True!State what should be said but don't be instigating bad behavior.
Bless you for being one of the few rational people left.
In general I agree with that, but at the same time people themselves can put a twist on what someone says for good or bad. It is why so many people would think that something Trump said was horrible or no big deal cause it wasn't bad.No amount of prep for a speech can prevent any of that.
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Show me the unedited videos of Trump promoting violence
I'd like to see this, as well. But she can't/won't.
Maybe since she so concerned with credibility, as she has mentioned in her post, she could defend hers and attempt to show us Trump inciting violence?
Alright, I'm watching this video and I'll give you my thoughts. I took quite a bit of time out of my day to break this down, so I'd appreciate it if you actually engaged with the refutation. Firstly, I'd like to point out that I believe this first part of the video was supposed to prove he incited the riot of the capital. And they're using (illogical) examples that occurred prior to the capitol incident. This doesn't prove that he incited the capitol riot. I'd also like to point out that the race of the guy who got punched, which they so keenly mentioned, is entirely irrelevant, but they still wanted everyone to know "oh, and he was black! And they hit him! Those racists!!!" But as for the example itself, Trump explicitly states that the man was violent, and people responded with violence. I'd also like to point out that the clip they provided is like a literal second long. I wonder why they felt the need to remove what happened before and after that 1-second interval. 🤔 Not to mention, this isn't an uncommon perspective. If you are in a situation of violence, you're allowed to respond with violence. Additionally, I'm assuming that guy in the video wasn't the only guy to throw a punch, as the black guy was said to be violent before that. So when Trump says retaliation is warranted, and they show this clip, what is proving that Trump meant the guy who punched him as the other guy walked up the stairs? Why isn't it that Trump was referring to the man who was assaulted by the black guy? This is deceptively presented/edited in more than one way. And the next clip of him making jokes "never wrestle him." Really? "Any guy that can do a body slam is mind kind of guy." This is an incitement of violence? 😂 Then they show a video of bad people marching, but say literally nothing about how Trump incited it or how Trump is in any way connected to it at all. Is this a joke? (Response continued below)
Then they show like 3 other videos without stating how it was incited by Trump, nor how it is even connected to him (yet again). But after this, they show a video of him talking completely separate of those incidents. Unless I'm mistaken, when he said "there is blame on both sides" he was talking about when those two opposing factions who showed up to support/oppose the un-voted removal of a public statue. Again, this is deceptive editing, and they aren't even trying very hard. They're relying on the ignorance of their viewers. As for what they guy said in response to this, I like how he groups neo-nazis and clans-men with the proud boys, of which have a literal black man as a chairman, of which have several chapters comrpised solely, or virtually all of, people of color. It's funny, too, how they walked back their statement that he called "neo-nazis and white supremacists very fine people" because now in light of facts and information, they can't deny that Enrique Tarrio, the Proud Boys' chairmen, is a black man who attended that protest in opposition to removing the statue. And those are the people he was referring to when he said "good people on both sides." Funnily enough, he even clarifies that in the speech, but they like to deceptively edit that out, too, when he said "and I'm not talking about the neo-nazis and the white supremacists, because they should be condemned totally." (Response continued below)
But I digress. This guy literally says "the neo-nazis, clansmen, and proud boys invaded the great city of Charlottesville and killed heather." So he's literally saying neo-nazis, clansmen, AND the proud boys killed Heather. All of them, they all did it, and since Trump said some of the people were good people that were peacefully protesting the statues removal, and sinxe the proud boys were doing that and that they killed Heather (they didn't), then Trump incited violence. You can't get more mental gymnastic-y than that. But obviously this guy doesn't actually believe what he said, he's deliberately wording things poorly to make it seem like things are connected that aren't connected. He goes on to say "an attack on a black (irrelevant) protester at one of his rallies was 'very appropriate.'" Yes, I'm sure most people would agree that self-defense is appropriate. But not to people with Trump Derangement Syndrome, apparently. He then shows a video of Trump saying that his speech was totally appropriate (regarding his speech directly prior to the January 6th incident, where he called for a "peaceful protest"), the guy in this video then says "totally appropriate was how he (trump) characterized his incitement on January 6th." But they literally haven't provided a video of him inciting the violence on January 6th. They just say it WAS incitement and Trump SAID it was appropriate, without actually showing us how he incited the violence. They're just asserting it was. They've only showed videos of situations that happened well before it, and showed a video of him saying "my speech was appropriate" after it. So it's loaded statement. You haven't proven that he incited January 6th, but then when you show a video of him saying his speech was appropriate, you say that his incitement of January 6 was appropriate to Trump. Why aren't they showing us him inciting the violence on January 6th, and THEN show us him saying it was appropriate. (Response continued below)
Then they show videos of some person, who isn't Trump, dragging someone. But don't show Trump inciting that person to do it. Then they show a video of Trump saying "see, the first group I was nice, the second group I was pretty nice, the third group I'll be a little more violent, the fourth group I'll say 'get the hell out of here!'" Anyone with a bias would say "look, he said he'd be a little more violent, which is some extent or violent, thus, he said he was, or will be, violent!" But if you look at the context, he was making a statement about different stages of progressive responses, that being from nice, to pretty nice, to violent, to "get the hell out of here!" If "get the hell out of here" is an increment after being "violent" then that increment before "get the hell out of here" isn't literally violent, because actual violence is beyond saying "get the hell out of here." He was using "violence" figuratively. And if you somehow disagree, and say "no, he was being literal" then I ask you, okay, show me a literal video of Trump literally being literally violent with someone literally. Show me a video in which Trump is in a fight or otherwise some sort of scuffle with someone. Then they show a video of Trump saying "get him out of here." Do security guards not do this regularly? Throw people out? How is this an incitement of violence? (Response continued below)
The next video: "If you see someone getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would ya?" The crowd laughs. It was a joke, and even if it wasn't, you're stopping someone from commuting assault. But again, it was a joke. He continues to say "I will pay for the legal fees." So if this wasn't a joke, and he was being serious, then since this video allegedly shows all these different Trump supporters being violent, can you show me an instance in which Trump paid their legal fees? I mean how many people were arrested over the capital? How many of those people did Trump pay for their legal fees? Zero? Huh, that's odd. Lastly, rather than linking a video without saying anything at all, can you verbally rationalize him inciting the violence, yourself, outside of jokes or supporting self defense? Or do you mean to say you oppose jokes and self defense? Because this video you've provided is entirely inadequate. So if I'm wrong, which I'm not, you're going to have to verbally rationalize how this video shows him inciting violence.
Show me the videos where he did.I mean the full videos. Not just bits and pieces.
simple enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBuYnLElK7U and this wasn't the first or last time he incited violence.
I'm not about to spend another 30 minutes typing things out. Can you time stamp and quote him doing it?
@crmoore he told them to march at the capital and fight like hell-which they did.
Also, @Asker, you should tell people on the SuperCuteButt thread that she blocked me and left me unable to respond.And yeah, he also said to do it peacefully. Saying "fight like hell" isn't saying "get into a physical skirmish with people." It's a figure of speech and you know that. There's no way that's beyond your knowledge.
@crmoore kinda reminds of mob movies, don't it? Al Franklin had a field day mocking that defense.
No, it quite literally doesn't. Mob movies don't tell people to be peaceful. But I'd like to point out that rather refuting my response, he attempts to direct the narrative elsewhere. Likely because he can't viable discredit what I've stated.
@crmoore no, they just say ''it would be a shame if something happened to _____. i don't need to-you can't ''fight like hell'' and ''fight peacefully''-to contradicting statements... hell, even the second statement contradicted itself. and yes, i laughed typing ''fight peacefully''
I suppose if you're going to be delusional you may as well get a laugh out of it. Again, fight like hell is a figure of speech, not a literal call to violence.And you're indirectly proving me right. If fight like hell was not a figure of speech and a literal call to violence, asking them to "peacefully protest" (not "fight peacefully") WOULD contradict a literal call for physical skirmishes. It doesn't make sense because "fight like hell" is not literal.
@crmoore 'or, is that just what you want to believe? it's time to wake up, now.
I can say the same about you. "AL Franklin had a field day with it" because it's what you want to believe. You want him to be right so you want his unfounded remarks to be legitimate. You know fight like hell is a figure of speech. You know Trump called for a peaceful protest. You know Trump didn't say nazis were fine people. You know Trump has condemned racism. You know it all but you bury it deep in the crevices of your mind because reality doesn't align with your twisted worldview. You are the one who needs to wake up.
@crmoore i'm not twisting anything. i'm looking at things as they are. also, looking at trump's pattern for inciting violence.
You mean the pattern like the guy mentioned in the first video linked in this thread? The pattern/video I refuted?Would you like to watch the video and go through my refutation and refute my stance? Or are all you're going to do is sit here and assert that it's true without debating it?
@crmoore like trump calling covid the kung flue... AFTER the vents in Atlanta. him calling for the violence against protesters saying he'd pay for the legal fees. him condoning violence against reporters-which has resulted in threats and acts of violence by his supporters. no argument that you could possible make could convince ANYONE that trump didn't know what he was doing.
So if I member of party X comitted a crime and got away with it, then a member of party Y should be allowed to commit the same crime and get away with it? Jesus, can we put more stock in supporting what is right than we do in supporting a particular party?
Trump is gone. Even if he wasn't it's stupid to use his bad behavior to excuse the bad behavior of your team. That's the rationale of a 10 year old.
just goes to show you how deluded people are on this website when 14 people disagree with this obvious answer smh
@Sabertooth Well that's certainly true if incorrect people don't actually read refutations. Considering the fact that I've refuted some of the things you've mentioned, how about you act like an adult and read it, address it, and explain to me why I'm wrong.As for @Still-alive, you have no room to criticize the positions of others when you can't defend yours in the face of refutation. If anyone is deluded here, it's you.
@crmoore yeah i read all your bullshit.. reluctantly. there's still no way you can look at most of that on the video and think he was not advocating violence. you're just a tool for Trump. im sure you'll vote for him again in 2024 like the tool you are.
@crmoore there's no since in arguing with someone who refuses to take their blinders off.
@stillalive. The obvious answer is that a member of one party getting away with it doesn't excuse a member of another party from doing it. Partisan politics is poison. What if both were guilty of rape or murder? Would you excuse your team because the other team got away with it?
@Still-alice Why is it that I can verbally rationalize my stance and you can't? What does say about the difference in our merit?@Sabretooth You're damn right about that. When you can actually face refutation, you know where to find me.
where am i playing partisan politics here? I don't like Biden or really most liberals for that matter but Trump is FAR worse than even other republican presidents we've had. yes even George w bush.
@Still-alive trump was the true face of the part from my observations.
@Sabretooth yeah he tore the mask right off of the republican party. and there's no going back for them now. They're gonna lose Texas in the future (it's increasingly getting bluer each year). and if someday we ever revoke the electoral college they're completely done for.
@Still-alive And don't forget making it easier for liberals to immigrate here, as well as teaching liberal ideology in schools. It's only a matter of time.
@crmoore and i guarentee you it is NOT nearly as bad as your biased fox news, cucker tarlsons or conservative pundits make it out to be
@Still-alive what do you think about Harris? i see her career going in flames.
@crmoore hmm... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0FeW_xNRas
@Sabretooth yeah sadly i think she has too much baggage and also doesn't have it in her to really stand up to Trump and his cronies. but i'd love to be proven wrong there
@Still-alive after watching these vids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU__KhZto2I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0rc5eoqFWk&t=1s i gotta tell ya-i follow liberal news outlets-i agree with them on most things... they aren't happy.
@Still-alive I don't watch Fox News or Tucker Carlson (and your blatant ad hominid attacks on him aren't doing you any favors). And a good portion of my news sources are from liberals. Out of curiosity, why is it that you seem to be able to make several responses to my off-comments, but refuse to address the invalidating to the link you attest to? Is it too much much ask for a proper, civil conversation between adults?
@crmoore when you're blatantly defending a dictator like trump NO there is no reason to have a reasonable conversation with you.
@Still-alive @Sabertooth. Still alive just lost the argument. As soon as you resort to calling someone you disagree with a cuck, you have lost. The same for comparing someone to Hitler.
@jerdanro not really, he just doesn't like when people call him out on his bullshit. nor you
@jerdanro except he wants to be just like Hitler-he idolizes un and putin.
@Still-alive And when you call someone like Trump a dictator (in absence of anything remotely dictatorial), there is almost certainly no point in attempting to talk to you, but I'm actually trying to make the world a better place, here, and I'm actually giving it a shot. So how about you stop acting so immaturity and actually grab a seat at the table?
@Still-alive your ability to have an intelligent discussion is astounding. What bullshit have you called anyone out on?
@crmoore trump wanted his political opponents arrested and wanted to dictate what news was acceptable and what wasn't depending on rather it was flattering to him or not.
@jerdanro attempting to gaslight people on the FACT that Trump incited violence. its pretty much trying like trying to engage in someone thinking Hitler didn't argue for anyone to be mass executed in the death camps
Guys, we're a little late to the party here. Is this thread about the behavior of someone who is actually still in office? We can use the Trump is evil debate to distract ourselves from what is happening now, forever if we want.
@jerdanro we are talking about someone who will try to run again in 2024 and if he wins WILL be more disastrous then the first time he was in.
@Sabretooth And Hillary got a 3-year long investigation doing the same, and she wasn't even the president. And Obama had a real big problem with reporters (link: freedom.press/.../ ).@Still-alive If it's just an apparent fact, then engage me in debate and prove it.
@crmoore watch the video again. and watch it more closely.
@Still-alive Why should I when you refuse to play ball? I've already broke the video down, I highly doubt there's something I missed. So if you want me to watch it again, address my refutations and tell me how I'm wrong, then I will go back and watch the video with your response in mind. But until then, I'm not just going to do what you ask of me when you refuse to do anything I ask of you. This is not a one-way street.
@Still-alive I don't see the disaster improving anytime soon. On the right or the left.
@crmoore if you can't see it then there is no use debating you. its like looking at a fire that was obviously started by and arsonist and deciding 'nah this was all natural causes'.
@Still-alive Except I can't actually rationalize my stance verbally, and you can't. So who is the one in denial, here?
@crmoore you haven't. you're just in blatant denial. you have a clear agenda too.
@Still-alive Wow. That's some serious irony. You've already admitted you reluctantly read it, and now you're claiming I haven't done it. Now THAT is delusional. 😂
@crmoore no im claiming you're denying reality. A clever logician could theoretically rationalize away the holocaust but it still denies reality and the end of the day. And those people and YOU are not the kind of people i want to engage in ever.
@Still-alive Why is it that the one who's de tinf reality is begging for an alternative opinion, and the one who supposedly isn't is avoiding addressing opposing views?
@crmoore because you're about on par with a holocaust denier. maybe slightly less worse.why would anyone want to engage in a logical debate with someone like that?
@Still-alive Because it would be exceptionally easy. But if you haven't done it by now, it won't happen. So I rest my case. If you change your mind, feel free to comment or message me. I welcome the debate.
@crmoore no thanks
And I also find it really, really funny that you think denying the holocaust is possibly slightly better than denying Trump's alleged incitement of violence. Even if Trump did incite the violence, it's nothing compared to the holocaust. So this really puts your merit into perspective.
@crmoore denying obvious signs of calling for violence is pretty bad and denying obvious incitement to dismantle our democracy at the capitol is slightly --less worse-- than denying a holocaust. yes sir.
@Anna__MProve anything that you’ve just made up out of your racist Liberal, Commie mind?
Seek professional help.A constant state of hate and anger is unhealthy.
Please. Since Biden won, I haven't been happier. It's just dealing with idiots like you which raises my blood pressure.
Unfortunately, the fools only hear want they want to. And make up the rest.
Liberal gobbledygook. What she said is what she intended and it was inciting violence.
She's a race-baiter just like Al Sharpton!
@ashley_85 You’re truly and utterly Insane !!😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩
@JamieLoves She is a product of wall to wall propaganda in government schools, the university, the news media and entertainment. Very like how ordinary Germans became Nazi's. And of you see liberal pronouncements, they are becoming more fascist every day.
@Dargil you are so correct! She’s pure evil!
What were his exact words?
“Knock the crap out of them” “I’d like to punch in the face”If you want to speak specifically about the insurrection, Trump spent weeks and weeks tweeting to his followers how they are victims. How their election was stolen (which Trump claims every single times he loses at anything) from them. And that they have to fight to save their county. Americans are patriotic. Probably the most patriotic citizens in the world. Telling them their country is about to be lost, repeatedly, will bring out a large group who feel it’s their duty to defend their country from there horrors that Trump told them will come. One must be a moron to think that telling people that wouldn’t bring many to violence.Maxine Waters should also not speak so inflammatory. And as soon as we see her repeating this over and over, for weeks on end, telling people they have to fight, on TV and on Twitter, then she too will have reached the same level as Trump and should be held to account the way Trump should have been. Don’t forget one little fact too, Trump was president, with far more influence the Maxine Waters. His words have more power then hers ever will.How can anybody see her words as a call to violence and not Trumps?
Wasn't it Biden who wants to take Trump behind the gym? We can play this game all day. My list of quotes of people inciting violence will make Trump look like a saint
Yes! I know. You will have to quote the entire Democratic Party just to find a comparison to all the rhetoric spewed by Trump all by himself. 😂🤣
Amazing!!!People like make me chuckle out loud.
That’s your willful ignorance chuckling. It’s laughing at you.
By telling people to peacefully and patriotically make their voices heard? You think that's inciting violence? You're funny
@Rangers If you think using a couple words like “peaceful” and “patriotically” cancels out months of inciting rhetoric, you might be willfully ignorant.
When liberals have been manipulated by the media to believe anything
@GreenArrow27 I don’t much care what the liberals believe or don’t believe. But if you believe it’s only the liberal who are manipulated by their media, you too can file yourself under the willfully ignorant. Don’t be offended, you have lots and lots of company.
CNN just got busted. They were lying and admitted they exaggerated covid for views
they will and they don't care. https://youtu.be/M5OVYC1o4zo
@Sabretooth except republicans never called for violence. 🤦 you should turn off CNN
@GreenArrow27 trump said fight like hell. giuliani called for a trial by combat. jr said they were coming for them.
@sanretooth you can watch a ten minute video of Democrat’s saying we have to fight. It doesn’t mean with violence. He told people to be peaceful. 😂😂 you heard that from fake news CNN. What about Democrat’s calling for violence all summer
@GreenArrow27 he also said ''fight like hell''. you might have had a case... IF, he didn't have a history of inciting violence and his supporters carrying it out-or, attempting to.
@Sabretooth again Democrat’s have said those same words. Trump said to be peaceful. The amount of people there that weren’t getting violent far outweighs the people that did. Trump supporters didn’t murder anyone
So does she deserve impeachment or not?
Jesus. Can we just look at her actions and not start a pissing match about which party has the biggest assholes? They both suck.
they love CNN.
Where did Trump insight violence?
Great legal minds are still weighing that point. There are many individual statements that create "a preponderance of evidence", and again, that's a legal issue. It doesn't have to be limited to that particular speech either, but there's plenty of it. Things like " Turn your cameras please and show what's really happening out here because these people are not going to take it any longer. They're not going to take it any longer. " What are they "not going to take", and what's the implication?" Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that's what this is all about. And to use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with: We will stop the steal." And so on. The entire speech is just laced with baseless assertions and calls to "fight" to save our country. Trump has never been against showing violence towards anyone who opposes him. He never once urged the crowd to maintain a peaceful, law abiding way to voice their point. Keep in mind, their mission was to convince the Vice-President to essentially break the law and overturn the election, based on absolutely nothing. The sickening, and pathetically sad part besides the deaths and injured on both sides, is how morons in the Republican Party and idiots like Tucker Carlson has the balls to say " this wasn't a violent event" and "they weren't armed". Or that the video is somehow fake. It's disgusting, and if anyone should be removed from Congress, it's jerk offs like Ron Johnson and Hawley.
I think that option was intended to be ironic.
Lol I don't know about that.
You’re a clown 🤡
@JamieLoves A clown, perhaps, but I stated the facts.
What’s did Trump do? Be Specific and list References...
Mad Max's lemmings have attacked Trump supporters in restaurants and other public settings.So please stop with the bullshit!!!
i can linked plenty of videos of trump supports attacking others, making threats to kill people, and, trump inciting it.
What words did Trump use to do the that?That is like claiming five people were murdered that day.
Do u live in a cave? Trump said his followers needed to "fight" for their country. Remember?www.usnews.com/.../trump-supporters-crowd-into-washington-to-protest-congress-certifying-bidens-victory
Did MLK "fight" for his cause? Yes!Did he promote violence? No!Do you not comprehend the word "fight"?
Then using your logic, how did Maxine Waters promote violence?
Compare the total language.Do you remember her telling her lemmings to chase Trump supporters out of public places?The Judge in the George Floyd trial even called out Crazi Maxi for her words. The Judge said they maybe be grounds to over turn a guilty verdict.Wouldn't that be hilarious?
I never heard the words "violence" come out of her mouth. So I think you just lost this argument. How does "Confrontational" sound more violent than "fight?"
I guess a child can't follow logic.
Yup. I guess you can't. :(
For telling people to peacefully and patriotically make their voices heard?
@Rangers leys be real he just said the word “peaceful” to save his own ass legally. Everyone with a brain knows what he really meant. Those rioters sure understood it.
People are rioting and she said that people need to get even MORE confrontational.www.cnn.com/.../index.html
@crmoore Trump riled people up everyday and you loved it, though.
What did I love about it?
@crmoore You loved every twisted second of it.
That doesn't answer my question.We've had civil conversations in the past and I'd hate for our differing political views ruin that, but with all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. Firstly, I don't think Trump has "riled people up" in a violent way (excluding cases of supporting self defense), which is the topic of this conversation so I assume that's what you meant. Secondly, even if he did, I absolutely wouldn't love it, let alone like it, let alone support it, let alone accept it.I think your inability to answer my question supports the notion that that don't know what you're talking about. I have never expressed the view you claim I have.
@crmoore Where I come from, we call people like you a "hypocrite."
@supercutebutt Trump never told people to get violent. Most of the people didn’t get violent. Democrat’s told people to get violent all summer
@GreenArrow27 Don't you ever get tired of sucking Trump's penis. Seriously. It's embarrassing. You literally worship a twisted sociopath. What does your mom think of you? Is she filled with shame? Be honest.
I hear Trump has a big penis. Maybe you need to ride it.
Ugh, another Trump sucker. You people are like a plague. What self respecting human worships a clown?
So do you enjoy sucking Biden's dick? Can he get a hard on at his age?
@supercutebutt I don’t warship Trump I worship god. But I know I won the argument because you attacked me personally because you have no political argument left. I’m guessing you voted for Biden? The guy that voted for Jim Crow laws
@GreenArrow27 @crmoore @Rangers Sorry about your boy. :( Will you guys visit Chauvin in prison? Maybe they will let you bring your Trump flags. Probably not the flag poles though.
@supercutebutt no he got what he deserved
I agree. I also think we should wait to prosecute rapists until the other rapist is convicted. A crime is a crime. Partisan politics is poison.
Her crime, Promoting Domestic terrorism.
If proved to be true yes.As of this point in time he hasn't been caught in the act of butt fucking little boys.Maxine is on video inciting violence.
How many gop reps egged on the Capitol rioters?
@burlen Her mouth and her ugly face.