The government actually did think about pandemics it's why there is a supreme Court case already that set precedent for the government to be able to put mandates for masks and social distancing in place because this is already happened before in our history it was already argued before The supreme Court who ruled dead in the case of the national emergency or a pandemic the government does have the right to step in and enforce guidelines in the interim to keep it citizen safe
@JuliaStylesYes they are and we have to put a stop to it.
@joeblow123 Not yet, you will see gun rights go down hill thanks to all these dumb shits shooting a bunch of people instead of them selves.
@JuliaStylesThe irony is that the shooters are Biden supporters;
You guys haven't lost any rights lol.People are such drama queens these days.
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I mean the government temporarily suspending or revoking your rights.
Yeah, I got it right then
USA, today:Total cases: 32,475,043 (10% of the population)Total deaths: 581,542Cases per million: 97,654Deaths per million: 1,749 (which is 1.8% of the cases, so 98% survival rate)So, left to itself, if everybody got infected, that would be over 5 million dead. Assuming the hospitals weren't overwhelmed with cases. Which they would have been without lockdowns.And you didn't "give up a free society", you had to stop going to places where a virus was likely to spread quickly for a limited time.
@goaded And yet in Sweden, magically the place is not overwhelmed by dead bodies, lining the streets.
@Levin Exactly. And in the US the states that have had super harsh lockdowns like CA and NY have done no better than--and in many cases WORSE than--states that didn't lock down. From which you can draw the conclusion that those states imposed ADDITIONAL costs on their populations and DIDN'T MAKE THINGS BETTER.
@Levin And yet they still have more dead per capita than, say, Germany.And that's despite the fact that they're not burdened by idiots claiming their freedom to make other people sick overrides the rights of the people they're making sick.
Or, you could draw the proper logical conclusion, that states that were hit hardest by the virus in the beginning, have higher concentrations of people, more international visitors, and colder climates had greater need for lockdowns. They would have done far worse, without them.
@goaded God almighty there is quite some mental block going on here, which is absolutely impenetrable by all reason.With your analysis you're suggesting unless we never leave our houses ever again it is going to be absolute carnage with corpses lining the street.We've demonstrated that there are places that have stayed open; and despite your assertions of grave emergency, the most heinous, deadly virus imaginable that would create a huge excess of mortality unless we in our wisdom never left our pornhubbed bed of iniquity again; they fared better than places that took all these doltish measures.Keep brushing Sweden under the carpet with your feeble attempts to explain it away. I'm actually finding it rather comical now, if morons who thought like yourself weren't in charge of policy.You can't sweep evidence under the carpet just because it doesn't suit your bizarre narrative.
@Levin Do you not understand plain English and maths?Straw man 1: "you're suggesting unless we never leave our houses ever again it is going to be absolute carnage with corpses lining the street."Straw man 2: "the most heinous, deadly virus imaginable"Quote where I said anything of the sort.As to Sweden (a country with twice the area of the UK, and a population 2/3rds that of the London metropolitan area) you still think they did nothing at all about the pandemic, don't you? Educate yourself.
@Levin If there is literally NO empirical evidence that could falsify a claim, then that is NOT a scientific claim but a religious one. Here is a histogram of Covid fatalities in the US since the start of the pandemic broken down by age cohort: www.statista.com/.../The number of deaths under 17 was 258. That's about half the number of deaths from drowning in a year. Does it make sense to close schools over that?The number of deaths from 18-29 was just over 2K. About one-fifth the number that die each year from poisoning. Worth shutting down universities for that?How about the deaths all the way up to age 49? Worth shutting down businesses for that? This is a problem that is concentrated amongst the elderly. You don't need to shut down the world for that. You can just have the elderly self isolate. Simples.
Yes, it makes sense to close schools because those children have parents and grandparents who are generally not under 17. Same with the 18-29 year olds, especially as the numbers are only as low as they are BECAUSE things were shut down.You do realise that that table shows 100,000 working-age people died of the virus despite the lockdowns, and masks, and working from home? And that only 10% of the population has had it, so far?While we're at it, do you think that if you catch it you either die or end up completely unaffected?www.mayoclinic.org/.../art-20490351"Although COVID-19 is seen as a disease that primarily affects the lungs, it can damage many other organs as well. This organ damage may increase the risk of long-term health problems. Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include: Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future. Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems. Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease."
I think if you did your research you would find that people are not so against gun control 89% of the country believe there should be universal background checks that includes 74% of Republicans and gun owners sensible legislation and Reformation of gun laws like red flag laws and background checks universally are supported by the majority of Americans just the NRA has their hand in the pocket of too many congressmen for legislation to be enacted
@ashley_85 What is the Sensible Legislation your referring to? Are you also talking about reforming Red Flag laws or passing more of them in other states. I do agree with the Red Flag Laws that could have helped in past situations. There is some Gun Control now. It's not like there are no laws. People in my area with a history of Domestic Violence are not allowed to own firearms. Much of the problem has to do with to many guns being availabe on the streets for people to access.
If they try that with me they can't breathe
The government are the people. If you don't like what they decide, you can vote against them at the next election. The only right that you should really fight to keep is the right to vote.
@goaded The "Bill of Rights" is the LAW, your opinion doesn't matter
So are all the other amendments to the constitution and the constitution, itself.
@goaded I am glad you agree with me... thank you
I do, to an extent, but the point is: it can be and has been amended.
@goaded not amended by 1 person... amended by congress after much debate and voting
i hate to say it but people act like complete sheep, when government says "it's just for the security of the people". it never is. why do people buy this bullshit? i simply can not understand that.
government is not our friend. it is our enemy that tries to overtake by increasing it's power. that power dynamic between government and the people never stopped existing. people forget that... we need government to work as a society but government is not our friend. it is a dangerous beast that we need to keep in check at all times. cause the moment there's a sliver of power to be had, the government will take it without hesitation.
Why even live at that point?
Because otherwise assclowns go raiding the capital.
^^^^But those assclowns learned from the best, BLM/antifa, I noticed U did not mention that, must be futon liberal disease and Choke collar too tight syndrome 😜.
Oh i am sure you would rebel too if you were beating or had friends killed for a simple traffic stop
Voting is your ability to fix things... a dead man can't persue much for action.
Voting doesn't work well either, I used to work the system years ago and the incompetent idiots running those machines, im not surprised that the election was stolen.
@michael1469 You spelled Car Bombs wrong. Violence is the only answer.
FACT: the election was not stolen. Trump LOST fair and square. If voter fraud was an issue, it could and should have been fixed many elections ago.
@michael1469 Trump was claiming election fraud in 2017, as well. With all the resources of the government behind him, his Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity found nothing. Why would anyone expect anything different this time?en.wikipedia.org/.../Presidential_Advisory_Commission_on_Election_Integrity
... but found none. Trump can claim he is president all he wants, that doesn't make him president. Let alone presidental material.
And further more... his statement means all elections are fraudulent. Meaning he wasn't even elected in 2016 by your logic.
@michael1469 (I was agreeing with you!) C:
Disnt read it that way. Wiki is not credible source since anyone can edit it
@michael1469 It's not that bad. I did say they "found nothing".My point was that Trump lied about it in 2016, and he's lying about it now (still!). It's not like his supporters would believe a real investigation that found nothing, because there was nothing, anyway.
I think the 5th disappeared in 2013, Miranda rights! But it is more than that. Should a house/car orAny property be searched and damaged/destroyed? No longer covered by the non-existent 5th.
@Redred56 The lucrative merger between corporation and state are eroding our 1st amendment rights and all others follow from the death of the 1st.
@Floppy2112 @Redred56 well this thread is taking on a lofe of its own. Don't know much about 5th amendment except from court dramas. I'm not American.
Right, I understand. And it is interesting that this is a worldwide phenomenon. The whole world seems to be moving collectivly to the authoritarian left. At least the western world is, but it seems that almost, save for the occasional sheep, do not like it. Which leads me to the bold conclusion that that someone is pulling the strings behind the scenes and investing tons and tons of money into left wing causes in an attempt to spark a revolt by the youth to demand more authoritarianism. Which leads me to another bold assertion that me thinks China is behind most of this. They are encouraging the same type of violent revolt that they themselves went through. To destroy history and replaces truth with lies that are maintained by force. That's a hypothesis, I don't know if it's right or not, but that's what it seems like to me.
And replaced by an app.