Give me a friggin break!
From what? Historically, kneeling is actually a sign of great respect, and it’s encouraged during a tragedy, just like the flag is carried at half mast during those times. People just have a problem with it now because people are kneeling for something that they disagree with. It has nothing to do with the flag. They just don’t like people protesting at sporting events.
So why did they criticize and demand Tim Tebow stop kneeling? If blacks want to protest they can do it during some other time. It's a slap in the face to all the servicemen and women that gave their lives so we would have the freedom we have.
I don’t have a problem with Tim Tebow. Liberals aren’t a monolith. I don’t know if others have a problem with him. But if they do I can’t tell you why. I barely even know who he is.
And it’s not a slap in the face to anyone. No one is saying that no progress has been made. They’re saying that we’ve made progress, and there’s more that has yet to come. They’re saying progress isn’t done.
And I'm saying it's a racist act and shouldn't be allowed. Kaepernick started this and he did it as a protest against the country that made it possible for him to make millions of $$$. He also refused to put his hand over his heart during the anthem. Even Obama expressed concern that not standing for the national anthem can get in the way of the message: “As a general matter, when it comes to the flag the national anthem and the meaning that holds for our men and women in uniform and those who’ve fought for us — that is a tough thing for them to get past to then hear what his [Kaepernick’s] deeper concerns are.” Malcolm Jenkins, safety for the Philadelphia Eagles, supported Kaepernick’s message but said, “My grandfather served [in the military]. And this is a country that I love. So, me not standing for the national anthem isn’t really going to get me the results that I want.” Kneeling during the national anthem angers many and sows division in our country. Again, find another way to protest but not during the national anthem.
I think we read those two quotes differently. I hear that not as them saying that what Kaepernick does is wrong, but rather as them expressing concern over the way they those who disagree might interpret the action and how they might respond. The focus seems to have more to do with the results and the effectiveness of the action, rather than the morality of it.
Kaepernick is the biggest meathead to ever play professional sports.
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that's the stupidest argument i've ever heard. kneeling means different things in different situatons
@007kingifrit thank you
@Shuri You bring up an interesting point, which I could understand if the "kneelers" meant it in a respectful manner, but they do not. The Kneelers are kneeling as a protest in deliberate opposition to the values of everyone else who stands.
@007kingifrit Where did I say it didn't mean different things in different situations? Pretty sure kneeling to pray and kneeling to mourn aren't the same thing. But they're both done out of respect and humbleness. This was a suggestion by a soldier because kneeling at the grave is a sign of mourning, and Kaepernick decided to kneel because he was sadden by how blacks are treated in America. Name an instance outside of this flag issue (which is not disrespectful) where kneeling is disrespectful in our culture.Don't worry. I'll wait. I definitely have time today.
@KrakenAttackin They're kneeling because of the reason Kaerpernick did. They're sadden by the treatment of minorities (mainly blacks). Is that supposed to be a value in America?
you brought up a bunch of examples that had kneeling in them even though they had nothing to do with the context of the baseball gameso where did you say kneeling didn't mean different things in different contexts? YOUR ENTIRE POST
@Shuri So they are kneeling because blacks kill each other by the bushel every day in America?
You're question was if it is disrespectful, not if it was legal. People have the right to do so, but they need to realize that kneeling for the flag is not an appropriate protest for protesting murders because prosecution of murder is done at the state, not federal, level.
Meant anthem, not flag.
Great minds think alike.
just because it is peaceful doesn't mean it isn't disrespectfultheir cause is evil, their goals are stupid
WTF are they protesting? How blacks have it so hard and they're so oppressed? yeah that's why 70% of the NFL is black and 75% of the NBA is black.
They are disrespecting what the Flag represents. How you can't see that is troubling. If you don't respect this country, you can leave anytime you please. No one's forcing you to be here against your own will
Their peacefully protesting, it has nothing to do with the flag, and their not just protesting for themselves their doing it for others
they don't have goals they aren't protesting for others, they are protesting because they saw it on social media
@007kingifrit your face is stupid and your mom is evil. There's just as much argument there.
before you Antifa and BLM idiots go burning American flags, just remember who has died for our country, People of all races and various backgrounds have fought together in the military. If the flag truly was synonymous with the military then yes it would be disrespectful, but that is not the case. The military does not protect a flag. They protect the people the flag represents, which once again includes the people kneeling.
there is no injustice to specific groups. you are just the victim of false narratives
Don’t tell me wtf I experience.
Oh yeah. Institutional racism is such a problem in this country. Gtfoh
I served too. I was in the Marines. So don't try to tell me how it is
your personal experiences are not proof of a trend
They forget we fought the fascist and communist
Do I smell the funky odor of the racist talking points for the dispicable and un Amarican bile spewing from the disgusting bowels of a deplorable bigot?
Ali was a professional athlete (boxer) that struggled to represent a nation of egalitarian lies that cared Nothing for his culture. Point is, the best of America’s athletes are minorities that get oppressed and there’s one ground that is there’s and that’s there professional grounds to speak up for their oppressed people living under an apartheid regime of ethnocentric brutality
there is no unfair police treatment of minorities. this is why we are angry. you're dumb and don't know how to do research
Just one video, the George floyd video I watched a cop kill a handcuffed citizen over a call for a supposed fake 20 dollar bill. Doesn't matter if he was guilty or innocent he still deserved his due process and a fair trial, but instead he was killed on the street. There are hundreds of other videos like it and thousands of similar scenarios that aren't filmed. If that isn't unfair police treatment, then you and I are not on the same plane of existence.
you can't use a single incident as evidence for a trend
There is no shortage of unarmed black men and women who have been killed by cops. Have you not turned on a TV in the past 10 years? Its a revolving door news story sadly. I think you are choosing to ignore facts that you don't like.Believe me I dont like these facts either they disgust me but it doesn't change that they are true.
aha now we are getting somewhere. yes there is a large trend of NEWS STORIES, but does that mean the event is common? or does it mean the news speicfically props up these events when they happen to MAKE YOU ANGRYangry people make ad revenue. you are being manipulated if a white person shoots a black person there is a 50% chance that story will make national news... if a black person shoots a white person there is a 6% chance of it making the newsthe media MANIPULATES information to create narrativesso what does the real data say?statistical data disproves any claim that black people are killed at higher rates, infact once you adjust for violent crime rate among other things they are underrepresented in police use of lethal force scholar.harvard.edu/.../empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-forcefor those of you who say that the % of blacks stopped and killed is higher than their % of the population this is not a sign of discrimination. Black men commit 52% of all murders www.channel4.com/.../factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime it is inevitable that they need more policing as they do more crime.infact studies show police hesitate longer to shoot black people www.researchgate.net/.../290437363_The_Reverse_Racism_Effect_Are_Cops_More_Hesitant_to_Shoot_Black_Than_White_SuspectsPolls show blacks and whites are equally favorable to their local police www.monmouth.edu/.../
Oh i forgot your one of these people that can just decide which news is fake and which is rewl
no i can't do that. but i can remind you that just because something is commonly viewed doesn't mean its commonthe media makes narratives; the studies i just linked to you disproves the narrativesi bet you didn't even read far enough in my post to see the studies. you're so narrow minded... like the media wants you to be
He'll go down in history for being a total jackass, and sabotaging his career.
Haha!!! You guys are true trump supporters. Everyone else is a Johnny come lately. He did it first and he sacrificed his career.
its cute you're so easily manipulated that you think its "amazing" in reality they are just doing what social media tells them. nothing will change and nobody will make any attempt for actual change. its just so they feel good.they just use you to feel good
@007kingifrit Manipulated? You are a trumpturd, so you can't read. They are not to be celebrated. Because they are not risking anything. Kapaernick risked everything. "Everyone else is a Johnny come lately. He did it first and he sacrificed his career."
if you bothered to do any research you'd know their movement is false and they are protesting for no good reason.
What is the research that's from a reputable and unbiased source that you can give me the information to read it myself and I'll wait for you but I will be waiting forever because it doesn't exist. You are just grossly misinformed about the subject which is freedom of expression and speech.
if they try to walk away and go to the locker room or leave. i'll would take that as them quitting them team.
why do say america hasn't earn its respect
and free to riot and kill people and burn down cities?
If you say so girl
@888theGreat kill people, no. But riot. It is the duty of the people to protest injustice. I believe it was Dr. King who once said that “a riot is the language of the unheard”. Black people have been protesting for centuries, and we’ve gone unheard. And before you even begin to say that riots are unnecessary, ineffective, or simply “the wrong way to protest” perhaps you should google some riots through history that produced massive change for the better.
MLK never had a riot and he was for marches , not riots
I have a question for u about this may we talk
@Cherokeehp do you think we as a people are oppress and if so how?
@jasco Yep. Here’s just a few reasons why. Black people are more likely to get arrested and higher sentences for the same exact crimes as white perpetrators. Black people are less likely to get approved for bank loans, even if they have good credit and finances. Recently laws just had to be put in place to stop work places from discriminating against black people’s natural hair. Black people are murdered by police at much higher rates. Black people are less likely to get prescribed pain medications for the same medical conditions as white people. Black mothers are more likely to die in childbirth. Black people still getting discriminated against in the justice system, in the medical field, in the workplace, and more. You can google and fact check everything I just said.
how does childbirth have anything to do with oppression tho? Black people commit more crimes then any other race in america as of now so ofc they do. As for everything else u said i can't say ur wrong or right sense i don't know
@jasco Black women are more likely to die in childbirth because they don’t get the same level of care as white mothers. Many people in the medical field believe that black people have a higher pain tolerance (which is false). So a lot of doctors don’t take black patients seriously when they complain of pain and ignore life threatening issues. Google it. Read up on it. Black women are 4 times more likely to die in childbirth than white women. I’m not sure if black people actually do commit more crime. I’ve seen statistics saying opposite things about that. But high crime rates correlate with lack of education and opportunities and poverty. Black schools are typically underfunded and can’t provide black children with the skills and opportunities they need to find a good job. When you can’t get a good job then your options are to either work a bunch of dead end jobs, or turn to crime.
i have been to black public schools and white public schools there about the same in terms of education so i dont think funding has anything to do with it more like the type of education is and how we teach them, here in GA crime for black people is higher not sure about any other state, there are quite a few jobs out there for people who have a highschool education so in short there are plenty of places that people can work for so crime shouldn't be a option
@jasco I’ve been to black schools and I’ve been to white schools, and I can tell you for sure that it’s a drastic difference here. I spent my first two years of high school at a white school, and my last two years at a black school. Students regularly sold drugs, brought guns, had sex, and started all out brawls in my black high school. There weren’t always enough textbooks, the teachers were underpaid and so they didn’t give a shit, there weren’t many extracurricular options, and ultimately I learned absolutely nothing. The white school I went to had laptops and iPads, the teachers actually cared, we actually had access to books, we actually had a library, they had all sorts of extracurricular activities, they had college and career fairs. Education is important. And even though there are jobs for people with just a high school education, they’re typically shitty low paying dead end jobs.
mm ok then well can we be friends i like to learn more this if ur willing
@jasco Sure. But you realize that you can just google all this.
i have and i don't quite believe so i wanna learn from someone who has experience as well
@jasco you don’t believe google?
There are lot of different types of information on google lots of different answers not all of them say the same thing
@jasco so you should read them and form your own opinions using logic.
I have and i dont believe we are oppressed which is why i came here to see what everyone else has said
I don't think people fully understand or even know all of the star spangled banner. If we talk about history let's start with the WHOLE star spangled banner and not the version that is presented at all sporting events.
@AffectionKing I agree.
@888theGreat Protesting. The United States was born in protest.
@coffeewithcream Liberals protests mean looting and riots. Conservatives don't protest , but if they did they wouldn't destroy cities.
@888theGreat Boy, the great US would not even have been built in 1776 if it weren't for protest which later ked the colonys to war & boom this country was MADE oh and those protest were very violent which why the revolution started, so maybe you should read a book during the segregation era when they finally decided to mix blacks into white schools they had to deploy the US Army, do you know why cause y'all white folks were out there looting, wanting to murder children, fighting and holding guns and murder baby black dolls for little black children wanting a education, and you know all the colors of those people were white and were they stopped? Nope, The Vietnam War protest git wild outside the white house most of it was hippy white people not black. So again this country is allowed to have dirty protest because that's how it's created also our own politician's will push for these type of protest in other's countries and when countries like China or Iran condemn it we call it wrong and violation of human rights but yet people like you are so ready to condemn it, but you can't change it because that's how the US was made, you don't like it leave this country
@Fuentes The democrats used Abortion to try to kill out the Black population , not Conservatives
@888theGreat who says im into politics? Who says i even vote? Lol all i see is a man whose ignorant on subjects he speaks on & can't refute me because it's the truth so pick up a book & learn
@Fuentes You don't become a billionaire being stupid , if so , you would be a billionaire
@888theGreat yeah i have no idea about what riddles or morse codes your throwing at me right now
They are also insulting people who died for this country. If it wasn’t for the brave men who joined the military in WW2 we might all be speaking Japanese or German right now.
There has been politics in sports forever. It is nothing new
@NorthwestRider it really was never too prominent in sports until the last maybe 10 years or so but it wasn't heavily added until the last 4 years I feel. I don't think politics and sports mix well
Ever heard of the 1980 Summer Olympics boycott because the Olympics that year was held in USSR and the 1984 Summer Olympics boycott where USSR and its allies boycott because it was held in Los Angeles? Also in the 1968 Summer Olympics where the gold and bronze medalists in the men's 200-meter race did the black power salute?
@NorthwestRider yeah you're talking about totally separate situations that happened years apart and a a lot more extreme then what I'm talking about. I'm saying having people in ESPN and any other sports channel talking 50% sports and 50% politics. You took it to another level
Lol you can't face the fact that there has always been politics in sports. Plus until like 10 years ago, they did not play the National Anthem at NFL Games
Plus athletes have the right to protest
@NorthwestRider well my point flew over your head since you're arguing and I'm just stating my opinion that politics and sports don't mix well. Plus you kinda helped my point by pointing out those incidents that happened because of politics...
Lol you said that politics and sport started mixing like 10 years ago while what I was talking about was way more than 10 years ago
@NorthwestRider is still correct. Politics and Sports have always been hand in hand because aside from celebrities, and royalty, there are few more visible persons in the world than athletes. And athletes being human beings who also seek human rights, they have always been bastians for political causes and human rights. Just an FYI, ESPN came into being in 1979, before the infamous Olympics, and believe you me, they were discussing this all day and night like all the other news stations. I get that you personally don't want politics/sports to be intertwined because sports is an escape for you, but this is hardly the first time the two subjects have merged, and not only merged, but countless athletes have used their platforms to make REAL change that has affected not only athletes lives, but the fight for human rights altogether. Another recent quick example, the US female Olympics team. I personally don't think it's fair to ask someone to just step aside and not fight for their human rights because it makes a few people uncomfortable, especially if it is being done in a peaceful manner before games even start because who deserves to be treated fairly....just a few?
Well according to your logic, you libtards are biggest Nazis on the face of the planet. Everytime Trump opens his mouth y'all are some whiney bitches.
... and y'all just got blocked. Congrats, dumbfuck.
Saying "Only Nazi's complain about freedom of expression" and then blocking people who do so is an unbelievably heroic act of hypocrisy
@supercutebutt People who oppose free speech are Nazis. Also, @Yep12345678 you're blocked for expressing dissent. Lol!
So that means leftists and SJWs are nazis. I always knew that!
Yeah “freedom of expression” only exists when it’s about YOUR expression.
What an incredibly ignorant thing to say! And don't worry about blocking me as I just blocked you!
That comment was to supercutebutt!
@stuntbrain Hey dicklick, I blocked the asshat for not conforming with GAG guidelines. You don't believe in law and order? That figures, you filthy hypocrite.
Don’t you dare combine ANTIFA and Black Lives Matter!ANTIFA is the *enemy* of Black Lives Matter!Using a peaceful protest by Black Lives Matter into high-grade anarchy and rioting, knowing people will automatically blame Black Lives Matter?That is *not* what an “ally” does.
“Don’t you dare combine Anqueefa and The inherently racist Black Lives Matter” well I just did.You back eachother, and you know it. You’re movement has been hijacked by Antifa and Biden’s campaign for political leverage. And honestly BLM is a disgrace to society, they promote Racism, Anti white sentiment and Anti Police sentiment, including them encouraging the killings of officers (which has happened more in the riots and BLM protests)
One day BLM will be dismantled and Antifa too.
yes it is disrespect, its also a fake movement with no legitimate goals or complaints
@007kingifrit Thank you for that intense counter point you have swayed meDOWN WITH KNEES!
you don't understand how important this is. people are dying because of this false narrative that police are being brutal. they aren't
Fuck no it is not disrespectful, this is America they have the right to protest
What is they're protesting? The millions of dollars they make? 😂😂 OK 👌you're right they have that freedom but that wasn't the question.
Why you right wingers are soo clueless lolHow is sucking Trump's dick 24/7 lol
when someone disagrees with your own opinion, you start crying about it. I understand that people have different opinions, that's what makes the world go round. But liberals whine and need to try and force people to think as stupidly as they do. 😅 Good luck with that
You started by saying "They are ridiculous" & then mocked their protest. Sorry if they value change over respecting their country but you don't have to call them ridiculous.
don't be dumb, don't ignore context, kneeling in this context is never disrespectful
@007kingifrit I mean that's what I just said.
you didn't answer the question. nobody is questioning their right it was asked if it was respectful or not
@007kingifrit?I did. He asked if it was disrespectful, I said "nope". Nice try though.
your follow up after the nope is "its peaceful" this implies you are responding to the question of "is it violent"either that or you are offering the explanation of it being peaceful as an explanation of why it is respectful. either way your answer does not make sense
@007kingifrit I answered the question with "nope", Then proceeded to explain why I thought so. Again, nice try 🥱Just because you yourself are unable to comprehend something, doesn't mean it makes no sense. You must be awfully bored. Have fun trolling, hun.
see now you and i are saying the same thing. you answer nope and then your explanation of "it was peaceful" doesn't make sense. its axiomatically impossiblepeaceful and respectful are not on the same axis
@007kingifrit Nobody said that peaceful and respectful were the same thing. Go take a nap.
... it is disrespectful. and you have no counterargument
@007kingifrit You didn't exactly add an argument as to why it's disrespectful, either.It is not disrespectful to me because they are not making noise, they are not attacting attention beyond that of kneeling. Some people kneel as a sign of fealty or honor. If they must protest, I find kneeling to be one of the most respectful ways of doing so.Sadly, most people who enjoy sports seem to have one view for the world, and refuse to accept that people may want to live differently than they do.
kneeling in this context is NEVER a sign of respect. don't be dumb. don't try and compare it to other forms of kneeling. this isn't medieval timesits designed to get attention for a bad cause
@007kingifrit well, it certainly gained your ire, yet you don't say how it's disrespectful. How is a quiet representation disrespectful? Do we declare them to be like the one man who didn't raise his hand to hail Hitler, claiming that was disrespectful? No. They respectfully disagree by taking a knee. It's a simple, clear gesture.You, however, try to browbeat someone who disagrees with you by implying them to be "dumb" and that kneeling is. medieval in nature. I wonder what so many churchgoers would say to your ideas regarding kneeling.They are not shouting, rioting, threatening, berating, or assaulting. They are kneeling peacefully for their reason. That is legal, as it is a form of peaceful protest. It can not be disrespectful as they are not showing any disrespect other than silently kneeling. You simply dislike it, and disagree, but instead of debating logically, you stamp your feet and assume I have no counterargument while providing nothing beyond your narrow view that it's wrong.Would you prefer these people kneel in front of your house, or would that offend you enough to assault them?
They have nothing to protest
Instead of being judgmental, why not ask what these players are protesting for?by the way they are protesting against the over-policing of black American. Statistics or not, police should not pre-emptive in any way unless a black citizen unless the situation calls for it.
I understand what they are protesting. Still doesn't change the fact there's no foundation behind it. Here's a little fun fact for you, white people have deadly encounters with the police too, it's not just black people. The reason you never hear about it is because there's nothing to be gained from it politically. Is it true certain types of black people get targeted by the police more? Yes. However it has mostly to do with how they carry themselves, not the color of their skin. If you walk around like a bad dude presenting a thug image, police are gonna mess with you, regardless of skin color. If you come across as an honest, hard working man, they will leave you alone for the most part.
I should not have to dress a certain way to avoid being unnecessarily stopped and frisked by cops. Period.The idea of not dressing a certain way like you described, is the racist idea of conforming to a white standard.
That's where you're wrong, sir. I never said anything about dressing, I said the way you CARRY yourself
Even if I do have an urban swagger to how I walk and carry myself, that’s no reason for a police officer to use excessive force on me (or any other black citizen) without due cause.The idea of someone having to “carry myself in a certain way” to avoid excessive force used on the cops, is instilling a cultural (white) standard, and/or suppressing one culture because it doesn’t fit a (white) norm.I can be dressed as urban or thuggish as I want and ‘carry myself’ in any manner I please, and if I’m not causing a threat, a police officer cannot be physical with me if I am stopped or inquired about, if I don’t give a reason to do so... and my clothes or “how I carry myself” is NOT a valid reason.
lol i like that you said "statistics or not" to preempt people from showing you data that there is NOT a trend of police over policing black peopleblack people WANT the police in there
More as if I’m sensible enough to understand, that a corrupt person in a position of power is not going to accurately document his/her wrongdoings.No documentation = that instance won’t show up in statistical analysis.So there will be no obvious statistical red flag.The testimony of the people in question (in this case, black American that are law-abiding citizens) is what you go by. Why don’t you believe this testimony?