These conflicting interests mean that the EU, for all its undoubted material strengths, is confined to the limited compromises and deals that they can strike among themselves. Thereby leaving a relatively wan and somewhat vague policy agenda and usually no agreed policy for executing that agenda. It being further added that where the states disagree, as sovereign states, they will then pursue their own interests quite forthrightly.There is plenty more - including the aging if Europe's population and other factors contributing to a decline in Europe's global position since WWII, but this is, in essence, why the EU remains an economic giant but a diplomatic middleweight, at best. At an irreducible level, the whole is less than the sum of its parts.
Yes it is, but the worst thing for me is that the big European elites dream of doing what they call "the United States of Europe" 🤣. Their main arguments being that like all the European countries are too small to face the giants like the USA, Russia, China, India etc. it is necessary that the European countries do more united.The worst thing being that our French elites also dream of this Europe, and take General de Gaulle as an example of the builder of Europe and the reconciler of with germans, but they forget one thing is that de Gaulle was more Machiavellian than that🤣
Well, just one distinct point.Some elites in Europe dream of a United States of Europe. For others, it is a mechanism for advancing their own nation's national interests. See also DeGualle. He did indeed advocate for a "united Europe." However, as you rightly point out, he did so mostly to lasso Germany - and German economic power - to France. Thereby magnifying French power both within Europe and at the larger global level. Also note that, at the point that DeGualle was implementing his policies, Germany was divided for the first time since 1871 - thus an historic French foreign policy goal had been attained and the moment was ripe for France to seek out a dominant position within Europe. In that connection, note that Germany has NOT wanted the euro. It was France that pushed for it as French elites saw it as a way to have a direct say in the making of German economic policy, thereby enhancing France's position.Bottom line, it is more complicated than a simple matter of cosmopolitan elites seeking to erase national identity. In fact, there are varying elites with varying goals. Indeed, the idea of nationalism being identified with populism is of recent vintage. Forget not that, originally, part of the call for a United States of Europe was a populist call. A way to spare the "common man" the ravages of war and economic competition that had been supposedly been borne by the "working class."
Yes, but for de Gaulle, Europe should serve as Archimedes' lever for French power. But for our elites today and even Macron he only thinks of Europe he considers himself a citizen of the world, he even said that there is no French culture.Interesting anecdotes, you have surely heard of Jean Monnet, considered as one of the fathers of Europe, De Gaulle called him "the American agent"As for the currency, it was a mistake of François Mitterrand to want to do that, and moreover several political observers of the time told him that it would backfire on us.
You seem to be missing my point. I am not fundamentally disagreeing with you. I am merely pointing out that it is more complicated than the simple "cosmopolitan elites" vs. "the patriotic masses" that you postulate.Yes, DeGualle wanted "Europe" as an Archimedian lever to enhance France power. He was hardly a populist. As to the "euro," that too was in the "Archimedes" tradition. That it did not work out completely as planned has many causes and may even have been, to some extent, predictable. However, what it was NOT - as German opposition to it at the time suggests - was an elitist plot to subsume the states of Europe in a larger entity. Superficially perhaps - and heaven knows, many "Europeanists" thought of it in that light. The reality, however, was and is more complicated.
Type-o:This - "The EU, then, was born in the idea that if a sufficient legal, institutional and diplomatic framework could be established. Economics would replace national interests and in time economic and financial connections would replace national interests."Should read - "The EU, then, was born in the idea that if a sufficient legal, institutional and diplomatic framework could be established, economics would replace national interests. THUS, in time, economic and financial connections would DISPLACE national interests."
In any case, it is not guaranteed that the European Union can still last in the long term.
Well, that is a banality and a cliche. Recall that Lincoln said that the only words that are true always and forever are, "This too shall pass." To which, in a narrower context, Disraeli added, "Finality is not in the vocabulary of politics."Nothing lasts. The Grand Canyon was once a tiny trickle of a river, now it is a massive canyon. France was once Gaul, then it was an empire and now it is a republic.The EU may not last, or it may last in another form or context. Nevertheless, it is a great big palpitating reality and France and other Europeans must decide what they want of it, from it and what they want the future to look like. It being the case that whatever forms it takes, there will be consequences good and bad that flow from that.See also my reply to this question: Do you believe the European Union will still exist or be relevant by the end of the century? ↗
Tell that to my former president François Hollande, these are own words 🤣
Not sure I follow your comment. However, I will be sure to mention it to former President Hollande the next time I see him.
It was François Hollande who said that the European Union risked disappearing.So you can give the answer you gave me to François Hollande, how this guy could he become president and to say such banality, incredible 🤣
Yes and so? the more countries there are, the more the interests between nations diverge, and therefore impossible to have a common policy to influence the international scene
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yeah, but for me the real reason is that the more countries there are, the more the interests between nations diverge, and therefore impossible to have a common policy to influence the international scene
Yes interests but the EU is a political entity in itself so the more powers granted to it the less powers their own country have regionally which is what they prefer and how it should be because they are that region's leaders and if these leaders feel threatened by a single entity (the EU itself for example) grows too big, they band together against it
Either way, the eu cannot be a world power for the simple reason that it is not a nation. And I reject this ridiculous idea of wanting to make "the United States of Europe" where my country France would end up being more than a California of Europe lol🤣
The EU can and will try to become a unitifed nation of Europe but it could also go wrong and end in turmoil
Impossible for it to work, the interests are far too different. The only Europe I love is Napoleon or Louis Quartozienne lol
You are clearly have no idea what you talk about. Go to a proper school and travel the world before opening that pie hole with shit like this.
@Adam1978 Hahahaha. Are you ashamed of yourself for being a yes man? I can understand that.
I am not a yes man. Can you get a single fact right or are you completely incapable of that.
@Adam1978 Was I telling you something new? I was sure that you knew that you Europeans are a bunch of yes men. You know, your countries have a very limited sovereignty and you suck up to my country's gov't. 😒
@notarobberyet I completely agree with you.
You keeping telling me that your ratarded and that I should stop listening because it's just dog 💩 coming out of your mouth.
Democratic Nazism? That makes NO sense.
You talk shit, anonymous.
They tried with war and lost so they tried with politics and are losing, guess they'll go for nuclear warfare soon in order to win The Nazis are showing their true colors
Again, you talk shit.
I'm calling you out for supporting the Newo-Nazi operation commonly dubbed the European Union with anti-jewish, pro-genocide views to build a global superpower that'll get stomped out by China's soon to be 2billion population
You’re really still here talking shit, I’ll give it to you you’re persistent :)
I can see the truth, once you see the truth it will set you free
Ignorance is bliss Mr Anonymous
@acooke-13 @acooke-13 is this guy for real?
IKR.. up the Brexit ;)