Would it still be unfair for a trans woman to compete in female sports if she transitioned before puberty? (Page 2)
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Yes estrogen increases bone density even without hitting puberty the biological male can still outcompete women if they are equally trained
100% unfair.
Completely unfair to girls.
If someone is born male they should NOT be allowed to compete against biological women.
You should not compete your still a guy who just completely altered his body. Your no different from frankinstine
Frankenstein was a creature brought to life from the body parts of several dead people. I take female hormones and live as a woman. I don’t see the comparison.
Completely altered body with chemicals pumped into it. Fake science used and being something your not.
How is the science fake?
If HE wants to identify as a toaster then fine, but that doesn't mean a toaster can compete in sports does it? Can't be something to you're not.
I say do whatever you want, it's none of my business, and I could care less about sports, male or female, crush it out there bro.
That's not a good argument. When it comes to sports there should be no exceptions. If you're born with a penis you complete with the males, and vice versa.
If you were born with male parts, you dont play on the women's team, and vice versa, in my opinion. The LPGA has that rule, and its simple and easy. Its a small price to pay in the long run, that's part of your choice.
hmmm that a good question. I think that males are born with more muscle than females and then the have testosterone to increase them. Without puberty you'd still have an advantage over females in the amunt of base muscle
No even without male puberty trans women naturally still got bigger bone density and speed then women.
They are men and cannot ever take on a woman in any sport it would be cheating. Look at Bruce Jenner he would destroy any woman in track and field in his prime if he had his sex change back then
Very hard to answer. If not at all I'd at least propose a transolympics kinda event. I don't really know how those hormones affect a human, but I would let them participate as the gender they transitioned to. A couple of years to adapt should be enough I persume.
I don’t think it’s fair, regardless of whatever treatments you get to try and suppress the male side of you.
Yes. 100% unfair. And I honestly am disgusted that people are okay with people transitioning that damn young.
We know who we are our entire lives we don’t just wake up one day and decide to get a sex change.
Totally agree @NickJC17 when I was that age I wanted to be a werewolf but didn't think of transitioning to one. No one knows their mind at that age! 🤦
Eliza, so many people who transition at a young age regret it. No. Anyone who thinks they know who they fully and completely are by the age of 15 or younger is delusional.
Sadly they are in the middle. Cannot compete with guys but compete with the girls. I would do like they do in the para Olympics have category for trans...
Still unfair. No matter what, they are biologically men, not women, and should stick to men's affairs and men's sports.
If we’ve never been through male puberty we’ve never been men.
Born male? Then you're a male/ man. The only people who have never been men are those who were born females.
I’m not a man but ok.
He's speaking in a strictly biological sense. Biologically, no amount of modern day treatment can change your biological sex.
There is just a social contract where if you can present yourself as a woman convincingly enough, you will be treated as a woman in most matters by most people.
"People should just let us have the one thing we do better in"
so you know you are at advantage, you know that would still be unfair lol, what a joke. make your own competition
What the hell is a "cis woman"?
I'm a woman. Not a cis woman.
Trans community should make some rules for that. So it wouldn't create a problem.
If u are 6 feet girl or taller with biceps bigger then avarage guy then yes thats quite unfair u participate in girls only sport team
Yes it would be unfair cause she may identify with the female gender it's still a man bigger faster and stronger