re the one arguing that 1+1=3.
I CAN answer the question, but I won't argue with an irrational nut case. Because I know that no matter how I answer, you will not accept it. So stop. You will NOT convince me of your loony bullshit.
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I fail to see how I’m being irrational when I’m literally pointing out things that are definitely happening/have happened just like I said they would, and somehow you’re acting like we haven’t been in lockdowns still and that vaccine passports aren’t thing. That’s irrational to me.
i already said it's your CONCLUSIONS that are irrational.
When it started they knew almost nothing about it. They learned as they went. They still don't know everything about it. So they adjust what they do as more information becomes available. It's trial and error. There is NO rational reason to read anything more into it.
If I say I'm going to the store to buy some milk, that's a perfectly rational reason to go to the store. If you want to claim that I'm really going to the store for some other reason, you'd better have a damn good reason to think so.
You ignore perfectly valid explanations for things, and jump to completely different conclusions with no evidence, nor rational explanation for it.
"Did we have a two week to flatten the curve lockdown then return to normal?"
Yes. However, the virus proved more resilient than we had imagined. This is nothing like the common flu - and by the way, the flu also killed millions of people before we had a vaccine for it. Furthermore, the virus is mutating at an impressive rate, spawning more variants.
"Did we have and do we still have in many places a lockdown still?"
Many of these lockdowns are being gradually lifted as we speak. Many businesses that were closed just a few weeks ago are now allowed to remain open under limited occupancy. The beaches in California are slowly starting to reopen. The number of deaths and infections has gone down drastically in states that once had the highest infection rates in the country (New York, Texas and California, for example.)
"Have we been forced to wear masks?"
I don't know about other states, but in Missouri masks have been optional for the past few months, at least where I come from. (I live about midway between Springfield and St. Louis.) Masks were required when the virus got really bad in Springfield though.
"Are people talking about vaccine passports?"
What on Earth are you talking about? There was no talk of vaccine passports, at least around here. I have friends in several other states too, some of which do a lot of traveling for business purposes, and I've never heard them talk of vaccine passports either.
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How do you think I knew it was going to happen before it happened if I’m an idiot?
I’ll make a prediction now since we’re not gonna agree. The lockdown will be lifted for a few months, and then there’ll be another super killer mutant variant and we’ll go into lockdown again later on in the year.
Never said you were an idiot. In fact, I think the reverse. You're realistic enough to realize that it takes a lot longer than just two weeks to truly end a pandemic. That's something our elected officials were afraid to admit.
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yeah, you're the Messiah, where do go from here now, I'm listening.
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I’m not too sure where we go from here. I don’t claim to know everything, but I knew that was gonna happen. I think that they might be beginning to backtrack on the vaccine passports because plenty of people think like me. In states which have been opened up there has also been a drop in Covid cases while there’s been a surge in cases where people are still locked down. They say that the experts are left scratching their heads but this shouldn’t be surprising. Anyway, that might work against their plan for the passports.
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