Why don't they understand that the MLBPA is the reason why the commissioner couldn't levy any punishment against Astros players for sign stealing?

Question

I get that MLB players are mad that no player got punished for sign stealing. I don't understand why they blame the commissioner for this though. The MLBPA is the reason why he couldn't levy any punishment against the players. They made a point to make sure he offered the players immunity. If you have an issue with no punishments it's an issue with the MLBPA, not the commissioner. Yet no player dares to reprimand them for that.

Answer 1

WhiteSteve | 154 opinions shared on Sports topic.

Master

No stronger union in sports than the MLBPA. And the players sure won’t disparage it, haha, all we hear about is that the game is struggling, particularly with the younger generation of fans, but the contracts keep going up and up and up. We just had to unload Mookie Betts herein Boston because he’s going to command like 12yrs/$400-420M next offseason, not to mention David Price’s horrendous contract. And it’s all guaranteed money, not like in the NFL where you’ll see some huge numbers sometimes but it’s all dummy money, with fake-years to give salary cap relief but everyone knows the player will be traded or cut, incentive escalators, and just plain “you’re cut, so you don’t get paid.” These MLB and NBA guys have a way sweeter deal. I think the Mets are still paying Bobby fucking Bonilla ffs lmfao, and the Wizards were still paying Gilbert Arenas til a couple years ago. The point being: these MLB players know where their bread is buttered, so they won’t kick up too much dust.

Although if I’m Alex Bregman or Jose Altuve, I’m exchanging my under-jersey buzzers for under-jersey armor, they’re going to be wearing 95 on the ribs a few times, lmao, especially when they play LA.

Twalli

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I know why they aren't blasting MLBPA, LOL. But they can shut their mouths rather than sounding like someone who just read headlines. That is, if they actually don't just read headlines. Any pitcher who throws at them, even if he misses should be thrown out. Umpires have that power. Also Dusty Baker won't keep quiet if he thinks that happens even for a single pitch.
WhiteSteve

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Yeah, I mean, I figure they’re just dudes like anyone else, everybody just reads the headline these days, haha. And people love to get all self-righteous too, so they’re just indulging in that I guess. The Dodgers and maybe the Yankees will probably plug Bregman and Altuve once, that’ll be the end of it. We’re just in spring training right now, there’s just nothing else to talk about, haha.

Answer 2

Twalli

I know why they aren't blasting MLBPA, LOL. But they can shut their mouths rather than sounding like someone who just read headlines. That is, if they actually don't just read headlines. Any pitcher who throws at them, even if he misses should be thrown out. Umpires have that power. Also Dusty Baker won't keep quiet if he thinks that happens even for a single pitch.

Answer 3

WhiteSteve

Yeah, I mean, I figure they’re just dudes like anyone else, everybody just reads the headline these days, haha. And people love to get all self-righteous too, so they’re just indulging in that I guess. The Dodgers and maybe the Yankees will probably plug Bregman and Altuve once, that’ll be the end of it. We’re just in spring training right now, there’s just nothing else to talk about, haha.

Answer 4

Plitty-Tank

Yoda

No idea but the Astros should vacate their 2017 World Series title.

Twalli

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That means that there was no winner in 2017. Nobody can prove that Los Angeles would have won without cheating. It's why the Reds hot the championship in 1919. There was no proof they would have won even if the White Sox didn't throw the games. It can be said that they would have won without cheating. They did win several games in Dodger Stadium to win that. I think Los Angeles was the home team meaning they won at least 1 there, provided they didn't lose any home games.
Plitty-Tank

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Exactly. I can't prove it would have given the Yankees or Dodgers the title but since they cheated, they shouldn't be credited with a title or worthy of calling themselves champs. I don't think their opponent should be the replacement champs. Just a vacated title.

I also don't care about teams losing on purpose as much as cheating just to win or increase their shot at winning. It isn't the Reds fault the White Sox was stupid and money possessed. That Black Sox scandal does seem to taint the Reds title but I wouldn't vacate the Reds title since it was their opponents fault.
Twalli

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So we punish the pitchers who had no part in the scandal by taking away the title they played hard to get. I remember a game where the Astros won 1-0 agaisnt the Yankees. Justin Verlander pitched that entire game. He never stepped up to the plate, but he held an explosive lineup to 0 runs in 9 innings using about 126 pitches. By vacating their title and that game, all of those pitches he threw count for nothing. His ability to shut down that lineup does not matter. I understand your point, but I feel for the pitchers who were, to be honest, among the best in the game (and some still are).
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Plitty-Tank

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Many teams who cheat can add up to 3 runs per game on average. It isn't fair but we can't award cheaters a title. The team sport and not just the pitchers.

Are you an Astros fan or something?
Twalli

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Cardinals actually, but I respect good players
Plitty-Tank

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Dang. I'm a Braves fan. The Cardinals knocked the Braves out last season. Lost the do or die game 5 of the best of 5 division series 13 to 1. Down 10 to 9 before the Braves batted. I'm an Atlanta native.

I bet you were stoic and extremely excited when the Blues final won after 51 years of hockey, eh?
Plitty-Tank

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10 to 0, not 10 to 9
Twalli

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I wou kn d HG ave been more excited if I could see that game on TV. We were in Florida during a thunderstorm when it was televised do all we got was static. I don't really care about The Blues too much though, I am a baseball fan first and foremost.

My religion is baseball, my denomination is Cardinals
Plitty-Tank

1 y
Baseball is my favorite sport too.

Answer 5

Twalli

That means that there was no winner in 2017. Nobody can prove that Los Angeles would have won without cheating. It's why the Reds hot the championship in 1919. There was no proof they would have won even if the White Sox didn't throw the games. It can be said that they would have won without cheating. They did win several games in Dodger Stadium to win that. I think Los Angeles was the home team meaning they won at least 1 there, provided they didn't lose any home games.

Answer 6

Plitty-Tank

Exactly. I can't prove it would have given the Yankees or Dodgers the title but since they cheated, they shouldn't be credited with a title or worthy of calling themselves champs. I don't think their opponent should be the replacement champs. Just a vacated title.

I also don't care about teams losing on purpose as much as cheating just to win or increase their shot at winning. It isn't the Reds fault the White Sox was stupid and money possessed. That Black Sox scandal does seem to taint the Reds title but I wouldn't vacate the Reds title since it was their opponents fault.

Answer 7

Twalli

So we punish the pitchers who had no part in the scandal by taking away the title they played hard to get. I remember a game where the Astros won 1-0 agaisnt the Yankees. Justin Verlander pitched that entire game. He never stepped up to the plate, but he held an explosive lineup to 0 runs in 9 innings using about 126 pitches. By vacating their title and that game, all of those pitches he threw count for nothing. His ability to shut down that lineup does not matter. I understand your point, but I feel for the pitchers who were, to be honest, among the best in the game (and some still are).

Answer 8

Plitty-Tank

Many teams who cheat can add up to 3 runs per game on average. It isn't fair but we can't award cheaters a title. The team sport and not just the pitchers.

Are you an Astros fan or something?

Answer 9

Twalli

Cardinals actually, but I respect good players

Answer 10

Plitty-Tank

Dang. I'm a Braves fan. The Cardinals knocked the Braves out last season. Lost the do or die game 5 of the best of 5 division series 13 to 1. Down 10 to 9 before the Braves batted. I'm an Atlanta native.

I bet you were stoic and extremely excited when the Blues final won after 51 years of hockey, eh?

Answer 11

Plitty-Tank

10 to 0, not 10 to 9

Answer 12

Twalli

I wou kn d HG ave been more excited if I could see that game on TV. We were in Florida during a thunderstorm when it was televised do all we got was static. I don't really care about The Blues too much though, I am a baseball fan first and foremost.

My religion is baseball, my denomination is Cardinals

Answer 13

Plitty-Tank

Baseball is my favorite sport too.

Answer 14

SarahsSummer | 78 opinions shared on Sports topic.

Master

There would be no direct evidence without player testimonies. Concessions had to be made to get the truth.

Answer 15

Thatsamazing

Guru

So change the MLBPA. It doesn't matter if that stands in the way-- it shouldn't.

Answer 16

DeeDeeDeVour | 259 opinions shared on Sports topic.

Master

It's a shame.

Why don't they understand that the MLBPA is the reason why the commissioner couldn't levy any punishment against Astros players for sign stealing?

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